Steam equivalent for Linux?

[Royall]

So I love playing computer games, and I love how Steam distributes them in Windows. I know Steam works well in Linux, but I want to buy some native Linux games and have the Luxury of something like Steam. I've looked at CNR.com and I'd like to buy X2, but I don't know how well it works.

Is it as good as Steam? Can I re-download again for free when I build a new computer or format my HDD? Any other services do the same thing better?

[compiledkernel]

CNR...hrmmmm, its code is as buggy as its counterparts (xandros warehouse as well).

I really wouldnt consider that a solution.

Just buy a copy of X2 from tuxgames or from an LGP reseller.

as far as something like steam existing for Linux, no probably not. I think there is a linux version of AGS , but those games arent as high level as something like X2 (which I happen to love myself). Alternately if you really like this type of game, you should play VegaStrike.

[S3Indiana]

CNR...hrmmmm, its code is as buggy as its counterparts (xandros warehouse as well). Pls. provide evidence that the code used at CNR.com (https://cnr.com/index.html) (or the CNR Client) is currently buggier than any other software application available. Pls. use caution when making such sweeping comments...

[compiledkernel]

It is my PERSONAL feeling that CNR could cause technical issues, and breaks a variety of Idealogical issues. Its Non-free, and it duplicates existing efforts to integrate software application installation into Ubuntu.

I would honestly recommend Automatix to a user far before I would recommend CNR , both for reasons of Idealogy, as well as functionality. Im welcome to hear proof that an Ubuntu install can actually use CNR, Ive heard nothing to the contrary, and the last time such issues were brought up to me, it involved a quite long and lengthy conversation between Kevin Carmony and myself.

If you have issues with a view being expressed by someone , you shouldnt advise the use of caution to a user alike.

[imT]

i experienced a lot of dead links in CNR, other than that is looks ok.

[Artificial Intelligence]

Hmm...Seems the site is down or something.


Personally I don't think you need cnr as you can find it via Ubuntu's own repo, with some few exceptions. Those few exceptions you can get easely without poking to a third part repo.

[compiledkernel]

I believe the appeal of CNR is to push its premium membership aspect (you end up having to pay money for non free software , which in essence defeats the purpose of Free software). Im not sure what the status of CNR's Premium service is, but I do know that you can buy software from them. Call me a stallman droid, thats fine, but its still Non-free , and therefore idealogically against the idea of community. Linspire's job is to make money. Notihng more nothing less. CNR is no different.

In its very early form, I came into direct conflict with Kevin Carmony over the issue of CNR providing an install of OpenOffice (at a charge), in essence charging money for free software.

[XSP]

Ignore S3Indiana. He works for Linspire. The truth is that CNR is pointless. Win4Lin is $20 more expensive on their site than it is on the developers site. Just one example of how Linspire is trying to remain relevant in a world where they are no longer (and technically never were) needed.

[compiledkernel]

I guess I had to figure there was a corporate agenda there.

I also see that CNR hasnt released a 64bit client yet either, or is that finally come to fruition?

If not, that makes CNR even more useless and bothersome. Sorry 64bit users, CNR cant help you.

[S3Indiana]

Ignore S3Indiana. He works for Linspire.Pls. explain what that has to do with the stability of the CNR software (the unsubstantiated reply (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4559179#post4559179))???

[Tux0r]

Because you want market share?

[S3Indiana]

It is my PERSONAL feeling that CNR could cause technical issues, and breaks a variety of Idealogical issues. Its Non-free, and it duplicates existing efforts to integrate software application installation into Ubuntu.The base of CNR is apt (no different than Add/Remove, Adept or Synaptic) and uses an exact mirror of the public repositories in stock ubuntu (or derivatives). Pls. explain how Sun is in violation by supporting both an open-source and commercial variant of the Office Suite that's included with ubuntu? CNR just provides the capability to decide which Office Suite option someone can choose (doesn't violate anything - ask the coder that maintains the Linux kernel). CNR has no barriers to use (nothing required other than the installation of the CNR Client), but if someone chooses to contribute (or purchase one of those commercial packages not available elsewhere) then Signing-in is required (just like many sites - even this one :)...

[S3Indiana]

i experienced a lot of dead links in CNR, other than that is looks ok.Could you Pls. provide specific URL's that have issues???

[S3Indiana]

Because you want market share?Huh???

[XSP]

What it explains is that you are a shill from a Microsoft loving company who paid protection money and is now loathed among the community. It may not be your fault, but CNR is indeed irrelevant. Charging people for software that is easily accessible via package management, jacking the prices up unless you pay for a premium membership, and assuming that the Linux community is stupid makes it loathsome and useless. As far as it being buggy, I couldn't tell you. I wouldn't touch anything that Linspire's hands have been on.

