opera 9.5 versus firefox 3.0 (gran paradiso)

[sox fan Matt]

Which will you use? Ive thought about retrying opera but im so used to the configurations of Firefox and Swift weasel, I guess Any new things in Opera 9.5 beta that should convince me to give it another shot?

[SomeGuyDude]

Opera 95 was really stable and didn't lose any functionality from 9.0. If you like it in its current form you'll love the new one.

Firefox 3.0b2, on the other hand, doesn't work with all but two or three of the add-ons I like. If you've got Firefox/Swiftweasel setup the way you like it, I'd suggest you wait a little while before trying that.

[bruce89]

Neither. Epiphany and hopefully with WebKit at some point.

[1337455 10534]

I tried Safari on XP once. Besides its appalling lack of features, its fast.
I heard it shares some engine Konqueror uses. Konqueror has too many features, and it was a bit slow to me (well, this was back when I had SUSE, I was back to Ubuntu literally within the hour).

Is there anything like Safari (speed-wise) with a Firefoxy amount of features, with the good memory usage of opera (on windows, it hogs up a lot under Linux..)??

[LaRoza]

I have been using Opera 9.50b for a while now, with Flash.

[sagarhshah]

been using opera since version 6!

always loved it and hopefully always will!

[Iceni]

Opera is for some reason unstable for me. Expecting it to change with final.

Firefox 3 has been kind of sluggish when I've tried it so I stay away. Opera user for a million year anyway:)

[sox fan Matt]

1337455,

Have you tried the Isafari theme or I safari theme for Firefox?

Isafari- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4927
Isafari Leopard-https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6236

PS: I'm using Isafari on 2.0.0.11 Swift weasel and it works flawlessly..

Hope these Help..

[-grubby]

I use Opera 9.5b. I found Firefox 3 to be better than Firefox 2 but did not like it

[smartboyathome]

For me, I am hoping opera will be faster. I tried Firefox 3 and Opera 9.25, and opera took 100 more MBs of ram than Firefox 3.

[forrestcupp]

I tried Opera 9.5 and went back to Firefox. There are just a few things that annoy me about it. One thing was the lack of an option to automatically put the focus on a new tab when it opens. Why would they not have that option?

[Polygon]

of course extensions dont support ff3 yet, it hasnt been officially released. When its released all the extensions will eventually be ported over.

[SomeGuyDude]

of course extensions dont support ff3 yet, it hasnt been officially released. When its released all the extensions will eventually be ported over.

I realize that. It's why I said the BETA isn't a good choice right now.

[D-EJ915]

I tried Opera 9.5 and went back to Firefox. There are just a few things that annoy me about it. One thing was the lack of an option to automatically put the focus on a new tab when it opens. Why would they not have that option?
Opera uses 2 different ways to open things in tabs, you either open it in background or not, by default the "open new tab" is the background one, you can switch it to just "new tab" if you want to. I don't know exactly what thing you want to open in new tabs, but here is the option for middle click: http://dej915.serveftp.com:777/pictures/opera_tabs.jpg Opera is like 100x more configurable than any other browser, probably why people get fed up, lol, it takes forever to find the options you want to change.

[SomeGuyDude]

Opera uses 2 different ways to open things in tabs, you either open it in background or not, by default the "open new tab" is the background one, you can switch it to just "new tab" if you want to. I don't know exactly what thing you want to open in new tabs, but here is the option for middle click: http://dej915.serveftp.com:777/pictures/opera_tabs.jpg Opera is like 100x more configurable than any other browser, probably why people get fed up, lol, it takes forever to find the options you want to change.

My problem is it doesn't have "plugins". It has "widgets". I don't want "widgets", I want little programs to actually modify how Opera behaves, not a calculator or a game of Tetris. That's a near dealbreaker for me (and I'm saying that as I take Opera 9.5 for a whirl again).

It's also dang slow loading pages compared to Swiftweasel. It renders them better, looks GORGEOUS with the fonts, but it's slow and has no plugin feature. That's really no good for me.

However, it does things very well, such as "not totally exploding when I use a dark theme". SW muffs that pretty badly.

[davtaine]

My problem is it doesn't have "plugins".

Do you mean these http://files.myopera.com/Rijk/blog/extensions.html "plugins" ? (addons/extensions?)

[Paqman]

I just installed FF3 the other day, and was impressed with the huge jump in speed over the current version. My extensions are the only thing holding me back at the moment. When that's sorted i'll be upgrading in a shot!

