Help maintain UbuntuGuide.org

[jiyuu0]

Hello all,

I'm the maintainer of UbuntuGuide.org.

Recently, I've been diagnosed with ectopic heart problem. The problem is caused by high blood pressure.

So, I might not be able to cope with my job and maintenance of the site all by myself. Doctor suggested that I take good rest and try reduce stress...

With that said, any one willing to help improve UbuntuGuide?

Any suggestion to bring it to another level?

Regards,
Chua Wen Kiat


New plans for UbuntuGuide.org...

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=423244&postcount=11

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=423252&postcount=12

[duffman25]

I'm sorry reading this. I hope you take care & rest! Thanxs for your invaluable work with the guide. Hope you get better.

[yuk]

I'm sorry about this. I hope to get better soon!
I want to help with the guide for the new Ubuntu version. I'm not an expert, but I really want to help!

[duffman25]

I have some thoughts about the development of the guide. Maybe you could add a wikipage & link it here to start the development of the guide. You could coordinate efforts with the documentation team or create a separate team for it (ubuntuguide team for example).

My idea is simple, create the wiki page, add a basic index of topics that are going to be covered & make another page for suggestions & contributions. The contributions could be done in XML (maybe a template with problem/solution as that's the way it's done in the main guide: problem: how do you install ...? solution: sudo apt-get). You could (or better the guide team) revise the submited code & if it works add it to the guide. I'm sure the template for the submissions could be easily done with the current guide.

In a long run the guide could be transformed into a official guide inside the wiki, something like "The official ubuntu starter quick guide" & maybe link to it from the main URL (http://ubuntuguide.org)

Just my 2 cents.

[ember]

If there is a plan for a localized german version, I will be happy to contribute.

Also I think, the wiki idea is quite good. That way we would be able, to collect all essential how-tos and revise them.

Anyway, hope you'll be better soon.

Best regards,
ember

[Mike]

I will go though the guide and mark the ones that work as is.

Mike

[Inspector Hector]

Chua, i wish you the best. Hopefully you will get through this soon.

May i suggest, you put some words and a link on ubuntuguide.org refering to this forum, so users can see and participate in the discussion.

[Ju.]

Sorry to read that, wish you the best.

Thanks again for all your work.

[thechitowncubs]

I am extremely grateful for the ubuntuguide, but I believe its time for official documentation. The wiki is a much more efficient way of sharing information. Also the Doc Team could also use more members. I highly recommend endorsing the wiki and doc team!

[Simon Bridge]

I'll add my commiserations.
The wiki is probably the best way for ubuntu tips and tricks. however, the sequential nature of the guide is a useful format for a breif guide and should remain. I've been treating it as a personal installation guide similar to www.mjmwired.net for fedora. One may not wish to do things exactly this way but it is a good point of departure.

You definately want to link from the guide to this thread - so folk will know if they spot something that dosn't work for them.

I'm prepared to help.

What form of assistance did you have in mind?
Like none of us can actually access your web site ... would you like someone to take it over on their own site maybe? Maybe mirror each other? What?

Perhaps a specific proposal is in order?

In your own time of course...

[jiyuu0]

first, thank you all for the kind regards...

now for the proposal...

Richard Harvey has written:
...
We take several of the active users and supports of ubuntuguide. I'll
create a wiki that these admin can write too. We keep it the same format
as the original version but all the trusted admin can update it, this way
the guide always stays current.

Let me know if you like the sound of that. If you do I can start the work
on the wiki asap.
...

My Reply to him:
...
I think your idea is a great idea. Maybe we can start introducing it, and when the site is stable, i'll point the dns to your site, so trafic will flow into it.

The basic idea of UbuntuGuide.org is not to be like the official wiki. We should keep it simple.. UbuntuGuide.org market is targetted for those who wants straight answers. Official wiki is for those who wants to learn or understand the details.
...

He should be writting to this thread soon...

[Ric_]

Hi all,

I've e-mailed Chua and suggested the following.

1. I create a wiki which I'll setup this evening.

2. The wiki can only be modified by admins.

3. We keep the look and feel of the site as original as possible.

4. Chua can take the project back at any time when hes ready.

What I need is admins. I have two good guys lined up but i need more of you guys. Especially anyone interested in translations.

If your interested get in touch with me and I'll hand out some admin accounts.

I'll develop the test site tonight and pending everyones approval assign the admin accounts. Of course I dont want to hand over lots of admin accounts so please tell me what your special areas / your experiance are. And also consider your other commitments. Chua has put a lot of time into this site and we want to keep this at the same high standard.

[macgyver2]

Chua,

I just wanted to add my best wishes. Take care of yourself!

Eric

[klutzini]

I also have sent my best wishes to Chua. What a brilliant job he has done so far!!!

Count me in on any help that is needed.

[mikedtemple]

I also add a "Best Wishes to you, Chua", the guide saved me from breaking my box quite a few times.

I would love to help as well maintain the guide.

[moccah]

Best wishes to you, Chua!

I`m also willing to help with the ubuntuGuide, i`ve recently translated the guide into Norwegian... If you need any other help just PM, or mail me.

regards
Tor Åge

[Jenda]

I will, as I have promised before, do a Czech translation. All I need is someone to tell me how. All I can offer besides is a bad French translation, but I'm sure there are people around here who can do that better.
I can also help test (say test the stuff in the hoary guide on breezy - I used the guide for most things anyway).

[duffman25]

I will, as I have promised before, do a Czech translation. All I need is someone to tell me how. All I can offer besides is a bad French translation, but I'm sure there are people around here who can do that better.
I can also help test (say test the stuff in the hoary guide on breezy - I used the guide for most things anyway).

I can help with the spanish translation.

[duffman25]

For your information, there's a very similar guide for ubuntu in spanish here:
http://www.guia-ubuntu.org/breezy/doku.php

I think you could ask them to merge efforts in the new wiki you're about to develop, i've sent them a mail talking about it. They could contribute both writing & translating in the new guide. I hope this helps.

[Rory]

Best of luck, Chua. Very sad to hear.

I agree with you - Ubuntu Guide was not designed to be a labyrinth of a wiki, like the Official Wiki. Just clean, command-driven solutions to basic questions so people can get up and running.

I hope it continues in that spirit and am happy to help in any way possible.

Take care of yourself!

Rory

[g2devi]

Best of luck, Chua. Very sad to hear.

I'd like to send my best too, Chua. Your guide is one of the major draws to Ubuntu for many people.


