w00t iMac for me!!! [Archive]

Redrazor39

May 21st, 2008, 08:42 PM

We just got a 24" iMac! It's so awesome! I love OS X and all the cool apps that come with it!

Ubuntu... well, I really don't want to sound harsh, but I almost have to. Now Ubuntu looks like a cheap rip off of the real OS X. It's free and free license and all, but still. I think once the apps that come with it all start to reach v. 1.0 then it will be much better.

OS X > Ubuntu > Windows

But Ubuntu is the fastest growing, which will put it on top by 2010 or something.

Still love the mac :)

MONODA

May 24th, 2008, 02:52 AM

cool, hope you dont leave linux though. I have tried OS X but really couldnt ever stick with it, it felt too crippled and bloated for my liking. I am addicted to openbox and arch :P
I think once the apps that come with it all start to reach v. 1.0 then it will be much better.
+1000000 (especially in ubuntu specifically

Fatec

May 24th, 2008, 09:59 AM

cool, hope you dont leave linux though. I have tried OS X but really couldnt ever stick with it, it felt too crippled and bloated for my liking. I am addicted to openbox and arch :P

+1000000 (especially in ubuntu specifically

Bloated? OSX (leopard) is fast as hell, practically all apps load instantly, boot up is faster than both vista and linux (at least for me), the gui is very very nice, nothing looks out of place.

If anything linux is bloated as it's always slower than both windows and mac OSX ;)

Redrazor39

May 24th, 2008, 12:18 PM

MONODA

May 24th, 2008, 04:09 PM

Fatec

May 24th, 2008, 04:33 PM

actually, I ran leopard on a macbook with 1 gig ram and 2.16 ghz core 2 duo and it was annoyingly slow. Not too slow but just annoying. it ran MUCH better in tiger which I downgraded to and think it great.

I've tried leopard on lower specs and its very fast :confused:

I guess you tried it at launch when some of the bugs werent ironed out...

RiceMonster

May 24th, 2008, 04:37 PM

I just made a song in GarageBand. I couldn't believe how easy and fun it was. We should have that and much more in a year or so.

Yeah, that's such a good application. It's the only thing I use with the iMac in my house for, and it's the only thing I like about Mac.

hanzomon4

May 24th, 2008, 10:57 PM

I want to get one for my family. I really like the iMac hardware and osX is really nice. But I know I'd end up setting up a small linux partition.

hellion0

May 25th, 2008, 04:20 AM

I have two Macs (a G4 Power Mac and a G3 iBook), and I do like them. More than Linux, though... no. There are some things I can do on Linux that I can't do on OSX. That's why I use both.

Enjoy the experience, but don't give up on Linux. Remember that it doesn't have to be a cheap ripoff of OSX, by your words... it can in fact be so much more.

MONODA

May 25th, 2008, 04:38 AM

I've tried leopard on lower specs and its very fast

I guess you tried it at launch when some of the bugs werent ironed out...
really? that is good to know. I tried it in feb.

karellen

May 25th, 2008, 07:30 AM

and how much did you pay for your PC?

Alfa989

May 25th, 2008, 07:59 AM

and how much did you pay for your PC?
You mean for his Mac? :lolflag:

karellen

May 25th, 2008, 09:30 AM

You mean for his Mac? :lolflag:

:) "Mac" be it, for the sake of semantic convenience

handy

May 25th, 2008, 09:55 AM

I run Leopard in a 25Gb partition & have the rest of the drive partitioned & setup for Arch, running Openbox.

I find Arch to be much faster than Leopard & Ubuntu (when it was installed) on my 24" alu' iMac.

I find Leopard to be a superficial OS compared to Linux & especially Arch.

Leopard, currently has better ATI graphics drivers, so it allows me to play GW via Crossover Games, which I can't do on the Linux drivers. The video playback is smoother in Leopard, again due to ATI's poor Linux drivers. Leopard has better sound than Linux & the BSD's due to ALSA's development still having a way to go.

The most important thing that my iMac needs is for ATI to fix their Linux drivers. Apart from that the iMac & Arch really rock... :guitar:

Fatec

May 25th, 2008, 11:13 AM

and how much did you pay for your PC?

If your talking to me.

I have leopard running on

AMD X2 4600+ Dual Core (Skt 939, nearly 5 years old!)
2GB DDR
Nvidia 7600GT Pci-E
Asus A8N-E (with crap nforce setup)
1x250gb, 5x500gb

It flies and i only use 1 core because of the ethernet driver crashin if i use 2 for some reason :confused:

Still very fast though, was fast enough on my old amd 3200+ (single core)

Ubuntu has been slow no matter what sort of hardware setup i've run it on, i'm not the only one to notice this as well.

Then there is gnome, which has god awful slow gui drawing, it's also slow in general as well, those why say it aint must be the ones who had XP in with hundreds of spyware/virus's and way too many useless apps on ;)

Even vista is faster than ubuntu...and that is the most bloated useless thing i've ever had to use!

