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AlexLinuxUser101
February 17th, 2008, 07:53 PM
Here are some personal experiences and tidbits that I have noticed in my so far limited experience with Ubuntu:

1. Poor music management software. In my experience, nothing really matches the functionality or performance of itunes. The best thing that I have found so far is rhythymbox, but it still needs a lot of work. I am willing to help in any way I can. I just don't know how to.

2. Ubuntu needs a new marketing team. I am sorry, but despite how much I absolutely adore ubuntu and how it is amazing and how it is free, despite having ALL the features of BOTH vista and mac, being more stable, and can look like both... for some reason, it is not propsering! If people really understood how great Ubuntu was, it would do great. The only reason why there is little software for ubuntu is because it has little popularity. The reason it has little popularity is because its' software choices are limited (I know, there is a ton of free software for ubuntu and great alternatives. But you have to admit... or well, I have to admit... GIMP does not level up to Photoshop... openoffice to microsoft word 2007... amarok/rhythymbox to itunes... there is no macromedia flash... the list goes on). My argument for this is that this is simply not a valid argument against ubuntu. People cannot say "oh, ubuntu sucks because there is no software for it." The first step is making it more popular. I already find it amazing that the developers are actually developing linux FOR Other things, rather than vice versa. That is quite a feat... but it should certainly be the other way around. Which ultimately is why I think the way to fix most problems with software and hardware is to get it more popular and improve the marketing sector of ubuntu (when I say marketing here I mean advertising... as it is free).

- "Linux - Distribution: Debian-based Ubuntu Version 7.10 Codename Gusty Gibbon" is not particularly catchy to the average user (yes, I am exaggerating here but just for the purpose of making the point). When researching Ubuntu for the first time, I was very confused about what to get. "What the hell is the difference between Gusty Gibbon and Fiesty Fawn?" "Should I get Beryl or Compiz?" Etc. Obviously I eventually realized that Gusty was just an updated version and that there indeed used to be a difference between Beryl and Compiz but now people go with Compiz-fusion. The point I am making is that it is rather confusing about what to get. Actually knowing what to get needs to be a little more userfriendly. Perhaps the most simplistic solution would be to indeed keep all the distributions (as I think it would be a step backwards if they were removed), but create a sort of official questionaire asking you about your basic computer usage habits and what is important to you ("must be compatible with as many programs/hardware as possible", be very fast, etc.") and saying what you should get. Personally, I think the average user should be able to understand that generally what they would want is the latest version of Ubuntu. This should be made pretty clear. EDIT: I just found the official quiz which indeed does that. I think the difficulty of finding it was kind of characteristic of the problem, though.

- Ubuntu needs to come prequipped with some key software...
Compiz-fusion WITH compiz config. Screenlets (I think many of the screenlets need a lot of work, personally.). A single, music management software that even mac and windows users will envy. Needs to be as fast as rhythymbox, but have all the features of many of the other programs. A reworked open office. It is a powerful, simplistic program, but it still reminds me of the old microsoft word program.

Would it be possible to advertise ubuntu on national television? Perhaps a very well developed ad that makes people really interested in ubuntu would really do well for it. I think leaving ubuntu CD's with a "What is Ubuntu?" pamphlet around places such as computer stores and other random places would do really well for it, as well.

Another very effective, in my opinion, program would be to have "Ubuntu Experts." This would be similar to "mac geniuses" but better. Have registered techies who throughout the world people can just type where they live and perhaps have a physical person help them with their ubuntu. I imagine such a volunteer-based program could be pretty effective in helping appease some people who would otherwise be turned away by the thought of having a lot of trouble. Of course, we have this forum, but it can only do so much for some people. I think it would be rather effective for someone to be able to say where they live, and find a "ubuntu expert" who could help them partition their drive and install ubuntu and tell them basically how to install basic programs. And you can easily have these people be a paid service. 10-20 dollars per hour of physical technical support with people who register around the world who can help. Just an idea.

Ultimately I really hope there is some way I can help with all of this. Realize I have virtually nill programming experience. I have a lot of artistic experience and such, though. I would mostly be able to help with ideas, time put in (just effort from volunteer work), and the such. I hope nobody misinterprets this thread as a rant against Ubuntu. I absolutely adore it and am amazed it is does not "monopolize" (for lack of a better word) the computer industry. But I think it should, that is what I would like to see and would be my goal. Thanks for reading.

