Breezy + 1 = The Dapper Drake!

[UbuWu]

Mark Shuttleworth just announced the name of breezy+1 on the mailing lists:

In keeping with tradition, it's time to name the next+1 release of Ubuntu.

Ubuntu 6.04(ish) will be special, because as a community we are going to
commit to supporting it for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the
server. In Montreal (October 30-Nov 6, all hackers welcome, companies
send your developers, chip in and define it 'cos we all have to live
with it, details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero etc) we will
be figuring out what changes are needed to the release process to ensure
we can deliver on that commitment. We're likely to want to be a bit more
conservative in the feature goals, and freeze a little longer.

It's 6.04 that will be up against Windows Vista, so let's make it a
zinger and give folks a real choice.

The 6.04 release will be the culmination of 2 years hard work, with
Warty, Hoary and Breezy having set the style and the pace. We want it to
represent the fruit of that labour - it brings to a close this first
major cycle of development for Ubuntu. It will be a release that people
can plan for, participate in and build solutions on top of. It will get
even more polish than we put into Breezy, so we think it deserves a name
that reflects that polish.

And so, after much deliberation, it has been decided that 6.04 will be
known during development as:

The Dapper Drake

I'm sure the Ubuntu Artwork Team will have a field day ;-)

As usual, the "dapper" repository will be opened after the release of
Breezy. Till then, let's focus all of our energy on the upcoming release!

Mark

[seiflotfy]

that means the next release will be in 2 years :( ?????

[Knome_fan]

that means the next release will be in 2 years :( ?????

Don't worry, it doesn't
Ubuntu will continue to have new releases every 6 months.

Where did you get the idea about the 2 years anyway?

Edit:
And of course:
Yay for Dapper Drake! :grin:

[GeneralZod]

Don't worry, it doesn't
Ubuntu will continue to have new releases every 6 months.

Where did you get the idea about the 2 years anyway?

Edit:
And of course:
Yay for Dapper Drake! :grin:

I'm guessing this bit:



The 6.04 release will be the culmination of 2 years hard work



It's fairly easy to misinterpret this as "2 years from now"

:D

[Knome_fan]

I'm guessing this bit:



It's fairly easy to misinterpret this as "2 years from now"

:D
You're right, this could be it. :grin:

[kleeman]

Dapper Drake=Donald Duck's upscale cousin? :smile: :smile: :smile:

[Brunellus]

Finally something to unify the Ubuntu and Kubuntu factions!

Ubuntu Dapper Drake: A well-dressed waterfowl

Kubuntu Dapper Drake: Konqui, in white tie & tails

[panickedthumb]

except Konqui isn't a drake. Perhaps the kubuntu team could take konqui out of KDE and replace him with a drake! Now that's an idea.

I like the Dapper Drake name, perhaps better than any so far.

[Trojan1313]

That's it, I'm int he mailing list.
This is SO great news, nice to see that there really is a distro that aims to actully compete with Microsoft!
Viva Ubuntu! :D

[Brunellus]

except Konqui isn't a drake. Perhaps the kubuntu team could take konqui out of KDE and replace him with a drake! Now that's an idea.

I like the Dapper Drake name, perhaps better than any so far.
well, I mean, Drake is close enough to Dragon, right?

[lao_V]

well, I mean, Drake is close enough to Dragon, right?

HOW????????????? Drake is a duck!! :-)

[lao_V]

And here is a drapper drake (http://www.bearcreekgifts.com/images/BearCreek/pages/a-dapper-drake_jpg.htm) :-)

[Brunellus]

HOW????????????? Drake is a duck!! :-)
phonetically. Go with it, man, go with it.

[lao_V]

phonetically. Go with it, man, go with it.

phonetically, dapper is more close to diaper :-)

[Lovechild]

phonetically, dapper is more close to diaper :-)

Which confirms my opinion that Ubuntu is poo..

seriously, Breezy is a big let down for me, I hope Dapper will be better.. e.g. maybe they won't break palm syncing on purpose again by importing a development version of gnome-pilot which is known not to work.

[ubuntovec]

Breezy is a big let down for me

:???: a little bit too soon to say that, dont u think?

[lao_V]

:???: a little bit too soon to say that, dont u think?

