Please install CNR in ubuntu by default

[evertsfnic]

I have one question:

Please use CNR for instalation of the program it's more easier.
Install by default CNR like firefox. I think it will be a great idea for the new people. I try ubuntu and it's great but with cnr it will be better.....

CNR.com is a free one-click software delivery service designed to standardize the process and eliminate the complexity of finding, installing and managing Linux software for the most popular desktop Linux distributions, both Debian and RPM based. Please note that CNR.com is currently in beta stage.

With CNR.com you get the most extensive free resource available anywhere for desktop Linux software. Search from tens of thousands of Linux software programs, packages and libraries by title, popularity, similar software, category, or function, and with just one click install the software on to your computer.

[swoll1980]

www.getdeb.net is like cnr but uses gdebi instead of cnr your best bet is to use synaptic package manager

[Whiffle]

Is this a suggestion or an ad?

I for one have been using linux for 6 years now and have yet to see any need for CNR, or had any desire to run it. Especially with the repositories available on ubuntu.


Not to mention, there isn't a single question in this post. HMMMMM.

[p_quarles]

Moved to Recurring Discussions.

[evertsfnic]

Right now i have on my computer FREESPIRE 2.0.8, this version is base on ubuntu, but why i choose this one it's becouse the process of installing a program it's just one click away and it's not asking me if i have one file in order to install the program that i want.
I just go to cnr.com choose the app that i want make a click and that's it. I tried synaptic package manager and it's kind of ugly, and not so easy. I did not know that you have this web site "http://www.getdeb.net/" is this website like CNR (one click installation).

If other people read my post. What do you think of this idea??

I tried ubuntu 8 on my computer and everything went good, no problem only wiith my video card. Keep the good work, and with every release you are gettting better.......
(sorry for my english i am not from the usa, i am from nicaragua)

(i have tried a lot of linux distro and you are one of the top 5)

Thanks for your answer....

[compiledkernel]

CNR is not widely accepted as a viable installation medium by the community as a whole.

Let me re-iterate the current forum policy on 3rd party package management and scripting applications --

http://ubuntuforums.org/announcement.php?f=13/

Cheers.

[niteshifter]

Thanks ... but no thanks. I like that what I get from the repos has been vetted by upstream devs, will work well with the rest of what's there - and most importantly - with what I've already installed.

Point #2: How, pray tell, is cnr "easier", I've got to download their client. If I want "premium" service, I have to pay for it. Synaptic / apt / Adept is already installed and it's free (as in beer) and Free (as in libre).

Then there's this part of the deal:
According to the new Linspire CEO, Larry Kettler, Linspire is "excited to release the beta version of CNR.com." This is a "free service that provides desktop Linux users one-click access to thousands of free and commercial software applications."
Source: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5459359089.html

Everybody gets to make up their own minds and all, but I'd think very carefully about using them.

[evertsfnic]

This forum is great.... You don't have to wait 1 hour to get and answer..... Thanks .........

:guitar::guitar::guitar:

[S3Indiana]

CNR is not widely accepted as a viable installation medium by the community as a whole.I would be interested in access to the data that supports that hypothesis (choice is good)...

[spamzilla]

Ugh no please don't...

We already have the terminal, synaptics and Add/remove programs which all point towards the Ubuntu repos and works fine. We don't need some 3rd party app which could potentially be dangerous.

[rasmus91]

About using CNR to install, i thought we had the Deb site, and over synaptics package manager to cover that... i haven't had any software yet i couldn't find using either of these services.

(you can also find the things you need through www.google.com =D )

[S3Indiana]

We already have the terminal, synaptics and Add/remove programs which all point towards the Ubuntu repos and works fine. We don't need some 3rd party app which could potentially be dangerous.There are no differences in the repositories that are used (exact mirror of native repositories). CNR works fine in conjunction with those other tools. It's still apt at the core...

[compiledkernel]

I would be interested in access to the data that supports that hypothesis (choice is good)...

The burden of such proof is on you for us (not vice versa), S3Indiana, to prove that CNR (a non native application to any ubuntu install) is viable. If you have evidence that the community as a whole embraces CNR as a viable installation candidate, then please share such data with us. We would certainly like to help you , and get your application where it needs to be, likely in its own 3rd party support forum, being its a 3rd party application that requires such support.