SandyJ
February 17th, 2008, 08:43 PM
Here are some personal experiences and tidbits that I have noticed in my so far limited experience with Ubuntu:

...

2. Ubuntu needs a new marketing team.

It's hard to pay for good marketers, or advertising, when you're not earning enough income to pay for it. All Ubuntu has for this (or just about anything else) are volunteers.

I've come to think that marketing is an under-appreciated art. Just about everything thinks they can do it. In most cases what they come up is at best useless, and at worst is counter-productive (to put the best face on it).

(Mind you, not all professional marketers can market effectively either.)







- Ubuntu needs to come prequipped with some key software...


I suspect the underlying software is adequate in most of it. Remember: most of any package's features are never used by the average user.

What would be better would be to develop a simple, clean user interface. Unfortunately this is another area that is an art rather than a science, with few good artists practicing it and all of them unappreciated.

Let the newbies have something that is easy to understand, use, play with. Unfortunately a lot of what they encounter is cryptic, or at least difficult to use. The result is too many quickly throw up their hands and abandon the product.

They can always find something with the feature(s) they really want later.






Would it be possible to advertise ubuntu on national television?

What a great idea! Let's buy a spot right now on next year's Superbowl telecast.

er, you're willing to pick up the tab for this n'est-ce pas? ;-)



Perhaps a very well developed ad that makes people really interested in ubuntu would really do well for it. I think leaving ubuntu CD's with a "What is Ubuntu?" pamphlet around places such as computer stores and other random places would do really well for it, as well.

Again: money. Money to pay for the printing and the pressing. Money to truck the stuff around the world.

There are ways to market/advertise with little money. Guerilla marketing, done well, can be wonderfully effective and lends itself well to things like Ubuntu. It can also backfire badly when not done right, and usually requires an entrepreneur (rather than a volunteer) guiding/controlling it.

Unfortunately it ain't that easy. There's no magic wand at our disposal.

wolfen69
February 17th, 2008, 09:16 PM
GIMP does not level up to Photoshop
unless you do photoshop for a living, GIMP is more than enough to get the job done.

openoffice to microsoft word 2007
is everyone in the world a high level executive? 80% of all people only use 20% of features for any app.

amarok/rhythymbox to itunes
i guess if you own an ipod. other than that, amarok is awesome.

there is no macromedia flash
you're right. it's now called Adobe Flash. and it works great for me.

you are just used to the windows way of doing things. once i got used to linux, i no longer had a need to do things "according to Bill". my freedom is worth alot more than nit-picky differences between windows/linux apps.

you have the freedom to choose. if you choose windows, you have my sympathies. some things will never be good enough for some people.

i will end this piece with some nuggets of wisdom by ubuntuforum member- dj_padawan:

I feel as if I've had Stockholm syndrome for years. I was so stuck on Windows because I thought that because it was everywhere then they were the ones doing things right. In some sick way we start to love our captors and begin to think that they are looking out for our needs. I guess it is kind of like trusting that your government is looking out for your well being then finding out that really they only care about the people giving them money.

ashmew2
February 18th, 2008, 08:32 AM
Another very effective, in my opinion, program would be to have "Ubuntu Experts." This would be similar to "mac geniuses" but better. Have registered techies who throughout the world people can just type where they live and perhaps have a physical person help them with their ubuntu. I imagine such a volunteer-based program could be pretty effective in helping appease some people who would otherwise be turned away by the thought of having a lot of trouble. Of course, we have this forum, but it can only do so much for some people. I think it would be rather effective for someone to be able to say where they live, and find a "ubuntu expert" who could help them partition their drive and install ubuntu and tell them basically how to install basic programs. And you can easily have these people be a paid service. 10-20 dollars per hour of physical technical support with people who register around the world who can help. Just an idea.


I think this is one of the best ideas I have ever come across!.

And regarding the other things , just give it a little time. Applications in Linux are far far better than Windows. You can run almost all Windows Applications under Linux...I dare you to run Linux apps under Windows...

azimuth
February 18th, 2008, 05:38 PM
Another very effective, in my opinion, program would be to have "Ubuntu Experts." This would be similar to "mac geniuses" but better. Have registered techies who throughout the world people can just type where they live and perhaps have a physical person help them with their ubuntu. I imagine such a volunteer-based program could be pretty effective in helping appease some people who would otherwise be turned away by the thought of having a lot of trouble. Of course, we have this forum, but it can only do so much for some people. .

