Two weeks in no wonder bill gates is the worlds richest man

[jjgauthi]

Okay two weeks in, and I can't get my network card to work, its a wireless card built into my laptop. Jumping jesus on a pogo stick with the google results:

first you need to download drivers, then cabextract, then installshield then this then that then the kitchen sink. I mean could you please make it less complicated for newbies, I understand you are all superior to me in your knowledge of computers and I thougth this would be a great thing to do learn something new but all i've gotten is frustration and pissed off.

is there anyway a friggin new guy to this world can learn anything without some cryptic post or assinine comment?

[jjgauthi]

holy hell I think i'm just going to give up on linux, there is no reasonable way in the world that I can manage to learn anything after reading some posts here. It seems that I must have a degree in CS to even use this OS, yes I am a windows user through and through, at least that works when I need it to.

Thanks for all the suport have fun with your toy guys, I really understand now why this OS will never get the momentum behind it, there is no way an "normal computer user" will ever be able to get something working.

[jjgauthi]

Okay,

its completely apparent to me after two weeks of trying to get something as simple as a wireless network card to work that Linux is not for the everday user. There is absolutely no reason when you post on a message board say...

Hi i'm completely new i need some help with x, y and z

the reply i have gotten include the most cryptic and asinine I have ever seen all the way from get out of here NOOB to here do this without further helping to point me in a direction as to how the hell to do something.

I give up, without an internet connect there is no point in having this damn os to replace vista which sucks bad, but at least I can do stuff I need to do, i'm done with open source thanks to the reposes I have gotten on trying to get support.

Next time you want to show how smart you are remember that we are voting with our wallets and bill g. is our friend because he makes stuff that works out of the box, not that that is what I want but a little help in understanding what I am doing would hep.

Until the community can get off their high horse about how smart they are and try to introduce people to this OS there is no future.

[daberger]

from noob to noob i highly recomend u dual boot using wubi, install (reinstall) the drivers for the wireless card in vista and then go back to ubuntu

[overdrank]

Okay,

its completely apparent to me after two weeks of trying to get something as simple as a wireless network card to work that Linux is not for the everday user. There is absolutely no reason when you post on a message board say...

Hi i'm completely new i need some help with x, y and z

the reply i have gotten include the most cryptic and asinine I have ever seen all the way from get out of here NOOB to here do this without further helping to point me in a direction as to how the hell to do something.

I give up, without an internet connect there is no point in having this damn os to replace vista which sucks bad, but at least I can do stuff I need to do, i'm done with open source thanks to the reposes I have gotten on trying to get support.

Next time you want to show how smart you are remember that we are voting with our wallets and bill g. is our friend because he makes stuff that works out of the box, not that that is what I want but a little help in understanding what I am doing would hep.

Until the community can get off their high horse about how smart they are and try to introduce people to this OS there is no future.

HI and after reading your previous post then maybe Ubuntu is not for you.You can always try another wireless card. But good luck in whatever avenue you choose.

[Daveski]

Next time you want to show how smart you are remember that we are voting with our wallets and bill g. is our friend because he makes stuff that works out of the box, not that that is what I want but a little help in understanding what I am doing would hep.


I am sorry you have not had success, but please remember that this is a FREE OS and application suite, and the support you have is provided FREE also. Ubuntu costs infinately less than Windows in terms of money, but you might have to invest more time and effort to get certain things working with your particular hardware. Your laptop might be 'designed' for Windows - it certainly was not 'designed' for Linux.

[Duck2006]

HI and after reading your previous post then maybe Ubuntu is not for you.You can always try another wireless card. But good luck in whatever avenue you choose.

+1 on this one.

[jjgauthi]

+1 on this one.

yes this is exactly what I have been experiencing. Thank you for showing me how smart you are, after two weeks it is extremely frustrating to get no positive information as to how to fish. All I get are things like this that show me this OS is definately not worth the effort.

