Kde

[Hmarroqu]

SO i just got my Kubuntu CD in the mail and am wondering, what cant I do with KDE that I did with Gnome....Such as Desktop effects? I notice right off hand that I cannot switch in between desktops with ctrl+alt+ arrow, or even drag the app to new desktop...How about WINE? Has anyone had trouble with Kubuntu after using Ubuntu? What are the reasons you use KDE instead of Gnome?

Thanks in advance...I have lots of questions , this is just a start ...

Im really interested in using KDE and want as much info on it before I install it ... or not

[amingv]

In my case I don't "like" KDE over Gnome, I think they're both very good. From KDE I like the default toolset and apps better. In my experience, there's nothing you can do in Gnome that you can't do in KDE (some things may need a little modification, but that's it) and vice-versa. Now to your questions:

-Yes, you can use desktop effects in KDE (I suppose you're talking about compiz-fusion here)
-For the workspaces, you can change them by pressing Ctrl+Fn, where n is the number of the desktop you want to use.
-I don't think a shortcut comes by default to move windows through the workspaces. But you can set one (I use Win key+Fn) you can also right click the title bar and use the menu "To Desktop"
-Wine keeps being as easy as sudo apt-get install wine.

Now, one must be fair and say that what is good is good. There are some things I like from Gnome, that I use on KDE:

-Synaptic package manager: When you open up Adept, you will give me the reason...
-Double-Click: In KDE, things open up with a single click by default. I do not like this behaviour, so I set it to use double clicks always.
-Look and Feel: The Gnome look and feel is a bit more comfortable, I modified mine (by hand) to be more Gnome-like, without being completely Gnome.
-Firefox: (Or Opera for that matter) I just don't like using the same I use to browse files to browse the web. Reminds me of IE.

[Hmarroqu]

Well I gave it a spin and I think it will do good if I can change its entire look like Lifehacker suggests (http://lifehacker.com/346312/design-your-own-desktop-with-kde-4)

I really dont like the look and feel of KDE apps so i will most likely be using all the regular ubuntu apps.. do you think that defeats the purpose?

[Sinkingships7]

i do, i think that if you prefer gnome apps, then you should stick with ubuntu, since you can modify the way it looks to make it look more like kde if you want. running apps that are native to their desktop environment is always a good idea.

[jcanini]

Personally I am more comfortable with KDE because thats what I used when I first used Linux and have customised it to my preferences. I still find the menu layout in Gnome to be better organised though.
Sinkingships7 is absolutely right when he says use the desktop with the apps you prefer as they will run faster and with less problems (having the right libraries e.t.c.).

[Hmarroqu]

I C , well thanks for the input, I now have an extra Kubuntu CD but ill be sure to pass it on to family or friends and spread the joy...

[FrozenFox]

SO i just got my Kubuntu CD in the mail and am wondering, what cant I do with KDE that I did with Gnome....Such as Desktop effects? I notice right off hand that I cannot switch in between desktops with ctrl+alt+ arrow, or even drag the app to new desktop...How about WINE? Has anyone had trouble with Kubuntu after using Ubuntu? What are the reasons you use KDE instead of Gnome?

Thanks in advance...I have lots of questions , this is just a start ...

Im really interested in using KDE and want as much info on it before I install it ... or not

99.9999% of programs that run in gnome will also run in kde and vice versa as long as you have the libraries to run them installed, it will just take up a little bit more memory to run a kde app in gnome or a gnome app in kde than entirely sticking to your program set. KDE has little to nothing to do with whether or not WINE or Compiz (what drives said desktop effects) or any other program will work.

You can move apps around on the panel pager. I don't see why you would want to move over apps to the next desktop any other way than right clicking the title bar and send to desktop 2 or whatnot, its much quicker, but with compiz enabled you can easily do so just as you did in normal ubuntu. I don't think gnome can normally do that either, i'm pretty sure it's compiz's doing, which can easily be added to kde. I'm also quite sure your problem with not being able to switch to the next desktop with your key sequence is because compiz was not turned on. I use kde because for me it's significantly more intuitive and configurable, the latter of which Linus Torvalds tends to praise KDE over Gnome for as well. The two desktops have different goals. Gnome tends to hide as many non-essential settings and plugins as possible so not to overwhelm the new user, and instead puts it in a central settings deal vaguely similar to the windows registry. KDE just has everything there for you in one spot, regardless of whether or not you are new, assuming you'll enjoy the extra options at your fingertips instead of having to hunt for them. To me, it seems like simple w/ settings hidden vs power configuration. I have both installed, along with KDE 4, and used Gnome for the better part of a year or so, but I use KDE 3 95% of the time these days.

[soulfly7x]

what cant I do with KDE that I did with Gnome

Nothing. *My opinion here* KDE is way better than GNOME, because the control panel for customization is all right there in one place. The programs are more interlinked, it doesn't looks so ugly you want to poke your eyes out like GNOME.

Sorry GNOME folks, I know you can change the look of GNOME but the point is, that it's immediately necessary, but it's not immediately necessary in KDE. I have quite a few installs I've run, and never felt the need to alter the default look.

Also, how on earth is Synaptic better than Adept?

I just plain don't get the appeal of GNOME. /rant

Now, as others have said, it's a different Desktop Environment, which means that the way you do things may be a bit different, but the things you can do are the same. You see, the kernel itself is exactly the same kernel between Ubuntu GNOME and Kubuntu KDE.

The foundation is the same, only the GUI is different. I think if you give Kubuntu a try, you will find that you like the KDE apps, like K3b for ripping and burning, Amarok for music, Kaffeine for video, dolphin for file browser,

Personally, every time I take a step away from KDE and give GNOME another try, I wonder why I bothered.

The apps are interoperable, you can use Amarok in Gnome, or Gimp in KDE. It's still the same kernel. Whether you want the KDE version or not isn't so much made irrelevant based on what programs you like, but rather the interface you prefer. Perhaps KDE isn't MORE customizable than GNOME, but it's more EASILY customized.

[Hmarroqu]

Thanks all for the input...Im using a fresh install of KDE right now...so far I really like all the apps... of course I need GImp so I installed that. I have a weird issue though that *may be * for a different thread but since its not really off topic...

I have really ugly and choppy movement of the windows.. any app, for instance Ill go to move Konqeror and It gets all blurred up and the graphics just go out and reload when i place it "down" again...kinda like when a windows app goes bad and blank, then when you move it the taskbars and other window bars smudge on it....savy?

Any input ? thanks lots

[Sinkingships7]

might this be a graphics card problem? may you give us your pc specifications?

[Hmarroqu]

YEA ... Is there an easy way to get a list of What i have because I build this computer from like 4 different ones...its a Frankenstein and I dont know off the top of my head...It works flawlessly with Gnome though so Im guessing Kubuntu install must have missed something Gnome doesnt...just a thought... much obliged.

[uberlube]

Dont know about you guys but KDE has always seemed more stable than Gnome to me. Plus the default software is much better :)

[mgranet]

lspci should give us a rough idea of what you have under the hood.

[Hmarroqu]

lspci should give us a rough idea of what you have under the hood.

Here is what I got when I ran that...

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 01)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 81)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DB (ICH4) IDE Controller (rev 01)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller (rev 01)
00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)