Sure, it's the easiest distro about, but that's no use to you if you like ur speed.

billgoldberg

May 27th, 2008, 10:20 AM

Lol. I'll keep Ubuntu. it's just fun to watch how amazingly fast the progress is in comparison to proprietary software. Right now, Mac OS X > Ubuntu > Windows Vista > XP.

We can fix this; we just need to declutter, reorganize, and revamp the look of our system. Then, OS X will have nothing on us except cool apps, which are coming anyway. Other parties are making their apps really cool. I just made a song in GarageBand. I couldn't believe how easy and fun it was. We should have that and much more in a year or so.

All we need is this organization and speed almost comes itself.

That's your vision

for me its

ubuntu > vista > xp > OSX

How can ubuntu be a cheap rip off of osx?

OSX ripped most of their base code from BSD without giving proper credit, ubuntu is gnu/linux.

Plus OSX has even more vendor-locking and restrictions (drm in kernel, ...) than vista. That alone makes OSX deserve the last place.

I would even use solaris before osx.

Dixon Bainbridge

May 27th, 2008, 10:30 AM

Bloated? OSX (leopard) is fast as hell, practically all apps load instantly, boot up is faster than both vista and linux (at least for me), the gui is very very nice, nothing looks out of place.

If anything linux is bloated as it's always slower than both windows and mac OSX ;)

You must have an uber-Mac then, cos my macbook runs like a one legged dog. I hate the way OS X boots to desktop before all the background stuff has finished loading. All it does is give the impression its booted faster, but you still have to wait 30 seconds when you click on an app to open it while it grinds away doing background stuff. If you think OSX is faster than XP or linux then you've obviously never had to do anything process and memory heavy on it. Try batch processing 500 images in lightroom on a mac. May as well go to bed and get up in the morning. Lightroom running on XP with half the spec is much quicker, and I know it is because I've timed it. OS X v my slackware install on batch processing mp3 files - no contest. :)

Yeah, it looks pretty. Gives you something to stare at while it struggles to open that 4th app you need in the background. :)

Alfa989

May 27th, 2008, 11:02 AM

Try batch processing 500 images in lightroom on a mac. May as well go to bed and get up in the morning. Lightroom running on XP with half the spec is much quicker, and I know it is because I've timed it.

How old is XP? And how old is Leopard?

Alfa989

May 27th, 2008, 11:28 AM

for me its

ubuntu > vista > xp > OSX

How can ubuntu be a cheap rip off of osx?

OSX ripped most of their base code from BSD without giving proper credit, ubuntu is gnu/linux.

Plus OSX has even more vendor-locking and restrictions (drm in kernel, ...) than vista. That alone makes OSX deserve the last place.

I would even use solaris before osx.
Well, my opinion is that the most popular Linux GUIs were developed by putting the Window's GUI in a box, shaking it, and adding some glue. :D I mean, they just look and behave like windows... :(

So now, according to you, open-source projects are rip offs? :confused:

What DRM in kernel are you talking about? :confused:

LaRoza

May 27th, 2008, 04:25 PM

Well, my opinion is that the most popular Linux GUIs were developed by putting the Window's GUI in a box, shaking it, and adding some glue. :D I mean, they just look and behave like windows... :(

So now, according to you, open-source projects are rip offs? :confused:

The current Windows windows behavior was stolen from Mac OS (see lawsuit). Before that, windows didn't overlap in a confusing manner, but people have grown used to that, all because of Mac OS and Windows.

A real window manager like wmii and friends is much better than GNOME, KDE, Xfce, Windows, OS X. They are all just the same old non intuitive layouts.

Alfa989

May 27th, 2008, 06:12 PM

The current Windows windows behavior was stolen from Mac OS (see lawsuit). Before that, windows didn't overlap in a confusing manner, but people have grown used to that, all because of Mac OS and Windows.

A real window manager like wmii and friends is much better than GNOME, KDE, Xfce, Windows, OS X. They are all just the same old non intuitive layouts.

After looking through Wikipedia and some other webpages, I don't see what benefits can a tiling window manager have. I mean, the ones that use stacking do not really get confusing if they are well-designed...

And... I think that a tiling wm could make sense if you have a 17" screen on so, but on my 12" lappy... There's just not enough space there... :S

I find them very space-wasting really...

So what are your views on the subject?

LaRoza

May 27th, 2008, 07:07 PM

After looking through Wikipedia and some other webpages, I don't see what benefits can a tiling window manager have. I mean, the ones that use stacking do not really get confusing if they are well-designed...

And... I think that a tiling wm could make sense if you have a 17" screen on so, but on my 12" lappy... There's just not enough space there... :S

I find them very space-wasting really...

So what are your views on the subject?

You will have to use it to know ;)

I find GNOME/KDE/Windows and the like to be a pain. It makes me very frusterated to use such WM's.

It would be best for your 12" laptop. No annoying panels or toolbars taking up space doing nothing. You don't have to worry about minimized windows so you'll get the full benefit of the screen. Think about it, how many times do you need more than one app visible? (wmii can do that also, if one wishes, but most of the time, you need one app visible, and easy access to others.)

