lumiera

[homy06]

I just heard about the project Lumiera.

its a revamp of cinelerra from the ground up to be more usable and better looking.

its still an infant but definitely something to keep your eye on as a Non linear video editor

i personally still have to use another OS just for video editing. its a bummer


i think we linux users need to show all other OSes who their daddy is.

i mean c'mon shake was originally for linux before apple bought them out.

their site is http://www.lumiera.org

[Sean4000]

Hello there,

I too have been keeping my eye on this baby for a while now and it looks very promising. From what I can gather, the engine is well under way and the GUI is up for grabs.

This is finally what Linux has been screaming for. Ardour is a VERY impressive piece of software for audio. We already own the VFX industry, now let's show editing the power of open source!!!!!

[keykero]

It's in good hands. The developers involved are very sharp (they are mostly the ones who produce the Community Version of Cinelerra -- the version that is actually stable & usable) and they are looking to create something that professional video editors will use every day. You can follow along with the thought processes & proposals here:

http://www.pipapo.org/pipawiki/Lumiera/DesignProcess

[homy06]

thanks.

any idea of when it might come out? rough ideas of course like 09 or maybe late 08?

pretty soon we can be like

someone "oh you edit your own films? looks good, you must have used a mac"

me "oh no, i'm not just messing around, i use linux"

pretentious? sure, but definately not as bad as mac fanboys

[Sean4000]

This is what we've been waiting for.

I can see the day when Lumiera takes on Avid/FCP/Premiere. Finally we'll have it all. Blender will trounce 3DS and Maya. Ardour will leave Nuendo, and ProTools in the dust. And Pixel/Krita/GIMP will make Photoshop a thing of the past.

Linux will reign!

[keykero]

It will be some time before there is even an alpha version for testing, but if you follow the lists or related documents, you can see that a lot of planning is going into this to get it right the first time. The devs truly wish to avoid mistakes that other projects have made. And you're right, it's likely that the final Lumiera will be on the level of a Final Cut Pro or an Avid solution. At least that's the goal.

[homy06]

so not even early 09 you think?

[Sean4000]

I'm guessing Late '08 we'll see some alphas at the earliest. Maybe working demo betas in early '09.

If there is anyway I can join this project and speed it along I will.

[Sean4000]

Letting this app cook in the development pot as long as possible will only benefit us. However, Linux is hungry (ravenous) for an NLE so dinner better be served soon.

[Sean4000]

I am working on my concept image for a splash screen for Lumiera.

[homy06]

awesome. by the way sean, those are some nice pc specs, what do you use to edit video (OS and software and camera)? and how much was that rig? I want build the same thing (i'm waiting for true quad cores from intel though).

i'm on a p4 and 2gig ram, i'm using xp with vegas, on a dvx100b. love the dvx btw.

i tried cinelerra again, its nicer when you use likeable formats like raw dv, but its still sketchy.

[Sean4000]

I use OME, KDENLive, Cinelerra, Kino, and Lives. All of them are garbage compared to Avid, FCP, and Premiere. I hate all of them. That's why I'm putting so much hope in Lumiera.

This rig cost me about $3000USD actually. Ram is dirt cheap now, as are HDDs. The hardest part was finding the right motherboard. This Tyan model is fabulous. I had to wait until the 8000series of cards was officially supported by ubuntu, thus xubuntu.

My concept image. If anyone can connect me to a Lumiera developer I would appreciate it. I want to see if they'll make this a splash screen image somewhere in the app.

I call it "Feeding The Baby Tux"

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v238/239/43/45701421/n45701421_31291768_5956.jpg

[Sean4000]

When the software doesn't cost a thing and works better than off the shelf apps...life is good!

[Sean4000]

I have access to an HVX200, and a DVX100b as well. I also have a palmcorder that plays nice with Kino.

[homy06]

nice. have you considered temporarly moving to windows or using the mac x86 (if it works for you, the drivers didn't for me)?

I think by the time linux is ready your hardware might be on the lower to medium end. just a suggestion.

I really like your splash btw, never seen that concept put to use so well. have you tried joining the IRC channel? its your best bet i think

[Sean4000]

lol, NEVER will I return to Windows of any form. I am going to get a decent Apple machine for FCP/AVID and use that to chop my film in the mean time.

