Before You Know It - Language software won't install

[rjmarshall]

I found a link in the appdb for wine that says "Before You Know It" v3.6 has been tested on Ubuntu. But when I try to run the installer (for Chinese) it gives me an error saying, "Current software cannot be installed on your OS."

Does anyone know how they installed "Before You Know It" and got it working?

The link to the test results is:

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=5797

Thanks,

Rob

[yabbadabbadont]

They listed what they had to do to get it to run:
Testing Lite version - Everything, program and download new lists all work.

riched20.dll & riched32.dll must be in native mode

Also have ole32, oleaut32, & rpcrt4 in native, builtin mode (not sure if these help or not, I have as default settings.
Are you using the Lite version? Did you change the settings for the listed dlls to be what was listed?

The wine documentation explains how to do dll overrides if you need that information:

http://www.winehq.org/site/docs/wineusr-guide/config-wine-main#AEN241

[rjmarshall]

Yeah, that's what I've been trying. I set up the dll's the way they suggested, and I am trying to download the lite version.

It's a file called BYKIDownloaderPC.exe. When I open it in Wine it comes up with the "smart downloader" window, It says it will download all the components necessary, I click on "start", it says, "Query for updates..." and then comes back with, "current software cannot be installed on your OS" and the only thing it lets me do is click on "close".

So, I'm not sure if I'm missing a step or doing something else wrong. I can't seem to find a version of the download that is just a zip file of the program and files, and it seems like the only way to get it is to use their "smart downloader".

Any suggestions?

Thank-you,

Rob

[rjmarshall]

Never mind...the problem was that Wine was configured as "Windows 2000". When I selected "Windows XP" it started the download fine...It suddenly hit me that the problem may be the OS it thinks I have, and viola!

Thanks,

Rob

[rjmarshall]

I guess my excitement was short-lived...I got it to install and can even get the window to come up that allows me to select the list I want to work on (with riched20 configured as native, it complained about not finding it, so I set it up as native/builtin), but then it crashes with an unhandled exception.

Any help would be appreciated...

Here's the output:

fixme:keyboard:X11DRV_LoadKeyboardLayout L"E0010412", 0100: stub!
fixme:win:EnumDisplayDevicesW ((null),0,0x34effc,0x00000000), stub!
fixme:richedit:RichEditWndProc_common WM_STYLECHANGING: stub
fixme:richedit:RichEditWndProc_common WM_STYLECHANGED: stub
fixme:richedit:RichEditWndProc_common ECO_AUTOHSCROLL not implemented yet!
fixme:dciman:DCICreatePrimary 0x350 0xd4126c
err:tooltips:TOOLTIPS_WindowProc unknown msg 041f wp=00000001 lp=0034d230
fixme:richedit:fnTextSrv_QueryInterface Unknown interface: {8cc497c0-a1df-11ce-8098-00aa0047be5d}
wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x00000000 at address 0x42743a (thread 0019), starting debugger...
Unhandled exception: page fault on read access to 0x00000000 in 32-bit code (0x0042743a).
Register dump:
CS:0073 SS:007b DS:007b ES:007b FS:0033 GS:003b
EIP:0042743a ESP:0034df04 EBP:0034df50 EFLAGS:00010246( - 00 -RIZP1)
EAX:0034df84 EBX:00000000 ECX:0034df88 EDX:00000000
ESI:00000000 EDI:0034df84
Stack dump:
0x0034df04: 0034e2a4 00918d08 00000000 00000024
0x0034df14: 00000000 7c1693cd 00000024 0034dfc4
0x0034df24: 0034df84 00000000 00000000 00000000
0x0034df34: 0034df84 004803fd 00000000 0034df04
0x0034df44: 0034e158 004a0290 00000000 00ca9140
0x0034df54: 0044e5bd 00ca9140 00000000 00000000
Backtrace:
=>1 0x0042743a in byki36winlite (+0x2743a) (0x0034df50)
2 0x0044e5bd in byki36winlite (+0x4e5bd) (0x00ca9140)
0x0042743a: movl 0x0(%esi),%ecx
Modules:
Module Address Debug info Name (107 modules)
PE 350000- 3a9000 Deferred widgets
PE 400000- 51b000 Export byki36winlite
PE 520000- 6aa000 Deferred tlsound
PE e50000- f45000 Deferred bykires
PE 10000000-1007b000 Deferred keymapdll
PE 70d00000-70ea0000 Deferred gdiplus
ELF 7b800000-7b929000 Deferred kernel32<elf>
\-PE 7b820000-7b929000 \ kernel32
ELF 7bc00000-7bca0000 Deferred ntdll<elf>
\-PE 7bc10000-7bca0000 \ ntdll
ELF 7bf00000-7bf03000 Deferred <wine-loader>
PE 7c140000-7c243000 Deferred mfc71
PE 7c340000-7c396000 Deferred msvcr71
PE 7c3a0000-7c41b000 Deferred msvcp71
ELF 7d31c000-7d330000 Deferred dciman32<elf>
\-PE 7d320000-7d330000 \ dciman32
ELF 7dc96000-7dd21000 Deferred winex11<elf>
\-PE 7dcb0000-7dd21000 \ winex11
ELF 7e089000-7e09f000 Deferred msftedit<elf>
\-PE 7e090000-7e09f000 \ msftedit
ELF 7e09f000-7e0e5000 Deferred riched20<elf>
\-PE 7e0b0000-7e0e5000 \ riched20
ELF 7e0e5000-7e117000 Deferred uxtheme<elf>
\-PE 7e0f0000-7e117000 \ uxtheme
ELF 7e117000-7e12c000 Deferred midimap<elf>
\-PE 7e120000-7e12c000 \ midimap
ELF 7e12c000-7e153000 Deferred msacm32<elf>
\-PE 7e130000-7e153000 \ msacm32
ELF 7e153000-7e16b000 Deferred msacm32<elf>
\-PE 7e160000-7e16b000 \ msacm32
ELF 7e16b000-7e1a5000 Deferred wineoss<elf>
\-PE 7e170000-7e1a5000 \ wineoss
ELF 7e1a5000-7e1f6000 Deferred libgcrypt.so.11
ELF 7e1f6000-7e206000 Deferred libtasn1.so.3
ELF 7e206000-7e234000 Deferred libcrypt.so.1
ELF 7e234000-7e2a4000 Deferred libgnutls.so.13
ELF 7e2c9000-7e351000 Deferred libkrb5.so.3
ELF 7e351000-7e37a000 Deferred libgssapi_krb5.so.2
ELF 7e37a000-7e3af000 Deferred libcups.so.2
ELF 7e3c2000-7e3cb000 Deferred libxcursor.so.1
ELF 7e3cb000-7e3d1000 Deferred libxrandr.so.2
ELF 7e3d1000-7e3d9000 Deferred libxrender.so.1
ELF 7e3d9000-7e3e3000 Deferred libdrm.so.2
ELF 7e3e3000-7e3e8000 Deferred libxfixes.so.3
ELF 7e3e8000-7e3eb000 Deferred libxdamage.so.1
ELF 7e3eb000-7e44c000 Deferred libgl.so.1
ELF 7e44c000-7e451000 Deferred libxdmcp.so.6
ELF 7e451000-7e454000 Deferred libxau.so.6
ELF 7e454000-7e545000 Deferred libx11.so.6
ELF 7e545000-7e553000 Deferred libxext.so.6
ELF 7e553000-7e558000 Deferred libxxf86vm.so.1
ELF 7e558000-7e570000 Deferred libice.so.6
ELF 7e570000-7e578000 Deferred libsm.so.6
ELF 7e578000-7e57c000 Deferred libgpg-error.so.0
ELF 7e57c000-7e57e000 Deferred libkeyutils.so.1
ELF 7e57e000-7e586000 Deferred libkrb5support.so.0
ELF 7e5ff000-7e61f000 Deferred libexpat.so.1
ELF 7e61f000-7e64a000 Deferred libfontconfig.so.1
ELF 7e64a000-7e65f000 Deferred libz.so.1
ELF 7e65f000-7e6cf000 Deferred libfreetype.so.6
ELF 7e6cf000-7e7d2000 Deferred shell32<elf>
\-PE 7e6e0000-7e7d2000 \ shell32
ELF 7e7d2000-7e7f2000 Deferred mpr<elf>
\-PE 7e7e0000-7e7f2000 \ mpr
ELF 7e7f2000-7e83c000 Deferred wininet<elf>
\-PE 7e800000-7e83c000 \ wininet
ELF 7e83c000-7e84f000 Deferred libresolv.so.2
ELF 7e862000-7e880000 Deferred iphlpapi<elf>
\-PE 7e870000-7e880000 \ iphlpapi
ELF 7e880000-7e8d9000 Deferred rpcrt4<elf>
\-PE 7e890000-7e8d9000 \ rpcrt4
ELF 7e8d9000-7e97a000 Deferred ole32<elf>
\-PE 7e8f0000-7e97a000 \ ole32
ELF 7e97a000-7ea18000 Deferred oleaut32<elf>
\-PE 7e990000-7ea18000 \ oleaut32
ELF 7ea18000-7ea71000 Deferred shlwapi<elf>
\-PE 7ea30000-7ea71000 \ shlwapi
ELF 7ea71000-7ea8e000 Deferred imm32<elf>
\-PE 7ea80000-7ea8e000 \ imm32
ELF 7ea8e000-7eb4c000 Deferred comctl32<elf>
\-PE 7eaa0000-7eb4c000 \ comctl32
ELF 7eb4c000-7ebda000 Deferred winmm<elf>
\-PE 7eb60000-7ebda000 \ winmm
ELF 7ebda000-7ec01000 Deferred msvfw32<elf>
\-PE 7ebe0000-7ec01000 \ msvfw32
ELF 7ec01000-7ec36000 Deferred winspool<elf>
\-PE 7ec10000-7ec36000 \ winspool
ELF 7ec36000-7ec4a000 Deferred lz32<elf>
\-PE 7ec40000-7ec4a000 \ lz32
ELF 7ec4a000-7ec64000 Deferred version<elf>
\-PE 7ec50000-7ec64000 \ version
ELF 7ec64000-7ecff000 Deferred gdi32<elf>
\-PE 7ec80000-7ecff000 \ gdi32
ELF 7ecff000-7ee3d000 Deferred user32<elf>
\-PE 7ed20000-7ee3d000 \ user32
ELF 7ee3d000-7ee86000 Deferred advapi32<elf>
\-PE 7ee50000-7ee86000 \ advapi32
ELF 7efa5000-7efb0000 Deferred libnss_files.so.2
ELF 7efb0000-7efc8000 Deferred libnsl.so.1
ELF 7efc8000-7efed000 Deferred libm.so.6
ELF 7efed000-7eff7000 Deferred libnss_nis.so.2
ELF 7eff7000-7f000000 Deferred libnss_compat.so.2
ELF b7cb4000-b7cb8000 Deferred libdl.so.2
ELF b7cb8000-b7e02000 Deferred libc.so.6
ELF b7e02000-b7e1a000 Deferred libpthread.so.0
ELF b7e2d000-b7f41000 Deferred libwine.so.1
ELF b7f43000-b7f5f000 Deferred ld-linux.so.2
Threads:
process tid prio (all id:s are in hex)
00000018 (D) C:\Program Files\Transparent\Before You Know It 3.6\Lite\BYKI36WinLite.exe
0000001d 0
0000001c 0
0000001b 0
0000001a 0
00000019 0 <==
0000000a
0000000c 0
0000000b 0
00000008
00000009 0

