A question for users using both OSX and Ubuntu

[Gerontius]

Which one runs smoother on same hardware?

[brigux]

New Hardware - OSX
Old hardware - Ubuntu when OSX really can't do and if Classic system does not answer your needs.

[Alfa989]

I agree with brigux :)

[andrewjoy]

as do i

[stream303]

Which one runs smoother on same hardware?

It depends on what your needs are. I don't need the OSX desktop, so a pure Ubuntu install works just fine. For those rare occasions that I need OSX, I have it on an external firewire drive that I can boot from, which is getting rarer and rarer for me.

[hanzomon4]

On a Macbook pro, OS X.... but really. On an old Dell Ubuntu, but OS X "can't" run on my Dell so. It's hard to say which is better, I really like both.

[Gerontius]

the thing is: i'll be building a new computer pretty soon, and i'll carefully choose the components to make it "hackintosh ready". of course, i'll make sure that everything is ubuntu compatible out of the box.

i'll probably go for C2D E8400 or Q6700, Asus P5K Deluxe WiFi motherboard and MSI GF8800GT video card

[Apple Ink]

You are better off with Q6700 but well obviously E8400 is preferred for its features and future-proof index!

Running OS X on a non-Apple is not recommended due to driver support issues (and you wont believe how unstable OS X can get without proper drivers, even worse than a windows version could ever get).

But if you still want to, I guess the OSx86 project will suite you fine!

BTW, the new iMacs are worth looking at!

Do message me if you get something and manage to run OS X!

P.S.: OS X is gorgeous and stable, runs out of the box(Apple Hrdwr) but is sealed and you really cant do much to tweak it to your liking!
Ubuntu is open source, you can do whatever you want!

[hanzomon4]

If you really want to use OS X you'd best get a Mac. It's easier to get Ubuntu on a Mac then OS X on a PC

[Gerontius]

yeah... but here in croatia (rest of europe as well) apple hardware is way overpriced
for example imac 24" is $2200 in the USA, but in croatia it costs $3400 - equally spec'd PC costs approx $1600 here in croatia

i'd just like to try OSX, not use it on a regular basis... i'm perfectly happy with Ubuntu as is :)

[Apple Ink]

You Know. Ebay US is a good place to find competetive prices and good shipping costs!
And then Apple has a WorldWide warranty. Just register your product on their site and no bills required!

[Incense]

Which one runs smoother on same hardware?

It really depends on what you are running it on. In my experience, OSX and Linux both run really well on the newer intel based Macs. If you have a PPC Mac, then I wouldn't bother too much with Linux. There is no Flash support, and some programs you use may not be ported to PPC Linux. (That being said, I run PPC Dapper on a G4 mac mini as a music and file server, and it works great!) Overall though, I would say that OSX runs better on the Mac since everything is supported right out of the box. It was after all, designed to run on that machine.

[Fatec]

If you really want to use OS X you'd best get a Mac. It's easier to get Ubuntu on a Mac then OS X on a PC

Yes because popping the custom made dvd into the drive and watching it install on your amd/intel setup..asking you if u want the drivers etc is so hard right? :P

I'm truely amazed at just how fast leopard is on my setup.

beats ubuntu in every single aspect.

[Incense]

Yes because popping the custom made dvd into the drive and watching it install on your amd/intel setup..asking you if u want the drivers etc is so hard right? :P

I'm truely amazed at just how fast leopard is on my setup.

beats ubuntu in every single aspect.

If you could just walk into the apple store, or some big box store and obtain said DVD, then it would be different. You can't do that though. You have to steal a modified version of the OS to make it work on your hardware. There is also no assurance that it will still function after the next software update. Just buy a mac if you want to run OS X. Mini's are cheap, and they work well.

[3rdalbum]

Mini's are cheap, and they work well.

USB 3 is coming out later this year.

[handy]

Yes because popping the custom made dvd into the drive and watching it install on your amd/intel setup..asking you if u want the drivers etc is so hard right? :P

I'm truely amazed at just how fast leopard is on my setup.

beats ubuntu in every single aspect.

Arch is a great deal faster than both Ubuntu was & Leopard is, on my iMac.

[Fatec]

If you could just walk into the apple store, or some big box store and obtain said DVD, then it would be different. You can't do that though. You have to steal a modified version of the OS to make it work on your hardware. There is also no assurance that it will still function after the next software update. Just buy a mac if you want to run OS X. Mini's are cheap, and they work well.

