Pathetic

[tobyadams]

Again, this just thing just keeps dissapointing, installing on a laptop, clean install and the installer gets stuck at the point that it tries to sync with time servers... but haven't set up the wireless yet... whats up with that. Ubuntu should be in BETA for at least the next 40 years.

[kostkon]

ah, just one more thing. With a title like that, I think that we don't really need you on board. Thanks for passing by
Oh, well, I believe that's not an appropriate reply. Everyone is welcome here.


Again, this just thing just keeps dissapointing, installing on a laptop, clean install and the installer gets stuck at the point that it tries to sync with time servers... but haven't set up the wireless yet... whats up with that. Ubuntu should be in BETA for at least the next 40 years.
You could try to use the Alternate Install CD to install Ubuntu then.

[900donuts]

calm down and don't insult everyone else's favorite OS (your just asking for people to label you a troll and ignore you)

you need to tell us what kind of laptop and internet connection you have (but still follow kostkons the alternate cd install should work in most situations where the live cd fails)

[Chriis]

MMmmm I do not comment,..

But I found someting VERY pathetic instead,...the speed i can get to download
the FABULOUS HardyHeron

Jeeeez,...46 kB/sec

nooooooo i'm crying:(:(:(


Be happy every one,..and Respect!

Chriis

[crjackson]

Again, this just thing just keeps dissapointing, installing on a laptop, clean install and the installer gets stuck at the point that it tries to sync with time servers... but haven't set up the wireless yet... whats up with that. Ubuntu should be in BETA for at least the next 40 years.

You make it hard to be nice, and you aren't asking for any sepcific help. Why don't you repost with a propper title, specific questions, and a decent attitude. If that's too much trouble then perhaps you aren't ready to learn just yet.

[kutjara]

Again, this just thing just keeps dissapointing, installing on a laptop, clean install and the installer gets stuck at the point that it tries to sync with time servers... but haven't set up the wireless yet... whats up with that. Ubuntu should be in BETA for at least the next 40 years.

Unacceptable! You should definitely ask for your money back. Oh, wait...

[noshellswill]

Gawdsakes give the whiner a break. Sounds just like me when I first logedON and nothing worked. Big fan of LTS_versions. I'm preparing new kit for HH.

Now for Whiner .... here's the casual lusrs rule. Arrogance will get you nowhere with Ubuntu. You can't do what you want to do. Your childlike desires are of NO interest to Ubuntu. Give them up.

Instead, use what works. Adapt, adjust. Move on.

[IHATEDLINK]

Unacceptable! You should definitely ask for your money back. Oh, wait...

I love you
LOL

[jpyanowski]

Ok Toby I've read all of your seven posts. You are NOT a happy camper. What are the specs on your lappy? What kind of network are you trying to join? Why are you using Samba? Are you a casual or serious user? Just some random thoughts.:-\"

[justin whitaker]

post a bug on launchpad. Otherwise, don't complain.

Wow, how exactly are you in compliance with the CoC?

Be respectful of all users at all times. This means please use etiquette and politeness. Treat people with kindness and gentleness. If you do this the rest of the code of conduct won't need more than a cursory mention.

Maybe it is your type we don't need here?

[lazyart]

MMmmm I do not comment,..

But I found someting VERY pathetic instead,...the speed i can get to download
the FABULOUS HardyHeron

Jeeeez,...46 kB/sec

nooooooo i'm crying:(:(:(


Be happy every one,..and Respect!

Chriis

Chris,

Use a torrent. On the last release day I hit speeds in excess of 10x that amount.

[tobyadams]

Okay, just to clarify my rather childish comments before. The story with me and Ubuntu goes back to the days when I did my RHCT qualification. I was learning about Linux for the first time, and from an administrative enterprise perspective it (Red Hat) is fantastic. But I then got into the (then coming of age) "desktop os" of which Ubuntu was the most hyped with the best support. Where it got me were the fundamental little things it simply failed to do correctly. Example, I had a Toshiba Protégé A100 on which went Ubuntu (6.06 I believe) as a clean install. You couldn’t resize the install box to press the next buttons, so a text-based install followed. Then, pressing the shut-down resulted in seeing the boot scripts in a terminal session and then nothing, 4 seconds on the power button was the only way to turn it off. These were things that simply didn’t classify as a “user friendly os”.