Exploiting a community of new Linux users is probably worse than the Microsoft deal however. I found a much more reliable and free alternative to CNR. It's called Synaptic. I type want I want and it gives me choices. If it's commercial software, I use another alternative.. It's called Google. I get it cheaper from the developer and know that every penny is going to them.

[S3Indiana]

Charging people for software that is easily accessible via package management, jacking the prices up unless you pay for a premium membership, and assuming that the Linux community is stupid makes it loathsome and useless. As far as it being buggy, I couldn't tell you. I wouldn't touch anything that Linspire's hands have been on.

Exploiting a community of new Linux users is probably worse than the Microsoft deal however. I found a much more reliable and free alternative to CNR. It's called Synaptic. I type want I want and it gives me choices. If it's commercial software, I use another alternative.. It's called Google. I get it cheaper from the developer and know that every penny is going to them.What part of no barriers to use did you misunderstand??? Synaptic has access to 40,000 packages??? Guess you buy your cars directly from the factory...

[Tux0r]

Exploiting a community of new Linux users is probably worse than the Microsoft deal however. I found a much more reliable and free alternative to CNR. It's called Synaptic. I type want I want and it gives me choices. If it's commercial software, I use another alternative.. It's called Google. I get it cheaper from the developer and know that every penny is going to them.

+1 dude :)

[XSP]

What part of Microsoft Loving and Google did you misunderstand? Go peddle your wares to a community that isn't familiar with your irrelevance. There's bound to be at least one left who would fall for Linspires's exploitation of beginners.

No barriers? http://cnr.com/supportPages/termsConditions.seam. I see quite a few there. Luckily there is a great community here that can explain to people that you aren't needed by helping people with problems they have and giving them information on doing it themselves, further eliminating your reason for existing.

Your car analogy shows how badly you are grasping at straws. A developer should be supported directly to further encourage their work and show that you support them. Going through a company as deplorable as Linspire, paying a marked up price, and achieving the same end result is not only asinine, it's a waste of time. Car companies aren't in the business of selling to car owners directly. I should know, My family has been working for Ford for the past 40 years.

Also, for future reference, a single question mark will convey your point just fine and the word Please contains vowels. A, E, I, O, U, and sometimes Y. There is bound to be a wikipedia page on it. If you are representing your "company", please at least attempt to do it in a professional manner. I hardly see the reason to take an overly dramatic textual correspondence seriously if it cannot be legibly written.

[compiledkernel]

S3I,

Is there a 64bit client yet, can a sparc user who has ubuntu installed use this application? Will it work on an existing OpenSolarlis system?

Of the support threads here I have seen, more than one points to an issue with retrieving database information.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=691290
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636551
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=646503 - No luck for 64-bit users?

Thats what I see thus far.

Im fully open to be told different to its stability or viability for all users?

[S3Indiana]

S3I,

Is there a 64bit client yet, can a sparc user who has ubuntu installed use this application? Will it work on an existing OpenSolarlis system?

Of the support threads here I have seen, more than one points to an issue with retrieving database information.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=691290
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636551
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=646503 - No luck for 64-bit users?

Thats what I see thus far.

Im fully open to be told different to its stability or viability for all users?You are correct, there is no client for a 64-bit OS (and there is no client that supports .rpm either). All in time...

[compiledkernel]

Another reason not to like CNR

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=862958&highlight=cnr#post862958
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=791800&highlight=cnr#post791800

When they pull stuff like this, you have to wonder how many other packages are like the Doomsday engine, that are and are not allowed to be there.

So now we are up to

1. Application causes known issues, which have taken numerous releases to fix.
2. Application only support Ubuntu, cant see why it doesnt support Linuxmint or Debian, of which Ubuntu is almost binariily the same.
3. Application only supports 32bit arch , if your A Sparc or 64bit user, your out of luck.
4. They have in the past charged money for the right to install free software on your machine, ease of use does not qualify for the concept of charging someone money for gratis software.
5. They have been known in the past to include packages that for all purposes shouldnt be there, and refused to comply with any known concept otherwise.

Lets keep it coming, make the list longer please.

[compiledkernel]

Could you Pls. provide specific URL's that have issues???

I have issues with this link.

http://cnr.com/product/productOverview.seam?conversationId=9935&actionMethod=productGrid.xhtml%3AproductDetails.se lectProduct&productId=17870

because of this link

http://www.darkhorizons-lore.com/news.php?extend.376

The game is now freely provided by Garage Games, its rank on CNR is 32 (fairly high) and costs a user relatively 14ish dollars. For a freely provided game this seems easily correctable.

