Ubuntu DVDs

[glenn45]

Mga tsong, kung sakaling magbenta ako ng mga ubuntu dvds ng 7.04 feisty fawn, 7.10 i386 at amd64, gutsy gibbon, may bibili kaya? At legal kaya yun magbenta? Na mirror ko na kasi ang repositories sa hard disk ko...hehe.
Just asking around. :guitar:

[brownknight]

Its ok to sell them for a profit. If I where in the Philippines I will buy them if I dont have a DSL connection so I say go ahead.

[pmcastillo]

Para sa akin you could sell it...

BUT in the price of the CD, CD-Burning, Case, Delivery, Internet, Electricity, etc...

Hindi yung mismong software yung nilalagyan mo ng "presyo"....

Medyo shallow pa pagkaintindi ko sa Open Source, pero ganito:

Licensed kase yung Ubuntu ng GPL...

Parang ganito sya, "Ku ano yung priviledges nakuha mo, dapat ganun din yung ibibigay mo"

So yung mga priviledges na nakuha mo upon getting Ubuntu is libre sya at open yung source code

So pag pinamigay mo sa iba ganun din dapat yung priveledges nila: libre at open-source


PERO!


Dahil ikaw ang gumastos nung CD, CD-Burning, Case, Delivery, Internet, Electricity, etc... (at hindi naman eto sakop ng GPL). May "K" kang magbenta ng Ubuntu CDs...


Well, eto yung "shallow" na pagkakaintindi ko about open-source

[glenn45]

Thanks for the Info Guys. :guitar:

Parang may dalang 'service' na rin kasi to eh. Yung balak ko kasi papalaganapin yung ubuntu users dun sa probinsya namin. Eh, kalimitan, lagi wala namang dsl na connection o di kaya, wala talaga internet na subscription kaya mahirap kumuha ng softwares sa ubuntu repository consequently mahirap ma convince mga kakilala ko dun mag try ng linux, particularly yung ubuntu.

Kung lumaganap yung users dun, malamang kakailanganin nila yung ibat ibang linux apps kaya naisipan ko muna magtanong kung pwede nga ba mag benta o hindi.

Salamat mga bro...ha. hehehehe


:popcorn:

[raxso]

in my own opinion you can sell it. kasi gumastos ka namn para sa kuryente at cd.

``Free software'' is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of ``free'' as in ``free speech,'' not as in ``free beer.''

You may have paid money to get copies of free software, or you may have obtained copies at no charge. But regardless of how you got your copies, you always have the freedom to copy and change the software, even to sell copies.

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/selling.html

So para sa akin pwede mo ibenta as long as yung software ay retained pa rin ang rights.

[echo2knight]

in my own opinion you can sell it. kasi gumastos ka namn para sa kuryente at cd.

``Free software'' is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of ``free'' as in ``free speech,'' not as in ``free beer.''

You may have paid money to get copies of free software, or you may have obtained copies at no charge. But regardless of how you got your copies, you always have the freedom to copy and change the software, even to sell copies.

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/selling.html

So para sa akin pwede mo ibenta as long as yung software ay retained pa rin ang sites.

I totally agree. GPL license means that the software is free to distribute, alter, even sell. You can do to it whatever you pleases, as long as kasama pa rin yung code.

Wala namang masama kung ibebenta mo. If people dont want to buy it, and settle for downloads. Thay can do whatever they like.

Binibigyan mo lang nman sila ng options e.

[tagabukid]

being in a place with no high speed internet access (mahal pa ng bandwidth! P10 per 30 min.) ill buy one.. magkano po (kasama shipping)?

[killer_d76]

if i were in your province and i don't have an internet connection (sa province kasi namin having a landline took years to complete, internet connection pa kaya.. sigh..), not to mention having a computer capable of writing/burning a DVD requires deep pocket or unlimited credit card.. wala pa OS yun huh!.. i'd rather buy that CD installer from you, but it'll take some marketing skills to sell those in the province, naka-mind-set na kasi sa tao yung "ang computer ay naka- Window$ lang" but with ubuntu with compiz enabled, you could sell that very easy!, and it will sell like hot pandesal!!.. just make sure that you will inform them that the OS is free and can be updated online, kasi if they found it that it is a free Software baka masira ka pa sa kanila :( ... just my opinion.