As previously stated my only two gripes about using the product are simple.

1). Dated software - many packages are 2 or 3 versions behind.
2). 64bit support - none

So if you have evidence that refutes either of the 3 point discussed here, please share.

[Foster Grant]

If you want to get really picky about this, Ubuntu already has a graphical software-fetch client — a couple, in fact (the Add/Remove app on the Applications menu and Synaptic itself). The need for yet another has not been proven.

There's nothing in CNR's archives that's not already in the Ubuntu repositories and based on my past experience with the company that runs Linspire/Freespire/CNR, I think I'd rather not have any part of anything they want to do.

[compiledkernel]

Many people take stake with the dated packages that CNR contains. In many cases, what is in the repository for your distribution of Ubuntu, dates ahead of the actual CNR versions. An example of this in the classic sense is Gimp, or even more disconcerting is Apache (in this case the versioning used is considered vulnerable).

Gimp CNR Versioning -- 2.2.13-1ubuntu4.3
Gutsy Versioning -- 2.4.2-0ubuntu0.7.10.1

Apache CNR Versioning -- 1.3.34-4.1
Gutsy Versioning -- 2.2.4-3ubuntu0.1

So to call CNR an exact mirror of the same repository is a rather misleading statement.

[Foster Grant]

Many people take stake with the dated packages that CNR contains. In many cases, what is in the repository for your distribution of Ubuntu, dates ahead of the actual CNR versions. An example of this in the classic sense is Gimp, or even more disconcerting is Apache (in this case the versioning used is considered vulnerable).

Gimp CNR Versioning -- 2.2.13-1ubuntu4.3
Gutsy Versioning -- 2.4.2-0ubuntu0.7.10.1

Apache CNR Versioning -- 1.3.34-4.1
Gutsy Versioning -- 2.2.4-3ubuntu0.1

So to call CNR an exact mirror of the same repository is a rather misleading statement.

That should be enough to end the thread. And for that matter, to end anybody's interest in CNR.:)

[SunnyRabbiera]

well CNR was supposed to be ported over, but Linspire sold out to microsoft so who knows now

[spamzilla]

That should be enough to end the thread. And for that matter, to end anybody's interest in CNR.:)

:lolflag::lolflag::lolflag:

I quite agree! It is quite shocking how an "exact" mirror of Ubuntu's repos is so far behind, and with that, there goes all of their creditability!

[Vadi]

No advertising of commercial services, please.

Lets keep the default Ubuntu free.

[S3Indiana]

The burden of such proof is on you for us (not vice versa), S3Indiana, to prove that CNR (a non native application to any ubuntu install) is viable. If you have evidence that the community as a whole embraces CNR as a viable installation candidate, then please share such data with us. We would certainly like to help you , and get your application where it needs to be, likely in its own 3rd party support forum, being its a 3rd party application that requires such support.As briefed at The Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit (http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Desktop_April_Summit_2008_Agenda) there have been over 750,000 successful installations at CNR.com of which ubuntu CNR Clients have done a significant percentage. As an analogy what percentage of of the millions of ubuntu users visit these forums???

As previously stated my only two gripes about using the product are simple.

1). Dated software - many packages are 2 or 3 versions behind.See below...
2). 64bit support - noneCNR Client (http://cnr.com/product/productSpecifications.seam?productId=30782) (Version: 0.2.3777-0cnr1~hardy1) for 64-bit OS...

Many people take stake with the dated packages that CNR contains. In many cases, what is in the repository for your distribution of Ubuntu, dates ahead of the actual CNR versions. An example of this in the classic sense is Gimp, or even more disconcerting is Apache (in this case the versioning used is considered vulnerable).