I agree with you - Ubuntu Guide was not designed to be a labyrinth of a wiki, like the Official Wiki.
Rory

I agree that having a heavily hyper-linked labyrinth isn't a good idea, but don't rule out wikis. For instance DokuWiki handles Table of Contents, section edits, and most of the syntax used in the Ubuntu Guide. The fact that wikis can also highlight what changed, when, and by whom is also attractive. Here's a sample of a moderately complex page with many sections:
http://wiki.splitbrain.org/wiki:syntax

Dokuwiki may or may not be the best choice (it produces XHTML output, so although it's compatible with modern browsers and Lynx, it's incompatible with Netscape 4.7), but wikis have a lot to offer.

[Leif]

sorry to hear about your condition, hope things get better soon. I can help out with a Turkish version if needed.

[montag]

What I need is admins. I have two good guys lined up but i need more of you guys. Especially anyone interested in translations.


Hi all!
UbuntuGuide is a great resource for the community, especially for n00bs (like me...;) )!
I can surely help with the italian translation.

Chua, my best wishes to you!!

[cargo]

...
What I need is admins. ... Especially anyone interested in translations.
...

Hi there!
I maintained russian translation of Ubuntuguide, so I'm in :)

[xbaez]

Hello
I am owner of a Soccer Video game site called www.SoccerAccess.com
I could setup a subdomain, for example
ubuntuguide.gamingaccess.com or something like that
You could send me your google adsense banner so that I can put it there
We receive around 50000 page views per day so I suppose that hosting of the ubuntuguide wouln't be a problem

Or you could move your domain to my URL or put me in one of your mirrors, I could rsync daily.

So that is how I can help by free hosting (allthough I read you already moved the site somewere else), won't charge you a thing and will put your banner

Apart from that I could imrpove the Ubuntu guide by explaining how to create your own .deb files, how to create your own CD/DVD with .deb files so that you can include it as an Repository CD/DVD (apt-cdrom add)

I also use Kubuntu so if you want I could include notes that explain how to do certain things on Kubuntu (the guide could be expanded so that Kubuntu users will know were to find links to programs in the KDE Menu, for example)

Please let me know if there is another way in which I could help

Changing subjects a close relative of mine had a heart attack but he went to the hospital soon as he didn't had major problems, talking aspirine right now
Hope you get well, with the right treatment I bet you can lower your risks soon
God bless you

[Ric_]

Hi guys.

Yes I'm looking at docuwiki. And I'm not planning on having lots of hyper linked sections. I'm gonna keep the one page layout style, so dont worry.

Also had the idea of auto generating a PDF version of the guide. What do you think?

Chua has already said when I'm ready hes going to point Ubuntu guides DNS over to the new server.

Thanks for all the offers of help. Can you guys please e-mail me richard at squarecows dot com

And I'll sort out your accounts. I'll have a very basic working version soon! We can then work on themes and get everyone in agreement.

[ember]

A PDF version would be cool - you could carry it around and have a useful ressource for cases in which you don't have internet access.

[Samuel]

your site is a great big part of why i got started using ubuntu,
i downloaded alot of the latest linux distros but got ubuntu up and running and doing what i wanted in no time at all and its mainly thanks to your site.

i wish i could offer help but im sure people are falling over themselves to be involved, the only input i can give you is to try and keep it simple, the wikis and forums are great for more indepth info but your site has it all on one page, its quick and to the point and dosnt offer 101ways to do the same thing, it was exactley what i needed to get me up and running, and thats the reason why its been in my bookmarks since i first saw it. Thankyou

hope you get plenty of rest and get well again soon ;) ,
Samuel

[drkeuk]

This is sad indeed. Ubuntuguide.org is a great resource for newbies like me. I'm sure thousands of us were encouraged by its simple and down to earth approach. Good to know many are now offering help but please, maintain the original concept of Chua. It's great!

[KrazyPenguin]

I love the guide !!!:p

And I hope chua gets better.

As for the guide, I don't see why it couldn't be placed in the wiki in the format it is in???
What makes UbuntuGuide.org so good is the format.
It is very easy to use, easy to search, brief and to the point, and written in a way that it works very well off a fresh install.

But really, the guide doesn't have to be redone. It just has to be updated.
Some sections will have to be redone, but all the links and jumpers can be kept intact. If a few people work on different sections, it won't take long to update it. And probably most of the info is still valid anyway.

Good luck and best wishes.
The KrazyPenguin

[Jenda]

But really, the guide doesn't have to be redone. It just has to be updated.
Some sections will have to be redone, but all the links and jumpers can be kept intact. If a few people work on different sections, it won't take long to update it. And probably most of the info is still valid anyway.
Exactly. We should keep a detailed change log and have admins and testers. Perhaps we could even include sub-guides for more programs. Say a link from the LimeWire installation to other Gnutella clients or from Frozen Bubble to other, more problematic games. It's Unofficial, remember?

[stoeptegel]

wow now i know why i didn't get any email back... well, i think you don't have to worry about your work getting lost, i have trust we'll take care of that for indefinite time. Take your time to get better.
Said that, i am willing to work on the new guide and/or translate in dutch, and like the idea of a a simple wiki.

[xbaez]

I will like to help with the followning
- How to install firware in order to use your scanner (ej. Genius Colorpage Vivid 4)
- How to setup Samba (much larger explanation, permision, passwords, protocols...)
- How to compile your own .deb files
- How to create your own CD/DVD with your downloaded .deb files
- Anything else that could be helpfull

How can I sign up to be a poster?

[Ric_]

I will like to help with the followning
- How to install firware in order to use your scanner (ej. Genius Colorpage Vivid 4)
- How to setup Samba (much larger explanation, permision, passwords, protocols...)
- How to compile your own .deb files
- How to create your own CD/DVD with your downloaded .deb files
- Anything else that could be helpfull

How can I sign up to be a poster?

xbaez drop me an e-mail richatd {at} squarecows {dot} com and I'll add you too the list.

[Ric_]

James and Myself are currently porting over the current 5.04 version to the wiki. Then I'll enable the accounts for everyone else to convert that into 5.10.

Its getting there folks don't worry!

I'm going to put the old versions (5.04 and 4.10) as they are in a sub folder tonight for an archive.

Claire is currently working on a new style sheet so we can move away from docuwiki's default, and make the site look more "ubuntu". That should be online this weekend.

You can see a preview here http://ubuntuguide.squarecows.com

I hope you like the style we are working hard to keep it simple. I'll also be giving a test of the PDF version soon too. Any comments please post here and we will see what we can do.