Cheap? yea, sure, if you like being ripped off.

Err, all the new OSX86 projects work fine with software updates now....

And leopard runs fine on most hardware (with the odd 1 or 2 drivers needed)

Runs nice and fast here, same cant be said about ubuntu.

Even if i could just go into an apple store and buy said dvd to use on here, i wouldnt, because everything apple is overpriced.

[Fatec]

Arch is a great deal faster than both Ubuntu was & Leopard is, on my iMac.

I've tried arch, and while your right, it is amazingly fast, even that doesnt have every single app load pretty much instantly.

[stream303]

i'd just like to try OSX, not use it on a regular basis... i'm perfectly happy with Ubuntu as is :)

If that's the case, I don't see the need for OSX unless you absolutely love their hardware and software.

When I run OSX on my iMac, I tend not to use much apple-proprietary software - that is I use Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird, VLC, and hang out in the commandline with the terminal in either the bash/tcsh/ksh shells. Occasionally I'll fire up X11 and use Gimp or even Openoffice.

With Linux / BSD providing mostly the same environment for me, the actual hardware in use is an abstraction.

YMMV. :)

[handy]

I've tried arch, and while your right, it is amazingly fast, even that doesnt have every single app load pretty much instantly.

So?

Your point is?

[Fatec]

So?

Your point is?

So, it's not as good or as fast as leopard then, is it :confused::lolflag:

Speed is important to some of us.

[Alfa989]

yeah... but here in croatia (rest of europe as well) apple hardware is way overpriced
for example imac 24" is $2200 in the USA, but in croatia it costs $3400 - equally spec'd PC costs approx $1600 here in croatia
You can't get an all-in-one PC with the same specs as an iMac for less money. Anywhere you look.

[Alfa989]

Cheap? yea, sure, if you like being ripped off.
The mini beats any PC in terms of size, build quality and software.
Err, all the new OSX86 projects work fine with software updates now...
Really? Dunno, as I haven't check it out...
And leopard runs fine on most hardware (with the odd 1 or 2 drivers needed)
Yh, but you have to search for the drivers, solve problems yourself, have no support... OSX86 is just an experiment, it can be used for serious work, for example.
Even if i could just go into an apple store and buy said dvd to use on here, i wouldnt, because everything apple is overpriced.
Just because you say so? If you think Mac OS X selling for 120$ is a scam then you must have not used nor have any idea about OS X.

[Fatec]

The mini beats any PC in terms of size, build quality and software.


I agree, it's just the better setups which apple overprice.


Really? Dunno, as I haven't check it out...



Yh, but you have to search for the drivers, solve problems yourself, have no support... OSX86 is just an experiment, it can be used for serious work, for example.


99% Of drivers now come with the modified ISO's.

I'm sure you meant to say cant be used for serious work, but i assure you it can, i do html, flash, code and design in leopard just fine, not had 1 single crash, same cant be said for ubuntu however.


Just because you say so? If you think Mac OS X selling for 120$ is a scam then you must have not used nor have any idea about OS X.

No, i meant i wouldnt go and buy the dvd because of the fact they overprice some of their products, it's unfair to their user base.

I work with OSX, BSD, Linux and XP/Vista on a daily basis (i work for a network planning department)

I know full well the advantages of certain operating systems tne hte price to justify the OS, for instance linux is free and you can see why if you actually want to use it for multi tasking.

I have no problem with OSX being $120 per say, as above it's more of a thing of i wont cough up that sort of a money who screws their own users over.

[Alfa989]

I agree, it's just the better setups which apple overprice.
I think that only the MacBook (and maybe ever the MacBook Pro) is overpriced. I mean, the other models just have no competitors in the PC world... :-k

99% Of drivers now come with the modified ISO's.

I'm sure you meant to say cant be used for serious work, but i assure you it can, i do html, flash, code and design in leopard just fine, not had 1 single crash, same cant be said for ubuntu however.
Yeah, I meant can't, sorry... :D And I was talking that, if your job is done on a Mac, you can't afford to run OSX86 on a PC... :)


No, i meant i wouldnt go and buy the dvd because of the fact they overprice some of their products, it's unfair to their user base.

