who is going to be the 1st to take on WOW

[bfakefree]

Although WOW is a time sink & addictive, its the most successful MMORG out and alot of lessons can be learn't from it, poeple often critiize it for the gear etc you need, but if it was easy to get then it would kill the game, also if its the most popular then give the poeple what they want.

If there is one game that fits the evolving nature of Linux, its MMORG. Its a never ending work in progress which fits in with the Linux way of doing things, every upgrade a project in its self. Further to the game I can see commericail implications where you can literally set up a virtual store and not only buy swords and weapons, but shoes which can be delivered to your house, and a small busness operator can pay rent for these virtual stores (this will fit in with the web 2 concept). Downloading music etc instead of the rip off 79p a song in from a certain provider and we all know who. So you can have virtual shoppers buying from a virtual tescos while gamers are killing each other outside the store.

The biggest hurdle is the network infrastructure, if you can crack this problem then you will have the numbers, and numbers is what you need for critical mass. At the moment in WOW if you form a raid on an enemy city and have over 100 characters then you can crash the server. They should set the horse power to come from the individual PC to cut down the bandwidth needed, and very importantly have good servers to handle the processing power.

Also a Suggestion is when you start a project, put it online straight away and let poeple log on, even if the characters on stick figures walking on a plain ball, this should also be accessible to poeple on windows platforms so that you can get enthusiasts to contribute from all over, who knows you might even get a top artist from blizzard secretly supplying artwork and themes because he is bored and likes your story. The main thing is to have the story and frame work idea of the game thought out, then slowly, but surely the rest will follow, the grpahics will get better with each upgrade and the popularity will increase.

I'm waiting in excitment for you techno boffs to come up with something, I love the Linux story so far. If you can get a MMORG going then Linux will become even more main stream

[Steveway]

1. What do you mean with MMORG? That word doesn't exist.
2. Do you mean a virtual world like Secondlife? Sounds like that.

[bfakefree]

it means massive multiplayer online role playing game, but dont actually like the role playing bit, I'm a player vs player and gank every now and then for those that play WOW, they know what I mean... hahaha

[NightwishFan]

World of Warcraft is boring. :)
Starcraft is only good blizzard game. (not sc2)

[Steveway]

it means massive multiplayer online role playing game
Well, no it doesn't, read what you wrote and you'll see.
What about my second point, is that what you mean? I can't help you better, you should rephrase what you wrote so normal people can understand that, too.

[miller64917]

Nobody will beat WOW for a while, it is a really well made game. I'm glad I only beta tested it and moved on with my life, lol.

[Steveway]

Nobody will beat WOW for a while, it is a really well made game. I'm glad I only beta tested it and moved on with my life, lol.

Good to know that Ragnarok Online is the worldwide most played MMORPG. ;) Get your Facts right.

[DownTown22]

Well, no it doesn't, read what you wrote and you'll see.
What about my second point, is that what you mean? I can't help you better, you should rephrase what you wrote so normal people can understand that, too.


I'm pretty sure you knew exactly what he was talking about...do we really need to make a big deal out of typo's? ......The answer is no.

And I'd have to agree with WoW being boring now....I liked it at the start, but then it became full of 2 kinds of people: 1) Annoying kids, and 2) People who are way too hardcore.

I think with some more refining, Guild Wars could oust WoW...maybe. And hey, there's no monthly fee!

I'd be up for a good Sci-Fi MMORPG......does one exist?

[bfakefree]

yeah kinda of ignored him when i saw he is picking a fight, my english is not the best, but i think most poeple get the spirit of my post. Basically a good MMO game that comes from the Linux community, basically time is on this communities side, if the Linux community didn't perservere then we wouldn't be talking here

[NightwishFan]

I would like something more Tolkienesque. Like the game Arcanum of Steamworks and Magick Obscura. That was my favorite fantasy game, and a MMORPG would be fun.

[Steveway]

I'm pretty sure you knew exactly what he was talking about...do we really need to make a big deal out of typo's? ......The answer is no.

