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eilu
February 8th, 2008, 01:25 PM
Medyo nakakaasar ang nangyari sa akin sa USTe, so here goes:
May libreng WiFi na available for UST students, you just have to go to the computer center ("STEPS" office) with your reg form and they will activate the account for you.
BUT hindi nila ginagawa yun if your OS is Linux. Ang sabi sa akin nung technician e "hindi nagme-meet ang encryption namin at ang Linux" period. Ni hindi man lang nya tiniganan yung laptop ko. Sa tingin ko ay hindi sila marunong gumamit ng Linux, at ayaw nila aminin yon. Ayaw din nila sabihin kung anong kailangan gawin- pag papaactivate mo, kukunin nila yung laptop and sila gagawa; they do not show you or tell you, so there is no way I can set it up myself and prove him wrong. :-x
Graduating na ako this march, so hindi na ako gaanong affected, plus dahil intern e sabado lang ako nasa UST, so not so much of a problem. Kaso kawawa naman yung ibang ppl na naka-linux- ung mga naka-eeePC, etc.
Anyone in UST willing to teach the STEPS people to use Linux? Or better yet, lobby them to use open source software- sayang ang tuition na nakakain ng implementation ng Windows Vista, pati laptops ng mga prof e shouldered namin!

actually, marami na akong naging problema with these people in the past. Irregular student kasi ako, so my schedule (on their PC's) looks weird, kaya lagi akong nahahassle pag enrollement (wrong subjects encoded, wrong tuition fee charged...). Tapos yung online course sites namin dati ay IE-only. Inaway ko sila to support firefox and apple safari... lagi pang down every weekend... IMHO they're not very good techs!
Kuta din ng mga virus ang mga PC sa UST, kasi walang anti-virus. Nilalagyan kong AVG yung sa mga prof ko na humihingi ng tulong... but STEPS blocks anti-virus updates! Ang saya di ba? ](*,)

Samhain13
February 8th, 2008, 01:53 PM
Masama nga itong situwasyon na ito lalo na't sa paaralan nangyayari. Mas masama pa at sa UST ito, na isa sa mga kilalang unibersidad sa bansa.

Posible kaya na gumawa ng petisyon ang mga mag-aaral ng UST na gumagamit ng Linux para subukan man lang ng mga tech na harapin ang mga isyu na nabanggit mo? Ang sagwa naman kasi. Ang pagkakaalala ko, magaling ang Computer Science program ninyo; tapos ganyan na pag-setup lang ng WiFi connection, hindi pa maasikaso dahil iba ang Operating System na gamit ng iba.

Siguro nga may attitude problem lang yung mga tao na nakakausap mo.

loell
February 8th, 2008, 02:00 PM
heh, i can hear the song,

waiting for UST to change. by John meyer :mrgreen:


hintay lang nang konti sa pagbabago. :)

Jucato
February 8th, 2008, 03:27 PM
I'm sad to hear about this, since I'm an alumni, kaso hindi computer, or even science related (although I wanted to take up Com Sci as my course).

Unfortunately, I somehow expected this to happen when you mentioned that it was from the Computer Center (STEPS na pala tawag nila dun?). Sad to say, I see UST as a bit lagging behind in the computer (and) technology department, even when it shouldn't. We've had problems before with Ed Tech's and Computer Center's incompetencies, so this doesn't come as a surprise. Nakakalungkot, but somehow I feel that's the situation there before.

Probably the best course of action is to make students of IT-related courses more aware of the situation and start supporting, if not advocating, FOSS. Hey, they don't have to switch to Linux or stuff. If they do, well and good. But if they don't, at least support them! :(

daxumaming
February 9th, 2008, 01:55 AM
I'm sure they're talking about WEP and/or WPA, but WEP IS supported on Linux. And they're probably using MAC Filtering too - that's why they're requiring they take a look at students laptops.