I work with OSX, BSD, Linux and XP/Vista on a daily basis (i work for a network planning department)

I know full well the advantages of certain operating systems tne hte price to justify the OS, for instance linux is free and you can see why if you actually want to use it for multi tasking.

I have no problem with OSX being $120 per say, as above it's more of a thing of i wont cough up that sort of a money who screws their own users over.
So if a company has 1 (example) overpriced product, does that mean we shouldn't buy any of them?

And I don't see how Apple's "screwing their users over"... :-k

[Fatec]

I think that only the MacBook (and maybe ever the MacBook Pro) is overpriced. I mean, the other models just have no competitors in the PC world... :-k


I suppose, but still personally i wouldnt spend say 3k on a mac pro when i can build the same (roughly) hardware wise for around 1k, i know the design is very elegant but it's just not worth it.


Yeah, I meant can't, sorry... :D And I was talking that, if your job is done on a Mac, you can't afford to run OSX86 on a PC... :)


Pfft, i have no comment :lolflag:


So if a company has 1 (example) overpriced product, does that mean we shouldn't buy any of them?

And I don't see how Apple's "screwing their users over"... :-k

Well, if it were me then yes, i wont buy products from a company that purposely overprices their apps (like adobe with photoshop for example) i'm quite happy to use alternative apps for the most part.

Some companies realise that pricing an app too high never really works, and i support the smaller companies :)

[Samhain13]

i do html, flash, code and design in leopard just fine, not had 1 single crash, same cant be said for ubuntu however.

I can say the same for Ubuntu for the same kind of work-- and more. Just saying.

Have you tried running a web server that your girlfriend is currently accessing for LFP-ready files as you're assembling a video in Cinelerra for your friend's wedding, while you have a music player running, GIMP standing-by for your friend's video's titles and pictures, and Compiz-enabled? All that on a single-core, 1.66GHz machine with 1GB of RAM?

Again, just saying. :)

[Fatec]

I can say the same for Ubuntu for the same kind of work-- and more. Just saying.

Have you tried running a web server that your girlfriend is currently accessing for LFP-ready files as you're assembling a video in Cinelerra for your friend's wedding, while you have a music player running, GIMP standing-by for your friend's video's titles and pictures, and Compiz-enabled? All that on a single-core, 1.66GHz machine with 1GB of RAM?

Again, just saying. :)

Apart from the girlfriend bit, yes actually.

with no lag what so ever.

[Alfa989]

I suppose, but still personally i wouldnt spend say 3k on a mac pro when i can build the same (roughly) hardware wise for around 1k, i know the design is very elegant but it's just not worth it.
But you don't get the same aluminium casing, screw-free system, cooling system, upgreadability (8 RAM slots, for example, etc...), software, support, etc... as a Mac Pro... :)

Well, if it were me then yes, i wont buy products from a company that purposely overprices their apps (like adobe with photoshop for example) i'm quite happy to use alternative apps for the most part.
But if Adobe sold a wonderful and incredibly useful piece of software costing, let's say.. 29$, would you still not buy it? :-k

Some companies realise that pricing an app too high never really works, and i support the smaller companies :)
Exactly, for example, Apple sells iWork for 79$ (i believe), and iLife for 79$ too... :)

[handy]

So, it's not as good or as fast as leopard then, is it :confused::lolflag:

Speed is important to some of us.

:lolflag:

I think you may be one of those speed readers that don't actually comprehend what they are reading?

So please read the following slowly & accept that I have no reason to tell you lies?

I run both Leopard & Arch on the same alu' 24" iMac, & Arch is faster in every way than Leopard on the same hardware.

Did you get that?

[Fatec]

:lolflag:

I think you may be one of those speed readers that don't actually comprehend what they are reading?

So please read the following slowly & accept that I have no reason to tell you lies?

I run both Leopard & Arch on the same alu' 24" iMac, & Arch is faster in every way than Leopard on the same hardware.

Did you get that?

I run both Leopard & Arch on the same 24"iMac as well and leopard is ALOT faster than arch, please, seriously, linux gets crippled if you multitask, i can extract to a drive and still watch a dvd from that drive without any problems in leopard, do that in linux and i get stuttering. why? linux is slower...and before you go blaming drivers i've tried this on multiple setups, always the same.

