Ubuntu or Vista (why?)

[rasmus91]

Hi, i just wanted to know how many who, prefer either Ubuntu or Vista, and why...

My own opinion is: Ubuntu, Vista is to unstable, insecure and it can be much harder to make anything that was actually made for windows work in Vista, wireless connection; forget it, drag your internet cable around anywhere. also: it requires for to much of the system compared to how effective it actually is!



(Just one thing... i haven't tried to make a poll before so if this fails, don't be angry! :) )

[tommohawk]

Ubuntu everytime. I haven't used windows for months although I did buy Vista when it came out and was a beta tester for Microsoft I just find that the interface already looks dated compared to compiz-fusion and most of the features I want to use are available under a Linux OS anyway.

I am addicted to OS customisation and find that I can do more in Linux than I could ever do in a Windows OS, and I can do it much easier

I never had any wireless problems in Vista, in fact I had more in Gutsy until I upgraded to the development version of Hardy.

Finally, I have been an Ubuntu user since 2005 and have messed around with Linux for a few years prior to that. What has impressed me the most is the pace at which Linux develops. Look at Ubuntu Breezy (5.10) compared to the next release (8.10 - Hardy). The difference is more significant in 3 years compared to the difference between XP(2001) and Vista(2007).

Oh yeah, Ubuntu is free! (a minor point - I would pay for Ubuntu)

[dan l]

I love the phrasing of the post.


Vista is why I use Ubuntu - mainly because Vista is ebola for computers.

[argraff]

Ubuntu - can't afford Vista, and even if I could, Ubuntu has everything I need and more. I just got a movie editor, and I've never even thought of trying that field. I never would have with Vista, because I probably would have had to pay for it.

Ubuntu inspires creativity. :)

[matherians2]

Ubuntu - Windows Vista uses a lot of memory and Windows Vista costs a lot more money.

[umattu]

ubuntu for sure!!!

Vista is a bloated, glossy, resource hog.

To get the complete OS, it will set you back a few hundred dollars, getting an office suite on Vista is going to cost a few hundred more, not to mention that it would cost even more to upgrade hardware to make Vista "liveable".

I personally saw more of a "learning curve" just navigating Vista than I did switching to ubuntu.

I like to be in control of my machine, from hardware to software, and with Windows (any flavor) this is not possible.

Most of all I don't have to spend an hour or so a month in maintenance on ubuntu like I did in XP and is probably the same in Vista. ie. Virus scans, defragging, malware/spyware tools, etc.

also all of the things that the previous posts mention!

ubuntu rules!!!!!

[MellonCollie]

My own opinion is: Ubuntu, Vista is to unstable, insecure and it can be much harder to make anything that was actually made for windows work in Vista, wireless connection; forget it, drag your internet cable around anywhere. also: it requires for to much of the system compared to how effective it actually is!



Is your opinion based on your own usage of Windows Vista?

[CM Xtasy]

ubuntu for sure!!!

Vista is a bloated, glossy, resource hog.

To get the complete OS, it will set you back a few hundred dollars, getting an office suite on Vista is going to cost a few hundred more, not to mention that it would cost even more to upgrade hardware to make Vista "liveable".

I personally saw more of a "learning curve" just navigating Vista than I did switching to ubuntu.

I like to be in control of my machine, from hardware to software, and with Windows (any flavor) this is not possible.

Most of all I don't have to spend an hour or so a month in maintenance on ubuntu like I did in XP and is probably the same in Vista. ie. Virus scans, defragging, malware/spyware tools, etc.

also all of the things that the previous posts mention!

ubuntu rules!!!!!

Spending money for software isn't an issue if you know your way around...

[Psykotik]

Certainly a most relevant poll on an ubuntu forum.

[Whiffle]

I've used vista on my dads laptop, it seemed oversimplified to the point of being obtuse. For example. I was logging onto the internet, using dialup. I thought "I wonder if...", and unplugged the modem. I hit the dial button, Vista tried to log on. It didn't get anywhere, and gave me an error to the effect that there was something wrong with the network, nothing telling me about the lack of a dial tone. It had a little button there, "diagnose this problem", or something to that effect. I clicked it, and it sat there and thank for a bit. It couldn't figure it out. It came back and told me that it could not fix the problem. Every OS i've ever used, except vista, tells me if the cord is unplugged. Had the cord been behind my computer on the floor and gotten unplugged somehow, I would have been a very confused individual. Its little things like that that make me thing its oversimplified entirely too much.

I can get vista for free from school, and I have zero desire to take them up on the offer.

On the other hand, I'm not a huge fan of ubuntu for various reasons either. Actually pretty much the only thing keeping me here is the nice out of the box acpi support on my laptop. If it weren't for that I'd probably go for Sidux or debian or something.

[rasmus91]

Is your opinion based on your own usage of Windows Vista?


Yes it sure is, I was at a boarding school where i had to borrow one of my friends labtop. It was brand new, and "should" be very fast. I had so much problems getting GW running, and when it finally did the computer restarted all of a sudden... Also i had a whole lot of problems with vira, and when my friend didn't know anything about computers i had to do all the work. I just have to tell you, yes my opinion is based on my own use. first i thought Vista was great, you didn't have to setup the internet to make it run, but after 1 hour in front of the computer I hated Vista.

you might say that's just because i don't know anything about computers. but i'm pretty used to windows, and fixing the problems it brings a long, but it was the administration limitation in windows Vista that drove me crazy...

I'll never use it my self...

(was that enough?)

[sayakb]

For me, Linux is more secure, fast, and has great customizability.

[chewearn]

Just to stir up the pot, I voted for Vista! Then, I found out there were already 4 other people in the Vista camp.
:lolflag:

EDIT:
"Don't know" is still zero vote, mmm... too late trying to be funny.

[rasmus91]

People who Voted for Vista, are you serious?

I didn't set up this Thread to be funny, but to see why people use Ubuntu, and how many who actually would prefer Vista...

[Laibcoms]

Ubuntu is a FLOSS OS, so hands-down.

Why not Vista? Well, Vista is the "Second Windows ME". For those who do not know or not aware of the reality, Windows ME was simply a "test" product they released years ago to test new stuff that will go to the "real" product, which is Windows XP.

Windows Vista is exactly that. They are currently developing the "real" "NextGen" Windows OS which is slated to be released 2010 to 2012 according to latest target dates.

So if I will buy my next MS Win OS, I will wait for that. Im not going to waste money for the Second iteration of Windows ME.

:p

[chewearn]

People who Voted for Vista, are you serious?

I didn't set up this Thread to be funny, but to see why people use Ubuntu, and how many who actually would prefer Vista...

Ok, my bad. Apologies.

It just that after awhile, these ubuntu vs windows threads get a bit old; it just a bit pointless, don't you know? So you put in a joke or two.

I will go away now, and stop being an fool.:)

[ellalan]

Ubuntu is much better than Vista, I installed Ubuntu last Sunday and I haven't touched my lap top(with pre-installed vista) until now. Ubuntu is stable, fast and I love it. Mine is Pentiumlll, 512MB RAM and 10GB Disc space, it is 1999 model but works like a new PC when I switched from XP to Ubuntu. I don't worry about recovery disc for my Vista(OEM versions do not provide recovery disc) any more because when it crashes it is time to say ADIOS.

[MellonCollie]

. I just have to tell you, yes my opinion is based on my own use.


That's cool - I wasn't picking a fight with you! :) I asked because some people's opinions on Vista aren't based on personal experience.



People who Voted for Vista, are you serious?


Yes. :razz: I've been using it for over a year now without any problems. It runs well on my ageing PC, has been rock-solid in terms of stability, and does everything I need it to. I enjoy using it.

[darksong]

vista - its idiot proof. Ubuntu isn't.

[bred]

I think that the interface of Vista already looks dated...You need a antivirus to buy and a good firewall also.
I'm on Ubuntu 2 weeks and I adore it, its FREE and you have everything you need: to surf the net, no viruses, integrated firewall, you can play mp3, videos etc - for Free. Why to pay money to Microsoft for OS with bugs... In a market you buy a PC and you don't have the freedom to choose your OS, it come with Windows OS already...
Thx guys for developing Ubuntu and for amazing forum with tons of HOW TO

[Crooksey]

A forum full of ubuntu fanboys will give you a great result.

Not everyone wants to spend time getting there computer to work with no offical support, thus why 80% of computer users will be using Windows OS's.

For people who want to get more out of their computer, and dont want to get thier hands dirty, then Linux based OS's are great, but not everyone wants this.

As far as the general question, Vista is a better OS than Ubuntu, simply for the facts of:

Userbase
Support
Programs created for Vista


I myself have been a Linux user and probably will be for years, but the simple fact is, Vista is a better OS, but for all the wrong reasons.

There are many "what if" arguments, "what if mainstream games were released for linux", "what if openoffice was as good and well used as word". Fact is, what if's dont mean anything, fact Vista is better, although I hate to admit it.

Before any fan boys start an arugment, dont.

EDIT- For the record, I hate them both equally.

[cov]

Difficult to reply to your post without coming across as a 'fanboy'.

I don't have a machine with Vista, but I was handed a laptop with Vista and asked to fix it because it was impossibly slow.

Turned out it only had 512 Meg of RAM which made it almost unusable.

I cannot think why anyone would want Vista.

[Antman]

Ask this same question on a Windows forum and the poll would point to Vista.

But on THIS forum Ubuntu wins... :lolflag:

[bluewraith]

Ubuntu, of course. Going to be kind of a biased poll here...

Why? Well, when I bought my laptop it had Vista installed. (Still does, in fact). Played around with it for a few months and then decided I needed to get into linux. Did some shopping around and played with about 10 other distros before finally choosing Ubuntu.

Main reason for Ubuntu over Mandriva or Slackware? Community forums. Since I'm fairly new at Linux (used it a few years back for awhile) I decided that having a nice place to sit down and read solutions to problems would be a good thing. That, and the point and click package management is awesome.

Why do I still have Vista installed? Honestly I'm not sure. The day I installed Ubuntu, I gave it a 20gig partition. The next week (after booting Vista once) I gparted Vista down and gave all my free space to Ubuntu. I think Vista has about 10gig left on the partition. I havn't booted a Windows partition in a couple of months now because everything I used to do in Windows, I can do in Ubuntu.

Yes, it may take me a couple of hours longer to do something in Ubuntu (such as getting a wifi card to work), but thats the price I am willing to pay for a stable system. I have never once had a kernel panic. Under Vista, I was getting BSODs daily.

Ah.. I just remembered why I still have the Vista partition.... World of Warcraft. :) I dont want to get into the problems it has with WINE, so I just leave the Windows on there for that sole reason. (which is still odd, because I havn't played WoW for about 5 months now.. lol)

[Midwest-Linux]

Neither


Linux Mint 4.0, but since Linux Mint 4.0 is really Ubuntu redefined and tweaked I picked Ubuntu.

Like I have said in earlier posts, I needed another computer about a year ago. I went to several stores wanting a XP computer and could not find any (things are different now..a year later I CAN find brand new XP computers..go figure...saw several in MicroCenter, even in Walmart!).

I didn't want Vista, I don't belive DRM should be in a operating system, and I saw that you could not record off the sound card in a Vista machine like I could with my XP machine (I think since then some programs have by passed that limitation). I have a lot of vinyl that I needed to be transfered to MP3.

Plus I saw that Vista did not run my printer, camera and some other various programs. After all I read, and spoken to some people in the know...Vista was and is not in my future.


I looked elsewhere and did some searching and ended up here at the Ubuntu forums. I have since then installed Linux variants on several machines. I bought some computers on E-Bay, upgraded the RAM and hard drive and used them for testing Linux. I ended up with three Mac machines which Ubuntu runs quite nicely on.

I am in the process of migrating (not to Vista) but to Linux. Funny thing is if it wasn't for Vista I likely would not have ended up here. If MS released a OS that would run all my programs and apps and have equal or better performance as XP...I would not have been looking for alternatives.

So Vista did more to turn me away from Windows and to Linux. How Ironic, yet I see others who have similiar stories too. With MS ending XP sales in June and all that is left is Vista...I see more heading over to our direction of open source....including governments, government agencies and Corporate IT and small , mid level and larger companies. Red Hat put Linux on the map, Ubuntu took the world by storm!

[rs3]

Ubuntu.