[happyhamster]

When using native dll's, make sure you get the latest ones (at least appropriate for the chosen windows version). In this case, make sure you put winxp versions of riched20.dll and riched32.dll into the ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/system32 folder.

[saunders]

I'm having the same problem as rjmarshall...

I've managed to install the software using the dll's, and setting wine to winXP. The application refuses to start.

How do I make sure I've got the XP dll's?

Cheers

[happyhamster]

The ones that work for me: 5.30.23.1221 and 5.1.2600.0 for riched20 and 32 respectively (check the download page you used). Put those files in wine's system32 folder and start the program using:

WINEDLLOVERRIDES="riched20,riched32=n" wine BYKI36WinLite.exe

If it still doesn't work, start it like this*:

WINEDEBUG=-all,+loaddll WINEDLLOVERRIDES="riched20,riched32=n" wine BYKI36WinLite.exe

Which will allow you to check if the dll's are loaded natively or not.

I'm using wine 0.9.54 and Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon (no compiz-fusion).

edit: you'll have to navigate to the correct folder first of course, in my case:

cd "$HOME/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Transparent/Before You Know It 3.6/Lite"

[rjmarshall]

Well...it just is not working. I tried to uninstall and then reinstall it, and now it won't even install properly. It gets to the point where it's importing the lists and never comes back. I even tried removing wine (along with deleting .wine under my home directory) and reinstalling, but it still won't work.

Is there some way to be absolutely sure that I've completely removed all of BYKI as well as wine so that I can start with a "fresh" install?

Thanks,

Rob

[rjmarshall]

One more question...riched20.dll doesn't come with BYKI, and I'm not sure where it is that is "native". Where do you get the native version? The one under system32 says it's a "Wine fake DLL" when I run winedump against it.

Thanks again,

Rob

[rjmarshall]

Well...progress :) I found a riched20.dll that came with ies4linux (I tried installing ie6/ie7 and neither one works correctly...but that's another story), so I copied it to the BYKI folder and now it works. The only problem is that the display on the "recognize it" portion is missing some stuff in the pane on the top right (above where the scores are...can't remember what was there), and the font for the pinyin is not that good.

But it is working.

Thanks,

Rob

[happyhamster]

With "native" I meant "an original windows dll file". You'll usually have to get one from a windows pc, or download from one of several available sites.

Anyway, congrats on getting it to work. :)