[Jucato]

What kind of DVD are you actually trying to sell? Coipes of the DVD installer ba? or parang packaged DVD repository? If repositories, ayos na concept din yan at makakatulong sa marami, something like http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/.

However I think you just have to take into account 2 important things:

1. Be careful of redistributing packages that are in the multiverse repository. Yan yung mga kaduda-dudang licenses. But I guess they're practically safe since they're in the repos.

2. Branding: Make it clear na "community project" ito, that it's not directly from Canonical and Ubuntu and that they can't hold those 2 responsible for any errors that happen. So parang ikaw ngayon ang may responsibility and liability. But since you're probably distributing it locally, madali ka naman makakapag-offer ng support (pwede rin pagkakitaan yan).

It would be best if you also get in contact with the Ubuntu Marketing team for trademark/marketing policies: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam

Yun lang po masasabi ko (kahit na napakahaba).

Good luck with your venture. I'm sure maraming matutulungan nyan! :D

[yssida]

In my opinion, pwede ka magcharge para sa software mismo. The GPL guarantees that. But the question is, would it be moral/ethical to sell something which you acquired gratis? Opinion ko lang po

[jsgotangco]

There is no moral/ethical question about selling the CD. After all, you are selling the service you made by burning those CDs, packaging, etc. and redistributing them and not selling the software itself.

If you are marketing the software as something you built yourself, that's a different thing.

If you are selling the discs at a fair price and I bought one from you, then I asked for the source, you are obliged to provide me the source, either as a disc or point me to the place I can grab them.

Before, when RedHat was selling RH packages, they were basically selling the packaging and provided the source so you don't have to do it yourself since you may not have bandwidth, at the same time, they bundled 90 day phone support and some cool stickers.

[yssida]

I guess you are right, my bad.

But then, that thought had always occurred to me, would it be right charging for something one acquires freely? But as long as you are providing the service of mirroring the repos on disc (which I think can be considered 'service', or that you provide support) then charge away!

[chicodj]

hi, if you believe in Ubuntu spirit much better if you give it free kung afford mo yung cost of cd/dvd, pero syempre possible nman na hindi mo afford lalo na kung marami pero naniniwala ka pa rin sa Ubuntu spirit at gusto mo talaga na i-share sa iba, ok lang na benta mo sa for the cost ng cd/dvd. Ayos yan plan mo to share Ubuntu to your place. imho

[exkludge]

@glenn45,

ang pagkaalam ko may gumagawa na nito.. ganun din, yung resources na ginamit at yung siguro pagod lang ang pinababayaran nila at hindi yung software. i think thats fare enough.... kaya lang abroad yung vendor e. kaya pag dito ka sa pinas.. baka di practical yung shipping cost.

to make it short... magkano ang "your product" cost + shipping cost?

naghanap na ako nito dati eh http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=650252

[glenn45]

being in a place with no high speed internet access (mahal pa ng bandwidth! P10 per 30 min.) ill buy one.. magkano po (kasama shipping)?

Hello taga bukid. Anong version yung kailangan mo? Meron akong gutsy gibbon at feisty fawn(amd 64 lang) na version. Di ko pa nacompute magkano eh. Taga saan kaw? eh email na lang ako. :)

[glenn45]

hi, if you believe in Ubuntu spirit much better if you give it free kung afford mo yung cost of cd/dvd, pero syempre possible nman na hindi mo afford lalo na kung marami pero naniniwala ka pa rin sa Ubuntu spirit at gusto mo talaga na i-share sa iba, ok lang na benta mo sa for the cost ng cd/dvd. Ayos yan plan mo to share Ubuntu to your place. imho

I can't afford to give it for free. Hehe. di ko ma afford yung dvd costs eh. actually, hindi pa nga to practical gaano yung pagbenta ko nang buong 5 dvds kasi hindi naman lahat na software kakailanganin. balak ko yung mga kalimitang ginagamit lang na mga library at softwares lang ang gagawan ko ng dvd. :guitar:

[glenn45]

There is no moral/ethical question about selling the CD. After all, you are selling the service you made by burning those CDs, packaging, etc. and redistributing them and not selling the software itself.