I agree. I know there's not gonna be many new features in the final release after this point but I hate it when everyone assumes betas to be the final release and expect everything to still work 100%.

[Lovechild]

:???: a little bit too soon to say that, dont u think?

I've been using it since day one, all in all Breezy feels much less stable than Hoary and the progress in terms of features, all the really interested me in Breezy was Mono, Beagle and MonoDevelop - all of which work just fine.

it's not a bad distro, it's just not all it could have been - I have high hopes for Dapper though, bugs will be filed.. trust me.

[void_false]

Gr8 news! Exelent reason to drink something. :-P

[panickedthumb]

Which confirms my opinion that Ubuntu is poo..

seriously, Breezy is a big let down for me, I hope Dapper will be better.. e.g. maybe they won't break palm syncing on purpose again by importing a development version of gnome-pilot which is known not to work.
<ot>It always baffles me that people who hate ubuntu are still active members here. I don't want you to leave or anything, I like your posts, and I like the fact that theres someone here from other camps (you're a fedora guy right?) to keep us straight and remind us of things that we're mising, etc, but I'm just curious as to what about the community keeps you around? I know we're a rockin' community and all!</ot>

But yeah, as ubuntovec said, don't judge a distro by its pre-releases.

[Lovechild]

I agree. I know there's not gonna be many new features in the final release after this point but I hate it when everyone assumes betas to be the final release and expect everything to still work 100%.

I was literally shocked when they upgraded gnome-pilot to the _known_ broken release, just before the RC release of breezy.. that was just a big let down in terms of testing, it made me promptly wipe Breezy off my drive in shame.

[Knome_fan]

I was literally shocked when they upgraded gnome-pilot to the _known_ broken release, just before the RC release of breezy.. that was just a big let down in terms of testing, it made me promptly wipe Breezy off my drive in shame.

Jesus, it's a prerelease.
If the devs do a dumb thing, file a bug.

[ubuntovec]

all in all Breezy feels much less stable than Hoary

hoary is a stable, breezy is still a preview release. there is almost a month left to get rid of the bugs. (breezy is, nevertheless, very stable on my computer9

[lao_V]

I think we're moving away from the topic. Anyone else got anything to say regarding the wonderful-to-be Dapper Drake? :-) Anything it reminds you of? Do you think it will increase Linux's desktop market share?

[Lovechild]

Jesus, it's a prerelease.
If the devs do a dumb thing, file a bug.

I'll let you in on a secret, the plan is to start testing Breezy/Dapper in a xen environment - thus I needed to do this to get a working environment from which to start. (please note Fedora did the same stupid thing for FC4.. and they still haven't fixed it.. that's even worse given that the bug was filed ages ago)

[jdodson]

Don't judge a distro until it has been officially released.

Oh, and to get back on topic..... When I first read the email from Mark, I thought, The Dapper Drake, what a stupid name. Then I thought about it, and I like it. Dragons are cool right? I come from a RPG playing background so Dragon was the first thing I thought of. Check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake

Anyways, rock on, even if they mean Duck, which is fine, it will always be Dragon to me:) The Dapper Drake, (insert napoleon dynamite)sweet(end napoleon dynamite)!

Oh and for the record, Hoary is cool(I use it at work and home), but I had less issues with Warty. Then again I did not do quite as much with Warty so that might be why. And, I could sync my palm in Breezy off the liveCD and it did not work in Hoary(I got it to work with some hacking) out of the box, so not sure whats up with your palm, but mine worked.

[xmastree]

I think we're moving away from the topic. Anyone else got anything to say regarding the wonderful-to-be Dapper Drake? :-) Breaking tradition a little. The others all end in 'y'. This one is supposed to appear polished, so why isn't it shiny something?
Is there an animal (besides a shrew) beginning with sh?

[sinbad782]

I ask you...

What was wrong with Randy Rhino?

[escuchamezz]

hopefully they will use kde in this release...

[Trojan1313]

hopefully they will use kde in this release...
Hopefully KDE will stay in Kubuntu and keep away from Ubuntu.

[jdodson]

hopefully they will use kde in this release...

Ubuntu has KUbuntu, and Ubuntu also has KDE in universe. They have had KDE since Warty(I know I used it some).