[Ric_]

But really, the guide doesn't have to be redone. It just has to be updated.
Some sections will have to be redone, but all the links and jumpers can be kept intact. If a few people work on different sections, it won't take long to update it. And probably most of the info is still valid anyway.



Agreed, but I dont want to paste raw HTML into the wiki! It would be a nightmare for multiple people to maintain. I'm keeping the "one page format" so it should still be easy to search.

[KrazyPenguin]

Agreed, but I dont want to paste raw HTML into the wiki! It would be a nightmare for multiple people to maintain. I'm keeping the "one page format" so it should still be easy to search.

Looks good !!!

;)

[g2devi]

You can see a preview here http://ubuntuguide.squarecows.com

I hope you like the style we are working hard to keep it simple. I'll also be giving a test of the PDF version soon too. Any comments please post here and we will see what we can do.

It looks great so far.

One suggestion. I liked the way that the original UbuntuGuide distinguished between code blocks and document blocks (e.g. the contents of the /etc/apt/sources.list file. It made things clearer. If you like, you can achieve roughly the same effect by quoting your document blocks they way you currently have been, and quoting your code blocks with <php></php> (assuming you've disabled embedded php support). Here's an example you can try out:

<php>
sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
</php>

Alternately, if you don't like the above kludge, the Note plugin should work just as well:
http://wiki.splitbrain.org/plugin:note

Just make sure that you remove the following lines from the stylesheet, otherwise, you'll get the icons beside each type of note:
.tdnoteclassic {
background-image: url(images/note.png);
}

.tdnoteimportant {
background-image: url(images/important.png);
}

.tdnotewarning {
background-image: url(images/warning.png);
}
.tdnotetip {
background-image: url(images/tip.png);
}

[Jenda]

Lookin' good! How would one proceed to create a translation?

[jsgotangco]

Chua,

On behalf of the Ubuntu Documentation Project, we wish you well. Your Ubuntu Guide paved way for the Ubuntu Starter Guide now in Ubuntu 5.10. Rest assured that changes on upstream ubuntuguide.org will be reflected in the starterguide as long as we have the permission and the license :)

[Ric_]

It looks great so far.

One suggestion. I liked the way that the original UbuntuGuide distinguished between code blocks and document blocks (e.g. the contents of the /etc/apt/sources.list file. It made things clearer. If you like, you can achieve roughly the same effect by quoting your document blocks they way you currently have been, and quoting your code blocks with <php></php> (assuming you've disabled embedded php support). Here's an example you can try out:



I'll take a look at this. First job is to get the 5.04 guide imported. Then Let the guys convert to 5.10 As they are doing that I'll work on Looks with Claire our designer. My eyes are aching now so off to bed 5.04 should be finished tomorrow!

[Ric_]

Lookin' good! How would one proceed to create a translation?

Jenda let me know what translation language you would like to do and I'll enable a wiki page for you. Mail me richard {at} squarecows {dot} com

[Rory]

Ric,

Do you envision any change in approach/philosophy of ubuntuguide.org as it shifts over to 5.10? Any thoughts or personal opinions?

R.

[Rory]

Like the preview, so far. Gotta say, I also like the default design, too. Something clean and fresh about it.

Thanks for all the hard work and if you need any grunt work done, I'm happy to help.

[Jenda]

It should be clear which parts are just copies from the old guide and which ones are valid and tested. It'll make it a lot easier for everyone to do their job.

I noticed a very bad mistake on ubuntuguide.squarecows.com, if this is the most up-to-date : Right at the beginning, it says Copyright Chua Wen Chiat, and then it says that it's GPL. See the problem? I do nat think Chua has a copyright on the guide, and if he does, then it is not free software and is not GPL. And shouldn't it be the GFDL - GNU Free Doc. Lic.?

EDIT: And at the bottom of the page it says CC licenced... make up your minds! :)

[Rory]

I don't believe there's an inconsistency here. You can copyright material as an original author but still release it under the GPL for future modification by other parties, who then must refer back to the original copyright holder.

I believe I'm correct in saying this, although I'm sure if I'm not, I'm about to get jumped on. :)

R.

[Rory]

There are two separate parts to to this guide, which require two separate notices and licenses. One, for the document, itself. The second for the code, contained, therein.

Therefore, I suggest the following modification to the license section, which I believe would cover both. I believe this would be consistent with Chua's intent and Ubuntu's philosophy for free software and also please all users of this document.

Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Chua Wen Kiat.
Documentation:
Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl.txt) or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with the Invariant Sections being this copyright notice and all references to ubuntuguide.org. This document is provided WITHOUT WARRANTY.


Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Chua Wen Kiat.
Program Code Contained Within Documentation:
This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt) as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.

This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for more details.


Ric, would you be fine with this? What do others think?

[stoeptegel]

IMO it should be copyleft instead of copyright, because that's where it's all about. You may distribute, but only under this licence, no more no less...

[Rory]

copyright vs. copyleft.
I don't think people would disagree with you. But, in principle, I believe that's what the above accomplishes. Note: the FSF and Ubuntu use "copyright" notices. It is also what Chua chose. And, the idea was to respect that this was Chua's work that, if he wishes when he gets better, he may reclaim at any point.

My suggestions for the changes in wording and adding two licenses, was not to change Chua's intent, but simply clarify it and ensure it was anchored in the proper license, as putting documenation under a GPL isn't correct and there is a more appropriate FSF license for it.

Rory

[Jenda]

I just noticed that even Chua's original version contains a copyright notice. So that's the way we should have it, although I doubt he really has a copyright for it. AFAIK, that's the difference between authorship rights and copyright.
And indeed, the copyleft is meant to be the opposite of copyright.

[g2devi]

I just noticed that even Chua's original version contains a copyright notice. So that's the way we should have it, although I doubt he really has a copyright for it. AFAIK, that's the difference between authorship rights and copyright.
And indeed, the copyleft is meant to be the opposite of copyright.

Actually, according the the Berne convention, Chua has an automatic copyright on his work if he is the citizen of an Berne convention country:
http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/sc_mrksv/cipo/cp/copy_gd_protect-e.html#8

Technically, everything you write in the forum is also automatically copyright by you (although by writing it, you're implicitly giving permission for ubuntuforums to reproduce it)

Copyleft isn't quite the opposite of copyright, public domain is closer to it. Copyleft is basically using copyright to define a license that is half way between copyright and public domain. While it would be nice to label the work as copyleft, unfortunately, the word copyleft isn't a word that's recognized by law of most countries, so it may not be a good idea to use it in a legal text.