If you are marketing the software as something you built yourself, that's a different thing.

If you are selling the discs at a fair price and I bought one from you, then I asked for the source, you are obliged to provide me the source, either as a disc or point me to the place I can grab them.

Before, when RedHat was selling RH packages, they were basically selling the packaging and provided the source so you don't have to do it yourself since you may not have bandwidth, at the same time, they bundled 90 day phone support and some cool stickers.


Thanks for the heads up, Sir! I will never claim that i built these softwares myself...im a repackager...for those who don't have the bandwith..:guitar:

[pmcastillo]

@glen

Ganda ng idea mo. Onting kwenta kwenta nalang, maco-compute mo na rin yung shipping fee... ^_^ Tapos provide ka rin ng DVDs para sa Kubuntu, at sa Edubuntu

UBUNTU - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/
KUBUNTU - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/
EDUBUNTU - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/current/
XUBUNTU - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/

Tapos onting paganda sa packaging, tapos syempre magandang quality ng blank DVD gamitin mo para reliable. Tapos ayun! Tapos in the near future, offer ka rin ng service para sa mga ibang Distros, bastat GPL license ha.

Tapos isip ka rin ng mga ways paano ka babayaran...

Cash Padala
Load ng Cellphone
or ku ano man hehe...

Tapos isip ka na rin ng maganda "Ordering System" paano maca-cater eto, palumaki na ^_^

[Laibcoms]

Charge for the service and the convenience, not the product ;)

Kung lalagyan mo ng magandang label, then charge for it too.
Kung may extras ka, then charge for it too.

As long as you dont charge for the product. Not that it isn't allowed (it's GNU GPL - but there are guidelines as to when you can charge for the product), but if you charge too much, they won't buy, coz others are giving it away for free or ma-tiyaga mag download.

:p

[glenn45]

@glen

Ganda ng idea mo. Onting kwenta kwenta nalang, maco-compute mo na rin yung shipping fee... ^_^ Tapos provide ka rin ng DVDs para sa Kubuntu, at sa Edubuntu



Tapos isip ka na rin ng maganda "Ordering System" paano maca-cater eto, palumaki na ^_^

Pakunti kunti lang muna PM! Hehhe. Siguro pag ka lumaon na itong proyekto ko at matutukan ko, gagawin ko yung mga suggestions mo. Tinitest ko muna sa mga kaibigan ko na na engganyo ko sa ubuntu. Pero siyempre available din itong mga dvds (note anim na dvd para sa gutsy gibbon, 5 para sa feisty fawn) para sa kahit sinong gusto mag request...at (dare i say it?) magbayad ng kaunti...:guitar:

Basta yung next ko na step is to create a package na andun yung mga kalimitan ginagamit at kakasya lang sa isang dvd. And for this i need ideas... :popcorn:

[glenn45]

Charge for the service and the convenience, not the product ;)

Kung lalagyan mo ng magandang label, then charge for it too.
Kung may extras ka, then charge for it too.

As long as you dont charge for the product. Not that it isn't allowed (it's GNU GPL - but there are guidelines as to when you can charge for the product), but if you charge too much, they won't buy, coz others are giving it away for free or ma-tiyaga mag download.

:p

Gandang idea yan Laibcoms...pero titingin muna ako sa mga kakagat .. yung available na market kumbaga... :)

[kureyamu]

kamusta

a message a month late i know, so perhaps this will go unread, but this topic caught my attention when i was passing

here in the uk, i bought my ubuntu dvd online

it cost me 220 pesos (that includes postage)

the seller downloaded it, burnt it to dvd, checked the midsums, and then went to the post office to post it to me

i think 220 pesos is a cheap price to pay for a good operating system

regards

kureyamu

[Nessa]

Sa laki ng sweldo mo jan, wala lang ang 220 pesos. Kaso dito, mga sobra apat na kilo na yan ng bigas hehe. If people can afford it why not. We've paid more premiums on other things for the convenience. :)