So, I then went back to XP and have really tried to use every copy of Ubuntu ever since, but after about 2 weeks after release, I move on and wait another 6 months for the next release hoping the improved kernel would iron out the random freezing issues I had always had on various different hardware configurations.

So, I do know remedial action for most of these issues, but the fact is that I shouldn’t have to. The product is being masqueraded around as being easy, simple and all the rest of it, but in my opinion it just simply isn’t yet, but that’s not to say that one day it will most definitely be a viable competitor to the more main$tream os’ available.

But moving forward now, I have several projects running at the moment that are trying to adopt Linux as a trial, simply for end user feedback. I am a teacher in the UK that teaches Vendor ICT (Standard ICT lessons with a mixture of Vendor qualifications such as CCNA, MCTS, MOS, ITEss that make up GCSE’s and AS/A2 qualifications for KS3/4/5 students) and I have a classroom of about 45 computers. On 3 of these I will soon be doing a clean install of Ubuntu 8.04 for the simple reason to get feedback from my students. What it’s like to do coursework on, web browsing, stability, what they think of it as complete novice. I think this will be the best test of current stature of the os, plus ticks plenty of boxes for my upcoming annual review even if the whole thing is a complete failure 

I'm always looking for new ideas in ICT and I think Ubuntu is the strongest channel at the moment, but I'm just waiting for a release that lives up to all the hype and has the stability, that’s all.

[Kilz]

Okay, just to clarify my rather childish comments before. The story with me and Ubuntu goes back to the days when I did my RHCT qualification. I was learning about Linux for the first time, and from an administrative enterprise perspective it (Red Hat) is fantastic. But I then got into the (then coming of age) "desktop os" of which Ubuntu was the most hyped with the best support. Where it got me were the fundamental little things it simply failed to do correctly. Example, I had a Toshiba Protégé A100 on which went Ubuntu (6.06 I believe) as a clean install. You couldn’t resize the install box to press the next buttons, so a text-based install followed. Then, pressing the shut-down resulted in seeing the boot scripts in a terminal session and then nothing, 4 seconds on the power button was the only way to turn it off. These were things that simply didn’t classify as a “user friendly os”.

So, I then went back to XP and have really tried to use every copy of Ubuntu ever since, but after about 2 weeks after release, I move on and wait another 6 months for the next release hoping the improved kernel would iron out the random freezing issues I had always had on various different hardware configurations.

So, I do know remedial action for most of these issues, but the fact is that I shouldn’t have to. The product is being masqueraded around as being easy, simple and all the rest of it, but in my opinion it just simply isn’t yet, but that’s not to say that one day it will most definitely be a viable competitor to the more main$tream os’ available.

But moving forward now, I have several projects running at the moment that are trying to adopt Linux as a trial, simply for end user feedback. I am a teacher in the UK that teaches Vendor ICT (Standard ICT lessons with a mixture of Vendor qualifications such as CCNA, MCTS, MOS, ITEss that make up GCSE’s and AS/A2 qualifications for KS3/4/5 students) and I have a classroom of about 45 computers. On 3 of these I will soon be doing a clean install of Ubuntu 8.04 for the simple reason to get feedback from my students. What it’s like to do coursework on, web browsing, stability, what they think of it as complete novice. I think this will be the best test of current stature of the os, plus ticks plenty of boxes for my upcoming annual review even if the whole thing is a complete failure 

I'm always looking for new ideas in ICT and I think Ubuntu is the strongest channel at the moment, but I'm just waiting for a release that lives up to all the hype and has the stability, that’s all.

