Why Bill Gates don't give crud if windows dies out

[nowshining]

He already has his riches and so do many others, so in reality they don't care in the end if windows loses or not, as like already stated him/they are already billionaires.

Do u agree?

[kamaboko]

Uh...no, I disagree. Do you think he'd want to see thousands of MS employees looking for new jobs, not to mention the thousands, if not millions, of other people that work in some capacity along with MS?

This is typical of a post that really brings this community down. It's so pointless, baseless, and serves absolutely no purpose.

[SomeGuyDude]

Bill Gates, despite what people say, is not some satanic overlord who rubs his hands together and laughs at the prospect of making a buggy OS that makes life hard for its users.

At heart he's a computer nerd who wants to make a great product for the most number of people.

[shad0w_walker]

If he wants to make a great product what the hell is the deal with Vista? Or is his sense of great just horridly warped?

[sloggerkhan]

I sorta think he has to care because I bet a lot of his money is still tied to MS stock.
Doubt there's much else to it, though.

[nowshining]

sloggerkhan & shad0w_walker some good points there. :)

[~LoKe]

Just like Linus Torvalds doesn't care if linux dies out, right? :confused:

[snakeeyes]

Bill Gates created Microsoft and Windows as well in some ways. Do u think he would like to see his operating system and empire fall? You must be crazy to think that he doesn't care, the reason Microsoft is on top of all other commercial OS's out there is cause they care.

I don't use Windows any more, but when I did use Vista I never so any problems with it, I switched caused Beryl was amazing when I saw it.

[-grubby]

Also, it should be pointed out that he retires next year

[SomeGuyDude]

If he wants to make a great product what the hell is the deal with Vista? Or is his sense of great just horridly warped?

I prefer Vista over XP. End of story. Maybe from a developer standpoint it's a nightmare, but as an end user it was the best Windows experience I had since the 3.1->95 changeover.

[snakeeyes]

I prefer Vista over XP. End of story. Maybe from a developer standpoint it's a nightmare, but as an end user it was the best Windows experience I had since the 3.1->95 changeover.
I agree. Vista is probably the best Windows release ever.

[SomeGuyDude]

I agree. Vista is probably the best Windows release ever.

People need to keep in mind that Windows has the hardest job of any OS: work for EVERYONE on ANY hardware that MS doesn't control. Apple doesn't have to worry about anything because you can only get OSX on an Apple-brand PC and with Linux if something doesn't work you can always try something else. Windows has to be able to run on any hardware configuration.

Additionally, from an interface standpoint refer to the "what if every Linux distro collaborated" thing. That's what Windows has to do. While there can be Linux flavors for people who want this environment or that, this level of CLI versus GUI or that level, Windows has to be idiot proof and usable for everyone and that's just a nightmare.

It's not perfect, and it's not for me, but people need to keep a lot in mind when they rip into it.

[p_quarles]

I have no idea how to vote on this.

Look:
A) Bill Gates no longer runs Microsoft. He does, however, have a very large stake in it, and his philanthropic operations rely upon that stake maintaining its value.

B) It doesn't matter what the person currently running Microsoft (Steve Ballmer, atm) thinks: if he/she doesn't care about the future of Windows, he/she will be immediately and deservedly fired by the shareholders.

C) What does Gates' caring about Windows' future have to do with Windows' future?

[snakeeyes]

I have no idea how to vote on this.

Look:
A) Bill Gates no longer runs Microsoft. He does, however, have a very large stake in it, and his philanthropic operations rely upon that stake maintaining its value.

B) It doesn't matter what the person currently running Microsoft (Steve Ballmer, atm) thinks: if he/she doesn't care about the future of Windows, he/she will be immediately and deservedly fired by the shareholders.

C) What does Gates' caring about Windows' future have to do with Windows' future?
1. Even though he doesn't run it, its success still remains his main source of income and he created Windows, he would never want it to fall.
2. I agree, if he doesn't care about the future, he will be fired.
3. I think its still him caring for the product that majority of the users still prefer it, think about it, if the creator and founder of Microsoft and Windows doesn't care about Windows anymore imagine how it could destroy Windows future.

[dlegend]

A) Bill Gates no longer runs Microsoft. He does, however, have a very large stake in it, and his philanthropic operations rely upon that stake maintaining its value.

B) It doesn't matter what the person currently running Microsoft (Steve Ballmer, atm) thinks: if he/she doesn't care about the future of Windows, he/she will be immediately and deservedly fired by the shareholders.


I agree on these two points. Also I'd like to add, Vista is a nice OS if you don't factor in the punishing hardware requirements. Adding full backwards compatibility is partly to blame but you do also have to blame the poor time-management of creating the OS as well.

I think they felt forced to release it quickly despite its shortcomings and it at least satisfies some kind of user-base (not sure on the exact numbers). DirectX10 is a pretty big improvement for gamers and will probably be more dominant in the future.

I do think Vista isn't nearly as good as it could have been, but I believe their next OS release will be way better then Vista in terms of speed and hopefully the way the interaction with the user works.

Many people complain Vista makes it harder to do things -- I think they will make this right in their next OS.

[hardyn]

Bill Gates, despite what people say, is not some satanic overlord who rubs his hands together and laughs at the prospect of making a buggy OS that makes life hard for its users.

At heart he's a computer nerd who wants to make a great product for the most number of people.


Totally agree, as computing community it would be nice if we could adopt a live and let live mentality, each OS has its place; i would not card-blanche say that linux or windows is better, each has its merits.

I do not agree with offensive legal tactics or patent hoarding, but that probably been a post of days past and does not need to be revisited.

[toupeiro]

Honestly?

Bill Gates opinion is irrelevant, and so are his technical contributions to what windows was when he had a say in its development, before he handed it over to Steve Balmer. Windows is a machine with thousands of in house developers who specialize on different facets of it. Its not a situation where Bill says "I want windows to do this" and it does. There are several dynamics that keep windows development in motion. Almost every one of them is dollar centric. The reason vista is hurting is that not enough of those dynamics were performance inspired or oriented with customer feedback first and foremost. This is the benefit Linux and Open Source software has over Microsoft. The DIRECT correlation between user and developer. Many times, they are one in the same with Open Source. Microsoft has to answer to its sponsors who cut them fat checks to make the OS do certain things, and they will sacrifice our functionality for that. I do believe that it will get better though. As I've mentioned before, those who remember going from 3.11 to 95 remember what Microsoft's first generation anything feels like: a train wreck!

Bill started by packing a really tight snowball and rolled it downhill. The rest is avalanche insurance. :)


Despite the irrelevance, I bet Bill uses XP...

[BreathEasy]

I voted Maybe.

If Windows dies out (which it won't, but this is a hypothetical), Microsoft will go on. They've followed the primary rule of business - diverge or die, and so they're in many sectors of business now, from consoles to games development to music (sorta) to regular software creation to hardware, etc.

I say maybe because Windows is what made Microsoft and Bill Gates. I imagine it would be emotional for someone to see what made their legacy die, but then again, you move on.

[shadylookin]

that argument doesn't make much sense considering the fact that several FOSS developers care about their product even though they will never in a million years see so much as a nickle from all their hard work.

Bill Gates has been a billionaire for quite some time if he didn't care I doubt he would still have a hand in anything MS did. Besides I doubt anyone likes seeing their legacy go up in smoke even if he will never hurt monetarily ever

[nowshining]

I see some good points and agreeable ones, but the reason I said so on Bill Gates is well because even tho he DOES NOT run Microsoft and at top he still gets referred to by hate, also by others I meant his older team -

By the way u think MS doesn't control hardware - yes yes they do also software.

Example: Very few vendors are featuring other OS, however MS is still getting advertised by the merchents - hence control - (can be mental)

Software/web: since vistas release I've seen website re-deisgn themselves to make themselves look like vista on the web, and so forth.

Whether Vista loses and Microsoft goes back to XP MS still wins - it cancels itself out.

Bill Gates getting fired - actually he is getting more and more kicked out of the business if u see the patterns and read, understand that Bill Gates in MS eyes is a small, small person in the MS industry.

Well Also again I never mentioned Windows specifically....

But then again now it's coming in the end to where we see what Linux, FOSS is really about and whether it can reject the pressure of what it went against or not, or is Linux not what it says and a lier, is FOSS true or a lier.

In the end those who stand by either until the end to what Linux and FOSS started out with being for software freedom, etc.. are the true ones.

Yes, Yes even Linus in the Linux/FOSS community eyes is becoming a small, small person in the eyes of the Industry and getting kicked out slowly just as Bill Gates..