[f76]

Breaking tradition a little. The others all end in 'y'. This one is supposed to appear polished, so why isn't it shiny something?
Is there an animal (besides a shrew) beginning with sh?

Yeah, how about (look at my) shiny sh-nake.
shiny sh-nake

[Knome_fan]

Ubuntu has KUbuntu, and Ubuntu also has KDE in universe. They have had KDE since Warty(I know I used it some).

KDE is in main. Other than that, you are absolutely right.

[xequence]

Yay! I am looking forward to it =)

Though we do not need to compete with vista in the ammount of DRM crammed in. They can win that one ;)

Dapper Drake is a little odd, but so is warty warthog, hoary hedgehog, and breezy badger. I dont dislike it, noone is going to confuse it with anyother name ;) It just reminds me of KDE. I have no idea what a drake is, but it sounds like a dragon =O

Anyway, yay =D

hopefully they will use kde in this release...

Hopefully they dont. If ubuntu came with KDE as default id switch distros e.e Anyway, Kubuntu is for you KDEers =O

ANd wernt you the one saying "Great job gates and ballmer, another great windows version, like always"? You have the exact opposite opinion as me on two things now =O

[gflores]

Why does it say Dapper Drake will be the one that will compete against Vista? Isn't Vista going to be released Q4 2006 at the earliest? By then, there'll be Ubuntu 6.10, right?

P.S. Am I the only one that doesn't like the name?

[BoyOfDestiny]

Why does it say Dapper Drake will be the one that will compete against Vista? Isn't Vista going to be released Q4 2006 at the earliest? By then, there'll be Ubuntu 6.10, right?

P.S. Am I the only one that doesn't like the name?

Yeah I'd have to agree with the name thing...
Reminds me of mandrake (now mandriva)...

Not sure what I'd call it... but maybe it would be better to be consistent...
Choose some african word that has a related meaning.

Barring that... I guess instead of Breezy+1, how about Breezy++ ?

:)

[a-nubi-s]

I want to like the new name but it's not working for me. Too close to diaper and Man-drake. I'll just call it six o' four. Sounds much better to me.

[a-nubi-s]

Of course Hoary and Warty didn't really sound great either! So far Breezy Badger is the best name IMO.

[drizek]

ya, dapper+1 is the one that will be going up against vista AFAIK. but its always good to be 6 months ahead of the competition ;)

[occy8]

I want to like the new name but it's not working for me. Too close to diaper and Man-drake. I'll just call it six o' four. Sounds much better to me.

My first thought was Man-drake too.
Now it's the choice of a multiheaded beast or a sitting duck. I go with the beast...
If you look at the far eastern mythology Dragons are a powerful almost goldlike creature and friend of humans.

[phibxr]

I really hope that they mean the old english word for dragon and not duck in this case. :-|

[endy]

I like it, even if it is a duck, ducks are still cool :)

I'm thinking of an old English gentleman type figure with a top hat and tails, a monocle and a cane, perhaps in his study next to the fireplace with a glass of brandy reading a broadsheet newspaper :)

The Dapper Drake... I kinda like that.

[Kapre]

...If you look at the far eastern mythology Dragons are a powerful almost goldlike creature and friend of humans.

I think this is the reason why the name sticks to it because of the "human" part of it (ubuntu being..humanity to others).

Draper Drake..Six O Four...or whatever name they would choose for it...as long as it is Linux and as long as it will be supported and there will be less bugs...I'm for it.

K

[xmastree]

Of course Hoary and Warty didn't really sound great either! So far Breezy Badger is the best name IMO.Yeah, I remember saying that they sound like kids games or something. Warty was the first, warts and all. Whory was the second... Breezy seems to be a breeze to install, so for me that name is better.

And what's all this about a drake being a european dragon? I european, and I've only heard it used do describs a male duck.

[Deeze]

hopefully they will use kde in this release...

Lets see, since Ubuntu is based on making a polished, Gnome desktop, and sets their release dates around the Gnome release dates, thereby being a totally Gnome-centric distro, my magic 8-ball says "Outlook not so good.". I like Ubuntu specifically because it does NOT use KDE. Were it to be a KDE based distro, I would ignore it as I do the other KDE based distros.