Gimp CNR Versioning -- 2.2.13-1ubuntu4.3
Gutsy Versioning -- 2.4.2-0ubuntu0.7.10.1Available via CNR:
Ubuntu 7.04 gimp 2.2.13-1ubuntu4.4
Ubuntu 7.10 gimp 2.4.2-0ubuntu0.7.10.1
Ubuntu 8.04 gimp 2.4.5-1ubuntu2
64-bit gimp 2.4.5-1ubuntu2
Appears in some cases CNR is more up-to-date...
Apache CNR Versioning -- 1.3.34-4.1
Gutsy Versioning -- 2.2.4-3ubuntu0.1From a default installation of ubuntu 7.10:
ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ apt-cache policy apache
apache:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: (none)
Version table:
Possibly could have done something incorrectly, but doubt it; however, you bring up a valid point about the version available in CNR and it deserves some further investigation (Note: CNR is designed as a desktop installation tool, so server packages aren't truly remaining on-topic)...

So to call CNR an exact mirror of the same repository is a rather misleading statement.Stand by the statement that the packages in CNR are the same as the default native repositories...

So if you have evidence that refutes either of the 3 point discussed here, please share.Evidence provided, but only you can believe...

I would pray for the sake of the community that a moderator would take the high road and complete research prior to posting inaccurate information (providing solutions for all users should be the goal - like updating apache)...

[S3Indiana]

No advertising of commercial services, please.Like this (https://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=19)...

[loell]

not gonna happen, besides CNR development might die soon together with linspire,

http://kevincarmony.blogspot.com/2008/04/truth-is-treason-in-linspires-empire-of.html

[spamzilla]

Like this (https://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=19)...

That credit card "ad" does not redirect you to another site and it simply shows you how you can pay for those items on that page. What's wrong with that?

[Vadi]

The Canonical shop is disabled by default. Hence, you can consider it as non-existent.

vadi@ubuntu:~$ apt-cache policy apache2
apache2:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 2.2.4-3ubuntu0.1
Version table:
2.2.4-3ubuntu0.1 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/main Packages
500 http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/main Packages
2.2.4-3build1 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages
vadi@ubuntu:~$


Yes, Ubuntu doesn't provide very outdated software. It provides up-to-date and secure software, as evidenced above.

Yes, Linspire, Inc. is doing a good job at disillusioning it's customers. They failed with their commercial Linspire distribution, so are now focusing on leeching clients off Ubuntu via CnR. You're quite right there!

[Redrazor39]

Ugh no please don't...

We already have the terminal, synaptics and Add/remove programs which all point towards the Ubuntu repos and works fine. We don't need some 3rd party app which could potentially be dangerous.

I agree. We already have plenty. It's almost as if we need to unify some of what we have

[Vadi]

In fact it is dangerous - they use make use of SUID's, which if you google it, the third article will say "Lesson Seven -- Don't use SUID shell scripts. Even after all our work, it is nearly impossible to create safe SUID shell scripts.", said by "Thomas Akin has worked in Information Security for almost a decade and specializes in UNIX, Network, and Internet security. In addition to the CISSP, he has four UNIX and three Networking certifications. Most of his time is spent developing Information Security training programs, teaching, and writing.".

That should be more than enough...

[S3Indiana]

vadi@ubuntu:~$ apt-cache policy apache2
apache2:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 2.2.4-3ubuntu0.1
Version table:
2.2.4-3ubuntu0.1 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com (http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/) gutsy-updates/main Packages
500 http://security.ubuntu.com (http://security.ubuntu.com/) gutsy-security/main Packages
2.2.4-3build1 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com (http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/) gutsy/main Packages
Yes, Ubuntu doesn't provide very outdated software. It provides up-to-date and secure software, as evidenced above.So does CNR.com (http://cnr.com/index.html). Available via CNR.com:
apache2 (http://cnr.com/product/productSpecifications.seam?productId=15024) (packaging 101: a different package than previously posted (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4698341#post4698341))
Ubuntu 7.04 Version 2.2.3-3.2ubuntu2.1
Ubuntu 7.10 Version 2.2.4-3ubuntu0.1
Ubuntu 8.04 Version 2.2.8-1
64-bit Version 2.2.8-1
Once again CNR has at least the same (as in the native repository) and in some cases a more updated version; a little research goes a long way...