[Jenda]

OK: that's what I needed to know.

[Ric_]

Good news,

Bar the copyright debate thats going on, the 5.04 guide has successfully been ported over to the wiki.

I've enabled the first couple of accounts on the site to get an idea of how to manage all the users. We are going to start converting this page so the information will be relevant to Breezy Badger 5.10 asap.

I'll set up the translation areas very soon so the translators can get to work.

We are getting there.

Once again thanks for all the support from the community.

[christooss]

Please count me in for translation

Slovenian translation.

Chua I to hope you get better. UbuntuGuide made me expert in Linux/Ubuntu world.

Where is 5.04 wiki located?

[Jenda]

Ric: I might be able to help out even aside from the translation.

[bennettg]

thanx from the nOObs

[Jenda]

UBUNTUGUIDE PEOPLE:
The New User Literature Project of the Ubuntu Marketing Team has created in brainstorm a scheme of guide-building inspired by the Unofficial Ubuntu Starter Guide. We hope it might be of use to your project. Read the brainstorm thread here:
http://www.ubuntupeople.com/file/forums/viewtopic.php?p=113#113

The scheme should serve beginners who want to understand what they're doing, those who just want it done and experienced users who only need it as a reference alike.

Our projects are closely related, so perhaps we could cooperate in the future.

Jenda

[robstoffers]

The good news is that the Ubuntu Docteam are maintaining the Official Ubuntu Starter Guide which is based off ubuntuguide.org. It will be included with all subsequent releases of Ubuntu when you click on the red life preserver on the top of your screen. Check it out at http://help.ubuntu.com and if you want to contribute check out http://doc.ubuntu.com.

[Jenda]

Yeah, that's not bad, but the main two disadvantages to the official version are:
1. It does not include the legally questionable advice
2. It does not include console solutions for most problems, thus eliminating fast capy-paste work, which is useful for three categories of users:
a) the newbie who only wants things to work
b) the newbie who wants to learn shell commands
c) the experienced user who wants to use the guide as a reference (doesn't want to type the commands every time)

The first disadvantage is not soluble in the Official Guide, but the second is. Since you are the mainainer, I thought this opinion might be of interest to you...

[lastfuture]

Sad to hear that.... here is my little contribution:

The following items in the 5.04 starter guide that I have tested with breezy badger work for 5.10:
How to install Menu Editor for Gnome?
How to install Flash Player Plugin for Mozilla Firefox?
How to install Skype?
How to install Multimedia Codecs?
How to install DVD capability?
How to install XMMS?
How to install GnomeBaker?
How to install SSH Server?

The repositories I used as a replacement for the ones in the guide for 5.04 are:
deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ breezy-extras main universe multiverse restricted
deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ breezy-seveas all
deb-src http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ breezy-seveas all

The items I couldn't get to work were:
How to install PDF Reader Plugin for Mozilla Firefox?

Hope I could help

[mattheweast]

Yeah, that's not bad, but the main two disadvantages to the official version are:
1. It does not include the legally questionable advice
2. It does not include console solutions for most problems, thus eliminating fast capy-paste work, which is useful for three categories of users:
a) the newbie who only wants things to work
b) the newbie who wants to learn shell commands
c) the experienced user who wants to use the guide as a reference (doesn't want to type the commands every time)


I don't think that these reasons are enough to justify the continued existence of both an official and unofficial guide. Please see this thread (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81320) for more detail on this topic, but here are my thoughts, for what they are worth:

With regard to 1.: Although i personally don't like legally questionable advice, there is clearly a demand for it. Therefore, I suggest that the right way to go is to write specific guides just on those individual topics, not a whole guide which covers much of the same ground as the Starter Guide.

With regard to 2: these are valid opinions, but I don't think they justify having two separate guides, one "official" and one "unofficial". The best thing is to work on the official guide and attempt to incorporate the concerns that you (and others) have. A way that we could do this would be to include a more comprehensive explanation of how to use the command line in general, and especially other ways to install packages.

Thanks,

Matt

[Jenda]

You might have a few points there. I might just join the doc team... I will be away next week - plenty of time to think about it.

[mattheweast]

You might have a few points there. I might just join the doc team... I will be away next week - plenty of time to think about it.
We're always happy to welcome new contributors!! See our website (http://doc.ubuntu.com) and join us on irc at #ubuntu-doc for more information.

Matt

[Rory]

I don't think that these reasons are enough to justify the continued existence of both an official and unofficial guide. Please see this thread (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81320) for more

We all know that many on the official doc team have long been disatistisfied with the unofficial ubuntuguide.org. We hear it on the forums, on irc, and it can get quite testy and rude, at times.

May I kindly suggest, for once and for all, give it a rest. Clearly there is demand for the unofficial guide. Clearly there is demand for the official guide. Both have value. Both are good.

Many in the doc team seem to feel that both shouldn't co-exist. And, of course, their solution is always the same: the unofficial guide should disappear and theirs should continue.

Both clearly have their place. People need to begin to accept this.

Some on the doc team continue to minimize comments about illegal packages, official doc navigation issues and the fact that their guide isn't concise and command-driven. If you really want to get rid of the unofficial guide, deal with those issues, first.

My suggestion is slightly different: Co-Exist.

My suggestion is to contribute to both, if you wish. Join the doc team. They need the help. Join ubuntuguide.org. They need your help. Feed off each other. Accept each other. Learn from each other. Both will get better.

Rory

[mattheweast]

No, you've completely misunderstood me. My points above were due, not to a dissatisfaction with ubuntuguide.org, but with a dissatisfaction with a situation by which lots of people with ability produce two similar guides: thus duplicating effort which could be better put to use by making one kick-*** resource. My reasons are above.

We're working hard to try and improve community relations and make a more coherent help system available to users, so please let's get that into perspective.

I am also upset to see you've misunderstood my point about illegal packages: I said quite clearly that there SHOULD be guides for this, as there is a demand. But the guides should be specific to those topics, not reproduce a bunch of material which is for most intents and purposes, the same.

Let's make another thing clear: the doc team has not been testy or rude about the unofficial guide. If you've heard otherwise, it has not come from the doc team. Our guide relied heavily on the cooperation of Chua and the quality of the guide, as it does on contributions made in the wiki, mailing lists, and elsewhere.

Please don't misunderstand my posts, which are intended to bridge gaps, rather than create them.

[Rory]

You know, in one breath I hear comments about not duplicating efforts and multiple guides creating confusion. In another breath, I hear comments about having one official guide and then writing additional documents about things that can't be included in the official guides.

In terms of duplication, there is Content and there is Approach. Your concern seems to be duplication of content. Fair enough. I appreciate your concern and I recognize there is a scarcity of human resources. In fact, I'll help you on your official doc, if you want. But, recognize there are also people who only want to go to one place for *all* the answers and want those answers to be command-driven and concise. They want a "Just Works" box up and running, quickly. The official docs didn't give me that. Ubuntuguide.org did and it's why I made the final move from SuSE. I know many others have had the same experience.

So, it appears there are at least two different approaches to expressing the same content. Both have a place in the Ubuntu community. It's okay. We shouldn't keep trying to suggest one approach should disappear and die. I've heard this argument for close to a year, now. We should move on from that argument. Seriously. Simply let both approaches CO-EXIST. In fact, looking at the official docs and starter guide, it's clear that there have been lessons learned from the ubuntuguide approach. That wouldn't have occurred if there was only one reference source from the beginning.

Choice is Good. It's why I left Windows and chose Linux. Yes, it makes for a messier world. Yes, it means there is duplication (look at all the distros). But, it also is inclusive of multiple voices and multiple perspectives and it's why I love Linux so much. The same applies to documentation between distros and within distros.

Move on. Co-Exist. It'll be okay.

[mattheweast]

You know, in one breath I hear comments about not duplicating efforts and multiple guides creating confusion. In another breath, I hear comments about having one official guide and then writing additional documents about things that can't be included in the official guides.

That was all done in one breath. Yes, one comprehensive guide and supplementary documents provided by the community are indeed less work than two comprehensive guides.

In fact, I'll help you on your official doc, if you want. But, recognize there are also people who only want to go to one place for *all* the answers and want those answers to be command-driven and concise. They want a "Just Works" box up and running, quickly. The official docs didn't give me that. Ubuntuguide.org did and it's why I made the final move from SuSE. I know many others have had the same experience.
Ok, naturally what people want is an important consideration for the official docs too, and we'll be taking that into account when writing them. If the documentation Ubuntu produces doesn't address your particular needs, then obviously you'll be quite right to turn to something that does. However we will do our best to address your needs.

This discussion is not about two groups of stubborn idiots bashing their heads against each other saying "my doc is better". It is about finding the best way to provide users with a good solution. There is only a certain way that we can go with this argument before we reach the "bashing heads" stage, but please bear in mind that my concern here is about having the proper methodology and tools to produce great docs. I am pretty convinced that forks and unofficial docs are not the way forward EXCEPT AND INSOFAR as they document unofficial parts of Ubuntu which the Documentation team doesn't cover. Anything else that is wrong with the official guide (it doesn't use the CMD line, it doesn't provide quick enough answers) are concerns which can be addressed when balancing considerations like usability of the guide with the importance of giving users an insight into their operating system. Feel free to file bugs.

I would also like to make it clear that I don't believe that the Documentation team have any greater skills than any other group of documentors in the community. It is simply that we have an established mode of contribution and quality control so that, although mistakes will happen, the guides _should_ be reliable. Also, from a users point of view, it is nice to have a slightly more "official" stamp to documentation, as in other things.


Choice is Good. It's why I left Windows and chose Linux. Yes, it makes for a messier world. Yes, it means there is duplication (look at all the distros). But, it also is inclusive of multiple voices and multiple perspectives and it's why I love Linux so much. The same applies to documentation between distros and within distros.


Choice is indeed good. But for documentation there are also competing considerations: as you said, it is important also that users find their answers in one place. That may not be possible where legal issues are at stake, but we can try and get as close as possible!

Move on. Co-Exist. It'll be okay.
Try not to be patronising. As I said, there is only a certain way we can go with this discussion, and we may have to agree to disagree, but I want to ensure this is no misunderstanding.

[jsgotangco]

Well just to give a piece of my mind on the subject matter, its better off not to use terms like official and unofficial. Clearly, documents shipped in the distribution are considered official and those that are available outside the ubuntu.com realm (with the exception of wiki entries) are unofficial. So in a free market economy, both will exist because people who use unofficial resources feel the official ones are limited in scope. And people who use the official resource would feel safer because it is after all, well official (am i making sense here). It's just like a scene in a bookstore. You get X number of Windows books by various publishers and MS has its own publishing arm. Your choice.

As a docteam member, I'd suggest to beginners to use our official guides. For advance users, you know what you're doing :razz:

[Rory]

Try not to be patronising. As I said, there is only a certain way we can go with this discussion, and we may have to agree to disagree, but I want to ensure this is no misunderstanding.

That certainly wasn't my intent, so I apologize if you inferred that from my comments. And, in fact, I think you're doing a great job. My point is very simple: members of the doc team, however well-meaning in intent, need to stop trying to suffocate ubuntuguide by repeatedly calling for its end.

Let's just allow both ubuntuguide and the official docs to co-exist, as they wish and have each chosen.

Choice. Co-Existence.

[neur0]

I'm a newb Ubuntu/Linux user and I would have probably given up on Linux if it weren't for UbuntuGuide.org. I would like to see it continue.
(sorry if my English was bad)

[Rory]

May I ask what ever happened to ubuntuguide 5.10? Ric started off with great enthusiasm and lots of volunteers willing to help. And the guide looked like it was taking shape quite quickly. Then, it just stopped. Enthusiasm gone?

I'm guessing that ubuntuguide is now dead?

I'm sure a lot of us would be willing to ensure it remains alive, if you want.

R.

[kakashi]

i have a it of advice. i realy found ubuntu guide very helpfull. it tought me a lot and its the only reason i can run samba and a dhcp server. but i did not find any information on setting uo iptables and internet connection sharing.
i still can't use iptable (i have to install guidedog to do that). please in the net version include a how to for internet connection sharing.

[stubby]

May I ask what ever happened to ubuntuguide 5.10? Ric started off with great enthusiasm and lots of volunteers willing to help. And the guide looked like it was taking shape quite quickly. Then, it just stopped. Enthusiasm gone?

I'm guessing that ubuntuguide is now dead?

I'm sure a lot of us would be willing to ensure it remains alive, if you want.

R.

I too would like to see it continue. I'm one of the maintainers for the new ubuntuguide, however have been caught up with exams as of late. I've just emailed Ric and others to see where they stand in regards to ubuntuguide. In any case, I'm hoping to update the site (ubuntuguide.squarecows.com) sometime next week.