I understand it is free, I also understand that my computer may not be built for it, but from what I have been able to read there appears to be some form of workaround but the steps they list involve something of a higher command of the linux environment.

Thank you for showing me that how awesomely bad you are and I will go back to my windows crap.

[Joeb454]

Well if the OP really wants to try Ubuntu, we should try and help...

If not you could try another distro, such as Linux Mint, which is Ubuntu based, with some added extra's :)

[kool_kat_os]

i didnt read the thread...but Bill Gates is the third richest man in the world...first is Warren Buffet

EDIT: thats what i saw in the news like two weeks ago.

[Jose Catre-Vandis]

I have checked your other posts, and you have been given the answer, or provided with a solution that works for others:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=210958&page=5

Yes, in some circumstances, you need to wrap up a windows drivers to work in Ubuntu, this is not uncommon as the hardware manufacturers do not always write drivers for linux, and the community has not yet been able to write a native driver for it. This is often the nature of open source/free/developed by the community for the community software.

Enjoy the challenge and the learning process. These first steps of making hardware work are perhaps the most frustrating but also the most rewarding!

Search the forums for ndiswrapper usage if you need more help in how this works.

[tubasoldier]

Warren Buffet was the richest man in the world until he was dumb enough to give all his money to Bill Gates...

And as far as jjgauthi's problems go, I'm starting to wonder if he is just a troll? Really man, I understand wireless under Linux is not very good. Your biggest problem is that you have a wireless card that has no native LInux drivers. The reason it has no native Linux drivers is because the manufacturer refuses to support Linux. Therefore you give Linux a good shot and get burned because you bought a wireless card that doesn't work. You see Linux as the offender and you as the vicitm. When in all reality it is the manufacturer of the wireless card who is the true offender.

You could try installing ndiswrapper, but I know that might sound cryptic and isn't all that easy to get going. Especially with all the cryptic code you might have to copy and paste into the terminal just to get this cryptic ndiswrapper working.

[MetalMusicAddict]

Rewarding a child after they throw a tantrum teaches them nothing.

[Joeb454]

Thanks for that MetalMusicAddict, gave me a laugh I really needed :)

[Duck2006]

Rewarding a child after they throw a tantrum teaches them nothing.

That is what this thread seams like.

[kool_kat_os]

Thanks for that MetalMusicAddict, gave me a laugh I really needed :)

+1 :)

[kamitsukai]

Rewarding a child after they throw a tantrum teaches them nothing.

LOL so true, but seriously get over it if u want a point and click computer try this (http://whateveruwant.com.au/LImage.aspx?i=919&t=1)

**Edit**
I think this might be called karma (you know the "my name is earl" type) but my pc monitor just broke and now changes from pink to blue

[Daveski]

Like I say two weeks seems to be a really steep learning curve just to get a wireless card to work.

Yes, there is a steep curve, and if this is not acceptable to you then perhaps you should stick with a fully supported commercial system. I do understand your frustration, but please don't blame people here - most DO try to be as helpful as they can, but not eveyone who trys to help might fully understand your problem - or the correct direction for you to go in. Also most people here do seem to expect a fixing process to be a two-way effort, and the better you can explain your problem, the better the help will usually be. Getting angry with the odd poster will only make others less likely to feel inclined to help.

[heartburnkid]

You know, I just looked through your threads, and I don't see anybody posting anything "cryptic and asinine" towards you, and definitely nobody making fun of you for being a noob. In fact, most of your previous posts are built around you bitching about the stuff you found on Google. We're not Google, and we're not the other sites that Google pointed you to, so how about a little civility, OK?

Two people posted links to things that might help you in this thread:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=734133

You never replied to them. Did you try their recommendations? Did they help? Did you get stuck? Where?

Keep in mind, we can't wave a magic wand and make your wireless woes go away. Nobody can. You need to be willing to learn, and willing to try what people recommend to you. If you're not willing to put in at least a little effort, then maybe you should go back to Windows.