Linux is great if you do light multitasking (although all the window managers truely do suck)

But if your using ur pc for work i would NOT recommend anyone to use linux (unless its server side work)

[LaRoza]

I run both Leopard & Arch on the same 24"iMac as well and leopard is ALOT faster than arch, please, seriously, linux gets crippled if you multitask, i can extract to a drive and still watch a dvd from that drive without any problems in leopard, do that in linux and i get stuttering. why? linux is slower...and before you go blaming drivers i've tried this on multiple setups, always the same.

Linux is great if you do light multitasking (although all the window managers truely do suck)

But if your using ur pc for work i would NOT recommend anyone to use linux (unless its server side work)

Linux is great at multi tasking. I have used OS X and Linux on an iBook and Linux is faster.

All the window managers suck? Have you tried them all? What criteria is used to measure the "suckiness"? I found OS X's interface to be something I didn't want, and I couldn't change it.

If anyone is using a PC for work, I would recommend using what is most cost effective.

[handy]

I run both Leopard & Arch on the same 24"iMac as well and leopard is ALOT faster than arch, please, seriously, linux gets crippled if you multitask, i can extract to a drive and still watch a dvd from that drive without any problems in leopard, do that in linux and i get stuttering. why? linux is slower...and before you go blaming drivers i've tried this on multiple setups, always the same.

Linux is great if you do light multitasking (although all the window managers truely do suck)

But if your using ur pc for work i would NOT recommend anyone to use linux (unless its server side work)

I don't think you have set up Arch very well.

& forgive me if I'm wrong, but servers multitask.

[Samhain13]

Apart from the girlfriend bit, yes actually.
with no lag what so ever.

Then there isn't much difference. :guitar:

[Fatec]

Linux is great at multi tasking. I have used OS X and Linux on an iBook and Linux is faster.

All the window managers suck? Have you tried them all? What criteria is used to measure the "suckiness"? I found OS X's interface to be something I didn't want, and I couldn't change it.

If anyone is using a PC for work, I would recommend using what is most cost effective.

Bull*coughin*****. If it was great at multitasking extracting to a drive while watching an ISO from the same drive wouldnt cripple it now would it? :lolflag:

Yep, they do, you have gnome, slow, ugly, slow at gui drawing.

Kde, looks OK, apps crash often, stupid menu layout.

XFce, somewhat fast, but suffers the same fate as gnome, ugly.

Openbox, etc..no, just no.

Funny, leopards interface is beautiful and everyone likes it, if you dont, then why on earth did you buy a mac? just to do abit of prick waving? :confused:

I do as well, and linux isnt most cost effective when it crashes like that (for instance, having xorg fail on you when ur in the middle of something important and losing ALL your work is VERY bad if your working on networks)

[Fatec]

I don't think you have set up Arch very well.

& forgive me if I'm wrong, but servers multitask.

And as i said, linux is only good for multitasking if its server-side, desktop use is a no no.

Uh yea, ok, i know what im doing thankyou very much.

[Joeb454]

Funny, leopards interface is beautiful and everyone likes it

I'm not it's biggest fan (I don't own a Mac, but use them at Uni)

That said, I honestly think this thread has more than run it's course

[jpeddicord]

That said, I honestly think this thread has more than run it's course

I think I'll agree with that. Besides, isn't this the Mac forum? Closed for review.

[LaRoza]

Bull*coughin*****. If it was great at multitasking extracting to a drive while watching an ISO from the same drive wouldnt cripple it now would it? :lolflag:

Yep, they do, you have gnome, slow, ugly, slow at gui drawing.

Kde, looks OK, apps crash often, stupid menu layout.

XFce, somewhat fast, but suffers the same fate as gnome, ugly.

Openbox, etc..no, just no.

Funny, leopards interface is beautiful and everyone likes it, if you dont, then why on earth did you buy a mac? just to do abit of prick waving? :confused:

I do as well, and linux isnt most cost effective when it crashes like that (for instance, having xorg fail on you when ur in the middle of something important and losing ALL your work is VERY bad if your working on networks)
If OS X were good it wouldn't crash everytime I tried to browse a webpage (pin wheel of death). If OS X were good, it would have a file browser worth using. I fully acknowledge those two events are just my experiences and do not think it is like that for everyone. I also do not feel a need to say global statements about the OS because of my one time experience with OS X.

You also didn't mention any window manager or DE that I use ;)

I am not going to continue this discussion (mainly because it is pointless and I don't know what you are trying to actually debate, but also because this thread is closed)