[anjilslaire]

What it explains is that you are a shill from a Microsoft loving company who paid protection money and is now loathed among the community. It may not be your fault, but CNR is indeed irrelevant. Charging people for software that is easily accessible via package management, jacking the prices up unless you pay for a premium membership, and assuming that the Linux community is stupid makes it loathsome and useless.

Best. Quote. Ever

[compiledkernel]

:lolflag:

[S3Indiana]

Another reason not to like CNR

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=862958&highlight=cnr#post862958
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=791800&highlight=cnr#post791800

When they pull stuff like this, you have to wonder how many other packages are like the Doomsday engine, that are and are not allowed to be there.Both those posts (March 4th, 2006 & March 26th, 2006) existed prior CNR.com (http://cnr.com/index.html), even before the release of Freespire OS (in 2002 Legacy CNR and Linspire were designed as a commercial system providing integrated functionality)...

1. Application causes known issues, which have taken numerous releases to fix.The software is still beta (a stable version of the CNR Client was just released), so wouldn't issues during testing be expected???
2. Application only support Ubuntu, cant see why it doesnt support Debian, of which Ubuntu is almost binariily the same.Debian <> Ubuntu (review the repositories). There are significant differences between core packages (ask any Debian developer)...
3. Application only supports 32bit arch , if your A Sparc or 64bit user, your out of luck..rpm users are also not currently supported, true, ubuntu doesn't natively provide out-of-the-box support for .rpm packages either...
4. They have in the past charged money for the right to install free software on your machine, ease of use does not qualify for the concept of charging someone money for gratis software.As posted above - provided a commercial system (OS and software installation / management) that didn't exist elsewhere in 2002. Don't think any reasonable person thinks that all distributions that charge for the OS are wrong (even the lead kernel developer has no issue with that)...
5. They have been known in the past to include packages that for all purposes shouldnt be there, and refused to comply with any known concept otherwise. OK the errors of individual employees do not necessarily mean the entire organization supported the actions. Note: Might be of interest who's the current employer of the packager identified in the two year-old posts above...

[compiledkernel]

I would expect not to be told that --

Pls. provide evidence that the code used at CNR.com (or the CNR Client) is currently buggier than any other software application available. Pls. use caution when making such sweeping comments...

When Synaptic, Adept, Gnome-App-Install and good ole command-line aptitude are far LESS buggy than CNR appears to be. Are you going back on that statement already?

The software is still beta (a stable version of the CNR Client was just released), so wouldn't issues during testing be expected???

While I admit that there are some dissimilarities between Debian itself and Ubuntu, the development of code to support debian shouldnt be that hard. Again, the Automatix devs didnt seem to have an issue doing this, why should you be any different.

Out of the box RPM support - Alien works relatively well given the state of its development. It does make going backwards - from deb to rpm - difficult, but again, setting up apt rpm repositories isnt all that hard to accomplish, yellowdog and fedora have been doing it for quite some time now.

The referenced posts are merely a guideline for what Linspire , and really CNR in its infancy were capable of. Much like the Microsoft indemnification deal that many users take stake with. The fact that any of this has happened, its just as capable of happening again. Certainly with less surprise than others.

OK the errors of individual employees do not necessarily mean the entire organization supported the actions.

The body does not know what the hand does, or where the foot steps? I find that , in any corporate setting, to be very difficult to believe. And is quite honestly a pretty clean cop out.

[S3Indiana]

I would expect not to be told that --
Pls. provide evidence that the code used at CNR.com (or the CNR Client) is currently buggier than any other software application available.The software is still beta (a stable version of the CNR Client was just released), so wouldn't issues during testing be expected??? When Synaptic, Adept, Gnome-App-Install and good ole command-line aptitude are far LESS buggy than CNR appears to be. Are you going back on that statement already?Nope. The current final-release version of the CNR Client is very stable (and no less buggy than any other piece of software - not reasonable to compare testing software with released). There is a difference between the state of the CNR Client (released) and CNR.com (http://cnr.com/index.html) (beta). BTW have a discussion with an apt developer and inquire if there are issues with it's base code (dependency resolution)...

While I admit that there are some dissimilarities between Debian itself and Ubuntu, the development of code to support debian shouldnt be that hard. Again, the Automatix devs didnt seem to have an issue doing this, why should you be any different.Debian is different enough from ubuntu that it's not a slam-dunk, but Debian is the next planned major distribution to be supported at CNR.com (http://cnr.com/index.html)...

Out of the box RPM support - Alien works relatively well given the state of its development. It does make going backwards - from deb to rpm - difficult, but again, setting up apt rpm repositories isnt all that hard to accomplish, yellowdog and fedora have been doing it for quite some time now.Alien is included with the ubuntu build, that's news. Someone not familiar would have no idea what to install to make .rpm packages work. Any guess what percentage using a distribution that don't come near forums???