Now I would applaud STEPS if they're rejecting Linux because they're using WPA - since too few cards support WPA on Linux. However, if it's because they don't know Linux or are scared of it, then that's another thing, and it sucks Big Time!

But here's what alarmed me... they didn't even take a look at your laptop at the mere mention of Linux AND they required students to give them their laptop so they can configure it - but you're not allowed to see or know what you've configured.

Conspiracy Theory: they're installing a custom win32 application that would allow authenticated laptops to connect to your school's network. (I hope this is the reason why they didn't even bother taking a look at your laptop) But if they're using a verified WEP/WPA application available for free, they wouldn't have to require you to give them your laptop, they'll just give you a download link, give you instructions on how to configure it, and ask for your MAC Adddress.

Now what if they're also installing a logger? They do have a right to check what sites you're accessing or how you use their network. But since you're not allowed to see or know what they've configured, then somethings wrong... and fishy. I suggest you not petition the use of linux, rather you should petition that they be transparent with the process or what they've configured.

eilu
February 9th, 2008, 12:16 PM
@daxumaming: that's a valid point. Medyo nagdadalawang-isip nga ako about the account originally because of that, but since it was "free" (well, not really- I'm pretty sure they've built it into the tuition somehwere). It's a moot point by now though.

Unfortunately wala akong kilala sa IT. I'm a PT student. Oh well. Maybe in 10 years UST will be on Linux. Sayang lang kasi talaga- everything is MS-based.

karlo
February 10th, 2008, 12:36 AM
Medyo nakakaasar ang nangyari sa akin sa USTe, so here goes:
May libreng WiFi na available for UST students, you just have to go to the computer center ("STEPS" office) with your reg form and they will activate the account for you.
BUT hindi nila ginagawa yun if your OS is Linux. Ang sabi sa akin nung technician e "hindi nagme-meet ang encryption namin at ang Linux" period. Ni hindi man lang nya tiniganan yung laptop ko. Sa tingin ko ay hindi sila marunong gumamit ng Linux, at ayaw nila aminin yon. Ayaw din nila sabihin kung anong kailangan gawin- pag papaactivate mo, kukunin nila yung laptop and sila gagawa; they do not show you or tell you, so there is no way I can set it up myself and prove him wrong. :-x
Graduating na ako this march, so hindi na ako gaanong affected, plus dahil intern e sabado lang ako nasa UST, so not so much of a problem. Kaso kawawa naman yung ibang ppl na naka-linux- ung mga naka-eeePC, etc.
Anyone in UST willing to teach the STEPS people to use Linux? Or better yet, lobby them to use open source software- sayang ang tuition na nakakain ng implementation ng Windows Vista, pati laptops ng mga prof e shouldered namin!

actually, marami na akong naging problema with these people in the past. Irregular student kasi ako, so my schedule (on their PC's) looks weird, kaya lagi akong nahahassle pag enrollement (wrong subjects encoded, wrong tuition fee charged...). Tapos yung online course sites namin dati ay IE-only. Inaway ko sila to support firefox and apple safari... lagi pang down every weekend... IMHO they're not very good techs!
Kuta din ng mga virus ang mga PC sa UST, kasi walang anti-virus. Nilalagyan kong AVG yung sa mga prof ko na humihingi ng tulong... but STEPS blocks anti-virus updates! Ang saya di ba? ](*,)

I have an explaination for it. Na excite ako sabihin, anyway ito na.

Recently I bought a router, cheap lang, CD-R King, Encore Electronics ang name nya.

Ngayon, unencrypted muna, kasi di ko alam ang encryptions etc...

I researched, using Google, thank GOD, every question is my life is answered by google, well mostly.:lolflag:

Then, try ko WEP. Sa encryption na yon, normally, weak pa din sya. May 64bit something na dapat 5 characters ang password mo (up to 3-4 passwords puwede mo enter), and yung 128bit ata, 13 characters na password na (up to 3-4) passwords puwede.

Now, some other time ko na lang explain bakit weak ang WEP.