But whatever you do, never build your own box and buy Windows at retail. You will be absolutely shocked at the hoops you have to jump through to get THAT installed.

[MegaJim]

When somebody takes time out of their day to help you, they deserve thanks, not insults.

[adelahunty]

Can you tell us exactly what you are doing, and what you are typing? Also, which versions of the driver have you used? I seem to recall having got one of those running, as I have the driver kicking around on a CD of drivers I keep for emergencies. I certainly don't have that card, I know. Have you tried all of the versions? I see there are 98se, ME, 2000 and XP versions, as well as a 64-bit one. Sometimes one will work but not another - this Belkin card I have only uses the 2000 edition of the driver, for example.

Having a quick look through the file for making your own driver, it really isn't too bad if you read it carefully. Just type a few things at the command line, and you are there. They even tell you exactly what to do! If you're worried about it, and want help, ASK. People WILL help, but when you start calling people asinine, you won't get much sympathy. We were all beginners once, and most of us are more than happy to help. Seriously.

Wireless, in my experience, is invariably a pain. And no, I don't think anyone has come up with a decent solution for driver installation to allow a non-techie to get going. I've been using Unix types for about ten years now, and I am constantly being asked by friends to sort things out for their new Linux boxes they just installed. Perhaps, as you say, Linux isn't for you yet - either you must learn more, or Linux must be more friendly to use for you.

Linux - or FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, etc - is always a steep learning curve when you come from Windows. Where Bill gates has definitely succeeded is to get an operating system which even your grandma could use within ten minutes. I truly believe Linux is a far better system, but if you can't or don't want to take the time to learn, then Microsoft is more than happy to take your money.

[jjgauthi]

Warren Buffet was the richest man in the world until he was dumb enough to give all his money to Bill Gates...

And as far as jjgauthi's problems go, I'm starting to wonder if he is just a troll? Really man, I understand wireless under Linux is not very good. Your biggest problem is that you have a wireless card that has no native LInux drivers. The reason it has no native Linux drivers is because the manufacturer refuses to support Linux. Therefore you give Linux a good shot and get burned because you bought a wireless card that doesn't work. You see Linux as the offender and you as the vicitm. When in all reality it is the manufacturer of the wireless card who is the true offender.

You could try installing ndiswrapper, but I know that might sound cryptic and isn't all that easy to get going. Especially with all the cryptic code you might have to copy and paste into the terminal just to get this cryptic ndiswrapper working.

Okay i've taken some valium to calm down. Its not linux's problem to support all hardware out there, this I understand.

What I am trying to find out which is baffling me is:

My card won't work under linux our of the box, that I can accept.

From what I can gather out there on the forums and the internet there are steps to fix this problem. Great, lets get started.

Okay I'm an idiot, I can't seem to add 2+2 and follow the steps due to some of the responses not geared to me having an advanced degree in Computer Science.

ie) when it says on the linux drives readme to ./makedrv and I tried man makedrv it did nothing, I looked on the iternet no significant ideas as to how to do this?

Unlike the majority of people that will respond, I do not have an intuitive knowledge of linux, I need to learn how to fish. Remember someday you were once a noob like me, I have bigger problems than you do though.

Thanks for all the help

[grumpylad77]

LOL so true, but seriously get over it if u want a point and click computer try this

LMAO:lolflag::lolflag:

[Zralou]

Rewarding a child after they throw a tantrum teaches them nothing.

That kind of 'holier than thou' comment is what drives a lot of noobies away from forums like this, with the stereotypical viewpoint that everyone here really is a 'geek', and unless you have a phd in mathamatics you won't get the help you seek.

Everyone here is well aware that any operating system has a learning curve, and yes, Linux has a large one, but we all start somewhere, and without helpful guidance and understandable reference, things tend to aggravate and elevate that learning curve till it starts to loose its appeal (i.e. FUN!).