The referenced posts are merely a guideline for what Linspire , and really CNR in its infancy were capable of. The fact that any of this has happened, its just as capable of happening again. Certainly with less surprise than others. Refer to the paragraph below...

The body does not know what the hand does, or where the foot steps? I find that , in any corporate setting, to be very difficult to believe. And is quite honestly a pretty clean cop out.I've worked in corporate (or corporate equivalent) environments for over 25 years and know it's not reasonable to expect that the company knows everything that goes on (especially when discussing a single package in a repository that has tens of thousands of packages)...

[XSP]

I love the way you've boosted your number of "packages" by including links to websites. Nice way to fool people in to believing you have more to offer than what you really do.

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srsly (That's "seriously" for those of us who use vowels), Click 'N Run is worthless. You're obsolete and simply do not realize it yet. Don't worry about it however, we'll make sure the word gets out to all the right outlets.

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[grossaffe]

don't know if posts like this are frowned upon, but i can't help it in this thread.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/muching_out.gif

[madsmeg]

Erm did I miss something...

You are still in beta... OK

You are charging people.... Hmm

Last time I checked, not even M$ (the lowliest of the low) charge anyone to beta test something. If its in beta all your users are testing it... so they are paying you money to test your software... seems wrong

Just my 2 cents

Mad

[squizzi]

I'm relatively new to Linux, as in, probably 4 months ago I started using Ubuntu. I had played with it in VMware before and experimented with other distros like Fedora and ran my fair share of Knoppix LiveCDs (That's what brought me into Linux, the idea of running an entire OS on a CD).

But lets cut to the chase, and get back to the topic.

CNR interested me when I first heard of it's development. It's concepts, ideas, interface, simplicity, everything about it. This was before I ever used Aptitude, Synaptic, or became acustomed to using apt-get in my terminal, so being a newbie, I could easily see this as something I could really enjoy to get some of the best packages availiable for my Linux experience.

When I stepped foot into this thread I found a lot wrong with it. Honestly, it seems to be a dishonest flame war.

The first thing to catch my mind.. S3I, you still haven't responded to why your charging people to download packages that are found freely on other parts of the web. If I missed it, I apologize, please show me where you responded. (I am mostly referring to GarageGames' DH: Lore, the most hilarious part about this issue is on the homepage of CNR.com CNR recently offered a 5 dollar off OFFER! YIPEE! 5 bucks off for something that is free.

Secondly, I am wondering where the FREE game money goes.. directly to LinSpire? Or does some of this money go towards GarageGames? ..

[S3Indiana]

You are still in beta... OK

You are charging people.... Hmm

Last time I checked, not even M$ (the lowliest of the low) charge anyone to beta test something. If its in beta all your users are testing it... so they are paying you money to test your software... seems wrongThere is no charge (not even Sign-in required) to download and install open-source applications (as posted (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4560875&highlight=cnr#post4560875) - no barriers to use). If someone desires a commercial application, then the developer determines the cost (the charge is for the purchase of an application at the developer determined cost). Again there is no cost (not even Sign-in required) to use (or test) the CNR Client or CNR.com (http://www.cnr.com/index.html)...

[PreviousN]

At the risk of offending the moderator, this does seem to be a flame-war thread. I think it's unprofessional and gives a bad impression of those who support ubuntu (and are given the responsibility of moderating the forums). I kinda feel that CNR may be a bad company personally, just based on reading this, BUT, the company does deserve a right to defend itself. Also, why offend and create disputes instead of offer up ways that ubuntu and CNR can correct the problems they have?

Quotes like this really shouldn't be coming from a moderator (especially one who hasn't used the program)
So now we are up to

1. Application causes known issues, which have taken numerous releases to fix.
2. Application only support Ubuntu, cant see why it doesnt support Linuxmint or Debian, of which Ubuntu is almost binariily the same.
3. Application only supports 32bit arch , if your A Sparc or 64bit user, your out of luck.
4. They have in the past charged money for the right to install free software on your machine, ease of use does not qualify for the concept of charging someone money for gratis software.
5. They have been known in the past to include packages that for all purposes shouldnt be there, and refused to comply with any known concept otherwise.

Lets keep it coming, make the list longer please.