Any updates/additions/deletions to the site would be greatly appreciated, as the majority of the code is still based on Hoary 5.04. Rather then clog up this thread though, a more suitable thread was created recently.

Please see this post
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89360

The infrastructure is all there. It just needs some TLC.

[mikk0]

I have translated the guide to Finnish, so if there is going to be a guide for the 5.10 version, I will translate that as well :)

In fact, I started to create a script to automate the translation process - it finds the portions I have not yet translated and when I have translated those, I can update the original version with these new translations.
When ever there is new version of the guide, the script can translate those parts that haven't changed and after that gives me the untranslated lines again.

I was wondering if we could make the guide a little more translator-friendly, but I am not sure how to do this, so that's why I started with my script.

The script itself is easy to localize, for I tried to write it so you can add your language for the output messages by changing the file containing the messages. Currently it supports English and Finnish.
The language to use is read from the user's LANG and if no match is found, the messages will be shown in English.

When it's ready, I'll give you the address where it can be found. But until then, take care and may the force be with you all - especially you Chua Kiat

Mikko :smile:

And by the way:

There were small portions in the original guide that I did not agreed with, but I do appreciate the fact that the guide exists. And those portions can be discussed best if we form a posting list or such for this project. Or is there one already?

[orvils]

The more info the better...


what about Kubuntuguide?

[Inspector Hector]

The more info the better...


what about Kubuntuguide?

Does not look like there will be an unofficial ubuntuguide at all.
So you better stick with the official Kubuntu Quick Guide (http://www.kubuntu.org/docs/kquickguide/C/index.html).

[orvils]

Does not look like there will be an unofficial ubuntuguide at all.
So you better stick with the official Kubuntu Quick Guide (http://www.kubuntu.org/docs/kquickguide/C/index.html).

If the oficial guides lack something, there wll be an unoficial gude, that fills the missing parts. After original ubuntu guide we have seen, that realy easy manuals are possible... so now we have no way back... We MUST have ubuntuguide :)

If that Ric_'s ubuntuguide.squarecows.com fails, there will be another... As long as there will be something that is missing that could help users to migrate to Linux easier..

I work in University of Latvia, I can help such project with the necesery resources. So far it looks, that ubuntuguide.squarecows.com could become the ultimate guide we and our grennies need...

[Inspector Hector]

I totally agree that the guide is, or better was, great - and necessary. The simplicity was it's biggest advantage, so the good selection of faqs.
But i'am only a user, and unfortunately i don't have the time to take care of such a work.
So i think, we better ask Ric about any ongoing efforts on his side.

[tomwell]

All the best, I hope you rest and that your health improves!!!

If any translation needed i can do french stuff...

Peace

Tom

[Jenda]

Ric: If you are around, I want to tell you that I think many people would be willing to help. The way to let them is make an unofficial ubuntuguide-wiki, so that everyone can change entries (once logged in). All it needs is a gentle prod from someone who will keep it together...

[christooss]

wiki has been made

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89360

[stubby]

Well here's a small update on the situation with ubuntuguide.squarecows.com

I havn't been able to get in touch with Ric at all for the last week or two, so not sure what's going on there. Hope he's just busy caught up with work.

The way the wiki was setup is that only three people (myself included) have access to edit the wiki. The other teammate is currently working on the multimedia section, and I'll update whatever else needs updating. I'm by no means an expert in everything linux (especially the server stuff), so if there needs to be changes made then please post a solution (here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89360) and I'll update the guide

In regards to keep track of changes to when the guide is updated, that seems like something only Ric can change. At the bottom right of the page you'll see something like

start.txt · Last modified: 2005/11/15 14:01 by sgieng

Can people work with that perhaps?

Cheers.

[orvils]

I'm sure many could and would like to help....

It is not right, that only one man is The mega admin and he's no where to be found... :(

Ric_, share the load of maintenance ;) Project must go on even if the main admin has more urgent things to do.


I could contribute latvian translation of the guide..
If something, i have some time to help on maintenance (if you trust me of course)...

As for the new wiki, it could be a liitle bit frendlier, little bit colaouful :) and maybe someone can add some space between the topics, so they become more sepperate.



Hate to see this wery usefull guide crippled... If Ric_ doesns show up soon, I am willing to join/create new team to port and maintain ubuntuguide. I have some time to spend on this guide daily, so I might be of an asisstance :)


Let's have ubuntuguide!

[duffman25]

I'm sure many could and would like to help....

It is not right, that only one man is The mega admin and he's no where to be found... :(

Ric_, share the load of maintenance ;) Project must go on even if the main admin has more urgent things to do.


I could contribute latvian translation of the guide..
If something, i have some time to help on maintenance (if you trust me of course)...

As for the new wiki, it could be a liitle bit frendlier, little bit colaouful :) and maybe someone can add some space between the topics, so they become more sepperate.



Hate to see this wery usefull guide crippled... If Ric_ doesns show up soon, I am willing to join/create new team to port and maintain ubuntuguide. I have some time to spend on this guide daily, so I might be of an asisstance :)


Let's have ubuntuguide!

I think the ubuntu guide should move to the official ubuntu wiki as another section: ubuntu cli guide (since most, if not all of the commands are cli based). This would benefit in many ways:
1) it would be part of ubuntu documentation & stored in a familiar place.
2) everyone would be able to help. The ways you are maintaining the guide makes it difficult to stay up to date. There are many people here willing to help, and if the guide was stored in ubuntu's wiki it would be easier for people to help & collaborate.
3) Since more people would help, ports to other archs other that 386 would be easily made.

The way ubuntu guide was done before (just one person) and know (a few people) is monolithic & not very open.

My 2 cents, feel free to use them o leave them...

[Jenda]

I think we DO need a way of restricting access so that we can give "approved/tested" lables on definitely valid advice. You can't ensure that on the official wiki, AFAIK. I'd like to see two levels of access - 1. edit: anyone can 2.approve/remove entries - mods.
Approval should include either testing on your own machine or asking someone directly to test on their machine (say if the mod in question doesn't have an nvidia, then he can ask anyone over IRC to try out the guide to install the nvidia driver and approve according to their result).

[duffman25]

I think we DO need a way of restricting access so that we can give "approved/tested" lables on definitely valid advice. You can't ensure that on the official wiki, AFAIK. I'd like to see two levels of access - 1. edit: anyone can 2.approve/remove entries - mods.
Approval should include either testing on your own machine or asking someone directly to test on their machine (say if the mod in question doesn't have an nvidia, then he can ask anyone over IRC to try out the guide to install the nvidia driver and approve according to their result).