Most screenshots of wmii and such show a bunch of windows open at once with the same tag. In practice, you end up using only one per tag for most things.

Alfa989

May 27th, 2008, 08:10 PM

You will have to use it to know ;)

I find GNOME/KDE/Windows and the like to be a pain. It makes me very frusterated to use such WM's.

It would be best for your 12" laptop. No annoying panels or toolbars taking up space doing nothing. You don't have to worry about minimized windows so you'll get the full benefit of the screen. Think about it, how many times do you need more than one app visible? (wmii can do that also, if one wishes, but most of the time, you need one app visible, and easy access to others.)

Most screenshots of wmii and such show a bunch of windows open at once with the same tag. In practice, you end up using only one per tag for most things.

Mmm, sounds interesting... I have to try it... :D Any good wmiilivecddistro that runs on PowerPC machines preferably? :D (My PC is broken right now)

Btw... I actually always have Adium (IM) sitting on the upper left corner of the screen, wouldn't that be a problem regarding screen real estate? :-k

LaRoza

May 27th, 2008, 11:08 PM

Mmm, sounds interesting... I have to try it... :D Any good wmiilivecddistro that runs on PowerPC machines preferably? :D (My PC is broken right now)

Btw... I actually always have Adium (IM) sitting on the upper left corner of the screen, wouldn't that be a problem regarding screen real estate? :-k

There are no panels, so I don't know how that would work. I use finch for IM and a lot of terminal apps.

It is easily installed on Ubuntu (in the repos, chose it at login)

Fatec

May 28th, 2008, 12:21 AM

You must have an uber-Mac then, cos my macbook runs like a one legged dog. I hate the way OS X boots to desktop before all the background stuff has finished loading. All it does is give the impression its booted faster, but you still have to wait 30 seconds when you click on an app to open it while it grinds away doing background stuff. If you think OSX is faster than XP or linux then you've obviously never had to do anything process and memory heavy on it. Try batch processing 500 images in lightroom on a mac. May as well go to bed and get up in the morning. Lightroom running on XP with half the spec is much quicker, and I know it is because I've timed it. OS X v my slackware install on batch processing mp3 files - no contest. :)

Yeah, it looks pretty. Gives you something to stare at while it struggles to open that 4th app you need in the background. :)

-rolls eyes- stop spreading fud, the desktop loads fast without having to wait for anything to load in the background..and i only have to wait a max of 1-2 seconds at first start up, so please, quit being a liar.

Yes i have, my work environment requires it, XP is ok for heavy work (very much so if you have the right specs) as is leopard, heavy work in vista cripples it to the point its nasty however.

Linux is not useful for heavy work environments, as noted before it cripples when just extracting a large file to a drive while also watching a dvd from said drive, youcall that useful? i've seen it on various setups using various distros, you dont have these problems in XP, Leopard or indeed vista.

There you go with the lies again, right now i have 11 apps open and just opened 1 more...and what do you know, opened within a second and thats with a video encoding.

Oh but of course, i bet your linux loads everything instantly :lolflag:

karellen

May 28th, 2008, 02:10 AM

I don't know how fast or how slow is Mac OS X because I haven't used it yet, but I definitely don't find Linux to be slow. in fact the distro I'm using right now (Mandriva) boots faster and it's snappier than Vista, on the same specs

frodon

May 28th, 2008, 03:39 AM

@Fatec, please try to find a more appropriate and polite way to post please, this thread has been pleasant till now so lets not turn this into flame wars.

This is a gentle reminder.

stream303

May 30th, 2008, 02:30 PM

I'd be interested to see how well Leopard does in the X11 department.

With Tiger, when I feel like getting back to my roots, I'll fire up X11 in full window mode, and even though I can use aqua as the window manager, sometimes I'll write a custom .xinitrc and use twm for that retro-feeling. :) Ah, the joys of xterm, xcalc, xeyes, etc.

I have to admit that even though I prefer to use Linux on my Apples, it was very nice to be able to fire up an OSX terminal, and use bash/csh/ksh shells, vim, nano, emacs, etc - even emulate a non-OSX like environment with full-screen X11 if you want.

Has anyone tried the fullscreen X11 in Leopard and liked it?

Fatec

May 30th, 2008, 08:01 PM

@Fatec, please try to find a more appropriate and polite way to post please, this thread has been pleasant till now so lets not turn this into flame wars.

This is a gentle reminder.

Please, so you have no problem with linux fanboys posting garbage?

Yet say one little bit of trouble about their precious linux distro and they snap:confused:

LaRoza

May 30th, 2008, 08:33 PM

Please, so you have no problem with linux fanboys posting garbage?

Yet say one little bit of trouble about their precious linux distro and they snap:confused:

How do you know what frodon does with other people?

This is a Linux forum and there will be a small bias in favour of Linux and free software.

If you see flamebait, report it. If you see something technically wrong, give the correct information so that person knows.