1. It may or may not cause issues. So does a majority of all other software, which may or may not be free. I could name a few, but its not necessary.
2. Debian is NOT the same as Ubuntu. Quite a few .debs from debian don't work in ubuntu. In fact, Ubuntu changes so often that quite often fiesty .debs don't even work in gutsy. Thats a time span of 6 months completly changing the compatability in package managment! I think you're expecting too much.
3. As long as they make it clear they don't support SPARC/64bit why is this a problem? Ubuntu no longer supports PowerPC.
4. There are many evil companies out there. When you as a moderator report something/say something about another company that supports linux, you give the linux community a bad reputation for being unappreciative AND create disputes between a company that could work with ubuntu.
5. I don't really think you should pass judgment, since you did indicate earlier that you haven't used it.

Sure, CNR charges money for something that's free. Who cares? If you don't like it, don't use it. As for Linspire, I feel that getting anyone to use linux is better than windows. If a user starts on linspire, then finds ubuntu, that's still working on fixing bug #1.

It's threads like this that make me feel that the Free Software Communities are a little off. A company can try to charge money for whatever it wants - hell, I've seen a company charge for "oxygen". I feel that this "CNR", like it or not, is a business, and this forum could even pose risks for Libel that may be bring lawsuits upon ubuntu. Especially when the posts come from a moderator. That's publicity we don't need.

[S3Indiana]

The first thing to catch my mind.. S3I, you still haven't responded to why your charging people to download packages that are found freely on other parts of the web. If I missed it, I apologize, please show me where you responded. (I am mostly referring to GarageGames' DH: Lore, the most hilarious part about this issue is on the homepage of CNR.com CNR recently offered a 5 dollar off OFFER! YIPEE! 5 bucks off for something that is free.There are distribution agreements between CNR.com and the developer, and CNR.com can't unilaterally change the contracted price of the product (even when the developer decides to give something away). The developer determines the cost of the product, any discounts allowed and shared distribution costs. They call the shots, and get the lions share of the proceeds. CNR.com is in contact with GarageGames to resolve this specific issue...

Secondly, I am wondering where the FREE game money goes.. directly to LinSpire? Or does some of this money go towards GarageGames? ..There is no money associated with any Free products (CNR.com is obligated to the contracted price , even when the publisher changes the value of the product on their web site)...

[XSP]

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2007072014373817

http://www.informationweek.com/windows/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201001836

For those of you who believe this is meant to be a flame war, it isn't. I want to educate people on what this company does, has done, and will continue to do all in the name of the almighty dollar, completely tossing out the philosophy in which Linux was created upon.

If I wanted it to be a flame war, it would be simple. Google is not always your friend, it can be your worst enemy as well and a simple search can show you things that would be too tedious to post here.

Note that Linspire is privately owned. The money they earn does NOT go back in to the Linux community and does NOT help further Linux development. CNR isn't about making things easy for the user. It's just a way to get you to pay them yearly fees for software you can but cheaper from developers or obtain freely on your own.

As I've pointed out, Ken Jones, or s3Indiana, works for the company. I have no vested stake in Ubunutu, Linspire, Novell, Red Hat, or any other Linux distribution. I am user just like 90% of the users of these forums are. We aren't paid to protect a company which is precisely why in my first post in this thread, I suggesting ignoring him. He is a paid shill. It's as simple as that.

What about the links to websites that you claim as packages on CNR? You have yet to address that. It appears to be a way to claim a larger software base than what really exists and seems very deceiving to me.

[Artificial Intelligence]

At the risk of offending the moderator, this does seem to be a flame-war thread. I think it's unprofessional and gives a bad impression of those who support ubuntu (and are given the responsibility of moderating the forums).

So far there's no flame-war, It's a debate with people with diffrent views/opinions. So it's unprofessional to debate? I think it's very healthy to exchange ideas/opinions/views as long it's done in a good tone.
You can call it unprofessional as we all are volunteers both members and staff - we don't get paid, but do it for our passion for both linux and Ubuntu - and to help people in the best way.
Staff are also members and can express themself as everybody else on this board. Just as long it keeps within the code of conduct.

If you have any concerns there's a report button.

[PreviousN]

I do think you're right about debate, AI, but I also feel that opinion posts done by a moderater should be explicitly labeled as personal opinions. Also, I do think that great care should be given in threads such as this.

Despite all of this, I think that this thread could serve to further the interests of ubuntu and CNR. Let's document the issues, let CNR respond (both by changing tangible things and by critically responding) and move open source along positively.

So perhaps we could write an open letter to CNR about issues of concern to the ubuntu community? I did check out their page (although I haven't used the software) and it does include some universe packages that aren't included in ubuntu (such as America's Army).

Perhaps ubuntu should learn from CNR that there are packages/programs in high demand that are not included in apt? Maybe CNR can learn to become a better business in the eyes of the community by providing all free (and free propietary) programs without charge, thus helping with their success.


As for the original question of this thread, I say, give it a try. If it is indeed free, what do you have to lose? If you don't like it, uninstall.