And I'd have to agree with WoW being boring now....I liked it at the start, but then it became full of 2 kinds of people: 1) Annoying kids, and 2) People who are way too hardcore.

I think with some more refining, Guild Wars could oust WoW...maybe. And hey, there's no monthly fee!

I'd be up for a good Sci-Fi MMORPG......does one exist?

The things I think that I understood from his post are these:
1. He's talking about downloading music and buying shoes that then get delivered to you, and something about shoppers in virtual tescos (whatever that is, I'll have to look it up but it seems not to be important to the rest of the post.)
2. Then he jumps straight to some talk about servers, networking and how you can crash a wow-server with too much players.
3. Then he jumps again, now to a talk about "release early, release often" and some things about Blizzard-artist making art for us.
4. An ending sentence with a mention about making an MMORPG (even though he said MMORG).
Using my excellent combination-skills (little joke), I think he wants the Linux-community to create a MMORPG in wich you can buy things etc.
So I pointed him to Secondlife, wich is almost exactly that (Besides the RPG-factor, it's only a virtual World).
Maybe I'm wrong and he doesn't want this, but that is all I could decipher from his post.
It's not the spelling-mistakes it's the lack of complete sentences that make any sense and/or are related to other ones in his post. <rantmode-off>

[DownTown22]

Fair enough.

[bfakefree]

My apologies to the english professor, I'm so sorry that I didn't want to spend hours writing a perfect free flowing post which would come naturally to him in minutes

... like I said before, the spirit of my post most poeple will get. BT have even had a lame attempt of having virtual characters walking around virtual stores. MMO games have much better graphics and would be more inviting for potential shoppers, so you can have the game environment merge with commercial sector. Trust me the days of boring 2d web interfaces for shopping is going to change, work on extracting 3d images from 2d images is only a matter of time if it has not happened already, so you will have a person that can download thier photo and have a 3d version of themselves running around. The gaming companies have the best technology for this.

Go onto the technical support forums for World of Warcraft and you'll see the amnount of complaints about the lag and if you have to many characters in one place then the server crashes, kinda like a victim of its own success, so if potential MMO linux projects get under way they have to tackle this problem.

edit - oh yes not once did I have a problem with your second life thing

[Steveway]

My apologies to the english professor, I'm so sorry that I didn't want to spend hours writing a perfect free flowing post which would come naturally to him in minutes

... like I said before, the spirit of my post most poeple will get. BT have even had a lame attempt of having virtual characters walking around virtual stores. MMO games have much better graphics and would be more inviting for potential shoppers, so you can have the game environment merge with commercial sector. Trust me the days of boring 2d web interfaces for shopping is going to change, work on extracting 3d images from 2d images is only a matter of time if it has not happened already, so you will have a person that can download thier photo and have a 3d version of themselves running around. The gaming companies have the best technology for this.

Go onto the technical support forums for World of Warcraft and you'll see the amnount of complaints about the lag and if you have to many characters in one place then the server crashes, kinda like a victim of its own success, so if potential MMO linux projects get under way they have to tackle this problem.

edit - oh yes not once did I have a problem with your second life thing

I didn't want to write this but:
Well, you want the community to write a game/program, a very complex one.
You've got several options to get that project going:
1. Start programming it yourself and get developers to join you.
2. Pay a developer to start it.
3. Get others to start it for you. (very very unlikely)
Since you don't seem to intend to do option 1 or 2 (you would have started allready/ payed someone allready / asked someone to do it for money) you want others to do it for you.
Since this is very unlikely you'll have to prepare everything as much as you can. (Write exactly what needs to be done, research what allready exists that can be used, make artwork, storylines etc...)
So I asked you to rephrase your post since your chances for the project to start if it stays like this are close to zero.

(I'm not a native english speaker either, but I try my best to write everything so that others can understand it, if you can't do that then get someone you know to translate for you (Or don't you take this project serious enough? If so then why do you even bother? ;)).)
Yes, I am harsh.
Yes, I am mean.
But only because otherwise people won't listen. (Also because it's fun ;))

[forrestcupp]

Yes, I am harsh.
Yes, I am mean.
But only because otherwise people won't listen. (Also because it's fun ;))

Or, instead of being harsh and mean, you could do something useful and constructive, like pointing him to a list of native Linux MMORPG's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_MMORPGs) that already exist. It may be easier to find one you like and support it rather than start a new project.