Vista is expensive, proprietary, and needlessly demanding (bloated). Ubuntu is inexpensive (free), open (free), and reasonably demanding (yesteryear computers can run Gutsy quite well).

I value choice, and I get it with Ubuntu (and with GNU/Linux in general).

[Iam138]

, Vista is to unstable, insecure and it can be much harder to make anything that was actually made for windows work in Vista, wireless connection; forget it, drag your internet cable around anywhere. also: it requires for to much of the system compared to how effective it actually is!

Sombody has been reading too much nonsense on the interwebz or has never used the OS they are dogging. Either that or your running it on a PC with a P3 and 512MB RAM..maybe your just ignorant and/or so computer illiterate that even Vista is confusing for you (if the last is the case lord help you if you ever run into problems with Ubuntu).

Having said that I voted for Ubuntu.

[cov]

Sombody has been reading too much nonsense on the interwebz or has never used the OS they are dogging. Either that or your running it on a PC with a P3 and 512MB RAM..maybe your just ignorant and/or so computer illiterate that even Vista is confusing for you (if the last is the case lord help you if you ever run into problems with Ubuntu).

Having said that I voted for Ubuntu.

Yeah, but why should a P3 with 512 meg be inadequate for Vista?

I run my Laptop with XP and high end CAD applications (not available on Linux) with 512 Meg with scarcely any complaint.

Vista crawls with that spec; and that's without any apps running....

[Iam138]

Yeah, but why should a P3 with 512 meg be inadequate for Vista?

I run my Laptop with XP and high end CAD applications (not available on Linux) with 512 Meg with scarcely any complaint.

Vista crawls with that spec; and that's without any apps running....

I agree there is no real reason for it to take up so much resouces but it's no secret it does so why do people insist on running it on inadequate hardware? The same people who complain about Vista being a resource hog are the same people who cried when 98/2000/XP were each released. It's footprint is too big, my ancient hardware won't run it right, my outdated apps. won't work with it, boo hoo cry me a river. If you don't like it use Linux or get new hardware. Most machines that won't run Vista well won't run quite a few new software apps with any efficiency either. Try encoding a few 100 hours of video on a P3 rig running 512MB of RAM whether it's in Vista or XP or Linux.

If you can't afford new hardware or are just happy with what you have that's one thing but the fact of the matter is that Vista can be and has been for me a seamless experience. Why? Because I knew what it required to run well before I installed it same as I did when I enabled Compiz-Fusion and all it's various eye-candy in Ubuntu or do if I buy a PC game.

As I stated earlier I voted for Ubuntu b/c I prefer it for most applications and I have only used it for a short time. In fact if I didn't need Vista to run benchmarks I'd just do away with the Vista partition all together. So you see if anything I am biased towards Ubuntu.

[sysdrum]

:lolflag: Where Do I start I am advanced sys_admin who uses many systems so old that most where programed with code created before I was born... upto well servers running 2k8 test beds... I will say ... I remember when XP home and Pro hit the market. I had a NT 4.0 APP that ran a UNIX share under a third party *Shared Env.* and if you know anything about main frames and NT you know why the XP Pro machines would *BSOD* if you tried to run the app. but you ran a ssh to the box and the app ran fine one the XP ipx installed...... now it brings me to ubuntu vs vista and the reason I have to live with both and love and hate them like a bad case of something not spoken about in public.
Vista Sucks because Well because it just does... to much to little time to change it and well Ip 6??? anyone?? anyone?? yeah ummm wpa2 not using aes..... yeah XP and VISTA suck at that....

okay *nix not just ubuntu but all Direct dev paths... pick a point of direction stick to it.... Make it user friendly or make server admin friendly not both...Two many ways to one goal... I like that ubuntu is pushing the user front but drop the server side let say CentOS or it's big brother RH run that show... that is the problem... with MS products also... TO many Fish in one small bowl.
I choose both and neither... Why because MS feeds me and *nix keeps me alive inside :confused:
If Don't know what I mean then I am sorry I lost you at IPX ... Have your Father expalin that to you because I don't have the time.. and I to cmd to net ipconfig /release >/renew I might as well just Fdisk the whole
peace be with those that bow to the source

[masque7]

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[RJ Hythloday]

kind of a biased place for a poll, I think were almost entirely *nix users here. Maybe a handful of dual booters, but only if we haven't found a work around yet.

[ch_123]

I agree there is no real reason for it to take up so much resouces but it's no secret it does so why do people insist on running it on inadequate hardware? The same people who complain about Vista being a resource hog are the same people who cried when 98/2000/XP were each released. It's footprint is too big, my ancient hardware won't run it right, my outdated apps. won't work with it, boo hoo cry me a river. If you don't like it use Linux or get new hardware. Most machines that won't run Vista well won't run quite a few new software apps with any efficiency either. Try encoding a few 100 hours of video on a P3 rig running 512MB of RAM whether it's in Vista or XP or Linux.


When XP first came out in 2001, I was able to get a copy of it and installed it on my PC, which at the time was a 400MHz Pentium II with 64MB of RAM. Now, it didnt exactly fly, but once it booted up, it was definitely usable, even with all the games I used. Now, fast forward to about a month ago, I had to set up some software on my neighbor's new laptop - I cant remember exact specs, but I had a 2GHz+ Athlon Dual core, a Gigabyte of RAM and integrated ATi Graphics. This was a brand new PC, and it was running like something that was 3 or 4 years old, because of Vista. If it was my laptop, I would have removed Vista ASAP, but I doubt my neigbor would have wanted me to do that, so I tuned it to the best of my abilities, and left it.

I used Vista myself for about 2 months. It was definitely slower than XP, but it was (just about) acceptable. Truth be told, after a while I came to the conclusion that it didnt really do anything that XP could do (for my own usage I stress, I don't want to start a flamewar about "Vista can do XYZ...") and decided whatever features it did have didnt justify the decrease in performance and not being able to use some old software or whatnot. Of course, if Vista makes some drastic improvements I would consider changing back to it, but I doubt thats going to happen anytime soon. Thats why I still use good 'ol XP alongside Linux

At any rate, this is something of a biased poll. Perhaps even "Ubuntu vs. Windows version of your choice" would have been better.

[jonnieH]

Like Sysdrum I am ancient, forgotten most of what I once new and anway, I prefer fishing to coding now. I've played and administered many OS's over the years (Can't even remember what the OS was of that old Elliot 809 with 8k of ferrite core that we wrote least squares fits routines in Algol on 40+ years ago!) All I know is that I've got a nominally dual boot Acer 64bit AMD box with a gig plus of ram and Vista runs like a dog! (and that's after I've judiciously pruned out all the unwanted "services") I may as well delete the Windows partition because I can't ever see me needing or wanting it. Ubuntu has been like a breath of fresh air, it Boots from cold in 43 seconds (cf Vista is still churning away after four and a half minutes) If I want extra software, I ask the synaptic package manager nicely and like magic it's installed! It's stable fast and efficient with all the tools I could possibly want - why would I ever want to pay for Mr Gates irritating software?

[kamaboko]

kind of a biased place for a poll, I think were almost entirely *nix users here. Maybe a handful of dual booters, but only if we haven't found a work around yet.

Exactly. Might as well go to a Ford enthusiast website and take a poll on what they like more: Ford or Toyota.

I'm sooooooooooooo tired of these threads. They've been done to death, resurrected, and killed again.

[vishzilla]

Without any doubt, Ubuntu! I've to upgrade my system to install Vista

[Fri13]

i prefer Linux and not Vista.

Linux is much more secure than Vista and you can have easier to learn GUI (Gnome) to it. And user can choose what kind distribution to use, what makes easier to start. Ubuntu is good distribution for promoting Linux Operating System!

[rasmus91]

Ok, my bad. Apologies.

It just that after awhile, these ubuntu vs windows threads get a bit old; it just a bit pointless, don't you know? So you put in a joke or two.

I will go away now, and stop being an fool.:)

:) I didn't think of that when i started this, but i would think it's interesting to see why and how many people who would actually prefer Vista, or Ubuntu...

[rasmus91]

A forum full of ubuntu fanboys will give you a great result.

Not everyone wants to spend time getting there computer to work with no offical support, thus why 80% of computer users will be using Windows OS's.

For people who want to get more out of their computer, and dont want to get thier hands dirty, then Linux based OS's are great, but not everyone wants this.

As far as the general question, Vista is a better OS than Ubuntu, simply for the facts of:

Userbase
Support
Programs created for Vista


I myself have been a Linux user and probably will be for years, but the simple fact is, Vista is a better OS, but for all the wrong reasons.




There are many "what if" arguments, "what if mainstream games were released for linux", "what if openoffice was as good and well used as word". Fact is, what if's dont mean anything, fact Vista is better, although I hate to admit it.

Before any fan boys start an arugment, dont.

EDIT- For the record, I hate them both equally.


But the fact that games are released for Windows, and a whole lot of other things are doesn't make it the OS in itself better.

Its like having a Playstation or X-box, the quality of the console doesn't depend on which games are released for the console, it depends on what can run fastest and are most stable...


Ask this same question on a Windows forum and the poll would point to Vista.

But on THIS forum Ubuntu wins...

yeah but i think the difference is that many of us who use Linux have tried out windows, on the other hand people who use windows think they know a lot about Linux which is why they will vote different...

Thats at least my own experience when asking people face to face...

[Iam138]

Like Sysdrum I am ancient, forgotten most of what I once new and anway, I prefer fishing to coding now. I've played and administered many OS's over the years (Can't even remember what the OS was of that old Elliot 809 with 8k of ferrite core that we wrote least squares fits routines in Algol on 40+ years ago!) All I know is that I've got a nominally dual boot Acer 64bit AMD box with a gig plus of ram and Vista runs like a dog! (and that's after I've judiciously pruned out all the unwanted "services") I may as well delete the Windows partition because I can't ever see me needing or wanting it. Ubuntu has been like a breath of fresh air, it Boots from cold in 43 seconds (cf Vista is still churning away after four and a half minutes) If I want extra software, I ask the synaptic package manager nicely and like magic it's installed! It's stable fast and efficient with all the tools I could possibly want - why would I ever want to pay for Mr Gates irritating software?

If Vista is taking 4 1/2 minutes to boot or Ubuntu 43 seconds you've got hardware issues plain and simple. Vista and Ubuntu both boot in about 20 seconds or less even on both the rigs in my sig.

This is a pointless troll ohhhh..I mean poll, anyway. I prefer Ubuntu for almost everything but Vista also runs like a top on both my main rigs. In fact I can't tell any difference in response time between the 2.

[kool_kat_os]

xp pro is what i would get

[KiwiNZ]

Hi, i just wanted to know how many who, prefer either Ubuntu or Vista, and why...

My own opinion is: Ubuntu, Vista is to unstable, insecure and it can be much harder to make anything that was actually made for windows work in Vista, wireless connection; forget it, drag your internet cable around anywhere. also: it requires for to much of the system compared to how effective it actually is!



(Just one thing... i haven't tried to make a poll before so if this fails, don't be angry! :) )

I cant agree with your discription of vista . Wireless connection is a no brainer with it. Works very well.

As to the broader question , it depends on the hardware you are using , the purpose you are putting it and your budget.

[zetetic]

Iam138: You must be a Micro$oft funboy to say something like that.

I know they are giving money and laptops to people to say lies (and I don't mean that it is your case, but don't believe anything you read...)

[Iam138]

Iam138: You must be a Micro$oft funboy to say something like that.

I know they are giving money and laptops to people to say lies (and I don't mean that it is your case, but don't believe anything you read...)

I'm not a fanboy of any OS unless it might be Ubuntu or PCLinxOS but I do know how well Vista runs on my own rigs. All my statements are based my own user experience.

I don't believe everything I read. For example I don't believe Linux has too be user "unfriendly" but I read that all the time. I also don't believe that you have no control over UAC and updates etc. in Vista b/c that's also simply not so.

[sp0nge]

Ubuntu is the way to go. More control over the system, better price tag, more educational, and the list goes on..

[zetetic]

Ubuntu is the way to go. More control over the system, better price tag, more educational, and the list goes on..

I couldn't agree more with you. Only Micro$oft funboys could say the contrary.

[ellalan]

Hi
My Internet speed is 5376kb/s Down,448kb/s Up when I use PentiumIII(1999) with Ubuntu.
My Internet speed is 4001kb/s Down,373kb/s Up when I use Laptop Intel dual core with Vista.
I rest my case.