[Vadi]

Now tell me what would server admin be installing Apache through cnr? :)

(oh, and reply to my above post too, thanks)

[spamzilla]

So does CNR.com (http://cnr.com/index.html). Available via CNR.com:
apache2 (http://cnr.com/product/productSpecifications.seam?productId=15024) (packaging 101: a different package than previously posted (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4698341#post4698341))
Ubuntu 7.04 Version 2.2.3-3.2ubuntu2.1
Ubuntu 7.10 Version 2.2.4-3ubuntu0.1
Ubuntu 8.04 Version 2.2.8-1
64-bit Version 2.2.8-1
Once again CNR has at least the same (as in the native repository) and in some cases a more updated version; a little research goes a long way...

Gratz on ignoring all other recent questions in this thread...

[S3Indiana]

Now tell me what would server admin be installing Apache through cnr?None, as posted:(Note: CNR is designed as a desktop installation tool, so server packages aren't truly remaining on-topic)...apache (or apache2) was never my example...

[S3Indiana]

Gratz on ignoring all other recent questions in this thread...OK, so what specific question about CNR (https://cnr.com/index.html) packages have I failed to respond? Any other question is completely off-topicPlease install CNR in ubuntu by default

[cardinals_fan]

@S3Indiana: If CNR is an "exact mirror of native repositories", what makes it better than what we have? How is it an improvement? Saying that something is just as good as the current system does not provide a reason to change anything...

[vexorian]

I don't think Linspire deserves any respect from the community to their products, and including one by default on ubuntu... I would just switch to Fedora.

[compiledkernel]

@S3Indiana: If CNR is an "exact mirror of native repositories", what makes it better than what we have? How is it an improvement? Saying that something is just as good as the current system does not provide a reason to change anything...

He is selling you user experience. The base of knowledge of what you are installing, with the addition of only having to click one time to install an application.

User experience is not worth the issues of SUID installation scripting (known dangerous and as of yet unaddressed in this thread, by S3Idndiana -- we are waiting for an answer , capn.), using dated software (there have been many instances where this is the case already), and generally duplicating the effort that Gnome-App-Install almost totally replicates (another fact that has yet to have been addressed by our illustrious CNR benefactor).

If user experience , as s3indiana has stated on numerous occasions is what CNR provides, comes at the cost of the issues stated above, then I feel it is a detriment to the users that they garner.

[cardinals_fan]

He is selling you user experience. The base of knowledge of what you are installing, with the addition of only having to click one time to install an application.

But you only have to click twice now... once to check the box, twice to install. What's so hard about that?

[vexorian]

In windows, you need at least 9 clicks

- click google's search button
- click page link
- click download link
- double click .exe file
- click next button
- click I aggree button
- click ok button after entering serial.
- click next.
- click ok.

[compiledkernel]

But you only have to click twice now... once to check the box, twice to install. What's so hard about that?

Apparently most other CNR users seem to think that, Cardinals Fan. Apparently (along with trying to sell you proprietary software, which is CNR's other hallmark) , one click install with a great user experience is the reasoning for its use.

Faults noted, doesn't change the value in the one-stop user experience at CNR.com...

[cardinals_fan]

Apparently most other CNR users seem to think that, Cardinals Fan. Apparently (along with trying to sell you proprietary software, which is CNR's other hallmark) , one click install with a great user experience is the reasoning for its use.
I'm tempted to try this CNR to see whether the user experience is really so great (the website certainly isn't - it looks like cheap plastic), but they don't have a version for Zenwalk/Slackware. I guess Slack users aren't gullible :)

[Foster Grant]

As former Linspire CEO Kevin Carmony has noted on his blog (http://kevincarmony.blogspot.com/2008/02/linspires-cnrcom-bye-bye-linux-hello.html), the nascent business relationship that had been forged between Linspire and Canonical has evaporated.

As many have noted, we already have a perfectly good software system that doesn't have the problematic installation scripting.

The only thing CNR has going for it is its access to commercial binaries. That may change soon, as well.

(And as nobody has noted ... what's the deal with the sudden invasion of Free/Linspire users beating the drum for CNR? Is Michael Robertson trying some guerrilla promotion?)

[Vadi]

Sorta, but he's getting a backup plan ready and is adding support for web apps.