And for the person wanting a sci-fi MMORPG, this list includes one that involves spaceships.

[Steveway]

Or, instead of being harsh and mean, you could do something useful and constructive, like pointing him to a list of native Linux MMORPG's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_MMORPGs) that already exist. It may be easier to find one you like and support it rather than start a new project.

And for the person wanting a sci-fi MMORPG, this list includes one that involves spaceships.

Or I could point him to something that is almost exactly what he wants, oh well I did? Yup, I did! (Secondlife incorporates most of the things he mentioned.)

[forrestcupp]

It's not a game, though. It's a virtual world for people who don't enjoy their real life.

He said he wants an MMORPG similar to WoW. Second Life is nothing like that.

And your helpfulness was lost in the middle of all of your meanness anyway.

[derekr44]

I'd be up for a good Sci-Fi MMORPG......does one exist?

Yup, and it will be the game to unseat WoW. It's called Starcraft Online (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=32610).

[Doc Robot]

1. What do you mean with MMORG? That word doesn't exist.

You've obviously never played World of Warcraft.

MMORG = Massively Multiplayer Online Reputation Grind

[Sukarn]

You've obviously never played World of Warcraft.

MMORG = Massively Multiplayer Online Reputation Grind

Really? I thought MMORG = Massively Multiplayer Online Repetitive Grind

[kutagh]

I'm pretty sure you knew exactly what he was talking about...do we really need to make a big deal out of typo's? ......The answer is no.

And I'd have to agree with WoW being boring now....I liked it at the start, but then it became full of 2 kinds of people: 1) Annoying kids, and 2) People who are way too hardcore.

I think with some more refining, Guild Wars could oust WoW...maybe. And hey, there's no monthly fee!

I'd be up for a good Sci-Fi MMORPG......does one exist?

A good sci-fi MMORPG is/was Anarchy Online. However, the level cap is 200 and is loads of grinding... Unless you buy expansion packs which cut the grinding a bit *sigh* Whether it is worth it, I don't know... But it is quite popular...

What I would like is something like WoW in terms of PvP/raiding. Mass PvE and such is enjoyable, and I like raiding cities as well :) Add in that I don't want to spend that much time to hit the level cap and getting geared and such, but not too easy though, and you will have a hard time balancing the game properly.

What about making a sci-fi MMORPG which is exactly that and has more options (a pure PvP server, a pure raiding server, that kind of things)

[bfakefree]

I must admit, I've been away from the linux action for some time now, have vista for work reasons, so was very impressed with whats going on. Played Open Arena, not the best game in the world, but not bad either.

I had a look at second life, is this linux based and can u do online shopping from virtual stores, or can you only buy virtual stuff like land etc. I suppose I have a more wild imagination where shoppers can shop while the horde scum raid your city. (as a shopper you should choose before hand weather you want to be PvP so as not to be disturbed) This will help bring in revune to plough back into the game.

and no Steve...., i will not be a developer or fund a new project because programming or games is not in my skill set, all I was saying is that if some visionary or poineer has the balls to go with a project and choose what poeple want then he can be very successful and make millions very happy (with me being one of them), and all your alternatives stink becuase simply put WOW has 9 million paying subs and until someone can come up with numbers like that then they haven't made it... yet

[bobulator]

In my opinion, an MMORPG is a very hard thing to make as an open source program with next-to-no funding.

A massive amount of content (maps, items etc) will have to be created and servers will have to be kept running 24/7, and if this means getting up in the middle of the night, then so be it.

One idea is to make a game that encourages the use of user-generated content such as designing maps and maybe even items and many things could be automated.

But all of this takes a lot of time and a lot of money and a lot of dedication and a lot of people working on it.

So I think that instead of making a new MMORPG, you should support something that already exists.