So, posible na pag gagamit ka WiFi nila eh kailangan nilang enter ang PASSWORD sa PC mo, kasi wala naman talagang sariling account, eh, password lang, single passowrd, or baka gumamit sila ng iba ibang password, pero password lang.

Ngayon, sa Windows, basta na enter yon, diba basta may na detect na Wireless Network, automatic ka na connect?

WPA-WPA2, normally designed lang for a Windows PC, very much secured, isang password lang magagamit mo, any length ata. Very very encrypted. Talagang isang password lang..

Kaya lang, ang galing, yung sinubukan ko Live CD Fedora, lalung lalu na nung Live CD Ubuntu, aba, may WPA2 na support sa WiFi networks.

I use WPA2 which is the strongest and newest encryption of all, actually para magamit mo sya sa XP, may patch or install ka na security update, para magamit mo yon, sa Vista, meron na non.

Gawin mo pag nasa Ubuntu ka, sa Top right kung GNONE ka or bottom right, right click mo Wireless networks, then click the network of UST, then may login, ipamukha mo sa walang hiya na yon ang different kinds of encryptions na offered ng linux, ha, sabihin mo din, sa Internet, search mo lang sa YouTube eh mga mas maaga pa nag computer sa atin 10-13 years old eh iba't ibang klase na ng linux nagamit nila at yung iba programmers pa. ANO BA NAMAN SYA, ANG TANDA NA NYA DI SYA MARUNONG GUMAMIT LINUX OR SANA MAN LANG HINAYAAN NYA MATUTO SYA. NAKAKAHIYA SYA. KAHIT AKO IHARAP MO AKO SA LINUX PC NA WALANG IDEA AKO DON, OBVIOUSLY MAGIGING CURIOUS AKO, SINCE MAY NABABASA KA NAMAN SA SCREEN NG LINUX PC EH DI EXPLORE AND FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS, DIBA?:mad:

Nforcr
February 12th, 2008, 01:22 AM
Bro, UST student din ako, nung una nga rin sabi sakin ng STEPs Windows lang ang nakakaaccess, pero napagana ko rin ung WiMesh dito sa Gutsy. WPA2 Enterprise ang gamit nila...

karlo
February 12th, 2008, 02:05 AM
Bro, UST student din ako, nung una nga rin sabi sakin ng STEPs Windows lang ang nakakaaccess, pero napagana ko rin ung WiMesh dito sa Gutsy. WPA2 Enterprise ang gamit nila...

Wow, susyal naman nyan... WPA2 Enterprise. Paano magkaroon non sa bahay?:lolflag:

Ano kaya ISP ng USTE?

Sino dito College of Science?

Nforcr
February 12th, 2008, 03:13 AM
Wow, susyal naman nyan... WPA2 Enterprise. Paano magkaroon non sa bahay?:lolflag:

Ano kaya ISP ng USTE?

Sino dito College of Science?

Ung router namin dito sa bahay pwedeng WPA2 Enterpise... (WRT54G)

warshak
February 12th, 2008, 06:21 AM
Kwento mo sa Varsitarian(kahit sa website lang nila), especially yung part na di man lang tiningnan ang laptop mo ng sinabi mong linux. Tapos mention mo na rin si Sir Nforcr na napagana niya sa gutsy ang WiMesh. Mention mo na rin yung ni raise na point ni Sir Daxumaming. at sa dulo ng sulat mo bigay mo sa kanila link mo dito sa thread na 'to :)

Di ako nagtataka karamihan ng nagtatrabaho sa IT office ng schools medyo utak talangka. Usually yan yung fiefdom mentality nila ang cause ng problema.

karlo
February 12th, 2008, 04:01 PM
Ung router namin dito sa bahay pwedeng WPA2 Enterpise... (WRT54G)

ME too, kaya lang di ko alam i-setup router ko. Pag enterprise ata kailangan pa ng isang pc na may ip address for authentication eh...