[Iam138]

I couldn't agree more with you. Only Micro$oft funboys could say the contrary.

Hi
My Internet speed is 5376kb/s Down,448kb/s Up when I use PentiumIII(1999) with Ubuntu.
My Internet speed is 4001kb/s Down,373kb/s Up when I use Laptop Intel dual core with Vista.
I rest my case.

I guess Ubuntu really is idiot proof.

[jken146]

I had to use Vista once, for almost a whole hour. It wasn't pleasant, I can tell you.

[Het Irv]

I booted to my Vista Partition today, (work related). I soon discovered that Vista had deleted all of my downloaded Sidebar apps, IE settings. It had also forgotten to start the Sidebar on boot and another program that I use to give me multiple desktops. I don't want to use an OS that says, "wait...What did you want me to do when I boot up"

I still don't have my fonts right since the big forget.

[Het Irv]

I'm not a fanboy of any OS unless it might be Ubuntu or PCLinxOS but I do know how well Vista runs on my own rigs. All my statements are based my own user experience.

I don't believe everything I read. For example I don't believe Linux has too be user "unfriendly" but I read that all the time. I also don't believe that you have no control over UAC and updates etc. in Vista b/c that's also simply not so.

As to the updates, this is personal experience talking. I didn't even notice that Windows had updated until I saw that they pushed an update on a an Online Blog, when I look for the changes I found them. Also after an update requiring a restart Windows forces you to restart in five minuets.

[swazidoughman]

-Ubuntu for every day regular tasks & for general slickness
& smoothness

-Vista (XP actually) for Gaming

-Mac OS X .........

:guitar:
:guitar:
:guitar:

[Daplaya05]

idk...i use both. vista for my desktop, xubuntu on my laptop(which i just got it working :) )
i like vista more for its look and xubuntu i like because i can get everything free and it runs much faster.

[Iam138]

As to the updates, this is personal experience talking. I didn't even notice that Windows had updated until I saw that they pushed an update on a an Online Blog, when I look for the changes I found them. Also after an update requiring a restart Windows forces you to restart in five minuets.

That's b/c you don't know how to select how Windows updates...

If your an Administrator Vista DOES NOT enforce auto restarts period end of story.

Too all the people who keep throwing fanboy around as I have already stated I prefer Ubuntu but I can't stand people making ignorant statements about ANY OS or any subject period. Really if Vista and a simple thing such as changing how it updates itself by point and click is beyond your comprehension how do you ever manage with Ubuntu?

[Taino]

Ubuntu..

(Why?).. many... many reasons...

Here's an example of a good reason.

Article on Vista (http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128669-page,1/article.html)


The full version of Windows Vista Ultimate costs $399. If you have an XP CD, and don't mind the hassle, the upgrade version of Vista Ultimate costs $259. Ouch!


$399.? vrs (free)?

[karellen]

Certainly a most relevant poll on an ubuntu forum.
:lolflag: I second that

[rasmus91]

Sombody has been reading too much nonsense on the interwebz or has never used the OS they are dogging. Either that or your running it on a PC with a P3 and 512MB RAM..maybe your just ignorant and/or so computer illiterate that even Vista is confusing for you (if the last is the case lord help you if you ever run into problems with Ubuntu).



RIIIIIGHT!!!

have had my problems already.... nothing i couldn't solve... (yet at least :D but any way, my brothers computer came with Vista... BTW i have not said anything about Vista that was not based on my own experience...

[ghandi69_]

Hmmm interesting to see Ubuntu winning this poll...

Over in the Windows forums, I saw the same poll and Vista came out on top...

:confused:

[Het Irv]

That's b/c you don't know how to select how Windows updates...

If your an Administrator Vista DOES NOT enforce auto restarts period end of story.

Too all the people who keep throwing fanboy around as I have already stated I prefer Ubuntu but I can't stand people making ignorant statements about ANY OS or any subject period. Really if Vista and a simple thing such as changing how it updates itself by point and click is beyond your comprehension how do you ever manage with Ubuntu?

Learn something new everyday, thanks for the tip.

[lespaul_rentals]

Vista is far better. It recognized my wireless card out of the box and hardware support is considerably better. Plus, I can use great antivirus programs like Norton on Vista. There is no Norton for Linucks as far as I know! Plus, Microsoft support is great.

Unbunto would always crash for me, had so many problems with it. I even got a virus with it. Forget what they say about no viruses! I got hacked and had to change my social security number and everything.

So I always tell people to go to Vista! :biggrin:

[Iam138]

Vista is far better. It recognized my wireless card out of the box and hardware support is considerably better. Plus, I can use great antivirus programs like Norton on Vista. There is no Norton for Linucks as far as I know! Plus, Microsoft support is great.

Unbunto would always crash for me, had so many problems with it. I even got a virus with it. Forget what they say about no viruses! I got hacked and had to change my social security number and everything.

So I always tell people to go to Vista! :biggrin:

I wouldn't say it's far better or even better at all. It's different for sure, better no. As far as "great" anti-virus go Norton is not one of them it's a resource hungry, bloated piece of malware you pay for. Use Avast or AVG they are both free and have no adware attached and are just as effective as Norton/Symatec or more.

BTW Avast has a Linux Home Edition. http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-for-linux-edition.html

[rasmus91]

... the free version of Bit defender is also a very very effective anti virus. and the none free Version is the best firewall + anti virus I've ever experienced... (Norton is a piece of crappy malware)

[agray]

I use both vista and Ubuntu and i must say that on my laptop, ubuntu wins hands down. It's faster and compiz is 100 times better than aero. and ubuntu doesn't take up 9GB of my hard drive after a fresh install. I do however have to use vista on one my desktops cause my wife isn't really familiar with linux, but it doesn't matter cause she uses mac os x at uni and we'll either get a mac or I'll convince her to use linux someday.

[jargs]

Vista is far better. It recognized my wireless card out of the box and hardware support is considerably better. Plus, I can use great antivirus programs like Norton on Vista. There is no Norton for Linucks as far as I know! Plus, Microsoft support is great.

Unbunto would always crash for me, had so many problems with it. I even got a virus with it. Forget what they say about no viruses! I got hacked and had to change my social security number and everything.

So I always tell people to go to Vista! :biggrin:

WTF? Are you retarded or something?

[CM Xtasy]

WTF? Are you retarded or something?

Either that or he's being very sarcastic lol.

Both operating systems are resource hogs, but I still prefer Ubuntu :)

[cprofitt]

I suspect the poll is a little biased being put on a Linux board...

But currently my vote for a home user w/ a new machine would be Vista.

For a technically adept user my vote would be Arch or Debian Linux. (Arch for KDE folk and Debian for Gnome folk).

[Chemroydal Tissue]

I've only done troubleshooting on a single Vista machine, but Ubuntu is definitely the way to go.

[NightwishFan]

If someone offered me a free Vista or Mac Os X I would still get a machine with Kubuntu.

[Aeph]

Vista's not that bad. Well... it looks nice. That (along with DX10) is about all it has going for it. I'd use it for gaming if it wasn't so expensive.
That being said, Ubuntu looks just as nice if not better thanks to Compiz. It is also free. And it isn't made by Microsoft. Ubuntu > Vista.

[screaminj3sus]

I haven't been able to use ubuntu yet since I built my new pc last month. I bought vista :o

I actually really like vista, my experience with it has been flawless. I am running 64 bit home Premium on a X2 5000+, 4 GB RAM, x1950PRO, 250GB HDD (only cost 600 bucks) Installation was easy and quick, drivers no problem, installed all my games (F.E.A.R/F.E.A.R extraction Point, Bioshock, Orange Box, COD4 and Doom 3) All run perfectly. No program compatibility issues, it is very fast and responsive, boots in 35 seconds and shuts down in 6. SP1 made it even faster, I honestly have not had any problems, I don't know why people bash it so much.

Features like instant search and aero are great. my only gripes are they unnecessarily moved some things around (control panel is annoying now)

I have no clue how the hell linux and OSX users bash UAC so much, I like Linux's and OSX's method, and vista's is pretty much the same, it really doesn't come upthat much, only when I am installing programs do I see it and it would be the same in linux. SP1 also reduces the number of prompts. I see pros and cons for all the major OS's, I think overall vista is solid and stable, just not the massive upgrade it was hyped up to be.

I'm waiting until hardy before I try linux again on my other drive.

[Joeb454]

Put simply - both...

I use Ubuntu for around 90% of things now

But I like to keep up with the Windows releases (I'm doing a degree in computer science, I figured it'd be a good idea to know how to use Windows as well as *nix ;))

[lespaul_rentals]

vista...shuts down in 6 [seconds].

What? :o Do you pull the power cord? I have never heard of any system shutting down that fast, ever. It just doesn't sound possible, unless you somehow modified the kernel or motherboard firmware to immediately kill power.

[NightwishFan]

My Vista is tweaked and my shutdown seems unreasonably fast. It is like it wants to be shut down. =)

I think anything that seems good about Vista is a trick somehow. I am not saying this to start flame. Its just it crawls sometimes, and then other times its fast. Illusory like.

[terry_gardener]

i picked ubuntu

i dont like vista because of several reasons: uac, windows defender, program compatibility, DRM and resource hog.

I didn't get any serious problems with vista while i used about 6 months. it was mainly software compatibility, ie when i started using vista i had to change both my firewall and antivirus programs.

i checked how much resources it used just after it booted and i was shocked that it used about 30% of ram (2gb ram) all this included was the default windows service/aero and antivirus and firewall program. i dual booted it with ubuntu back then 7.04 and it used 11% of ram (included beryl with most the affects enabled)

also UAC use to drive me nuts.

[Alienware user]

I choose ubuntu and i don't even have it installed :), just to show how much i hate vista, and im just waiting until ubuntu 8.04 coming out next month then ill install it, if my pheonix tech bios alows me to install it.....Becuase i heard a rumor that microsoft and pheniox made a deal that all their new bios will not allow you to have another os other then vista.

And also, vista's user account control is so friken dumb, vista uses 30% of you ram idle (2gb) ,the boot time is rediculis, its a wonder why vista tries to replace the sleep mode with the shutdown button, even though 40% of the time you use sleep mode youll get a blue screen after you wake it up!And if that blue screen doesn't hit you, your usb will not work at all until you achualy "shutdown" your system.

[billgoldberg]

I've used windows vista home premium and vista home basic.

They were good for an windows os.

It sure looks alot nicer that the design horror that is windows xp (blue and green!, really?)

I had no real hardware support issues, I had to download a few drivers online, but nothing I couldn't handle.

The only serious problem I had with is that copying files was SLOW, when I mean slow I mean 100-300 kb/s! Transferring a few gigs to an external hard drive took hours.

I removed vista because, well I like ubuntu better.

I won't list the obvious reasons why, lets just say vista (and xp) made me feel like I have no control.

I now run ubuntu 7.10 only, but this evening I will be installing a slimmed down (200mb) version of win xp for my gaming needs (first person shooter and rts games aren't playable on a console).

[jacob01]

i like the freedom of linux, the support and i find it alot more stable and faster than xp and even more compared to vista.

you could just shut down windows and start it up the next day, not doing any thing wrong and then you get some random fatal error or blue screen... this unreliability is what i don't like

yes there are alot more programs for windows but small bugs and problems sometimes don't get fixed as fast.

[GreigKM]

I got a computer with Vista on it. I installed XP and then Ubuntu. Vista is WAY to flawed to deal with.
P.S. Ubuntu is still, and will always be, the best OS!

[Bruce M.]

I wonder how the results would look if this was a Vista Forum? :)

Either way I choose Ubuntu for one very simple reason.

I've never seen Vista. Never, not in a computer store, not on a friends computer ... never.

So how could I possibly have chosen Vista.

My last Windows was W2K, bought in 2000 and used until July last year, when I installed Ubuntu.

I would still choose Ubuntu over W2K., or WinME (never saw it) Win98, Win95, Win 3.11 for WorkGroups, my first Win version. I held on to DOS as long as I could.

[Iam138]

I've used windows vista home premium and vista home basic.

They were good for an windows os.

It sure looks alot nicer that the design horror that is windows xp (blue and green!, really?)

I had no real hardware support issues, I had to download a few drivers online, but nothing I couldn't handle.

The only serious problem I had with is that copying files was SLOW, when I mean slow I mean 100-300 kb/s! Transferring a few gigs to an external hard drive took hours.