[S3Indiana]

@S3Indiana: If CNR is an "exact mirror of native repositories", what makes it better than what we have? How is it an improvement? Saying that something is just as good as the current system does not provide a reason to change anything...The repeated posted misinformation is that the packages in CNR are dated compared with the default native repositories. CNR is a mirror of the native repositories, then adding packages not found in those repositories, primarily commercial in nature, with some at a cost like StarOffice. CNR can be used w/o an account to access many differing software applications, including researching using the tools available in the CNR Community (http://community.cnr.com/community/cnr). CNR provides a one-stop location meeting the daily requirements for desktop Linux distributions...

[S3Indiana]

using dated software (there have been many instances where this is the case already)Fail to see one case where the applications available at CNR.com (https://cnr.com/index.html) are dated compared with the native repositories...

Again moderators should be taking the high road...

[cardinals_fan]

The repeated posted misinformation is that the packages in CNR are dated compared with the default native repositories. CNR is a mirror of the native repositories, then adding packages not found in those repositories, primarily commercial in nature, with some at a cost like StarOffice. CNR can be used w/o an account to access many differing software applications, including researching using the tools available in the CNR Community (http://community.cnr.com/community/cnr). CNR provides a one-stop location meeting the daily requirements for desktop Linux distributions...
Just for the sake of argument, I'll agree that CNR software is up to date. However, its only advantage is the ability to install some commercial software. This isn't enough to outweigh the risks. It is important to consider that any Ubuntu user can easily install the CNR client. This is only a discussion about including it by default. Those who want it can get it quickly.

Off-Topic
S3Indiana: I checked out your posts, and well over half relate to CNR or Linspire. What interests you so much about these two products? I am a happy Zenwalk user, but I don't spend that much time evangelizing it. Is there something I missed that makes CNR/Linspire great?

[S3Indiana]

Just for the sake of argument, I'll agree that CNR software is up to date. However, its only advantage is the ability to install some commercial software. This isn't enough to outweigh the risks. It is important to consider that any Ubuntu user can easily install the CNR client. This is only a discussion about including it by default. Those who want it can get it quickly.There are packages like Skype (http://www.cnr.com/product/productSpecifications.seam?productId=17937) 2.0, Lotus Symphony (http://www.cnr.com/product/productSpecifications.seam?productId=41475), Google Earth (http://www.cnr.com/product/productSpecifications.seam?productId=16206) 4.2, etc. providing access to versions not available in the default repositories...
Off-Topic
S3Indiana: I checked out your posts, and well over half relate to CNR or Linspire. What interests you so much about these two products? I am a happy Zenwalk user, but I don't spend that much time evangelizing it. Is there something I missed that makes CNR/Linspire great?Been using Linspire since 2002 and never looked back (meets the daily requirements) and desire to help those that care to try CNR...

[wannadumpwindows]

I don't know about the rest of you, but if I were going to install Skype or GoogleEarth, I'd just add the medibuntu repo, instead of some random spewage about some strange software that seems to be entirely useless.

Oh, and as far as the commercial software goes, what advantage does it offer over getting the software from, say, I don't know, maybe the vendor I purchased it from?

[S3Indiana]

I don't know about the rest of you, but if I were going to install Skype or GoogleEarth, I'd just add the medibuntu repo

Oh, and as far as the commercial software goes, what advantage does it offer over getting the software from, say, I don't know, maybe the vendor I purchased it from?So choice is somehow bad (not everyone buys products directly from the manufacturer)...

[wannadumpwindows]

Where in that quote did I say choice was bad? Besides, if you're talking about choice, I already have the choice to install it as it stands. It doesn't have to be installed by default in order to be a choice.

And you still, as usual, didn't answer my question. What advantages does it offer over getting commercial software from the vendor?

[spamzilla]

I've just tried this out, and gg guys, the Hardy client crashes when you try to open it...

*hits uninstall*

edit

Annoyingly, it didn't tell me what other files it downloaded when it installed, nor did it remove these files when I uninstalled it...

[S3Indiana]

I've just tried this out, and gg guys, the Hardy client crashes when you try to open it...Yes, there's a known issue with the first release of the CNR Client built against the 8.04 native Beta repository, but again a little research provides an interim solution (http://community.cnr.com/docs/DOC-1165)...

Annoyingly, it didn't tell me what other files it downloaded when it installed, nor did it remove these files when I uninstalled it...If the client was installed via gdebi , it very clearly provides a list of all the packages downloaded (apt 101: when libraries are installed to a system as a dependency to a package, during the uninstall the libraries usually remain so as not to affect other packages that might use those same shared libraries)...