This already exists in many locations. Have you ever heard of LUGs or LOCOs? This isn't the exact "house call" that you suggest, It's better. Get together with local Linux users and exchange information, programs and make use of the combined knowledge in making things work.

Shadowmeph
February 18th, 2008, 07:24 PM
Another very effective, in my opinion, program would be to have "Ubuntu Experts." This would be similar to "mac geniuses" but better. Have registered techies who throughout the world people can just type where they live and perhaps have a physical person help them with their ubuntu. I imagine such a volunteer-based program could be pretty effective in helping appease some people who would otherwise be turned away by the thought of having a lot of trouble. Of course, we have this forum, but it can only do so much for some people. I think it would be rather effective for someone to be able to say where they live, and find a "ubuntu expert" who could help them partition their drive and install ubuntu and tell them basically how to install basic programs. And you can easily have these people be a paid service. 10-20 dollars per hour of physical technical support with people who register around the world who can help. Just an idea.



I think this is one of the best ideas I have ever come across!.

And regarding the other things , just give it a little time. Applications in Linux are far far better than Windows. You can run almost all Windows Applications under Linux...I dare you to run Linux apps under Windows...

Sorry off topic
I am glad I checked out your sig the call that is a great place for a noob like me thanks :)

bobbybobington
February 18th, 2008, 08:10 PM
Marketing is one of the areas that could really benefit from brainstorming and some discussion, the forum really needs a marketing section.
I'm taking a marketing class, so I suppose I could help out.

Cew27
February 18th, 2008, 08:16 PM
why dont all the people on this lovely forum donte $10 to go towards the first ubuntu add!

3rdalbum
February 19th, 2008, 02:19 AM
To the OP: Do you really own legal copies of Photoshop and Flash? Those are pretty expensive pieces of software; so either you're a rich hobbyist or you make your living from those programs. Most people aren't rich hobbyists, and most people aren't multimedia authorers.

kristjans
February 19th, 2008, 06:43 AM
BTW, if you want to buy music (can't figure what else Linux apps you tried wouldn't have that iTunes does), check out eMusic (http://www.emusic.com/). I think they didn't have a 64-bit client, but if you are interested in messing around a little bit, then you can download the files from eMusic site and open them with emusicj (http://www.kallisti.net.nz/EMusicJ), which will then download the (non-DRM) mp3's to your computer.

ashmew2
February 19th, 2008, 10:13 AM
Yea well , taking in account the idea , shouldnt we donate $10 (or as much everyone can muster) , for a real Ubuntu ad ?

Cew27
February 19th, 2008, 12:02 PM
yey someone took my idea seriously

stalkingwolf
February 19th, 2008, 01:13 PM
10-20 dollars per hour of physical technical support with people who register around the world who can help. Just an idea.


Great Idea. When exactly is the windows community starting this
program ? The going rate in my area for any service is between
48.00 and 78.00 an hour, most with a 2 hour min. I charge 25.00
an hour with a 1 hr min. Care to guess what i spend most of MY time doing? let me give you a hint, the 2 most recent machines I have worked on.
1. had 40 viruses and 193 malware programs.
2. had 496 reg errors, 1 virus and several malware.

I and many others far more experienced than myself are here to help with any and all problems that arise. But you suggest we make ourselves physically available to help. Idont know about anywhere else
but where I am gas is about 3.00 a gallon.

I work full time 40-45 hrs a week. Then I come home and work 2-6
hrs a night on either learning more about Ubuntu, computers in general, or working on them. Sure I can work in just a few more
hours of cheap labor.


why dont all the people on this lovely forum donte $10 to go towards the first ubuntu add!

Great I'm in. Lets start a fund. As soon as I see yours on a list
I will send mine. Lets do some Linux - PC adds kinda like the Mac - PC ones. those are funny.:lolflag:

freebeer
February 19th, 2008, 03:46 PM
Lets do some Linux - PC adds kinda like the Mac - PC ones. those are funny.

Have you seen these? Linky (http://tv.truenuff.com/mac/) and these (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rtp5gNhBZgo)?

stalkingwolf
February 24th, 2008, 12:51 PM
Had not seen those . they are funny. Especially the Linux babe.

Penguins or Babes? hmmmmmm!!!!
Taylor Hicks, Jennifer Love Hewitt, JLo, Linux Babes? Explore the possibilities