I removed vista because, well I like ubuntu better.

I won't list the obvious reasons why, lets just say vista (and xp) made me feel like I have no control.

I now run ubuntu 7.10 only, but this evening I will be installing a slimmed down (200mb) version of win xp for my gaming needs (first person shooter and rts games aren't playable on a console).

Guess what there's a patch for that. Oh wait Ubuntu never releases patches do they?

i like the freedom of linux, the support and i find it alot more stable and faster than xp and even more compared to vista.

you could just shut down windows and start it up the next day, not doing any thing wrong and then you get some random fatal error or blue screen... this unreliability is what i don't like

yes there are alot more programs for windows but small bugs and problems sometimes don't get fixed as fast.

Your blue screening from your own incompetence plain and simple.

I got a computer with Vista on it. I installed XP and then Ubuntu. Vista is WAY to flawed to deal with.
P.S. Ubuntu is still, and will always be, the best OS!

i picked ubuntu

i dont like vista because of several reasons: uac, windows defender, program compatibility, DRM and resource hog.

I didn't get any serious problems with vista while i used about 6 months. it was mainly software compatibility, ie when i started using vista i had to change both my firewall and antivirus programs.

i checked how much resources it used just after it booted and i was shocked that it used about 30% of ram (2gb ram) all this included was the default windows service/aero and antivirus and firewall program. i dual booted it with ubuntu back then 7.04 and it used 11% of ram (included beryl with most the affects enabled)

also UAC use to drive me nuts.

UAC can be disabled very easily. If that gives you trouble how do you ever manage Synaptic? If you think Vista is a resource hog your an uneducated moron. "Super Fetch" Google is your friend.

Tell me another lie about Beryl and only 11%. Do you really think your fooling anyone?

I choose ubuntu and i don't even have it installed :), just to show how much i hate vista, and im just waiting until ubuntu 8.04 coming out next month then ill install it, if my pheonix tech bios alows me to install it.....Becuase i heard a rumor that microsoft and pheniox made a deal that all their new bios will not allow you to have another os other then vista.

And also, vista's user account control is so friken dumb, vista uses 30% of you ram idle (2gb) ,the boot time is rediculis, its a wonder why vista tries to replace the sleep mode with the shutdown button, even though 40% of the time you use sleep mode youll get a blue screen after you wake it up!And if that blue screen doesn't hit you, your usb will not work at all until you achualy "shutdown" your system.

See above, you simply repeat the Linux 1337 dogma.

I wonder how the results would look if this was a Vista Forum? :)

Either way I choose Ubuntu for one very simple reason.

I've never seen Vista. Never, not in a computer store, not on a friends computer ... never.

So how could I possibly have chosen Vista.

My last Windows was W2K, bought in 2000 and used until July last year, when I installed Ubuntu.

I would still choose Ubuntu over W2K., or WinME (never saw it) Win98, Win95, Win 3.11 for WorkGroups, my first Win version. I held on to DOS as long as I could.

Only honest response in the whole thread.

[Bruce M.]

Only honest response in the whole thread.

Why? Because I didn't mention:

the "Blue Screen of Death?
any virus I've had?
any syyware that got in?
freezes or lock-ups?
the hours required for "maintenance"

of the HD - defrag?
of downloading anti-virus definitions?
of downloading spyware definitions?
cleaning out the registry?

etc, etc.


I see a lot of honest posts here.
Bruce

[rasmus91]

Only honest response in the whole thread.


is it? then i suppose you're posts aren't reliable either... right?

[Bruce M.]

is it? then i suppose you're posts aren't reliable either... right?

Well said.

[Darkagentx]

I love ubuntu; but I've also had vista ever since I got this computer a year ago. And I know it has problems, how it's resource hungry, hardware hates it and all that; but I've not encountered any Blue screen type crashes and only one hardware problem. But I know other people do, so my luck doesn't excuse that, and aside from one thing which I'll get to; it's not much of an upgrade from xp. Plus it's high costs for licensing... yeah, not too crash hot. It's just not awful. Unless your position is not to nitpick and is your love of the free and open <3. Then you can hate it all you want, because it'll never be "free" in any sense. And I know that's the position of many here.

The UAC; finally sane protection *nix systems have had for ages; safeguards against administrative actions. What windows has needed in at least some form ever since it took it's place as the major OS player. I don't understand why so many people have a problem with it. It's only real flaw (in my opinion) that I've encountered with it is that it can't "learn" to my knowledge; so no exceptions (to give an example; much how many firewalls can be set to learning modes: "always allow/deny"). This is genuinely annoying when a startup program or some other very frequently ran application requires elevation. This and no temporary user elevation for multiple actions.

Most programs don't need it; often requiring elevation only when they want to update for example (as compared with a few that because they always try to in the background means they can't run without it).

The other thing complained about it "Oh, it bugs me all the time when I was just moving files around", but again as it protects against admin actions this'll only happen when you're operating out of your user/owner folders. Which shouldn't be happening too often. And that's the same in ubuntu; folders other than your Home cannot be manipulated without elevation. The difference? Unless set up to; it won't ask you when you try; usually through the console unless you've got the plugin for the right click option "Run as admin" (That's default now, right?).

I still intend to switch more fully to ubuntu as my skill improves; but it just bugs me to hear complaints given about UAC. It's the best thing about vista and it's copied~

[nebu]

ubuntu definately!!!

vista is just toooooo sluggish and half my hardware gives problems with the vista drivers!!!

[Circus-Killer]

well, i have a legal copy of vista home premium. i chose not to use it mostly for performance reasons. i get way better performance out of ubuntu. and another reason i stay with ubuntu is because maintenance on ubuntu is nothing compared to windows. tired of the defrags, malware, etc.

basically does what i need my computer can do, and it does it with such style and efficiency, i have no need to ever want to go back to windows.

[joe3204]

ubuntu or vista??? its like asking who would you rather sleep with rosie o donnell or pamela?????

of course pam!!!!

[PoopSlayer]

UBUNTU fo sho.
-Simplicity
-Not very many useless features
-Vista is indeed oversimplified. For example, I was working with a school laptop. Went to check out the visual cusomization area. A box with like 10 icons. As opposed to one window with 4 tabs on XP and 2 windows on an XFCE desktop.
-A linux system in general is much more customizable and accessable even if you don't have root/administration access.

[geo909]

Hi, i just wanted to know how many who, prefer either Ubuntu or Vista, and why...


Funny thing to ask in a forum dedicated to Ubuntu!
It seems to be one of those questions that makes people with same opinions come together and feel the joy of agreeing with each other! Found many of those questions in here!

Anyway, although they break my nerves sometimes, I use Ubuntu because Vista sucks so badly and make my 3GHz/1GB Ram Pc run like a bloody Commodore! I'm doing my job really well and I am not going to buy a new PC because Microsoft decided so.

[articpenguin]

What? :o Do you pull the power cord? I have never heard of any system shutting down that fast, ever. It just doesn't sound possible, unless you somehow modified the kernel or motherboard firmware to immediately kill power.

I had win 98 shutdown in 3 secs before =). 98 is the only windows os i like.

[emshains]

Well vista will offer the otb (out-of-thebox) compability, support and careless using, till you use the web. With ubuntu you can have all that, if you have the hardware, but you cant have the viruses.
Vista offers good looks otb, ubuntu offers compiz-fusion otb.
Vista offers maleware, spyware and viruses. Ubuntu doesnt.
Vista has games, ubuntu hasnt got that much.
Vista is starving for memory, ubuntu eats his bit while remembering that this is not an all can eat buffee. (i dont know that word)
Ubuntu offers costumization, Vista is stricktly solid.
Ubuntu doesnt need weekly scans, Vista will.
Ubuntu is free and you can redistribute it with your name on it, vista hits about 400 dollars in my country.
Ubuntu has user support (Canonical, forums), vista offers you to send report, along with all personal files.

Of course it sounds (reads) like another linux fans reply to vista. But then again thats just my opinion of vista and ubuntu, why would you listen or care?

[cometa2k7]

Ubuntu


Much faster, especially on old machnes
Very customisable - more room to be individual, and make life easier.
More efficient - Vista uses WAY too many resources.
Easier to keep up-to-date.
Free - I don't have to pay money to Micro$oft, wouldn't mind trying Mac though.
Diversity of programs and distributions - there is almost always something suitable.
Ease of finding and installing programs without trawling the net.
Not made by a company that reverts to unproven, and illogical claims to highten it's profits.
More secure.
Easier to get used to - XP to Vista transition is awful.

[Iam138]

Funny thing to ask in a forum dedicated to Ubuntu!
It seems to be one of those questions that makes people with same opinions come together and feel the joy of agreeing with each other! Found many of those questions in here!

Anyway, although they break my nerves sometimes, I use Ubuntu because Vista sucks so badly and make my 3GHz/1GB Ram Pc run like a bloody Commodore! I'm doing my job really well and I am not going to buy a new PC because Microsoft decided so.


My lord Vista runs like crap on a ancient P4 system MS told it would run like crap on? Go figure....Do you mean to tell me that the Netburst architecture was garbage yet you hold on to it b/c Ubuntu runs passably well on it? It never ceases to amaze me that so many "smart" Linux users are still so hardware ignorant.

Do any of you really expect anyone to buy the "no virus" dogma still? I am a huge fan of Ubuntu and a absolute hater of this community your constant fanyboy lies and double talk make we want to vomit. Thank god I have enough skill I no longer need the "support" of such a duplicitous "community".

\With that I say **** YOU UBUNTU FORUMS!

To the 2 above posters I could pick apart your utter garbage and have already done so here on numerous occasions your repetition of falsehoods and 1/2 truths begins too bore me...

[Zero Prime]

My lord Vista runs like crap on a ancient P4 system MS told it would run like crap on? Go figure....Do you mean to tell me that the Netburst architecture was garbage yet you hold on to it b/c Ubuntu runs passably well on it? It never ceases to amaze me that so many "smart" Linux users are still so hardware ignorant.

Do any of you really expect anyone to buy the "no virus" dogma still? I am a huge fan of Ubuntu and a absolute hater of this community your constant fanyboy lies and double talk make we want to vomit. Thank god I have enough skill I no longer need the "support" of such a duplicitous "community".

\With that I say **** YOU UBUNTU FORUMS!

To the 2 above posters I could pick apart your utter garbage and have already done so here on numerous occasions your repetition of falsehoods and 1/2 truths begins too bore me...

Trolling, trolling, trolling, keep them posts a trolling. ;)
Look, many people here are posting their personal experiences with Vista. They are correct, 100% correct. You are also correct. For you to ever have posted that anyone here has no hardware or software knowledge is very sad. To say it is the users fault that they get the BSOD is also very sad. I won't say that Vista is utter crap, but I will say that I have not seen a system yet that came pre-installed with Vista that worked worth a crap. Of course I have not seen all systems. My sister couldn't even get online with her set up. Odd thing is, my mother has the same exact system and had no problems. Vista is not for everyone just like Ubuntu is not for everyone and you have to remember that a lot of people here are here because of Vista. You can tear anyone's post apart all you want but it doesn't mean you are right.

[Jordanwb]

I don't know. I think both OSes have their highpoints.

Ubuntu:

Pros:


Uses free software
Smooth and stable
Gnome interface Looks damn cool
Installation was fast and easy


Cons:

Could have better driver support


Vista:

Pros:

Looks damn cool as well
Loving the start menu


Cons:

Takes me forever to browse a directory despite the fact I have a pretty fast PC
Windows Media Player 11

[chips24]

make ubuntu look like vista

than you could have both, a free version of vista with out the viruses!

[NightwishFan]

Or you could get Vixta and keep Ubuntu looking like it is (so customizable it looks how I want it to)

[markharding557]

one reason why i wont use windows vista or xp for that matter is m/s drm don't want it and i don't trust m/s updates.
iam138 your post would suggest you are definatly a windows fan

[NightwishFan]

Yeah I agree. I do not trust even having Vista on my main pc. I have my one test machine that is slightly better than the one I use now, however it has a valid Vista license. I keep it as I said for testing purposes. Out of the box that pc is so slow it is absurd. I finally have it whittled down to size and it runs well, but with bare functionality. I got rid of all the windows malware and I use OSS. With most services disabled (including superfetch) and the prefetch folder emptied it still runs at higher ram than my 64bit Ubuntu. I am not bashing it is merely the truth. I try to keep my day to day machines windows free.