I know the animal name stuff is pretty set in stone, but I think it would be nice to simply have a numerical system for the versions. I think if you associate the name with an animal, it's good to keep it the same, because people associate that with a mascot, and this bothers me that that is not the case here (not to mention the name of the current release.. no offense, but Hoary Hedgehog?.. that's just horrid). Maybe make it coincide with the Gnome version it's based on (yeah, it's just an idea, and likely a junky one at that).

Hmmm, Ubuntu 2.12...

[xmastree]

I'm thinking of an old English gentleman type figure with a top hat and tails, a monocle and a cane,You mean chris Eubank? Except he's not that old yet...

[agger]

I know the animal name stuff is pretty set in stone, but I think it would be nice to simply have a numerical system for the versions. I think if you associate the name with an animal, it's good to keep it the same, because people associate that with a mascot, and this bothers me that that is not the case here (not to mention the name of the current release.. no offense, but Hoary Hedgehog?.. that's just horrid). Maybe make it coincide with the Gnome version it's based on (yeah, it's just an idea, and likely a junky one at that).

Hmmm, Ubuntu 2.12...

But there is a numerical system: Hoary is 5.04, Breezy is 5.10,
Daffy Duck ... sorry, Dapper Drake will be 6.04.

My ShipIt CDs say "5.04", not "Hoary", so it seems the animals are more like nicknames, with the version numbers giving the actual & official name.

That being said, I kinda like the animal system; and THAT being said, I wonder if the six months between releases is too short time: Even though there's three years' support many would like to have the "latest and greates", and six months is too often for them to reinstall their operating system?

[matthew]

My ShipIt CDs say "5.04", not "Hoary", so it seems the animals are more like nicknames, with the version numbers giving the actual & official name.

That being said, I kinda like the animal system; and THAT being said, I wonder if the six months between releases is too short time: Even though there's three years' support many would like to have the "latest and greates", and six months is too often for them to reinstall their operating system?
You are right on the naming thing. The cute nicknames are just for fun and the "official" name is Ubuntu x.xx as in year.month of release.

I believe the reason for extending the support time to 3 years is because of a desire to make Ubuntu practical for the business desktop and server world as well where the OS can be installed and only receive security updates for a long period of time without needing the functionality or eye candy of full version upgrades/updates. The six months schedule, however, is to make the latest software (or nearly) available for those who desire it in a stablized package more frequently.

[darkmatter]

HOW????????????? Drake is a duck!! :-)

If you study mythology, it's also a creature of a draconic nature. ;-)

[gord]

ducks are pritty awsome, allthough drake is allways gonna meen dragon to me. maybe a dragon that quacked would work? definatly a good name. now i want to know what the releace after that is gonna be called, more fun than a bucket of hamsters these names are :)

[Trojan1313]

I want to like the new name but it's not working for me. Too close to diaper and Man-drake. I'll just call it six o' four. Sounds much better to me.
I always say Ubuntu 5.04 (Ubuntu five point o four). :)
I like both names though. :)

btw, why is Breezy just goin' 0.06 version numbers?

EDIT: Corrected my horrible math. :P (5.10 - 5.04 != 0.96)

[weeguy]

IIRC, Mac OSX Leopard (intel based) should be released in June '06 also. It'll be an interesting year for OSes. :)

[drummer]

IIRC, Mac OSX Leopard (intel based) should be released in June '06 also. It'll be an interesting year for OSes. :)
AFAIK, apple are moving to intel/i386 technology for their chips, but the OS will still be very tightly wrapped in with their hardware and not able to install on regular i386 hardware. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the plan from what I've read.

[lao_V]

AFAIK, apple are moving to intel/i386 technology for their chips, but the OS will still be very tightly wrapped in with their hardware and not able to install on regular i386 hardware. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the plan from what I've read.

That's what I've read/heard too. Here's an article (http://uk.builder.com/programming/unix/0,39026612,39259839,00.htm)

[manicka]

Dapper Drake.... I like it :D

I think most of us will be referring to it as Dapper, like we currenlty talk about Breezy and Hoary. The Drake part will probably be insignificant.

[TabletGuy]

Hi all

In the 6.04 Dapper Drake annoucement Mark S kicked the ball off in the Ubuntu vs Vista debates.

If I was an Ubuntu developer looking to seriously take on Vista in the desktop stakes I would be looking at two main areas:
1. Digital Cameras
2. Digital video

I think these two are the two biggest areas for the home desktop with ubuntu doesn't do well at present. After all the biggest uses for home pcs are:
1. MP3s - but that's taken care of with many options in Linuxland
2. Office documents - Open Office v2
3. Email - Thunderbird

which leaves photo and video. Soccer moms and grandmas love the way in which they can plug their camera into windows and up pops a little wizard to help transfer the files. People can easily preview and print images or email them to friends. Its a sure bet that Vista is going to make digital video just as easy.

Given that the eariler Ubuntu releases have taken care of most of the hardware issues I think that the the secret to taking on windows will be photos and video.

[krusbjorn]

which leaves photo and video. Soccer moms and grandmas love the way in which they can plug their camera into windows and up pops a little wizard to help transfer the files. People can easily preview and print images or email them to friends. Its a sure bet that Vista is going to make digital video just as easy.

I have used 3 different digital cameras (an Olympus, a Sony Powershot and one i dont remember) with my computer. As soon as i plug any of them in, there is a "little wizard" that pops up and says "Import fotos?". Works pretty well :)

[Deeze]

But there is a numerical system: Hoary is 5.04, Breezy is 5.10,
Daffy Duck ... sorry, Dapper Drake will be 6.04.

My ShipIt CDs say "5.04", not "Hoary", so it seems the animals are more like nicknames, with the version numbers giving the actual & official name.

That being said, I kinda like the animal system; and THAT being said, I wonder if the six months between releases is too short time: Even though there's three years' support many would like to have the "latest and greates", and six months is too often for them to reinstall their operating system?

Yes, I'm aware of that one, and it works too, except that some people won't understand the connection to release date, and will wonder what the big deal is about what they see, numerically, as an incremental update... 5.04 to 5.10 being a .6 difference, when most associate a major release with the major number in the version changing (witness a post in this very thread for evidence). I also understand that using the Gnome version would be a similar situation as they have made very large changes in the last 2 releases, and had very minor version increments. I don't know what the answer to my mind's dillemna is.. I'm just being gabby :).

[Trojan1313]

Yes, I'm aware of that one, and it works too, except that some people won't understand the connection to release date, and will wonder what the big deal is about what they see, numerically, as an incremental update... 5.04 to 5.10 being a .6 difference, when most associate a major release with the major number in the version changing (witness a post in this very thread for evidence). I also understand that using the Gnome version would be a similar situation as they have made very large changes in the last 2 releases, and had very minor version increments. I don't know what the answer to my mind's dillemna is.. I'm just being gabby :).
It's not even .6, it's .06. :)

[Kyral]

Hi all

In the 6.04 Dapper Drake annoucement Mark S kicked the ball off in the Ubuntu vs Vista debates.

If I was an Ubuntu developer looking to seriously take on Vista in the desktop stakes I would be looking at two main areas:
1. Digital Cameras
2. Digital video

I think these two are the two biggest areas for the home desktop with ubuntu doesn't do well at present. After all the biggest uses for home pcs are:
1. MP3s - but that's taken care of with many options in Linuxland
2. Office documents - Open Office v2
3. Email - Thunderbird

which leaves photo and video. Soccer moms and grandmas love the way in which they can plug their camera into windows and up pops a little wizard to help transfer the files. People can easily preview and print images or email them to friends. Its a sure bet that Vista is going to make digital video just as easy.

Given that the eariler Ubuntu releases have taken care of most of the hardware issues I think that the the secret to taking on windows will be photos and video.

I dunno about you, but gphoto does that very nicely with my Canon Powershot. Hell it even pulls pics and vids in the same move :D

That aside, Mark's email got me really charged up for Drake. Its really great that he is still very commited and charged up about this project. I'll prolly start running it within' a month of the repos opening so I can submit bug reports and try to fix stuff. AFAIK, the next 6 months will see a lot of good stuff, like X going fully modular, the next release of GNOME, and the Xen project (I had to plug it 'cause some of the guys who are working on it go to my school :D)

[matthew]

I may have missed it, but I haven't seen anyone note the progression in quality implied by each new release's adjective.

Warty --> Hoary --> Breezy --> Dapper

They go from (in implication) ugly to unattractive to smooth to handsome.

[kleeman]

Yeah I had noticed that as well. Deliberate I'm sure....

[escuchamezz]

Warty --> Hoary --> Breezy --> Dapper --> Tom Cruise?

[manicka]

Warty --> Hoary --> Breezy --> Dapper --> Tom Cruise?
You're going in the wrong direction ;)

[matthew]

I was thinking more along the lines of Warty --> Hoary --> Breezy --> Dapper --> Magnificent Matthew

:razz:

[poofyhairguy]

Since this will be the big "official" release, I hope that Dapper+1 will finally have a new style. That the brown will be traded for the cool dark brown we see in the Breezy usplash.

When I booted into Breezy for the first time and I swore I was in Hoary (except for the fonts) I realized that its less like each release is a major release of the OS, and more like each release is small branches on the way to a major OS release every two years or so. We just get to peek in the whole time.

Thats why the themes, and boot splashes, and noises, and boot noise and whatever "style" Ubuntu has now will stay the same through Dapper probably (sorry those that think the brown will go away soon).

Since Dapper is that big first release, I hope that after the duck we can get a new desktop!

[tvelocity]

I was thinking more along the lines of Warty --> Hoary --> Breezy --> Dapper --> Magnificent Matthew

:razz:
Hm... Mighty Max? .....

[kleeman]

I was thinking more along the lines of Warty --> Hoary --> Breezy --> Dapper --> Magnificent Matthew

:razz:

Some proof of that wild assertion? :) :) :)

[matthew]

Some proof of that wild assertion? :) :) :)
And it is truly a wild one! :) :) :)

[Deeze]

It's not even .6, it's .06. :)

You are quite correct, thanks :). I must have been half asleep at the keyboard.

[Lovechild]

Okay, I'm counting the days till the repo is opened so I can point my apt to breakage.

[xmastree]

Hm... Mighty Max? .....ITYM Mad Max!

Then we could have Mad Max III, beyond the repodome!

[Goober]

Awesome. I can't wait. Thanks Mark and Canonical and all others who contribute to Ubuntu, you do a great job, keep up the good work! :D

[kanem]

Since this will be the big "official" release, I hope that Dapper+1 will finally have a new style. That the brown will be traded for the cool dark brown we see in the Breezy usplash.

When I booted into Breezy for the first time and I swore I was in Hoary (except for the fonts) I realized that its less like each release is a major release of the OS, and more like each release is small branches on the way to a major OS release every two years or so. We just get to peek in the whole time.
There's still hope for Breezy. The release schedule (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule) says the artwork deadline isn't till the 29th.

[benplaut]

boy, oh boy... the artwork designers are going to f*ing go to town with this one...

[Lovechild]

nah, it'll probably still be the color of poo

[Spoofhound]

Warty --> Hoary --> Breezy --> Dapper --> Tom Cruise?
Nah, its gotta have some style..

Warty --> Hoary --> Breezy --> Dapper --> Suave --> Sophisticated --> Drop Dead Gorgeous

[Lovechild]

Nah, its gotta have some style..

Warty --> Hoary --> Breezy --> Dapper --> Suave --> Sophisticated --> Drop Dead Gorgeous

But how can Mark then go on Oprah to jump on the sofa screaming how in love he is with Ubuntu??

[benplaut]

Nah, its gotta have some style..

Warty --> Hoary --> Breezy --> Dapper --> Suave --> Sophisticated --> Drop Dead Gorgeous

heh... with enough tweaking, you can get the Drop Dead Gorgeous to go parallel to Breezy... with a small line connecting them :wink:

[SKLP]

I think the new name sounds nice ;-)

[manicka]

nah, it'll probably still be the color of poo

Long live the poo ;-)

[mstlyevil]

I got a great name for 6.04. Vista Not.

[seiflotfy]

Breezy + 2 = Speedy Gonzales !!!!
Breezy + 3 = Pepe LePew !!! :)

[Lovechild]

Breezy + 2 = Speedy Gonzales !!!!
Breezy + 3 = Pepe LePew !!! :)

I can just see the lawyers writing up their list of demands if we do that.

[seiflotfy]

I can just see the lawyers writing up their list of demands if we do that.

oops than speedy lepew

[seiflotfy]

u know what woudl be hilarious!!!
ubuntu winnie poo