Sara Lou

[d3adp00l]

ok this proly won't help, but it took three clicks to get my wireless net to work and access the internet, but I didn't seem to have any driver issues, obviously. I am using 7.10. Here is what I did, it won't pertain to the driver issue, but will to the network manager. boot up in ubuntu, look to the top right hand corner of the screen, there will be an icon for network, click it to open, it showed the availble networks, click the one you want, it closes and give it a sec to communicate, open firefox.

Ok now I know it sounds like I got the easy way with this one, which I am sure only is the case after the driver issue is worked out.

I agree with you whole heartedly on what you have said about trying to use ubuntu, not all that easy when it doesn't work on its own. When it does, man its so easy its rediculous.

And for those out there, sometimes just going and getting 3 other cards to try, just isn't an option, and its kinda stupid to think that it is. Ubuntu may be free, but not really if I have to spend 200.00 on hardware just to get it to work right. All this talk about command line and editing and all that, well thats fine, if you kow how to get to the command line, and if you don't well not so easy. And for those of us who have experience on windows command line or C: prompt, that doesn't mean that we know exactly how to get there in ubuntu, and for those of us who don't have floppy drives, sometimes its really hard,(had a problem with MBR and no floppy or cd to get to a command line)

And it really doesn't help to have people tell us noobs, "well linux just isn't for you then" if thats the way you feel, then keep it to yourself, theres no reason to post a comment like that, its not on topic and useless. This is the absolute beginners section, and questions like this belong here, but comments like that don't.

As for your problems jjg, I can sysmpathize, I don't even know how to load a driver in linux, I did turn on a restricted driver for my video, is that installing it? I don't know, and I don't know how to get back to where I did that offhand, simple answers for stuff like that would be a huge help, talk to us like we are two year olds, I won't be offended, thats how it is, things explained step by step with as much detail as possible, remember we are normal poeple, and this is very new, nothing works like what we are used to so we have no idea of how to get anywhere on this os.

Sorry for the rant, but after a while of trying to find answers for thinks and only turning up posts that may as well be in chinese, I am trying to help explain where many of us noobs are with this whole transition.

[joshrobinson]

Okay,

its completely apparent to me after two weeks of trying to get something as simple as a wireless network card to work that Linux is not for the everday user. There is absolutely no reason when you post on a message board say...

Hi i'm completely new i need some help with x, y and z

the reply i have gotten include the most cryptic and asinine I have ever seen all the way from get out of here NOOB to here do this without further helping to point me in a direction as to how the hell to do something.

I give up, without an internet connect there is no point in having this damn os to replace vista which sucks bad, but at least I can do stuff I need to do, i'm done with open source thanks to the reposes I have gotten on trying to get support.

Next time you want to show how smart you are remember that we are voting with our wallets and bill g. is our friend because he makes stuff that works out of the box, not that that is what I want but a little help in understanding what I am doing would hep.

Until the community can get off their high horse about how smart they are and try to introduce people to this OS there is no future.

i looked through all of your posts, i didnt see anyone call you a noob, and to tell you to leave

on my laptop, my sound, my video card, my laptop shortcuts dont work with windows, on a fresh install.. its the same thing with linux, you have to make them work. some computers work perfect with a fresh linux install, some dont, some computers work perfect with a fresh windows install, some dont. its no different

again, i saw no comments by the users here, that they are on a "high horse" except maybe this thread, after you bashed the community here, ive seen countless users here spend hours helping out newcomers, even myself, to have you cut us all down like that isnt going to get you anywhere, and guess what? people are still here trying to help you solve your problems

[MrKlean]

Everybody talks about the linux learning curve !! My learning curve with Windows was 15 years !! Ubuntu has been a lot quicker !! I got a new laptop witj Vista on it... my windows learning didn't help one bit. I had to download a proggie just to burn an iso file LOL!! ubuntu has it built in...all ya do is right click...look for .. burn to disk.. and it burns an iso ... not Vista LOL!! Soooooooo..lets discuss the learning curve for windows LOL!!!