The levels of aprovements prevents from anyone helping out. The documentation team is there to correct things & avoid other mistakes. People would be sensible in including receips & you can always add a big "please check the code before submitting it" or something similar.

[orvils]

I don't mind Ubuntuguide beeing part of the official wiki... And I dont mind it beeing seperate from the official wiki.. BUT I don't like that nothing is happening!

Official wiki is as good wiki as any other, BUT the ubuntu guide MUST contain all the answers. [ also to "dubious" questions ] And of course my granny must understand it. :)

If The official docteam/wiki people are willing to put ALL the answers in their wiki, I would be glad to contribute tne latvian version of the ubuntuguide and some other ideas :)

I don't like fighting, but if there is no action soon, I'll try to do something...

[mikk0]

Ok.

I've done the Finnish translator and have sent it to Richard a week ago. Nothing has been heard from him, though... :(
I sent it to his hotmail address, which may be filled with spam and thus he may not have even received it.

If Richard is reading this, please get in touch. But in case someone else knows how to contact him, please tell that the Finnish translation can be found from http://koti.mbnet.fi/mikko75/ohjeet/ubuntuguide/fi_doku.txt

Please take it and put it with the rest of the translations in ubuntuguide.squarecows.com.

Thank you,
Mikko :)

[Jenda]

Ric is dead. Or so it seems.

He said you would get in touch for the Czech translation, and for other contribution, and I never heard from him. It's been several weeks now.

If there's a new movement, I'd like to be in it :)

[Inspector Hector]

Ric_s public profile says "Last Activity: 1 Week Ago 12:24 PM"
Since people are trying to contact him over two weeks now, it looks like he is avoiding contact.
Maybe he's a traitor, and a member of the official guide ;-)

[Leif]

I signed up to help with the guide, but as you guys have pointed out, nothing seems to be going on, which (at least to me) proves, for the second time, that a one-man show comes with problems.

does anyone know how the documentation team / wiki team / whoever is in charge of the wiki would feel about adding the guide there ? a whole release has been guideless, and this really shouldn't happen for dapper. an open wiki seems the only solution to this.

[duffman25]

I signed up to help with the guide, but as you guys have pointed out, nothing seems to be going on, which (at least to me) proves, for the second time, that a one-man show comes with problems.

does anyone know how the documentation team / wiki team / whoever is in charge of the wiki would feel about adding the guide there ? a whole release has been guideless, and this really shouldn't happen for dapper. an open wiki seems the only solution to this.

You could ask about it/ propose it in the ubuntu-doc list.
http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/

I also think developing the guide in the wiki with everyone interested in helping allowed to do so would be the way to go. If you're going to talk about it in the doc list, they will probably tell you there's already the faq guide, so maybe it would be better to propose it as the cli version of the faq guide.

my 2€ as always

[atoponce]

Hello all,

I'm the maintainer of UbuntuGuide.org.

Recently, I've been diagnosed with ectopic heart problem. The problem is caused by high blood pressure.

So, I might not be able to cope with my job and maintenance of the site all by myself. Doctor suggested that I take good rest and try reduce stress...

With that said, any one willing to help improve UbuntuGuide?

Any suggestion to bring it to another level?

Regards,
Chua Wen Kiat


New plans for UbuntuGuide.org...

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=423244&postcount=11

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=423252&postcount=12

Sorry about your health condition. Hope you get better.

This is a great opportunity to donate time to Open Source and give back what Open Source has given to you! I would love to help, but I have so much on my plate now, I wouldn't be able to do much. Is there a way to dontate to the guide without maintaining it, maybe through email?

[haddog]

I hope the Ubuntuguide continues. It has been a great deal useful to all my friends that I have introduced to Ubuntu and myself.

[orvils]

As it seems, that nothing is happening, I and my colleagues in Linux Centre of University of Latvia, we are starting new wiki... Wiki to last...

New wiki has been set up and now we are porting the old guide to it, then some updates and we WILL have an Ubuntuguide again... :)


Anyone willing to help, please let me know: orvils _AT_ gmail.com
When the basic work will be done i'll give access to anyone willing to help (and also worthy of course) so that the gude can live on even if someone of maintainers has no time to do the job..

a bit more, a bit later when I'll have something to show you :)

[minghai]

Hi all,

I see a lot of posts about working on the guide. Is anyone working on the Add-on CD for 5.10? If so, I'd like to help where I can. I found the CD for 5.04 really helpful for setting up the 5 computers at my Dad's office and its the only reason I haven't upgrade to 5.10. Drop me an email at minghai99_at_yahoo.com. Thanks.

Ming Hai

[FLeiXiuS]

You sir are a role model for what a great community is all about. I appreciate all of the work you've shown and everything you've done to help the community. I do hope you recover from this terrible incident.

Great job :-)

[orvils]

I'm proud to anounce, that Ubuntuguide has been ported to wiki and some updates have been made...

I am also proud to anounce that ubuntuguide is first part of new project to create ubuntuguides for all the popular distros... The project will be called EasyLinux.info. Right now we are doing some testing and trying to solve some minor problems...

Anyway... Ubuntuguide lives on at http://linux.edu.lv/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
Check it out and let me know about some bugs or any new suggestions ;)


A blit later it will go to more permanent location at EasyLinux.info/ubuntu

[minghai]

Hi orvils,

Nice job, you might wanna search and replace "5.04" with "5.10". Btw, do you know anyone who might be working on the 5.10 add on CD? Thanks.

Ming Hai

[Jenda]

I know one thing about the CD. I made a scheme on how it would work (to avoid the legal issues that killed the 5.04 Unoff Add-on CD) - and am trying to press the team that's working on the easybreezy automation script (I'll post a website as soon as there is one*) to implement a CD creation and a from-CD installation there.
The scheme goes a littlebit something like this:
You select the packages you want to install with the script, but instead of installing, it puts them in a directory (if you specify the option) (say $home/AddonCD), and then you proceed to burn the contents of this dir onto a CD, a floppy or a USB key - whatever, and when you come to the target PC, you start up the same automation script, and just add the CD/whatever as a repository. Done.
One disadvantage: You can't do this from a Winthing box, except from the LiveCD.

You can check how the project is going at IRC: #easybreezy @ irc.freenode.net

The name is gonna be changed, so I'll update this when it does.

Share the spirit of Freedom.