Cheers! :-)

[S3Indiana]

Note that Linspire is privately owned. The money they earn does NOT go back in to the Linux community and does NOT help further Linux development. CNR isn't about making things easy for the user. It's just a way to get you to pay them yearly fees for software you can but cheaper from developers or obtain freely on your own.Incorrect. Linspire from the start has given back hundreds of thousands of dollars (and code provided upstream) to open-source (http://www.linspire.com/lindows_products_license.php#ope) projects. Wouldn't take much searching on Google to find that...

As I've pointed out, Ken Jones, or s3Indiana, works for the company.I'm quite sure personal posts are allowed and fairly sure that post steps over the line and violates some community standard (http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php?page=policy) (regarding personal information)...

It's a pity if you don't think CNR.com (http://cnr.com/index.html) provides a good user experience...

[S3Indiana]

As for the original question of this thread, I say, give it a try. If it is indeed free, what do you have to lose? If you don't like it, uninstall. Well said. Choice is preferable...

[compiledkernel]

Incorrect. Linspire from the start has given back hundreds of thousands of dollars (and code provided upstream) to open-source (http://www.linspire.com/lindows_products_license.php#ope) projects. Wouldn't take much searching on Google to find that...

I'm quite sure personal posts are allowed and fairly sure that post steps over the line and violates some community standard (http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php?page=policy) (regarding personal information)...

It's a pity if you don't think CNR.com (http://cnr.com/index.html) provides a good user experience...

Its interesting to point out in all of that mess of provided evidence to the supported community, that Nvu, Lphoto, Lsongs, and IRMA are all Linspire owned projects (likeable or not).

The DCCA , Consisting of Xandros (another Microsoft indemnification signer), Linspire, Knoppix, Progeny (now a dead company), Sun Wah (all but a dead project as well by appeareances) , Userlinux (dead), Skolelinux (debian education Build), hasnt done much for user experience at all. An alliance for all intents and purposes our SABDFL has not joined, nor im sure will.

ReiserFS , while admireable, future development hangs in the balance because of its founders legal issues.

KDE support , which in turn may benefit all KDE related apps, K3b, included. Basis for which is the future development of Linspire, which uses KDE as its primary interface.

So really all I see that you give back to the community is to Mozilla, Gaim, and Wine, and yourself.

That to me isnt really giving much back to the community at all. When I see someone giving back to the community, distrowatch comes to mind. They at random (or possibly not, but still seems that way) Donate at random money to a project on a regular schedule. It doesnt seem as though CNR and really Linspire gives back to anything that does not already benefit themselves directly first.

[grossaffe]

Erm did I miss something...

You are still in beta... OK

You are charging people.... Hmm

Last time I checked, not even M$ (the lowliest of the low) charge anyone to beta test something. If its in beta all your users are testing it... so they are paying you money to test your software... seems wrong

Just my 2 cents

Mad

just because microsoft doesn't call it beta, doesn't mean its not a beta.

[XSP]

You have to be kidding me. Your contributions that took place six years ago?

Desktop Linux Summit
http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS4417146902.html
(threw Lindows out)

Open Source Desktop Workshops
http://www.osdw.org/
(now defunct)

DCC Alliance
http://www.dccalliance.org/
(now defunct)

International Resource Management Application
http://www.irmateam.com/
(now a site that sells viagra).

Here are some interesting links:
http://www.osnews.com/comments/15726
(DistroWatch has brought to light an apparant fraud by Freespire.)

Richard Stallman had to say (http://www.linux.com/articles/113979),
"No other GNU/Linux distribution has backslided so far away from freedom. Switching from MS Windows to Linspire does not bring you to freedom, it just gets you a different master."


Trying to justify your tactics by spewing out pages that are dead showing things you used to support and sponsor before turning your back on users is supposed to make all your current attempts at destroying the Freedom we all share better?


I'm quite sure personal posts are allowed and fairly sure that post steps over the line and violates some community standard (regarding personal information)...

It's a pity if you don't think CNR.com provides a good user experience...


The burden of proof is on you here. Not us. Prove that you aren't getting paid to come here and defend the company. Your identity has been brought forward on this very forum in the past. You acknowledged who you were there, so I see no reason to point out that your job is in all essence crowd control (http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Freespire_Community_Board_Home). You are PAID to evangelize for your company as the link clearly states.

[S3Indiana]

KDE support , which in turn may benefit all KDE related apps, K3b, included. Basis for which is the future development of Linspire, which uses KDE as its primary interface.Take a look at KDE-Look.org (http://kde-look.org/) & KDE-Apps.org (http://www.kde-apps.org/) (right frame). Not much direct benefit from supporting those sites...