[Trail]

Opera 95 was ...

Omg, Opera 98, Opera ME, Opera XP...

[SupaSonic]

Opera 9.5 crashes sometimes when I open pages with flash content... But so did FF3. I use Opera because it's faster. At least it feels faster. Nowadays there's no huge difference really.

[forrestcupp]

Opera uses 2 different ways to open things in tabs, you either open it in background or not, by default the "open new tab" is the background one, you can switch it to just "new tab" if you want to. I don't know exactly what thing you want to open in new tabs, but here is the option for middle click: http://dej915.serveftp.com:777/pictures/opera_tabs.jpg Opera is like 100x more configurable than any other browser, probably why people get fed up, lol, it takes forever to find the options you want to change.

Well, that's kind of a dumb place to put that option. When I want to set an option for how tabs work, it's logical for me to go to the "Tabs" settings.

So I'm trying them both now, and I don't really see anything better about Opera. What is there that's supposedly better about it? I'm not trying to start a fight here, I really want to know. It does seem to render pages a lot faster than FF2, but not any faster than FF3.

[p_quarles]

Moved to Recurring Discussions.

[SomeGuyDude]

Do you mean these http://files.myopera.com/Rijk/blog/extensions.html "plugins" ? (addons/extensions?)

Those aren't plugins, though. It's a list of how to approximate what functions you can. On that list at least half say "Not available", others say "already featured" for things like TabMix which is decidedly NOT the same, and a lot of the rest are UserScripts which are okay but certainly not of the same level.

From the Opera FAQ (http://www.opera.com/press/faq/):

"Opera does not support third party extensions. Opera has rather incorporated the most useful and popular features in its browser and holds itself accountable for the functionality of these features. With integrated features rather than extensions, users are not subjected to the vulnerabilities of extensions created by third parties, which may or may not go through a verification or testing process. With the largest Web browser development lab in the world, Opera ensures that all of its features are smoothly integrated, tested and ready for the user."

That said, thank you for the link, I'll definitely bookmark it and see if I can use as much of it as I can to bring my Opera experience a little "closer to home" as it were. :guitar:

[el mariachi]

can Firefox3 run with webkit instead of gecko? that would be my browser of choice (I just love those widgets!!)

[smartboyathome]

can Firefox3 run with webkit instead of gecko? that would be my browser of choice (I just love those widgets!!)

No. Epiphany is developing a browser around it though. :)

[bruce89]

No. Epiphany is developing a browser around it though. :)

They already have a browser, they just need to hook up Epiphany to it.

I've got a test Epiphany/WebKit combo from Subversion, it's fast but a few things still don't work.

[el mariachi]

I've tried Midori - it's very fast and über light, but it's still in alpha phase so it's pretty simple, although it renders pages better than firefox (because of webkit?)

[bruce89]

I've tried Midori - it's very fast and über light, but it's still in alpha phase so it's pretty simple, although it renders pages better than firefox (because of webkit?)

Yes, it uses WebKit. In fact, it's the only package currently that uses WebKit.

[greymongrey]

Do you mean these http://files.myopera.com/Rijk/blog/extensions.html "plugins" ? (addons/extensions?)

Kind of showa how feature rich Opera really is if people will just take the time to find them. I gave up on FF a long time ago because of memory bugs and page rendering.

[kagashe]

I would love to use Opera instead of Firefox but don't use it for two reasons:
1) I am from India and visit Hindi and Marathi sites. Opera fails to correctly render the fonts even in the latest version. Firefox compiled with pango support (by Ubuntu) does the job correctly.
2) There is nothing like Foxmarks on Opera.

kagashe

[Erunno]

2) There is nothing like Foxmarks on Opera.

There is starting with Opera 9.5.

http://www.opera.com/products/link/

[samwyse]

I used to be an Opera user, but I don't feel the need to go back. A few things I noticed trying it after a while:

1. Changing the number of lines to scroll with the mouse wheel is not possible. The default is useless.
2. Mouse wheel on the tab bar doesn't cycle tabs.
3. It has a semi-qt look that doesn't integrate properly with anything.

[kagashe]

ok. I downloaded Opera 9.5b and posting this from it. The font rendering has improved but it is crashing on entering gmail url.

When I opened through terminal it is reporting Segmentation fault. Can it be fixed?

kagashe

[el mariachi]

maybe SSL isn't fully implemented in the beta (?)

[BOBSONATOR]

firefox 3 for me so far, its much fast then its previous release, and all the goodies are still there :)