*Edit: http://easybreezy.robotgeek.org is the site. You can always check there.

[mrbyte]

I'm proud to anounce, that Ubuntuguide has been ported to wiki and some updates have been made...

I am also proud to anounce that ubuntuguide is first part of new project to create ubuntuguides for all the popular distros... The project will be called EasyLinux.info. Right now we are doing some testing and trying to solve some minor problems...

Anyway... Ubuntuguide lives on at http://linux.edu.lv/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
Check it out and let me know about some bugs or any new suggestions ;)


A blit later it will go to more permanent location at EasyLinux.info/ubuntu

Great job, indeed. How about translating this Wiki to other languages? I'm Polish maintainer of pl.ubuntuguide.org.

[orvils]

Great job, indeed. How about translating this Wiki to other languages? I'm Polish maintainer of pl.ubuntuguide.org.

I have thaught about translating wiki to other languages, and actually it has been translated to some languages but so far haven't checked how to get it all working. [not sure if it's necesery]

I think that wiki itself is not so important, I hope maintainers of all the translations of the ubuntuguide will add their versions[translations] to the wiki and then we could place links to all the guides on main page, so everyone can easily find his native language.

If you are willing to help, let me know [ orvils atThat gmail.com ]

[duffman25]

I have thaught about translating wiki to other languages, and actually it has been translated to some languages but so far haven't checked how to get it all working. [not sure if it's necesery]

I think that wiki itself is not so important, I hope maintainers of all the translations of the ubuntuguide will add their versions[translations] to the wiki and then we could place links to all the guides on main page, so everyone can easily find his native language.

If you are willing to help, let me know [ orvils atThat gmail.com ]

Nice. I hope this gets going, and it doesn't die. why didn't you start it in ubuntu's wiki? I think there it would have more contributors and it would develop faster. Anyway, good job.

[orvils]

Nice. I hope this gets going, and it doesn't die. why didn't you start it in ubuntu's wiki? I think there it would have more contributors and it would develop faster. Anyway, good job.

The idea is to create an ubuntuguide for other distros too... therefore it will be in EasyLinux.info :) But I'll think what to do with the ubuntu wiki...

p.s. Right we have some problems, but we're gona fix it them soon :)

[orvils]

I am glat to say, that all the technical problems have been solved and ubuntu guide ir ready to go in public...

See EasyLinux.info (http://www.easylinux.info)

Right now there is only english translation of ubuntuguide, but i hope that soon we will have some other translations as well as similar guides for other distros...

For more details see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=102924

[Jenda]

Typo in link

[Inspector Hector]

Glad to see a new ubuntuguide online. Thanks a lot, i alread used it.

So i will start with two proposals.

First is to add, or just refering to it, the ATI Howto from http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=423584
and the ipw2200 & WPA Howto from http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=130227p=423584

Second is to start a new thread (3rdParty>UbuntuUserGuide>Whatever) to discuss your guide. As from now, since we have a new working guide online, adding requests or proposals in this thread is off-topic.

[orvils]

I'll see what to do with those links...

To Talk about New guide go to this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=102924

[heart_reaver]

Chua,

Sorry to hear like this

Take care man.

Today i spoted this link. I have made guide based on UbuntuGuide.org its on

http://makuchaku.info/amnesty built two months earlier.

I do like to help on doc.ubuntu.com project

[duffman25]

Chua,

Sorry to hear like this

Take care man.

Today i spoted this link. I have made guide based on UbuntuGuide.org its on

http://makuchaku.info/amnesty built two months earlier.

I do like to help on doc.ubuntu.com project

Yours looks very good (nice website). It would be great if all contributors helped to do one guide, to avoid duplicating efforts. And it would be awesome if you could include it in the official documentation.

[heart_reaver]

Yours looks very good (nice website). It would be great if all contributors helped to do one guide, to avoid duplicating efforts. And it would be awesome if you could include it in the official documentation.


How can i do that

[Glass Casket]

Is there a Kubuntu guide similar to the Ubuntu Guide listed at: http://www.ubuntuguide.org Or can that guide be used for both Gnome and KDE?

[duffman25]

How can i do that

I suggest talking to the other people doing the other guide. Then, you could also contact the documentation team.

[heart_reaver]

thnaks for info.

[nordmann]

I'm so sorry to hear of your health problems. I just turned 40, and sure enough, within one week my back had given out, so I can sympathize.

I'd love to help with anything I can, but I'd rate myself maybe one step above the "newbie" level in my knowledge of of the material we seek to generate. I'm an applications developer specializing in J2EE development. The development and management of systems is well outside my realm of expertise. So I'm afraid I won't be of much use as a content author.

What I can offer is my editing skills. I have very good written communication skills in English, and sufficient knowledge of Norwegian and German to be able to translate to English from those languages. In a pinch I could also do an adequate job translating into Norwegian from either English or German.

So, let me know if I can help in any way, and I thank you for all your hard work to-date!

--Erik

[xbaez]

I offered free hosting to the www.ubuntuguide.org website and haven't heard any kind of response

What happened with the guide?
there has been so many discussion and I only want to know why the URL isn't pointing to a n URL designed for Breezy

Regards

[orvils]

Ubuntu Guide at EasyLinux.info (http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu) has been translated to polish.

I have talked with heart_reaver about merging our two guides and he has agreed to add his ideas and some parts of his guide to my guide at easylinux.info.

As for the domain name, Chua has agreed to point it to the new guide, but he whants us to add his Google ads in the new guide, but that has some problems, as wiki doesn't allow you to use javascript. I have sent him some suggestions, but he has not replied yet.

We are having little problems with wiki-vandalism, so soon our policy will get a bit closed. Unregistred users will not be able to creat new accounts, you will have to ask registred users to do that for you.


Update: As for the help, you can suggest some new ideas, help fixing typos ang grammer mistakes or simply help to spread the word, so people know where to loog for help

[krampo]

As for now Ubuntuguide @ http://easylinux.info/wiki/ubuntu has Latvian, Russian, Polish translations. Traditional Chinese is in progress...

We are looking forward to find people who are willing to participate in EasyLinux.info by translating the guide into other languages or by checking out translated versions for any mistakes.

The site is hosted by Latvian Academic Network and is maintained by Linux Center of University of Latvia - so it's here to stay for a long time!
Ubuntuguide reborn @ EasyLinux.info (http://easylinux.info/wiki/ubuntu)

[cvmostert]

Sorry to hear, hope you feel better soon.

I am willing to help in translating into Afrikaans.

Take Care,
C