So really all I see that you give back to the community is to Mozilla, Gaim, and Wine, and yourself.Just curious why paying developers (even if they're internal - like the organization that provides this forum) is wrong? What have you directly done for the open-source projects you use every day?

That to me isnt really giving much back to the community at all.So don't know if you give otherwise, but most give an offering to organizations or causes they support. Giving at random seems strange (at least that's my - personal - opinion)...

BTW this doesn't include all the code that's been pushed upstream (benefiting the entre Linux community)...

[compiledkernel]

Firstly, http://forum.freespire.org/showpost.php?p=100601&postcount=5

Specifically -- The buy commercial apps is the critical cog in the machine that sets the CNR Client and CNR.com apart from other package managers. Providing the one-stop shop is the goal...

How is this any different from the Ubuntu Partner repository?

If commercial apps are the only thing seperating you from normal package managers, then it would seem that such a concept has already corrected itself. There are quite a few apps in the Ubuntu Partner repo (previously called Commercial I believe).

on the KDE note, honestly any direct benefit to KDE, benefits Linspire directly. I believe I did say that KDE was the primary interface for which Linspire runs. That includes applications, artwork, etc etc etc.

As long as we are talking about faults, whatever happened to Koobox?
http://www.linux.com/articles/56725/

Misgivings? yes, I think there are a few, as long as we are all talking about what Linspires supports va what it gives back.

[S3Indiana]

Firstly, http://forum.freespire.org/showpost.php?p=100601&postcount=5

Specifically -- The buy commercial apps is the critical cog in the machine that sets the CNR Client and CNR.com apart from other package managers. Providing the one-stop shop is the goal...

How is this any different from the Ubuntu Partner repository?

If commercial apps are the only thing seperating you from normal package managers, then it would seem that such a concept has already corrected itself. There are quite a few apps in the Ubuntu Partner repo (previously called Commercial I believe).Correct me if I'm mistaken, but the ubuntu partner repository doesn't provide one-stop download and install of packages (IOW a package manager) while providing ecommerce for transactions (complete one-stop access). Again I inquire if the entire user experience at CNR.com (http://cnr.com/index.html) is available anywhere else (including an integrated community (http://community.cnr.com/community/cnr))??? BTW do you understand the reason the quoted post (pulled out of context) was made???

on the KDE note, honestly any direct benefit to KDE, benefits Linspire directly. I believe I did say that KDE was the primary interface for which Linspire runs. That includes applications, artwork, etc etc etc.How does Linspire benefit from KDE art anymore than the officially sanctioned ubuntu derivative that uses KDE by default???

As long as we are talking about faults, whatever happened to Koobox?
http://www.linux.com/articles/56725/Linspire / CNR.com are not in the hardware business (no more than the organization that provides this forum). You would have to inquire to the OEM...

Misgivings? yes, I think there are a few, as long as we are all talking about what Linspires supports va what it gives back.Sorry if supporting open-source projects and providing code upstream is not giving back (from your perspective)...

[compiledkernel]

Linspire / CNR.com are not in the hardware business (no more than the organization that provides this forum). You would have to inquire to the OEM...

thats a pretty substanial claim, based on the simple fact that koobox.com is owned in full by Linspire. Perhaps you want to retract?

Registrant:
Linspire, Inc
5960 Cornerstone Court West
Suite 200
San Diego, California 92121
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: KOOBOX.COM
Created on: 01-May-03
Expires on: 01-May-08
Last Updated on: 03-Apr-06

Administrative Contact:
Inc, Linspire domains@linspire.com
Linspire, Inc
5960 Cornerstone Court West
Suite 200
San Diego, California 92121
United States
8585876700 Fax --

Technical Contact:
Inc, Linspire domains@linspire.com
Linspire, Inc
5960 Cornerstone Court West
Suite 200
San Diego, California 92121
United States
8585876700 Fax --

[compiledkernel]

As far as the claim on the Partner Repo, they are a seach synaptic, and one click installs for a few Commercial products. And they include this wonderful community along with it.

Vmware Server, Parallels, Opera, and a few others.

[XSP]

Trolltech is preparing to move the license for QT to GPLv3 (http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/01/18/trolltech-to-adopt-gpl-3-for-qt) which means that companies that have made patent deals with Microsoft will no longer be permitted to use it under Microsoft's Interoperability licensing.

What does this mean? It means that KDE4 will be able to adopt the GPLv3 as well leaving Linspire out in the cold. They will no longer be permitted to use KDE. If they do, they are in violation of the deal they made with Microsoft and all patent protections against its users is lost.