[spamzilla]

Yes, there's a known issue with the first release of the CNR Client built against the 8.04 native Beta repository, but again a little research provides an interim solution (http://community.cnr.com/docs/DOC-1165)...

How are users meant to know this is a testing release (hardy version) of this product since there is no mention of it anywhere on the download page?

If the client was installed via gdebi , it very clearly provides a list of all the packages downloaded (apt 101: when libraries are installed to a system as a dependency to a package, during the uninstall the libraries usually remain so as not to affect other packages that might use those same shared libraries)...

Well it didn't and it works fine for all over programs I uninstall.

BTW why are you trolling this forum advertising this unnecessary program?

[S3Indiana]

And you still, as usual, didn't answer my question. What advantages does it offer over getting commercial software from the vendor?OK lets start the example as a new computer user that has no preconceived notion of where to get products, and received a .pdf in an email, how would they know what to use (assumption is no native .pdf reader is available on the installed OS) or where to find Adobe Acrobat Reader? Continue with the example of the naming convention used for standard Linux applications, do you think it's truly intuitive? Last CNR.com provides one location to access all options for software, so someone migrating from another OS wouldn't have to know that Parallels (http://www.parallels.com/en/products/workstation/), Virtual Bridges (http://win4lin.net/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=26) or CodeWeavers (http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxlinux/) create virtualization software used to run existing application on a Linux system (they search and review using a single tool). It just seems so obvious (also to thousands of others that use CNR). And that's the issue, most replying to this thread don't need the basic functionality provided by CNR.com (http://www.cnr.com/index.html)...

[S3Indiana]

How are users meant to know this is a testing release (hardy version) of this product since there is no mention of it anywhere on the download page?Isn't ubuntu 8.04 a testing release (identified at the top of the forums (http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php))???
BTW why are you trolling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29) this forum advertising this unnecessary program?That's on-topic...

[LaRoza]

Been using Linspire since 2002 and never looked back (meets the daily requirements) and desire to help those that care to try CNR...

There is more to it than that...

[S3Indiana]

There is more to it than that...Yes, I also was hired (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4575128#post4575128) 2 years after being a loyal customer (hope appreciating a product enough to be part of the creation of that product isn't somehow considered wrong)...

[LaRoza]

Yes, I also was hired 2 years after being a loyal customer...

Cool. (I need a job at the moment, so anyone with a job I am happy for)

[S3Indiana]

I need a job at the moment...Truly sorry to hear that, best wishes to you...

[PriceChild]

OK lets start the example as a new computer user that has no preconceived notion of where to get products, and received a .pdf in an email, how would they know what to use (assumption is no native .pdf reader is available on the installed OS) or where to find Adobe Acrobat Reader? Continue with the example of the naming convention used for standard Linux applications, do you think it's truly intuitive?Ubuntu contains a pdf reader by default called "Evince".

Simply double click on a pdf from nautilus or download one from the web and it will automatically be opened in evince.

Yes this isn't the point... there is software in cnr that isn't already in Ubuntu... but lets bring decent examples to the table.

Probably shouldn't ask about cnr's contribution to ubuntu's universe and debian's equivalent... I know little of cnr.

[Foster Grant]

OK lets start the example as a new computer user that has no preconceived notion of where to get products,

This clause proves that you are full of fail. In 2008, what computer user is coming to Linux with no prior experience whatsoever?

The correct answer, of course, is this: "none."

Given your admission that you work for Michael Robertson, I have to wonder why you're here. Could it be that the Linspire/Canonical business arrangement has ground to a halt, and now Canonical's not turning CNR on by default after all? So maybe suddenly Linspire employees are sneaking into the Ubuntu forums to try to talk newer Ubuntu users into doing something that Canonical decided wasn't such a hot idea after all?

[LaRoza]

OK lets start the example as a new computer user that has no preconceived notion of where to get products, and received a .pdf in an email, how would they know what to use (assumption is no native .pdf reader is available on the installed OS) or where to find Adobe Acrobat Reader? Continue with the example of the naming convention used for standard Linux applications, do you think it's truly intuitive?
I just pulled up Synaptic and searched for "PDF reader" and got that package as a result.