I have no clue how to use an IRC channel though.

[homy06]

hah I don't either.

[bayvista]

Great news! I have struggled with Cinelerra and Kino and welcome something really good.

[Sean4000]

This is going to be big. Linux has starved for this type of app forever now.

[Sean4000]

They must want only the most serious of developers to get in on this. I can't find many ways in.

This had better be good.

[-Curtains-]

I'm actually quite keen to do some work for the icons for this but I'm not sure who to contact or if anyone's already working on 'em...

[Sean4000]

Hey,

I am sure they could use the help but they don't have an avenue in. What a bummer.

[Sean4000]

I think they should rename this the Manhattan project because if it is as big as they say, this could very well be the nuclear bomb to Avid and FCP.

[Sean4000]

http://lumiera.org/

The website is evolving, check it out!

[homy06]

I hope its native to ubuntu. I hate having to compile it or using alien command to get it to migrate to ubuntu, they say it works the same as the distro its meant to work on, but it never does. I wish people would be more honest about that. they should just say "yea its meant for rpm so yea I guess you can get to work on .deb but its going to be sketchy" (obviously some programs migrate better than others)

[Sean4000]

I was so disappointed that smoke and flint were rpm files and also could not run on AMD64 architecture. That is total bull. They needed i386 to run. Alien could not help me, sadly.

Lumiera is going to explode. I do not care what any "analyst" or Avid/FCP fan says. Lumiera (NLE) + Blender (Animation) + Ardour (Audio) = I never touch a Windows PC again as long as I live.

[kepardue]

This does look awesome. My dependence on Final Cut Pro (and probably my lesser inclination to bang random commands out in a terminal that I won't remember next week) are keeping me away from using Ubuntu for work use. Couple this with a replacement for DVD Studio Pro (does anything exist?) and the sound editing programs mentioned before and things look very prosperous for a complete front-to-end Linux-based work environment for creative professionals.

[chillyair]

awesome
I really hope that this turns out to be what everyone is expecting. And please, don't use those awful effects icons from cinelerra. They make me want to throw up everytime i see them

[Sean4000]

Fortunately they seem to be redesigning everything. I mean EVERYTHING!

I plan to use this software extensively when I re-remaster Star Trek The Original Series. The project is called ST:TOS-R 2.0. It has already begun but I need an editor for my Linux station when it comes time to start putting this all together.

[homy06]

Hey guys. I joined the IRC channel (not too difficult to do)

My method using pidgin.

create a new acct under IRC pick a screen name. I connected with the server irc.freenode.org, but I think you can just join with the default irc.ubuntu.com.

then it'll ask you to verify your screen name. type /nick (your nickname)
then to join lumiera channel its /join #lumiera

that should get you in. Nice people, they said beta wouldn't be out in early 09.
that's a bummer, but I guess when it does come out it'll be good.
I wish I had money to burn like a lot of rich a-holes. I would definately pay these people to development a kickass free NLE.

[Sean4000]

I think they'll get a kick out of my artwork pic.

[Sean4000]

Homy06,

Good detective work. I'm going to chat with them when I get off of work later this evening.

[Sean4000]

can't get on freenode. going to bed.

[Sean4000]

We have to help this project along in any way we can. Please take the time to talk to the freenode group and share ideas. That way we can all benefit from the collaborative effort.

[Sean4000]

Here's a small clip of the early version of the GUI I found on the developer's forum. It is from June 19th and has surely changed but it's a nice tidbit.

[homy06]

ughhhhh.... I hope they learn from their mistakes. i mean that's a clean setup, but it looks like a poor man's adobe premiere rip off. They really need to step it up and go the extra mile to make it completely user friendly yet professional

[Sean4000]

ughhhhh.... I hope they learn from their mistakes. i mean that's a clean setup, but it looks like a poor man's adobe premiere rip off. They really need to step it up and go the extra mile to make it completely user friendly yet professional

True, but this is pre-alpha so I don't know what to expect.

[homy06]

yea no i get it, its really early and thanks for posting, but in the end I want adobe/fcp people to say wow I wish we thought of that. Instead of linux end users saying well at least its free, or hey for the price its a good comparison.