[ciclo]

of course ubuntu
i can not do anything with vista
most of my softwares are on ubuntu
anyway, ubuntu is free and good to use

[Bölvaður]

Pre-installed student version of Vista in my country - 118,98 euro
Pre-installed ubuntu in my country - 0 euro

Full Vista cd with license - 318,60 euro
Ubuntu cd - 0.80 euro for the cd (blank cd)

There is no difference for me if I use Vista or Ubuntu. I'll run into problems, just different problems. Like I had different problems on this pc with XP on it, like I didn't get audio from my main audio output in XP but atm I got it plugged to an amp and am listening to music.

So I no not see any reason to pay more than 300 euros for having different problems than I have (overcome/got used to).
The only thing I'd gain from paying the extra 300 is being able to play 1 single game, which I can already do on XP and well... winehq website also claims to be able to run it.

Also if I'd get Vista I would need to adapt to it and learn how to deal with it, which is not nice. In Linux you'll always have the same bash commands.

[desertboy]

Ubuntu for many many reasons too numerous to go into but Vista is at least a step in the right direction by limiting the amount of admin accounts UAC is a blessing for all us users not just Vista users.

[terry_gardener]

UAC can be disabled very easily. If that gives you trouble how do you ever manage Synaptic? If you think Vista is a resource hog your an uneducated moron. "Super Fetch" Google is your friend.

Tell me another lie about Beryl and only 11%. Do you really think your fooling anyone?


I know that UAC can be disabled easily but what is the point to have a security feature and disabling it. since the uac pops up for almost everything that i did from installing programs to even running programs and other tasks it became the point that as soon as it came up i just pressed the continue button or allow sometimes even both popped up. ubuntu only pops when you doing something that affects multiple users and it asks for the password which is much better than having a continue button. just my opinion.

with regard to beryl running with 11% of ram (out of 2gb ram) is the truth why would anyone lie regarding this.

i have just read this entire post from the beginning and it does look like you came to this post wanting to argue with people from the beginning,

the views expressed by people on this post are the personal views and experience of both vista and ubuntu why come on and say that people are a bunch of morons for just expressing there opinions.

[NightwishFan]

Superfetch was the one variable I tried to solve my performance issues and it turns out it was the problem.

Problem: Battle for Middle Earth 2 Crashes
Actions taken: Disable Superfetch service and clean out prefetch folder.

Problem Solved.

[patrickaupperle]

ubuntu
speed stability looks price repos customibility. Am i missing something?

[greymongrey]

Am i missing something?

Not one thing.

[pseudo-random]

I bought an overpriced copy of Vista Ultimate when I ordered a new dell in the interests of keeping an open mind and was hugely disappointed, shocker.
The only thing I liked was the bitlocker full disk encryption but most vista users won't ever see that since they have the 'cheap' versions.
Even with the enormous price tag the bitlocker was only half functional since the TPM crypto module was removed at the bequest of .... making it less secure.
It's running happily with Gutsy and trucrypt now :cool:

[rasmus91]

Thank everyone who took their time reading in this thread. (didn't think it would get so many views when i started it.)

Thank's everyone for voting!

[maybeway36]

Ubuntu is faster, plain and simple.

[z0mbie]

Are you kidding me?

[NightwishFan]

I have noticed the more ram you have the more Linux uses. (I do not mean buffers and cache). For example I have Xubuntu on my pc with 887mb of ram, and it uses around 300mb (64-bit). On my friends pc with around 400mb of ram the same uses about 190mb. (still 64bit).

[Asham]

The answer is not that easy:

Without knowing how you use the computer, which applications (and games?) you use etcetera, how can we suggest you anything? Of course people will throw out "USE LINUX" or "USE WINDOWS" but that's not really helping, is it?

Then again, it may not have been your ultimate goal with the thread to begin with (I didn't read the whole thread).

[Cope57]

Witch os do you prefer Vista or Ubuntu?
I selected Vista...
Not because it is better, but because it is NOT!
If Vista was actually better, we would not have so many Vista users converting to Linux. I am happy that Vista came to be, the pos it is.
Imagine if Vista was better than XP, how many Vista users would have thought of trying Linux?

My two ¢'s worth...
Vista, for the win!!! to Linux... ;)

[freduardo]

I just removed Vista and (temporarily) replaced it with Ubuntu.
In the end Ubuntu will probably have to go too, as I prefer Arch.
But between the two, Ubuntu is definitely the one I'd choose.

I've only used Vista for about three weeks, and from what I've seen, I guess it's slow but not all that bad.
It's just that ANY Linux distro is soooo much better.

[wolfen69]

are you really going to be surprised at the results of this poll? why not go to a windows message board and start a poll. geez, i wonder what people will prefer.

[SidStudios]

ubuntu
speed stability looks price repos customibility. Am i missing something?
Yeah, 'good spelling'. You bring the image of an average Linux user down. I'm sure your post shows that Linux users are educated, and can therefore spell "customizable" correctly. You use Ubuntu, therefore you must be using Firefox. Firefox has a built in spellchecker, use it.


it asks for the password which is much better than having a continue button.

And you think that the UAC in Vista is "time consuming"?


with regard to beryl running with 11% of ram (out of 2gb ram) is the truth why would anyone lie regarding this.

To make Ubuntu look good, you dolt.

Ubuntu for many many reasons too numerous to go into but Vista is at least a step in the right direction by limiting the amount of admin accounts UAC is a blessing for all us users not just Vista users.
Right. Why don't you apply for a job at Microsoft, because your completely reasonable logic astounds me. Also, you might consider adding a few characters called "commas" and "full stops" in your next post, so people don't rate your IQ as something between that of a donkey's and hog ****.

[the8thstar]

I prefer Ubuntu to Vista. I use the former 95% of the time, and the latter 5%.

However, I'm NOT going to part from Vista because:

1. the latest version of Google Earth is *CRAP* in Ubuntu
2. my webcam doesn't work in Hardy (Microsoft Lifecam VX-6000)
3. MS Office 2007 doesn't work
4. Some games can't install with Wine

[NightwishFan]

MS Office? lol

[madsmeg]

1. the latest version of Google Earth is *CRAP* in Ubuntu
No need for Google earth anymore, just go to Google maps, its browser based....

2. my webcam doesn't work in Hardy (Microsoft Lifecam VX-6000)
A valid reason :)

3. MS Office 2007 doesn't work
I prefer OpenOffice, except for presentation; i think Powerpoint is better.

4. Some games can't install with Wine
Another valid reason.

I have moved towards only playing native *nix games and games i already owned i run in wine. I can see valid and very real reasons for running both OS's, i have not voted as i don't see the point. I am happy with Ubuntu, i have tried other flavors and was happy with them, i didn't mind windows (xp), I didn't like vista, I care not what others say, I have used it, it is bloated, and useless, and most of their "new" features are *nix or Mac based.

I have more choice with Linux in general i don't have a windows install at home, and my GF prefers her new Ubuntu install as she finds it easier and more intuitive.

I can however see why people will prefer windows and have no problem with that at all, i am sick off all these "fanboy" fights, its childish on both sides and completely unnecessary.

[the8thstar]

MS Office? lol

You bet. More advanced than OpenOffice IMO.

[NightwishFan]

Sure it is.

[Fenris_rising]

Ubuntuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!
ive changed to ubuntu from XP my fiancee's laptop is vista based and having had to sort out so many things on it i wouldnt touch it if i was paid bill gates salary. currently its gradually becoming more and more unstable and as the product key label is no longer readable we have been told we will have to buy another install disk!!!!!!!!! so when it finally drops dead i'll dual boot it with XP and ubuntu to break her in gently. XP was ok but ubuntu is so much more than M$ could ever dream of creating.

Fenris

[Pinoy915]

Here is one thing that is weird that I would have never thought would happen. I have a very old scanner (Primascan 2400u) and there are no drivers available for it on Vista (my laptop came with it). But, there is a backend for it on Linux. I am able to do basic functions with my scanner now instead of it being a huge paper weight. Vista is long gone but I do have recovery disks just in case.

[SidStudios]

Ubuntuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!

What's wrong with you? It's an Operating System, not a ride at the circus. Calm down.

ive changed to ubuntu from XP my fiancee's laptop is vista based and having had to sort out so many things on it i wouldnt touch it if i was paid bill gates salary. currently its gradually becoming more and more unstable and as the product key label is no longer readable we have been told we will have to buy another install disk!!!!!!!!!

Boo hoo! Who's fault is that? Microsoft's or yours?
Don't blame your ignorance on Microsoft. Oh, and did you know Bill Gates has donated more to charity than any other company or person?
Nope, I bet you didn't.


XP was ok but ubuntu is so much more than M$ could ever dream of creating.

Fenris
You're kidding, right? If Microsoft started from scratch with the Linux kernel, they'd create something much better than Mac OS X and Ubuntu put together. You really don't have any logic, do you? And don't worry, "Fenris", Microsoft is not going to sue you if you use the word "Microsoft" instead of "M$". Just in case you haven't noticed, we CAN see your name above your avatar. You don't need to sign every one of your posts.

On the other hand, the support community of Linux is amazing. Community helps get things sorted easily, and the more people that use Linux, the better. It's just that people tend to blame other companies like Microsoft for the wrong reasons. Something that annoys me in Ubuntu is the "restricted drivers manager". A message pops up saying something along the lines of, "Installing proprietary software is bad because of bad security, it is non-free, etc".
a) If nVidia created drivers for their graphics card, let them keep the source. Stop trying to force them into giving you their source, OSS should be a choice, not a "law".
b) If nVidia hadn't created drivers for Linux, do you actually think that so many people would've switched, using the open-source "nv" driver? I think not.

[Fenris_rising]

oh dear pardon my enthusiasm, i'll have my self removed and shot through the lungs shall i? i do know gates donates heavily and more power to his elbow. but it doesn't mean i have to like his company, the products, or how they bludgeon every threat to death, thats just my preference. i had lots of fun using win 98 yes it had its problems but it taught me a fair bit. from there on things got a lot worse (only my opinion) win 2000 was awful but i had to go to it to get the mp3 usb support, my dad had ME and i was there at least once a week fixing it, and he only used it for ebay, email, and surfing the net. xp i'll admit i liked up until it started wobbling off about all the hardware changes i was making as i upgraded my PC. As for my laptop it was XP did me proud as i travelled here there and everywhere my product key is still intact without special care, my partners is less than a year old and has had a far easier time than mine and the label surface has broken down and come off........i think quality control let that one go. all said lets be thankful for what they did do, which is open GUI computing to the masses. oh and ever so sorry, i guess its my age, but signature at the end of email, snail mail is how i was educated. "M$"? oh whoops i thought this was just shorthand as i've seen elsewhere on here pardon me i will say Microsoft next time, ah yes there it is. Sorry mods if i have overstepped the line kill this post or boot me if required, obviously over- enthusiasm is not for every one even if im still cogent and capable of thoughtful contemplation with regards to my OS experiences and choices.

Regards

Fenris

[Ptero-4]

Although I don't actually use *buntu (I'm on 'driva atm). I can say that I'm choosing *buntu over vista any day. And other thing Sidstudios and iam138. GTFO M$ chills.

[SidStudios]

Although I don't actually use *buntu (I'm on 'driva atm). I can say that I'm choosing *buntu over vista any day. And other thing Sidstudios and iam138. GTFO M$ chills.

That's great, Ptero-4. I use Ubuntu. I don't use Windows Vista, because it's not as customizable as Ubuntu out of the box. Sure, Ubuntu takes more work, but I'm managing, even though my Canon MF8180C printer doesn't work with it.

Maybe, to improve the image of your intelligence you portray through your post, you should provide something called a reason why you'd use Ubuntu instead of Vista.
Also, you should learn English instead of translating your posts from Afrikaans to Korean to English, because you don't make any sense. "And other thing"? Woah, your totally ghetto image scares me; I think, just because of your uber threatening words, I'll delete my account from this forum and never post again. What was "M$ chills" supposed to mean? "Get the _ out, Microsoft chills." You cease to amaze me with your brilliantly constructed sentences. And, if you haven't noticed, this is the "Other OS Talk" forum. On this thread, all I'm doing is going against weak arguments against Microsoft, such as:
"omg!1!11! microsoft is a 9 letter word and ubuntu is only 6 letters! lolz0rs ubuntu rox lol!1!"
That doesn't look like a very strong argument, does it, "Ptero-4"? I'm also quite sure you chose that username because Ptero-3, Ptero-2, and Ptero-1 were taken. Great job. How about this: before telling me to "GTFO" a forum where I can argue for Microsoft even though I use Linux, you should get an education, look around, and then post.