(Ubuntu has a PDF reader, I never thought about what it is called, it just works)

The naming convention can be funny, as they names are usually the result of programmers not PHB's. Debian for example...

(S3Indiana, I am staff, but I won't moderate this thread, so don't feel that I am a danger zone.)

[spamzilla]

Isn't ubuntu 8.04 a testing release (identified at the top of the forums (http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php))???

No I mean the cnr site. I just presumed it had been fully released since its available to download and there aren't any beta warnings...

That's on-topic...

It is on topic as I'm asking you a question about this thread...

[LaRoza]

BTW why are you trolling this forum advertising this unnecessary program?



Stop spamming the Ubuntu forums, please.

Point 11 in the Ubuntu Forums Code of Conduct:

11. If you have found a post that you feel is inappropriate or that violates the forum code of conduct, please use the report post function. Do not attempt to moderate discussions or correct other users yourself.

[loell]

heh, this is getting "interesting" ;)

so the OP is a linspire employee after all? :lolflag:

[Vadi]

So he doesn't use Ubuntu at all, but is just trolling the forums advertising a middleman service.

[loell]

Yes, I also was hired 2 years after being a loyal customer
so if he is an official employee, then he would be the "rumured 15?" left in the company?

linspire seems to be going down according to kevin, and yet an employee of an ailing company still finds time to advertise and troll?

[LaRoza]

heh, this is getting "interesting" ;)

so the OP is a linspire employee after all?

Old news, I think.

So he doesn't use Ubuntu at all, but is just trolling the forums advertising a middleman service.

so if he is an official employee, then he would be the "rumured 15?" left in the company?

linspire seems to be going down according to kevin, and yet an employee of an ailing company still finds time to advertise and troll?

Please follow the CoC...

[loell]

11. If you have found a post that you feel is inappropriate or that violates the forum code of conduct, please use the report post function. Do not attempt to moderate discussions or correct other users yourself.

@LaRoza , i don't like to sidetrack the topic, but what's the problem? first your telling a user to not moderate? , which just in my opinion a bad taste for a moderator. and now your reffering to the CoC again, which i still believe i'm still following.

[LaRoza]

@LaRoza , i don't like to sidetrack the topic, but what's the problem? first your telling a user to not moderate? , which just in my opinion a bad taste for a moderator. and now your reffering to the CoC again, which i still believe i'm still following.

That quote IS in the Ubuntu Forums Code of Conduct (http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php?page=policy)

The point is that calling someone a troll/spammer is against the CoC. Report such posts for the staff to look at. I wouldn't want anyone to get in trouble for breaking the CoC.

Note, I had stated I won't moderate this thread, so I won't be doing anything about it.

[loell]

very interesting quote from the CoC, i do think the context should be defined, but anyway i would like to tackle that probably to the forum feedback if i have time and energy, its a bit eye browsing for me atleast.

so I/we shouldn't call the OP a troll? to continue? fair enough.

[LaRoza]

very interesting quote from the CoC, i do think the context should be defined, but anyway i would like to tackle that probably to the forum feedback if i have time and energy, its a bit high browsing for me atleast.


I think it sounds a little pretentious, but it makes sense.

[bapoumba]

This thread got reported left and right, so was the previous one and it got closed. There are many support threads that deserve better attention than one in the "Recurring Discussions" area.

[p_quarles]

very interesting quote from the CoC, i do think the context should be defined, but anyway i would like to tackle that probably to the forum feedback if i have time and energy, its a bit eye browsing for me atleast.

so I/we shouldn't call the OP a troll? to continue? fair enough.
The context is broad, and would include threads such as this one.

If nothing else, calling someone a troll/spammer is flamebaiting, and looking for a fight. If you really think that such labels apply, the behavior should be reported so that it can be dealt with in a way that doesn't lead to further name-calling.

Seeing as how this thread has gone from "I like CNR and it should be included in Ubuntu" to a good 'ol Automatix style rumble, I'm closing it.

For those wondering: CNR is a third-party project, and one that is not currently recognized nor associated with Ubuntu. It is and shall remain unsupported here until that status changes.