Why do you think they are pushing CNR? Their revenue stream is threatened. They could be losing the ability to package a huge number of applications in their current form. It will destroy the interoperability between closed source proprietary software and GPLv3 Free Software. They need CNR to continue their revenue stream if this happens as sales of their distribution will dry up fast.

This is the reason they are pushing CNR. They need money to survive. It has nothing to do with making things easier for you, the user. It's about getting your money.

[paultag]

er, am I the only one that thinks that CNR undermines the spirit behind GNU and the GPL?

Charging money for Free Software is absurd. Moreover, I think that software should be free, and supporting proprietary software is a step back. Red Hat has proven that software can be free, and still make a profit.

Also, S3Indiana, full disclosure would be nice, tell us before you plug your own software, so we know that you are NOT objective.

Cheers,
Tag

[XSP]

Linspire / CNR.com are not in the hardware business (no more than the organization that provides this forum). You would have to inquire to the OEM...


thats a pretty substanial claim, based on the simple fact that koobox.com is owned in full by Linspire. Perhaps you want to retract?


http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Freespire_Community_Code_of_Conduct

When in doubt, don't post it. Take a deep breath, check your facts, etc. It's better to wait if you are unsure of something or too frustrated to think clearly.


Following your own guidelines would substantially improve your ability to coherently reply to questions asked of you and *spire.

[S3Indiana]

Linspire / CNR.com are not in the hardware business (no more than the organization that provides this forum). You would have to inquire to the OEM...thats a pretty substanial claim, based on the simple fact that koobox.com is owned in full by Linspire. Perhaps you want to retract? Nope. Linspire has never built or shipped hardware (only the ecommerce for the transaction). Think I'm fairly confident of the facts :). Owning a URL does not change the facts...

[XSP]

http://www.linux.com/feature/52952

Linspire is offering three configurations of the Koobox, ranging in price from $299 to $499. Linspire shipped me the middle-of-the-road Multimedia configuration, which is priced at $399.

[S3Indiana]

The burden of proof is on you here. Not us. Prove that you aren't getting paid to come here and defend the company. Your identity has been brought forward on this very forum in the past. You acknowledged who you were there, so I see no reason to point out that your job is in all essence crowd control. You are PAID to evangelize for your company as the link clearly states.Little history: S3Indiana was being paid by the US government (if you care to understand what the S3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-3_Viking) part stands for) when the username was first created at, the time, Lindows.com (use Google to your advantage). Never used Linux before being introduced to that community (there was no other Linux at the time that fit the requirement). Retired in 2004, so for 2 years was a satisfied customer and a community selected moderator. It's a shame that someone can't enjoy something, posting on Easter Sunday, w/o being accused of being paid to do it (no overtime has been used in the posting of this response :)...

[S3Indiana]

Charging money for Free Software is absurd. Moreover, I think that software should be free, and supporting proprietary software is a step back. Red Hat has proven that software can be free, and still make a profit.At what point will the FUD stop. As posted (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4560875#post4560875) more than once there are no barriers to use regarding downloading and installing free open-source software at CNR.com (http://cnr.com/index.html). CNR.com provides ecommerce for developers that chose to market their products (also a service that provides discounts and Support). Is there any question that Red Hat sells (https://www.redhat.com/wapps/store/allProducts.html) software (agree their value is in the support), same as the organization (https://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=19&osCsid=9fb3cafc31eb29c4a6907d54271a4fbf) that provides this forum???

Also, S3Indiana, full disclosure would be nice, tell us before you plug your own software, so we know that you are NOT objective.As posted (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4575128#post4575128) is it a sin to support the community you belong to (was a customer first). What reasonable disclosure would be acceptable (see the signature below)???

[S3Indiana]

http://www.linux.com/feature/52952Linspire shipped me the middle-of-the-road Multimedia configurationSorry that's inaccurate. All Linspire provided was ecommerce for the transaction (purchase, billing, refund, etc.) hardware was provided by the OEM partner. Quote that's not out of context:Mirus Innovations to offer a line of OEM computers with Linux preinstalled, under the brand name KooboxMirus is an active (http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00373907000P) Linspire partner. Accurate quoting is helpful in a discussion...

[S3Indiana]

So I love playing computer games, and I love how Steam distributes them in Windows. I know Steam works well in Linux, but I want to buy some native Linux games and have the Luxury of something like Steam. I've looked at CNR.com and I'd like to buy X2, but I don't know how well it works.My apologies to the OP for this thread getting so far off-topic (sorry, not a moderator to rectify the situation). Also apologize for recent replies; prefer to view a threaded discussion as intended, which results in what might be construed as multi-posting...

[compiledkernel]

Closing thread, which has obviously steered way off course.

To the OP, If you have further unanswered questions, please direct them into a new thread.