[Yudraciell]

Ubuntu....vista is a bloated fat*beep* that eats all your ram like a whale in a shrimp field....

[Antman]

Since you are posting this on a Ubuntu forum, the results of the poll would be VERY skewed. :lolflag:

[prshah]

Since you are posting this on a Ubuntu forum, the results of the poll would be VERY skewed. :lolflag:

Wonder what would happen if this same thread were to be posted on a windows forum (if such an animal exists!)?

The Windows Fan:
Get lost, linuxfanboy, and stick to your lousy command line, I love vista and XP was the best os ever and now vista will kick a**

The Reasonable Man:
Though Vista seems to have had initial troubles, it was the same with XP when that was launched; now, with three service packs under it's belt and a long and enriched installation base, it is revered. I predict the same will happen with Vista; linux is just too hard IMHO

The Linux'er facing a Ban:
Vista will take yeeeeeaaaaarrrrrssss to reach the level of linuxxxxx... yay linux! it rocks! it shocks! It will knock off your socks! Microsfot is going down... down... down!User not found

All quotes are fictitious, and any resemblance to real-life is purely coincidental and downright freaky.

[hartl_vienna]

Currently Vista: Because of the better synchronisation support with my Treo 680. :cry:

But I hope it will change in the future. [-o<

[Yudraciell]

Currently Vista: Because of the better synchronisation support with my Treo 680. :cry:

But I hope it will change in the future. [-o<

*prays for your soul*

[kindofabuzz]

Ubuntu. Why? Because it's not Microsoft

[SidStudios]

Wonder what would happen if this same thread were to be posted on a windows forum (if such an animal exists!)?

What do you mean by that?
Your statement, "if such an animal exists" displays your ignorance like some sort of trophy.
Don't tell me you've never seen a Windows discussion forum before.

Google "Windows XP forums", and you'd get ~3,620,000 results. Google "Linux Forums" and you'd get ~2,860,000 results. Quite a large difference there, right?
Plus, that wasn't even a fair test. A lot of guides for Fedora will NOT work for Ubuntu, therefore rendering, let's say, half of the forums useless. On the other hand, Windows XP is a specific distribution which had more results than "Linux" put together.

Oh, and 'Windows Vista forums' returns "4,280,000" results.

[NightwishFan]

Troll, ahem I mean Sid. Sure and "google" Google and get a Googol results. Thats absurd. We all know Windows forums exist. We all know Linux forums exist. All I know is there is no help like these forums, reputable even among other communities.

[SidStudios]

Troll, ahem I mean Sid. Sure and "google" Google and get a Googol results. Thats absurd. We all know Windows forums exist. We all know Linux forums exist. All I know is there is no help like these forums, reputable even among other communities.

Right, I see where you're coming from. I support Windows, therefore I must be a troll. Great logic, right? I don't use Windows, I use Ubuntu, but if I do not support stupid attacks at Microsoft, I must be a troll. These support forums are, without question, the best support forums for a single operating system. I'm just sick of the general [linux] user crowd's ignorance and weak arguments. It's called debate ;)

[NightwishFan]

I was just kidding with you. ;]
You are right there are windows forums. Personally I like Vista *gasp* but its shortcomings annoy me. I only use open source apps anyway so using a proprietary OS makes no sense.

[prshah]

Your statement, "if such an animal exists" displays your ignorance like some sort of trophy.
Don't tell me you've never seen a Windows discussion forum before.


Yes, you're right, my ignorance about Windows Forums is MONUMENTAL... and I'd like to think in this case that it _is_ a trophy.

Besides which, you really need to lighten up. The entire post was in a light-hearted joking vein, and to have it taken so seriously by someone only attracts more attention to it.

If I acknowledge you as a Windows Champion who readily springs to the cause of supporting, clarifying and/or generally ensuring that Windows is fairly represented, will you get off my case?

All Hail the Windows Champion, Sid, etc.

[SidStudios]

I was just kidding with you. ;]
You are right there are windows forums. Personally I like Vista *gasp* but its shortcomings annoy me. I only use open source apps anyway so using a proprietary OS makes no sense.
Haha, the thing is, I've been called a troll on IRC so much that I can't identify jokes, sorry :p
Hmm, do you have any reason for using OSS only? I've always wondered what was so bad about proprietary software. The nVidia "proprietary" driver works great, and if they don't want to release the source code, let them keep it; nVidia shouldn't be "forced" into releasing it to the public. But yeah, I agree that it has the potential of being greatly improved once it becomes open-source.

Yes, you're right, my ignorance about Windows Forums is MONUMENTAL... and I'd like to think in this case that it _is_ a trophy.

Besides which, you really need to lighten up. The entire post was in a light-hearted joking vein, and to have it taken so seriously by someone only attracts more attention to it.

If I acknowledge you as a Windows Champion who readily springs to the cause of supporting, clarifying and/or generally ensuring that Windows is fairly represented, will you get off my case?

All Hail the Windows Champion, Sid, etc.
I don't like Windows, I just think bad arguments look crap, and give people the wrong image of the subject that is being talked about. It just annoys me to see that people complain about BSODs on Windows Vista on their Pentium IIIs.

[ivze]

By the way, I have heard somewhere that Vista is reported to be sending some user data to it's control center to check, this way spying user information. Is this a myth or true?
Anyhow, I choose Ubuntu for knowing what is inside.

[Raccoon1400]

I've used vista on my dads laptop, it seemed oversimplified to the point of being obtuse. For example. I was logging onto the internet, using dialup. I thought "I wonder if...", and unplugged the modem. I hit the dial button, Vista tried to log on. It didn't get anywhere, and gave me an error to the effect that there was something wrong with the network, nothing telling me about the lack of a dial tone. It had a little button there, "diagnose this problem", or something to that effect. I clicked it, and it sat there and thank for a bit. It couldn't figure it out. It came back and told me that it could not fix the problem. Every OS i've ever used, except vista, tells me if the cord is unplugged. Had the cord been behind my computer on the floor and gotten unplugged somehow, I would have been a very confused individual. Its little things like that that make me thing its oversimplified entirely too much.

I can get vista for free from school, and I have zero desire to take them up on the offer.

On the other hand, I'm not a huge fan of ubuntu for various reasons either. Actually pretty much the only thing keeping me here is the nice out of the box acpi support on my laptop. If it weren't for that I'd probably go for Sidux or debian or something.

Doesn't say much about windows, that an OS that used 10GB of hard disk space gets called oversimplified.

Fustrated Windows users have two options.
1. Resort to the throwing of computers out of windows.
2. Resort to the throwing of windows out of computers.

[id1337x]

I support Ubuntu over any version of Windows.

What I find is that people that end up switching to Linux generally find themselves using a lot of free software so when they end up switching it seems natural for them. This is what happened to me. When I was on Windows I was using the GIMP because it is the only free thing that you can get I mean photoshop costs money. I also used Open Office because everything else costs money. Internet Explorer has so many problems so I stopped using it early on.

I was actually a Visual Basic developer before switching to Linux. What a radical change right? Well I never liked Visual Basic the only reason I could even type it was the IDE and I found myself liking Python/Perl way more cause I can actually make good programs.

[gizmoarena]

What? :o Do you pull the power cord? I have never heard of any system shutting down that fast, ever. It just doesn't sound possible, unless you somehow modified the kernel or motherboard firmware to immediately kill power.

My OS X shuts down in less than 6 seconds. To be exact - 4 seconds. And it is even not a Mac.

I love ubuntu so being biased - Ubuntu is way better than Vista.

1. Ubuntu doesn't take 900MB RAM for its own sake.
2. Vista can't survive for a day without an anti-virus.
3. Ubuntu is free.
4. Vista doesn't support my bluetooth device!
5. Vista doesn't have a terminal (and GCC)!!!

On the other hand, I have to use Vista on my laptop ...
1. Wifi doesn't work on Ubuntu
2. Takes too much time to wake up from Supend/Hibernate
3. Hard drive Load Cycle Count problem, which doesn't get solved by the patches + temperature
4. The quality of video and audio is not satisfactory in Ubuntu.
5. Battery life is better in Vista, believe it or not!

[rasmus91]

Hi again. I've just got a new laptop for working on (educating). Its a dell E6400. we got it with windows Vista on it, and in the beginning i really knew vista sucked, but i thought to my self: "why the heck don't try it out"... well, it didn't take more than a few hours for me to decide. yester day, i got ubuntu on this computer. and today i'm gonna try making the wireless internet working on this, (gonna be exiting :D) anyway; we didn't even get this computer with 64 bit vista but 32.... ](*,)
The specs for my comp is:
Processor: intel centrino 2 2.26 and 2.27 Ghz
Ram: ddr2 667 mhz 4gb
grafik: nVidia 9500 m running some sort of intel chip as slave.... or whatever, 128 mb, up to 1.4 GB from Ram
HD: 148 GB...
Wifi card: 5100 AGN (intel)
(not much i know)

all in all a good computer... (or i think so at least...)

[nickgaydos]

Ubuntu $0.00 ShipIt.
Windows Vista $150.00-$300.00
Ubuntu is fast, stable, customizable, DVD playback for free, thousands of free applications and more!!!

Windows Vista is, slow, ripoff, cost a lot for simple features, Dreamsceane? Who needs that? Memory Hog, Dreamscene takes up WAY to much space.
or if you find a """""lite""""" copy, than its free....but same other crap in there.

[Georgia boy]

Haven't tried Vista. From what I heard from others is that even most business and governments have been sticking with XP. I have XP but installed Ubuntu as a dual boot. Haven't been in my Windows but once since I installed Ubuntu over a month ago. Trying to completely ween myself off of the Windows system. Of course I'll have to find something that will help when doing some work that requires Internet Explorer though. Other than that I can't see any reason to go back to Windows at this time. Surely not going to spend the money on buying Vista or another computer due to maybe this one not wanting to accept Vista.
So I'm voting for Ubuntut.
Tom

[rune0077]

Windows Vista is slow

That's just people's computers that are slow. Vista is the fastest OS I've ever tried. After a little tweaking, it booted nearly twice as fast as Ubuntu. I still removed Vista for other reasons, but Ubuntu is slow compared to it, as long as you have a computer that can handle it.


Dreamsceane? Who needs that?

I'm guessing people who want animated wallpapers needs it.

[cmat]

The problem I've been having lately with most notably HP was the lack of support for Linux. Vista is a pretty decent platform and you can run many GNU apps that are available on Ubuntu. Once you get rid of that Aero garbage and all the free trials of apps it's a pretty decent platform to use until drivers appear for linux.

[billgoldberg]

That's just people's computers that are slow. Vista is the fastest OS I've ever tried. After a little tweaking, it booted nearly twice as fast as Ubuntu. I still removed Vista for other reasons, but Ubuntu is slow compared to it, as long as you have a computer that can handle it.



I'm guessing people who want animated wallpapers needs it.

Indeed. Vista is a fast OS on decent hardware.

My friend got a new laptop and I visited him yesterday.

Vista was flying on it even though he had lots and lots of things running at the same time.

Dreamscape is nice. It would be great if something like it got introduced into Compiz Fusion.

Does anyone know if there are plans for such a plugin?

--

Sure Vista uses more ram than xp, mostly because of prefetching.

I don't get why people are complaining. They have 4gb of ram and complain if 1gb is used.

Why do you have 4gb if only 1gb can be used?

[gjoellee]

1. http://kshoster.net/index.php?c=tipsandtricks&x=22thingsyouonlycandoinlinux
2. Lets take a look at two computers...

Computer 1
HDD: 500gb
RAM: 3gb
Intel Pention Dual Core processor
Card: Nvidia 8800 Ge Force
System: Windows Vista

Computer 2
HDD: 120gb
RAM: 512mb
AMD Athelon
Card: Nvidia 5200 Ge Force
System: Ubuntu

they both have one thing in common! Performance:)

[rune0077]

Dreamscape is nice. It would be great if something like it got introduced into Compiz Fusion.

Does anyone know if there are plans for such a plugin?


I saw it being discussed on the Compiz forums, but I'm not sure if there's any actual plans to include it. You can do it with xwinwrap though, but that's hardly a perfect or simple solution.

[tarps87]

I prefer Ubuntu, this is because from my own experience of using Ubuntu, XP and Vista, I find Ubuntu easier to use and more stable.
I have installed Ubuntu on Six computers recently and only one had a problem with the graphics card in one, the rest worked out of the box.
I think Ubuntu is the better OS for me, but one OS is not for everyone and it would be nice is Microsoft acknowledged this and made Windows more OS friendly.
From my own experience of Microsoft's help is poor, it was the free email service I used, the replies got slower and slower until they just stop.
I don't agree with people who say Linux is not user-friendly, yes some are but I don't believe distros like Ubuntu are not user-friendly. Yes it is different to windows, but what is you used Linux first.
This would be a interesting poll to post in a neutral forum.

[SunnyRabbiera]

Ubuntu by far, Vista has to be among the worst I have seen from microsoft.
XP is what started my interest in Linux, but Vista is what solidified my position.

[antiloop]

Vista with SP1 is growing on me. I would say Windows is still the better choice compared to Ubuntu for the compability.

Especially if you want to game.

But Ubuntu is nice too. :)

[SunnyRabbiera]

Vista with SP1 is growing on me. I would say Windows is still the better choice compared to Ubuntu for the compability.

Especially if you want to game.

But Ubuntu is nice too. :)

But in truth the compatibility in Vista is no better, its just that MS has all these hardware companies in their pockets.

[antiloop]

But in truth the compatibility in Vista is no better, its just that MS has all these hardware companies in their pockets.

True... but it doesn't change the fact. ;(

Anyway with Linux gaining popularity that will change over time. It has to.

[SuperSonic4]

Neither, I prefer Mandriva. KDE ftw

[rasmus91]

Yeah, but all in all, mandriva is still linux...

Actually i was planning to change windows to mandriva in the beginning, but i couldn't use the cd, and i found ubuntu when i searched for an solution :D

[lisati]

I voted for "Ubuntu" 'coz I have a copy, and haven't downgraded to Vista (yet?)

[BrokenKingpin]

I voted for Ubuntu. Linux always wins in my books because it can do everything that Windows can do, but for free. I still use Vista as there are many development tools I like that are only for Windows, as well as games. I don't mind using Vista, I just dont have the freedom I do with Ubuntu. I also like that I can install Ubuntu on older hardware.

[Sorivenul]

I tried Vista on my wife's machine, which came with it preinstalled of course. I was surprised the machine even ran it, but she's still using it. I love my Xubuntu install.

[karellen]

why not both? :D

[Dirty Ole]

Ubuntu because I like Ubuntu better and my computer can't run Vista. Also I was tired of the spy wares, virus scanning sessions and non-free software.

[mailtwogopal]

I prefer ubuntu than vista. I am basically a test engineer by profession. Even when compared to Windows XP, Vista is not stable as XP. But no other go for me am running Vista in my office due to company norms. I was using XP till 2 months back and am fed up with vista premium in office. I am having ubuntu hardy in home and i always enjoy working in it.

My ultimate point here is Vista cannot exceeds its predecessor XP (within windows family) then there is no point in trying to match it with Ubuntu as far stability of OS is considered. This is my opinion and am speaking from my experience.

[TheSlipstream]

I love customization, I love freedom and I love security. I take pride in knowing that my Ubuntu install is unique, and the software I use anyone can use. I also adore the lightness of a nice, minimal Openbox install. Just beautiful.

If I used Windows I wouldn't be part of a great community, and I'd only be in it for the software. Nowadays, using my computer is an experience, not a struggle. It's great.

[silvestros]

Of course Ubuntu. I have not used vista, but I've heard many bad thing about it.

[tidge87]

I have Ubuntu 8.04 and Windows Vista Ultimate dual booted. I use Ubuntu 99% of the time. Vista is just plain garbage. I only use it because I backup my Xbox 360 games and this can't be done on Ubuntu :(

Ubuntu is definitely the best OS currently available.

[L815]

On this laptop, during this time, I would say Vista and/or Suse.
They work best on my hardware. Kde is starting to become my de of choice, and Kubuntu, well... just isn't as polished as Suse.

Ubuntu is great, it's just that lately it has been running worse and worse on my laptop, but Intrepid isn't final, and I won't make a final judgement until then :)... (with the exception of compiz now working better with video)

[mexus]

Both :)

On my laptop i have vista and kubuntu.
On my desktop kubuntu.
On my server CentOS.

Linux is much more stable than windows... i really like it, even it's a pain in the ***. GIMP suxxxxxx (Photoshop rulez), there is no good DJ-ing software for linux (VirtualDJ and Tracktor sux under wine).

Microsoft Office is years ahead of Openoffice.

[Canis familiaris]

why not both? :D

because I can't afford Vista and do not wish to pirate it.
Unless you want to gift wrap genuine license of Windows Vista Ultimate x64 to me.

[davbren]

I use Ubuntu, I recently bought a new laptop that cam preinstalled with Vista. I had crash after crash. I hated that I couldn't customise, or that I had to hack the pc to ad m own personality to it.

Ubuntu is easier to use, more secure, less bloat, and customisable. No contest really.

[L815]

I use Ubuntu, I recently bought a new laptop that cam preinstalled with Vista. I had crash after crash. I hated that I couldn't customise, or that I had to hack the pc to ad m own personality to it.

Ubuntu is easier to use, more secure, less bloat, and customisable. No contest really.

Can you explain these crashes?
Nothing personal, I just don't agree with the majority of blunt statements which have "OEM", "Vista Pre-installed", "tons of crashes" statements that are thrown around.

[chungy]

I stopped using Windows 95 in 1998, haven't used Windows as a main OS since then. :-)

Being in support though, I've had ample time to get used to versions more recent than that, no version after Windows 95 as ever impressed me, it's only gotten worse and worse... I've had some time with Vista, and I was nearly unprepared for the amount of *** it is. I know they love the game of changing where all the settings are every version, but for Vista they just went all-out and did the most illogical things I've ever seen (new Display Properties dialog? oh wait, they just pointlessly split every tab separately and you click hyperlinks to open them). How they managed to make an OS that can't even fit in 1GB of RAM is completely mind-boggling (my first computer had 64 kilobytes of RAM). The only non-eye candy useful feature I've seen in Vista so far is support for symlinks in Win32 (needed to use OpenNT/Interix/Services for UNIX in previous versions). Not to mention I think it's the most unstable version of NT I've ever seen; I'm not talking about a particular system, every Vista install I've ever seen has to be rebooted every two days at least, or else you can expect bluescreens.

[davbren]

Can you explain these crashes?
Nothing personal, I just don't agree with the majority of blunt statements which have "OEM", "Vista Pre-installed", "tons of crashes" statements that are thrown around.

Well explain them is different to just knowing whats crashed lol. To be honest most of the problems were with the bloat-ware applications. Unfortunately this included the driver that was controlling my touchpad. every now and then it would just cut out claiming the software had crashed so I lost the functionality of the the touchpad. Explorer itself would crash repeatedly on the occasions that I would change the volume via hotkeys or via the taskbar. It was very frustrating and unnecessary. It got the point where I would rather use alpha software rather than Vista it was *that* bad. Everything worked perfectly in Aplha 6. I didn't know what else I should be doing...

I was also annoyed that I would have to hack a system file just to change the theme to something a little nicer. A screen in vista is called "personalisation" it just isn't its several versions of their personality. So of course i tried to hack it and didn't realise I had SP1 so my vista theme was broken for about a week while a experimented with ways to fix it. I know it sounds like I'm tampering with the OS. But in reality I shouldn't have to, just to get a nice theme...

No offense was taken. :guitar::guitar:

[mikjp]

openSUSE for my main desktop, Xubuntu for my low specs desktop, Debian for my iBook...

My laptop still has XP on one partition for chess and online poker :-)

[lykwydchykyn]

I've tested Vista some at my office but it holds no interest for me. Anything it adds (or claims to add) to the WinXP experience is usually something I get much more of from Ubuntu or some other distro. Plus, Ubuntu outperformed it by a wide margin. We have a bunch of old Dell Optiplex GX260 machines here on which I can run Xubuntu with compiz just fine. To run Vista I had to disable just about everything until it looked like XP, and even then it was sluggish (not as bad as I thought it'd be, but still sluggish).

[oberonking]

Vista??? that's not a Virus???
Compares an SO with a virus it's a mistake
Heresy!!!!!

[Grams79]

I voted Ubuntu.
Why?
There is nothing anyone could ever say that would prove Windows to be superior to Linux, especially the Ubuntu distribution.

[Helios1276]

Just recently spent my first sizeable amount of time with Vista( new notebook) and I can honestly say it is horrible. The freezing , crashing and confused security setup gets amplified when you throw a Blueray optical drive into the mix.

P.s. I miss HD DVD....

[rasmus91]

That's just people's computers that are slow. Vista is the fastest OS I've ever tried. After a little tweaking, it booted nearly twice as fast as Ubuntu. I still removed Vista for other reasons, but Ubuntu is slow compared to it, as long as you have a computer that can handle it.


Oh yeah, you're just so right... if we look away from all the unnecessary processes it runs just about all the time...

I have Vista on this computer as well as ubuntu... got an Intel centrino 2 processor (2.26 and 2.27 cores) and 4GB of ram, if that ain't enough to run an operating system overwhelming well (as it is now), somethings really really wrong.

You'd properly say, that it's just a special case for my computer, but no. around 10 other guys from my class has the exactly same computer, and running Vista, nothing runs as fast as it should.

Vista is properly the OS i know with the most ridiculous use of CPU and Ram, and with the baddest performance.

No offense, I've heard a lot of guys make the exactly same statement, But dude really, no one is as angry at their computers as they are!

[cmat]

Vista's compatibility with some applications is utterly broken. So I needed XP to run them. If I was stuck in Vista or Ubuntu situation then I would certainly go Ubuntu.

[NoSmokingBandit]

I chose vista. I run vista x64 with 0 issues on my hardware. Its mainly for game use though. I mainly use osx86 which leaves me without a need for ubuntu (or any distro for that matter) and reboot to vista when i want to play a game.

[waspbr]

I got vista on my laptop, (it came with it), but I have also installed ubuntu 64 on it while vista is 32-bit. Ubuntu allows me to use a full blow and a efficient 64 bit operating system, and for the work that I do it is ideal.

Besides that I don't have to bother buying an anti-virus or worrying about security. Ubuntu FTW!!!

[rasmus91]

I chose vista. I run vista x64 with 0 issues on my hardware. Its mainly for game use though. I mainly use osx86 which leaves me without a need for ubuntu (or any distro for that matter) and reboot to vista when i want to play a game.

hmm.... only heard to other guys saying they didn't have any problems on Vista, guess thats how it might work.... until you get some serious Vira

[spda016]

#-o
:eek:

i like the graphics and appearance of the ubuntu...
i feel it supereior to vista
but...
i need more and more applications.so for that i insist on windows xp sp2.
wow! what a compatibility the xp has.

even then i like ubuntu personally.
this free open source os on a cd contains veery much than the profit aimed windows vista.what i noticed is the vast hardware support in ubnuntu which the hug and the costly vista has.every hardware i connects seems to be plug n play in ubuntu.

on the other side i can't stay apart from photoshop,flash and 3dsmax.so does xp sp2


#-o
:eek:

[Hyper Tails]

Ubuntu is better

I don't hate xp,xp is an great os but not vista.

I had bad experiences with vista like on my laptop I had to wait 5 minutes just for it to get me logged in completely ( It's extremely fast. NOT!)

And on my laptop again I had an installation disk and It says it's a blank disk. it is not an blank disk its has data because i checked on my dad's pc.

so i tried wubi and guess what every thing was working like it should (expect my wireless card because i had to get a driver for it to get it working like oit should)

on my desktop in hand I wanted to burn an blank disk but it felt more like it was more like trying to feed a picky eater

Today I just have ubuntu now on both desktop and laptop

enpught said
so ubuntu wins.

[Dark Ocean]

I choose Ubuntu above Vista anytime. All the things I need to do on my pc are well done with Ubuntu.

Had Vista installed on a Sony laptop once, oh my, never again! Much too bloated, downgraded it to XP.

[scliburn]

Been using Vista for well over a year now. I have had no problems with drivers, software or any issues. I'm not an average pc user though.

I had dual-boot'd my laptop dell inspiron 1720 with Ubuntu. No problems. Last week, after about 17 years of development on windows, I've moved to a dedicated ubuntu laptop.

I had to install twice, after many issues with themes and gdm. Now, I'm 100% ubuntu and very happy. I also have been running an ubuntu server for about 2 years.

Anything I can't find on ubuntu (software) I open virtualbox, and open my xp install.

I still run microsoft.... it's just called xbox360. ;)

[rasmus91]

Had Vista installed on a Sony laptop once, oh my, never again! Much too bloated, downgraded it to XP.

Hmm... sure you didn't upgrade to xp ;)

I still run microsoft.... it's just called xbox360.

hehe... i don't even like x-box... PS3 FTW! :P

:)

[kellemes]

So close to 10% of Ubuntu forum members actually prefer Vista over Ubuntu?

[fiddledd]

So close to 10% of Ubuntu forum members actually prefer Vista over Ubuntu?

No, 10% have admitted they prefer Vista, there's a difference.:)

[SuperSonic4]

I prefer ubuntu but hey, why not have both :D

[crazyfuturamanoob]

Ubuntu absolutely! No need to say any reasons, previous posters have posted more than enough of them.

[sheto]

Ubuntu for sure. To use Vista you need to buy a new computer.

[Mason Whitaker]

It depends on the situation really. Heavy Duty Graphic Work on Vista, and everything else on Ubuntu and OSX.

( I only play one online game, and that is Nexuiz XD )

[Mason Whitaker]

Sorry, System Lagged and had two posts for some reason O_o

[bhuvi]

there are a millions of reasons to prefer ubuntu or other distributions to vista overall vista s***s

[Waugh]

I'd like to use Ubuntu as my primary/only operating system, but as of right now, I am having too many issues and do not have the knowledge to revise them. I've always heard terrible things about Vista, but I honestly haven't had any problems using it.

Until I am knowledgeable enough, or Ubuntu becomes user friendly enough, I will reluctantly have to prefer Vista.

[Izek]

My printer works with Vista, it doesn't work with Ubuntu. :P

If my x4550 Printer worked with Ubuntu WITHOUT USING VMWARE OR QEMU OR WINE, I'd be using it mainly.

[lukjad007]

No, 10% have admitted they prefer Vista, there's a difference.:)
No. 10% of people who answer polls and who read this thread admitted to liking Vista over Ubuntu. There is a bigger difference. :D

[Flynn555]

Hi, i just wanted to know how many who, prefer either Ubuntu or Vista, and why...

My own opinion is: Ubuntu, Vista is to unstable, insecure and it can be much harder to make anything that was actually made for windows work in Vista, wireless connection; forget it, drag your internet cable around anywhere. also: it requires for to much of the system compared to how effective it actually is!



(Just one thing... i haven't tried to make a poll before so if this fails, don't be angry! :) )


dude look where you are posting the question. of course more people are going to choose ubuntu.
:lolflag:

for me i use both. i just got a notebook and it came with vista on it. i wanted to put ubuntu on it once i started using vista but alot of my school projects require visual studio. ( i guess i could use a virtual box) but meh..vista inst so bad. i would rather have xp thou. ;) and with all my school work i havent had time to really set up something like a duel boot.(i cant risk having one of my computers out of commission during the school year)

later on down the road(after college/or when i get a new notebook) i think im going to either do a full ubuntu install on my laptop...or do a xp/ubuntu duel boot.

[Northsider]

I would prefer Ubuntu, but I use Vista mostly.

[kamitsukai]

LOL well the poll is going to be very biased as this is called the "Ubuntu Forums" for a reason...:lolflag:

[perlluver]

Give me Ubuntu any day, it has pretty much the same features of Vista, and not only is it free, but it runs on my 4 year old computer. Vista, wouldn't even try, I don't think my memory is high enough.

[bubba_169]

Ubuntu vs XP might have been a more difficult decision but at this present time, I wouldnt touch Vista. It just feels too clumsy and bloated

[Flametux]

Ubuntu. Without a doubt. Ubuntu is sooooo much less confusing than vista. also, Ubuntu doesn't freeze every 5 seconds!! And best of all Ubuntu's free for everyone!!!

[linuxlab]

I had (HAD) a cracked version of Vista Ultimate and dual booted it with Ubuntu & OpenSuSE. After about a month or so of hopping back and forward I eventually installed a single Ubuntu and installed vista Ultimate inside of that with VirtualBox, and now I have deleted my hacked version of vista and now have my top three linuxOS's installed in which I think Ubuntu will always hold a top seat.
It feels extremely freeing to have a home and work network's with 3x Linux PC's, a Laptop and be totally legal.
I need windoze for nothing, and my network has all three of the most painful wireless cards and I dont have a problem (curiously I did have a problem with a friends (WinXP/vista laptop) that complain there wasnt enough characters in the WEP/WPA pass, so it would not/could not log in unless I changed the password from the wireless AP? No linux box has yet even moaned about the pass. And no, it isnt because Vista is more secure!

[Skorzen]

I don't think twice: Ubuntu.

Even on my work they're trying to, in a way or another, reject Vista. XP still rocks there.

[kamitsukai]

I had (HAD) a cracked version of Vista Ultimate and dual booted it with Ubuntu & OpenSuSE. After about a month or so of hopping back and forward I eventually installed a single Ubuntu and installed vista Ultimate inside of that with VirtualBox, and now I have deleted my hacked version of vista and now have my top three linuxOS's installed in which I think Ubuntu will always hold a top seat.
It feels extremely freeing to have a home and work network's with 3x Linux PC's, a Laptop and be totally legal.
I need windoze for nothing, and my network has all three of the most painful wireless cards and I dont have a problem (curiously I did have a problem with a friends (WinXP/vista laptop) that complain there wasnt enough characters in the WEP/WPA pass, so it would not/could not log in unless I changed the password from the wireless AP? No linux box has yet even moaned about the pass. And no, it isnt because Vista is more secure!

It really is a sad day for windows when I can install a cracked version of vista quicker and with better driver support than I can with my mums legitimately purchased one for her laptop...(and then get told that it wasn't legit which it was](*,))

[rasmus91]

LOL well the poll is going to be very biased as this is called the "Ubuntu Forums" for a reason...

yeah, thought about that when i opened this thread.

But anyway, i know of people who only use Linux for experiment. this is a way to find out how many on this forum who really thinks Ubuntu is better than Vista.

[eternalnewbee]

Ubuntu vs XP might have been a more difficult decision but at this present time, I wouldnt touch Vista. It just feels too clumsy and bloated
I agree the comparison Ubuntu vs XP, because I used XP for years, and never (as far as I can remember) had any major unsolvable issues). As for Vista feeling too clumsy and bloated, I wouldn't know, because I never even tried it! And this is out of principle. I mean, being commercial is one thing, but developing vista with the NSA did it for me.
Even before vista hit the markets I read about it and was just appalled. That's when I forced myself to try and learn how to use something else besides ms. It must have been my karma (actually my little brother) who urged me to try Ubuntu. I cannot begin to tell you how happy I am now with what I've got.
Plato's man in the cave comes to mind when I try to tell people about Ubuntu. Not because I really dislike ms (time has healed that wound) but because Ubuntu (sorry for being subjective [they say you can't be objective unless you've been subjective]) is just superior. Just total freedom:
Free [as in: you don't HAVE to pay a Dime].
Options (yes I love the fact that I can just log out, and then login, using a totally different WM). I still smile when I think back to the [last] days when my graphic card was failing greatly under xp (like when I was in the middle of something using, ms office) and PATS blue screen! Experienced freezes with that card with Ubuntu as well, (wasn't a member of the Forums in those days) but only when Ubuntu started up. Once running, no troubles. Oh yeah, forget about watching movies on windoze with that graphic card (blue screen immediately), but under Ubuntu no problem. In short: Ubuntu took, and takes better care of my hardware.
Sorry for this metaphor; Ubuntu's more sophisticated to get the best out of my hardware than ms did. Let's not forget support: I was converted (I hate that word [thank my karma I'm not religious]) before I became a member here, but it's really been amazing around here: This "place" is alive & kicking (eternalnewbee & Simplemind)
I don't want to drag on (wonder if anyone will still be awake after reading the first quarter-and-a-half), so I hope this answers: Why Ubuntu, and not ms (Sorry for changing the title:-({|=)
EDIT: This forum is biased=D>

[BenAshton24]

Ubuntu not just because it's amazing in every way shape and form but also because everything that microsoft has ever made has been one epic fail after another :P

--Ben

[eternalnewbee]

Ubuntu not just because it's amazing in every way shape and form but also because everything that microsoft has ever made has been one epic fail after another :P

--Ben
Biased me wants (sorry for talking in the Dobby person) to say what an excellent comment you made in a Thread, that's now being reviewed.

[Tindytim]

I find it rather......ignorant that most people point out problems from pre SP1 Vista, and then exagerate those problems.

I still prefer Ubuntu (mostly because it's free), but my use of Vista with SP1 was a plesent one.

[factotum218]

I used Vista for about two weeks after SP1 was released so I guess I missed the Linux selling point time period.
Overall yes, it uses more resources just like every other Microsoft OS upgrade I've done in the past. It's gotten a face lift, just like the others I've used in the past. It runs applications that I need at work just like the others I've used in the past.

In a nutshell, I've found nothing new. Maybe some cosmetic rearranging and default annoyances that I needed to tweak down (UAC anyone?) Otherwise it's doing the same old same old but crashing a lot less (in two weeks time this means nothing). It's nothing special and certainly not a must have for anyone, just like any other operating system. I choose neither.

[factotum218]

No, 10% have admitted they prefer Vista, there's a difference.:)

priceless!

[Old Marcus]

I've tried Vista installations on other people's laptops and I have to say, when everything works and the system can handle it, Vista runs pretty smooth. I didn't delve too deep however, since it's not generally a good idea to go messing around with your friend's work comp.

I still wouldn't touch it myself, partly because the first time I tried it I was trying to speed it up and the defrag tool has been nerfed to the point of unusability, amongst other things, but when all drivers are there and speed is ok, it's not as bad as people make out. It's installing it and setting it up I worry about.

As for me, a dual-boot of Mint and XP works fine for me ta. ;)

[TwilightDawn]

I use Ubuntu, Vista SP1 and XP Pro SP3 and I like them all.

I do find myself using Vista quite a bit these days because my work laptop came with it. It's not too shabby. Pretty stable, and decently responsive as long as you've got the hardware muscle to run it.

As for the nerfed defragger, I am not affected by it. I use Diskeeper 2008 on both Windows machines and it's as good as not having to defrag at all. Diskeeper does automatic defragmentation in the background, silently, when it's required, without interfering with other applications.

Among the windows cousins, if I were to choose between Vista and XP though, I'd choose XP at the moment. It does more with the same bit of hardware.

[wispygalaxy]

I prefer Ubuntu to Vista because it has prettier themes. Vista looks too boring for me. :P

[L815]

As of now I say Vista only because of my hardware.
Vista runs everything very smoothly and fast on this laptop, especially video.
On any linux distro, video tears, and when moving windows, they almost break in half until they are re-rendered.
That could be due to my intel gm965 card :/

Battery life is longer with Vista.

That's about it. Once I build a new desktop, it will go over to Linux 100%. Not that I'm fed up with Msoft, because they make some great software, but because I love the Linux environment more, and the fact that it has nothing to hide.

[rasmus91]

Battery life is longer with Vista.


Yes most certainly, but only in power saving mode. And then it'll even lagg videos, and freeze M$ office 2007 all the time.

And thats even though I've got a very fast laptop

[lakersforce]

The Ubuntu derivative gNewSense, because: free as in freedom (and as in beer too).

Vista: never tried it. Is it any good? (I would never use it, though I have a license (that's hard to avoid!))

[Liviu-Theodor]

The Ubuntu derivative gNewSense, because: free as in freedom (and as in beer too).

Vista: never tried it. Is it any good? (I would never use it, though I have a license (that's hard to avoid!))

In fact, yes, Vista is good in converting people to Linux.

Why I like ubuntu? Overall feeling, the way it handles hardware, how easy it is to solve its problems (it has), how easy is to install programs and updates and upgrade to a new version, and I can continue with more things...

I described in many posts why I dislike Vista, so I will just link later to them, as I do not want anymore to write about it.