[virtuallinux]

Well, on the topic of the learning curve, it really is frustrating. I remember when I first started using Ubuntu (about a year ago), anything having to do with the command line was very difficult. It always seemed like the commands needed some more explanation. I had trouble with a number of things. Usually, the solution was to stop working on it and let it go for a few weeks, then come back to it. It sometimes took several months (in the case of my brother's wireless), but I usually met with success, which is always very rewarding. As for the command line, cryptic as it may seem, it is your friend, and you should make a point of becoming familiar with it at some point, as it can be very powerful. Using Linux is a learning process, so at the risk of sounding callous, I say: If you're afraid to learn, then Linux probably isn't for you.

[aysiu]

Rewarding a child after they throw a tantrum teaches them nothing.
Actually, it teaches them that throwing tantrums is the way to get help, instead of asking nicely, as you're supposed to.

I'm going to reiterate my plea: A Plea to the Community: Don't Reward Bad Behavior (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=634322)

In the meantime, I've moved this rant to Recurring Discussions, as it's basically another variation on "Linux is not ready for the desktop," and I've moved all the support posts to the support thread the OP started on the topic originally (pre-rant).

[Samurai Penguin]

I did a "search for all posts by ..." for the original thread starter because they said
it's been two weeks and no one has helped. That seems unlikely since the first post
shows as being done four days ago ... ba da boomp

[heartburnkid]

Heh, figures, I go and do some research and put together an as-simple-as-possible walkthrough on this, and the thread gets moved.

Ah, well, can't say the original poster didn't deserve it.

[aysiu]

Heh, figures, I go and do some research and put together an as-simple-as-possible walkthrough on this, and the thread gets moved.

Ah, well, can't say the original poster didn't deserve it.
I moved your walkthrough to the support thread.

[cardinals_fan]

Okay two weeks in, and I can't get my network card to work, its a wireless card built into my laptop. Jumping jesus on a pogo stick with the google results:

first you need to download drivers, then cabextract, then installshield then this then that then the kitchen sink. I mean could you please make it less complicated for newbies, I understand you are all superior to me in your knowledge of computers and I thougth this would be a great thing to do learn something new but all i've gotten is frustration and pissed off.

is there anyway a friggin new guy to this world can learn anything without some cryptic post or assinine comment?
Installshield is for Windows software on Windows. It has nothing to do with Linux.

[Jim!]

Thanks for all the suport have fun with your toy guys, I really understand now why this OS will never get the momentum behind it, there is no way an "normal computer user" will ever be able to get something working.

Ubuntu is just as, if not more capable of running your wireless card than Windows is - The reason YOU can't get it working is because the company that made your wireless card only released drivers for it on Windows. It is not a fault of Ubuntu in anyway so think before you post things like that, Infact the community that created Ubuntu even put in the effort to make drivers for hardware which they didn't even create.

It's a shame that you couldn't get your wireless card to work - But if you tried Ubuntu I'm guessing you must have had some issues with Windows (the OS which costs like $400) too, Of course there's always the possibility you just tried Ubuntu for fun or something...

Linux isn't for everyone - If you don't like it simply don't use it - But don't come here and complain about software which didn't cost you a cent.

-Jim.

[d3adp00l]

again, jim you didn't say anything to help, just some blither, and then the all too common, well if you don't like then don't use it. None of what you said, helped this person, so why say it at all.

[Daveski]

If anyone is interested in the OPs problem, then I think this thread will be of interest:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=739504

[Jim!]

again, jim you didn't say anything to help, just some blither, and then the all too common, well if you don't like then don't use it. None of what you said, helped this person, so why say it at all.
It's true, my post most likely didn't help the OP solve any issues but they didn't ask for help in this thread - they just complained about software which they got for free. This thread wasn't a plea for help so my post didn't need to be helpful in anyway, I was just making a comment.

[K.Mandla]

I'm closing this one. If you have something of world-altering performance to add, please contact a staff member and ask that it be reopened.