What you are doing is comparing apples to oranges. Ubuntu and Linux in general is like taking a Microsoft Windows XP disk, not the restore disk your computer maker gives you, not the preinstalled windows that is all setup by the computer manufacturer, the one you can buy off the shelves and installing it.
Is it going to be a flawless install? No. You are going to have to hunt down drivers, config things, reboot 5 dozen times. All this on something you are completely familiar with that you have done before.
Now take someone who has never ran windows and put them in front of the computer with that disk. Do you think they could do it without help?

Now compare how that install is to Ubuntu.

I also dont recommend new users install releases less than a month old. Why? Because there is a different mind set in a Linux release. Linux is released not when its flawless. But when its usable. The community then helps find bugs and fix and polish it to perfection. Windows cant be that way because you have no access to the code.

Lastly I will leave you with some reading (http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm). :) In case you dont quite get what I am saying, Point 5 is really on point..

[Lateralis]

I think the main issue here is that the average computer user has over the years been spoilt by Microsoft and it's i'll-take-you-by-the-hand-and-show-you-how-to-do-everything approach. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, per se, but when you're presented by something that requires even a minimal amount of thought, people get scared and go running back to whatever they know best. I was guilty of doing something similar in my undergraduate days: I've since come to appreciate Origin as being a fantastic and incredibly powerful plotting programme, but as a first year it was new and scary so I went back to what I was familiar with, namely Excel. The same is true of operating systems - Ubuntu for most people is new and novel and it will take a bit of effort to fully aquaint yourself with its intricacies and novelties. But once you are familiar with Ubuntu, it is actually very stable and a nice experience. But to get there, some time and effort may need to be spent - time and effort most people are either too lazy or unable to devote.

All that being said, I do in part agree with some of what you have said. I do not believe in the alternative installation CD. Ubuntu should either work or not with the LiveCD. But even taking account of that and its other flaws, Ubutnu is entirely free, the software it comes with is entirely free, and there are software repositories out there with thousands of programmes which are... entirely free. In all honesty, I cannot think of another product in the whole world that is totally free, yet is as good and is as high quality as Ubuntu. I for one am not going to look this gift horse in the mouth.

[cybercookie72]

wow...you are really an unhappy peep.

I hope you are able to get your laptop working (I have a dell laptop and I had to change out the wifi card to get it working)...but first you need to give Ubuntu and the community a try (i.e. don't just toss a burned CD at a machine and toss up your hands at the first sign of hardship...)

I just installed 8.04 on my desktop and ended up with the grub error 22...after a few hours in the forums [THANKS GUYS FOR THE WHISPERS AND SUCH] I used the livecd to change an entry and BOOM all is good.

I am not saying every problem will be solved that fast or be that easy...but I am saying use the community ... make friends ... learn something new ... calm down and HAVE FUN. if you are new to Linux you should NEVER install Linux on your one and only computer ... use a 2nd comp or dual boot.

I am glad you are a teacher ... god knows we need brave people like yourself ... but as you know all those "qualifications" and all the schooling you have gone through becomes outdated fairly fast (i.e. they normally do not mean much for long). I too have many letters after my name ... and all they do is open some doors in life, you have to take the initiative to move forward.

You really sound like you are closed minded on this thread (I am sure you are just frustrated) and I would hope that you don't push that attitude on to your students. I helped bring Ubuntu to my college and it is spreading like wildfire (the west side of the campus has been infected by Linux and it does not seem to be stopping). It works...and lives up to the hype..and yes in many cases takes some thought and research to get things up and running, but doesn't Microsoft's product?

Sorry about the book but your post kinda ruffled my feathers.

Here is the bottom line....Linux is free but it is not just an OS, it is a community and if you don't use both hand in hand then you are most likely going to have a bad time of it ... well unless you know EVERYTHING lol. All OS's have downsides and none of them have "no problem" installs all the time.

Good luck with your adventures in Linux and in your next post ... try to be a little more up beat/informative and less insulting/inflammatory. So, if you really do want Ubuntu on your machine ... how about tossing us a bone...:popcorn: