Tell me how ETQW is running on your system please

[JurB]

Hi there,
So, i've just bought a new system, Intel Core 2 Q6600 2.4GHZ 3Gig RAM 8600GS w/512MB.
Seeing as this would give me a better ;) gaming experience then my 6 y old DELL, i also bought ETQW to test it.
Now, i know ETQW hasn't got the "best" graphics around atm, so it should run/ fly on my system, right?
Great was my surprise when playing it in Vista: 15-30 fps, lag... bah!:mad:
Gutsy is slightly better, but not as it should be.:(

So, what's your set-up? and what's the performance?
TNX

[Arkainium]

Games are GPU intensive (usually) and your video card is not up for the task. It's most definitely causing a bottleneck in your otherwise high-end system. If you want to increase performance, you need to lower resolution and rendering quality or upgrade the video card.

[JurB]

Eh? a Nvidia Geforce 8600 GS 512RAM a bottleneck???:confused:

[william_nbg]

It seems to be running good on my system. Although I have the graphics turned down to 800x600 resolution; normal.

My graphics card is even older 6600 gs 256mb.

Don't know the command to show fps - tell me and I'll report back.:)

[Velociraptor]

It runs fast and smooth on my nvidia 6600gt 128Mb, at resolution 1280x1024 but on lowest graphics settings (e.g., no anti-aliasing). :)

[mellowd]

I gotta say, the 8600gs no matter what the ram size isn't a good card for gaming. it's got a huge bottleneck in it's 128-bit memory interface. I even struggled with the 8600gt and quickly got rid of it

[Tux0r]

Runs great for me. Should be quite obvious though XD

[Arkainium]

Eh? a Nvidia Geforce 8600 GS 512RAM a bottleneck???:confused:

I'm trying to find the specs on this card but I can't. Only for mobile versions. :confused:

Maybe you meant 8600 GTS? The 8600 GTS is not a bad card but compared to the 8800 line it's pretty crippled. Anyway, it doesn't matter because others are claiming decent performance with their 6600 GT. So unless you're trying to run at 1920x1200 at max settings, I'd say there's something wrong.

First try disabling the nonessential stuff, if they're not already disabled, like anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering, and vsync. All of those can be changed in nvidia-settings, but the game might have its own options for those settings too.

[BatPenguin]

Here's a great site for looking at graphics card performance:

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=778&model2=710&chart=275

Unfortunately it doesn't have the GS model but otherwise that's good for looking at what different cards can do in various games. From what I know, the GS is not a fast card, unfortunately, so I think that really is the bottleneck. You have made sure you have latest drivers installed, right?

IMHO, I think it's actually quite dishonest marketing to put the high numbers (8600...) on a card that's not that fast. I myself have the 7950GT and it's pretty fast. I'm actually getting rid of it because of other issues (heat..) and going for the new Geforce 8800GT but I found these different Nvidia numbers to be really confusing. Basically they can throw 8600 or even 8800 next to anything and what you need to look at is the letters behind it (GS, GTS, GT, Ultra...). Really difficult to figure out.

[JurB]

I'm trying to find the specs on this card but I can't. Only for mobile versions. :confused:

Maybe you meant 8600 GTS? The 8600 GTS is not a bad card but compared to the 8800 line it's pretty crippled. Anyway, it doesn't matter because others are claiming decent performance with their 6600 GT. So unless you're trying to run at 1920x1200 at max settings, I'd say there's something wrong.

I can't check it right now, i'm at work....
But, yeah the card shouldn't be the issue here.
The 1.2 linux client helped quite a bit, i was using the 1.1 before.
I found this (http://community.enemyterritory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8598&highlight=slow) thread at the ETQW forum, but it's all windows talk....

TNX all for the replies.

I'll get back to you with the exact card model specs.

[Arkainium]

I myself have the 7950GT and it's pretty fast. I'm actually getting rid of it because of other issues (heat..)

I'm rocking the same video card and with the stock cooling I was getting up to 55C/75C idle/load at room temp. I put an AC Accelero S1 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186016) on it and the temps dropped a whole 20C to 35C/55C idle/load at room temp. It's passive to boot! I jerry-rigged a low speed 120mm fan onto mine to keep the air circulating though, just in case. Amazing value for the price if you'd rather not upgrade yet. However, the 8800 GT is a pretty sweet card if you can find one in stock and for a decent price. Though I doubt it would solve your temp problems because the stock coolers are almost always never ideal. Sorry for going off topic. :oops:

[mellowd]

To be honest I really don't know why you crippled your system with such a video card. Everything else rocks instead of this part. A 7950 is way faster than a 8600gs and a 8600gt.

[Tux0r]

The latest nvidia drivers fixes 8*** performance

[BatPenguin]

Here's my guess: it's the Nvidia 8500 GT and not 8600 (couldn't find that either). See the chart I posted for why I think it's this - and the bottleneck. Let us know, getting curious now :)

[BatPenguin]

I'm rocking the same video card and with the stock cooling I was getting up to 55C/75C idle/load at room temp. I put an AC Accelero S1 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186016) on it and the temps dropped a whole 20C to 35C/55C idle/load at room temp. It's passive to boot! I jerry-rigged a low speed 120mm fan onto mine to keep the air circulating though, just in case.

Yeah, sorry for off-topic :) but I gotta ask more about this: very similar temps. Mine is actually 58 - 65 C idle and goes quick to 80 under load and up to 90C and past - I've had lockups in LOTRO because of heat, afraid to even run games now for long. It's the passively cooled 512 MB card and I'm using it in a HTPC case in my living room attached to my LCD TV (it's also my Myth frontend/backend) so noise is VERY important to me. The airflow unfortunately really sucks there so I was thinking I couldn't get it to decent temps anyway without replacing it with a fan-using card...but that cooler you mentioned sounds like it could do the trick. Would you mind telling me how you got it attached to the card , how much space it takes (I have an HTPC so don't know if it'd fit) and other issues...I'd be very interested in this. I ordered my 8800GT but I can still cancel, it's gonna take up to 4 weeks to get it...also, how did you get the fan attached to it? I have at least a few 80 mm fans lying around so I could try putting one on it. Would you mind explaining / posting pics or something?

And yeah, I said "pretty good" or something like that about its performance but sure, it flies :) Just disappointed with the heat issues but that's kinda my own fault, trying to buld a stealth HTPC with screaming performance (Quad Core) and no noise. Everything OK on the performance side but heat took me kinda by surprise.

If this is too much off-topic, just say...we can take this to private messages or another thread I guess.

[Arkainium]

I don't have a digital camera, so the best I can do is point you to the main site (http://www.arctic-cooling.com/vga2.php?idx=138) where you can find the measurements (http://www.arctic-cooling.com/downloads/compatibility/hgt_restr_aclros1.pdf).

You will need a fan, because it will still get hot under long periods of load. I used some zip ties between the fins of the heatsink and the holes for the fan screws to connect my fan. :lolflag:
They also sell a cooling kit, labeled Turbo Module, you might want to check out. It's also low profile and low noise.

Overall, I'm extremely happy with it.

[BatPenguin]

OK, thanks...this thing should fit my case, actually. Now all I need to do is find a store that'll either sell these to me here or ship here. Thanks! Looks like I might not have to trade this card after all.

Just ordered this and the turbo module. Thanks again :)

[houstonbofh]

For the record...
Core2Duo E6550 on a Gigabyte P35 MB with 2 gig of ram
nVidia 7950GT
1280x1024 (LCD Screen at max res) with all the options to max...

Butter smooth...

[mellowd]

For the record...
Core2Duo E6550 on a Gigabyte P35 MB with 2 gig of ram
nVidia 7950GT
1280x1024 (LCD Screen at max res) with all the options to max...

Butter smooth...

As previously posted though, a 7950GT kills the 8500 and 8600 in power

[JurB]

To be honest I really don't know why you crippled your system with such a video card. Everything else rocks instead of this part. A 7950 is way faster than a 8600gs and a 8600gt.

Well, i actually got this system preconfigured, not that much of a hardware connaiseur.
The card IS a 8600 GS, as identified by vista's hardware manager. I did manage to find some specs of the card, basically it's a crippled GT version intended only for low end pc's. Dunno why they put that kind of crap in with my other hardware....

As for ETQW i tweaked the setting a bit, and it's running much better now, but i was hoping for the full expereince.... so, WHO WANTS TO SUGGEST A NEW GRAPHICS CARD! :lolflag:

[mellowd]

Well, i actually got this system preconfigured, not that much of a hardware connaiseur.
The card IS a 8600 GS, as identified by vista's hardware manager. I did manage to find some specs of the card, basically it's a crippled GT version intended only for low end pc's. Dunno why they put that kind of crap in with my other hardware....

As for ETQW i tweaked the setting a bit, and it's running much better now, but i was hoping for the full expereince.... so, WHO WANTS TO SUGGEST A NEW GRAPHICS CARD! :lolflag:

If you are going to get a new one, I can't recommend the 8800GT enough. It's faster and cheaper than the8800GTS's and almost hits 8800GTX speed in a few games.

[badrunner]

Agree with the other posters. An 8600 just isn't a good gamers card, the 8800 flies with etqw though.

[road_rage]

I just wanted to pipe in as I have almost identical config,
Intel Dual Core 6550
2GB RAM
Super cheap and super lame GeForce 8600 GT- 256M
Dell-WFP2407
1920x1080

I have been running into an issue of being booted out of the game which seems to be due to my screensaver not being aware(Doh), but beyond that I have been running on "high" for graphic detail playing only computer so far and everything has been very acceptable.

Does anyone know if there is a switch for etqw which will add the frame rate avg. to my logs ?

--RR

glxinfo for those interested...

OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 2.1.1 NVIDIA 100.14.19

[JurB]

Your can show fps by dropping down the console (ctrl-alt-~) then typing "com_showFPS 1"

With some extra tweaks (see posted link) i can now get it to run acceptable in Vista, better then with the same tweaks in Gutsy.
I'm a bit dissapointed by the Nvidia drivers in linux, i always tought nvidia was the way to go in linux... but things like Compiz ran much smoother with my 6 year old ATI + ati restricted drivers then with this card and nvidia restricted drivers. Do you guys use the newest nvidia drivers? Is there a big performance boost compared to the old (via restricted drivers manager) ones? Tried to install them via Envy, but that hosed X.

A lot of people seem to have troubles running ETQW smoothly on high-end machines, so maybe i'll wait to get the 8800 GT. There seem to be a lot of different GT's made by different manufacturers, wich one is yours, mellowd?

road-rage: Do you use Compiz? If so you need to enable the "undirect fullscreen windows" option, detailed instructions can be found in one of the ETQW posts.

Tnx for all replies

[mellowd]

A lot of people seem to have troubles running ETQW smoothly on high-end machines, so maybe i'll wait to get the 8800 GT. There seem to be a lot of different GT's made by different manufacturers, wich one is yours, mellowd?



I've got an Inno3d 880GT. Stock. It's the first time ever that I bought a card on release. I just couldn't handle my 8600GTS. I mamaned to sell my 8600GTS for 80% of the price I paid for it because it only 2 months old so I was happy.

They can be quite difficult to find now. The one I bought has already gone up my £25!

You will be more than happy with any stock model. Don't bother going with special editions because you usually end up paying 30% more for 5% extra. The 8800GT is simply fast enough as it is.

[JurB]

Wich driver? and how did you install it?
Do you have ETQW btw? At what settings can you play? MAX?

lots of q's :popcorn:

Tnx for the fast reply!

[mellowd]

In linux I installed the latest beta driver but to be honest I play all my games in Windows still.

I run Bioshock at MAX quality 1680 X 1050 flawlessly. I also can run the demo of UT3 at the same. I'm getting the full game soon so will be able to test at max quality but I don't see a problem.

Have a look here for a ETQW benchmark:

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=703&p=4

[cameran]

my setup:

intel core2duo
2gb ram
nvidia 7950GT

i can run ETQW at 1280x1024 with all settings maxed and get incredible performance - i'm guessing 50-60fps at all times. the performance is no different than when i used to play the beta in windows.

awesome game!

anyone want to start a [LINUX] clan? :-)

cameran

[JurB]

Hmmm... the 8800 GT seems impossible to get atm :(
and the GTX costs 800 EUR :lolflag:

Why no [UBUNTU] clan? ;)

[mellowd]

Hmmm... the 8800 GT seems impossible to get atm :(
and the GTX costs 800 EUR :lolflag:

Why no [UBUNTU] clan? ;)

I'd wait for it. They really are that good.

[michaeel]

i have about 50-60fps @ 1280x1024 and all settings to max

ubuntu 7.10
latest nvidia driver (installed with envy)
ge-force 7950GT 512mb
intel E6700
2gb-ram (cl4)

[MepisReign]

It seems to be running good on my system. Although I have the graphics turned down to 800x600 resolution; normal.

My graphics card is even older 6600 gs 256mb.

Don't know the command to show fps - tell me and I'll report back.:)


Drop the console CTRL + ALT + ~
Type com_showFPS 1

There u go

Regards,

MepisReign

[houstonbofh]

so, WHO WANTS TO SUGGEST A NEW GRAPHICS CARD! :lolflag:
How about this guy? http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/06/best_graphics_card/ :)

For me, I chose the 7950gt because it is damn fast and not an 8 series card. The 8 series driver is still not as stable as the 7 series, and that makes a difference. All of the people I have see in QW:ET with stuttering have 8 series cards, or just slow old stuff... I am sure it will get better, but I wanted a fast card NOW. I have one, and it was a good price.

[mellowd]

How about this guy? http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/06/best_graphics_card/ :)

For me, I chose the 7950gt because it is damn fast and not an 8 series card. The 8 series driver is still not as stable as the 7 series, and that makes a difference. All of the people I have see in QW:ET with stuttering have 8 series cards, or just slow old stuff... I am sure it will get better, but I wanted a fast card NOW. I have one, and it was a good price.

There is nothing wrong whatsover with the 8 series drivers right now

[JurB]

This (http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=512-P3-N802-A1) is the 8800 GT i'll be playing with in a few days :)

[mellowd]

This (http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=512-P3-N802-A1) is the 8800 GT i'll be playing with in a few days :)

very very nice. evga is good

[JurB]

I hope so!

How did you install the driver for it, Envy?

[mellowd]

No. I'm not using my linux box for gaming yet. I installed mint the other day to have a look and just downloaded the latest beta driver and used their own script to install. Had no problems.

[mivo]

Got it today and was surprised at how well it runs. My box: E2140 (that is what I worried about), 3 GB RAM, 8800GTS/640 MB (bought before I knew of the 8800GT ;)), 64-bit Gutsy with the 32-bit libs. I can actually play with the settings on high in 1680x1050 with mostly around 30 fps. I went back to "normal" though because of some indoors fps issues on some maps (area 22). The video card really matters much more than the CPU.

I had an instance where the game didn't "really" close at exit and was sitting in the backround and using 100% of both CPUs, so when I started another game, it was really choppy. Took me half an hour to figure out what was wrong.

I truly suck at this game, but it's really quite fun. :)

Oh, and I'm using the restricted drivers, not the latest version from the Nvidia site. I also use the stock version of the kernel, didn't compile a low latency one.

[Alexander Heß]

Notebook:
- Intel C2D T7600, 2GiB, ATI FireGL V5250 (8.42.3)
- 1024x768, everything low
-> not pretty but very playable

Office:
- Intel C2D E6400, 2GiB, Nvidia GF7600GS (100.14.11)
- 1280x1024, everything high
-> very pretty and very smooth

[JurB]

Oh, and I'm using the restricted drivers, not the latest version from the Nvidia site. I also use the stock version of the kernel, didn't compile a low latency one.

Well, i installed the beta drivers yesterday and i must say that they made a huge difference for me. The game feels much smoother now: a bit more FPS, AND the stuttering is gone.
The low latency kernel didn't make a noticable difference.

[ViRMiN]

Runs great for me. Should be quite obvious though XD

Tux0r, just wondering what it's like for you on the on-board video!? Heheh!

[nille]

It's recommended to play ET:QW on a 1000Hz kernel with preemptive-settings. That is: if you install and boot the realtime-kernel in Gutsy (ends with -rt instead of -generic) you may boost your performance a little.

[ViRMiN]

I've installed the realtime kernel but, am unsure whether it's what I'm actually running as grub, and "uname" don't show anything different for me... is that the case for others?

[ViRMiN]

I'm referring to my 7.10 installation by the way, not my 8.04 development environment :)

[BoardDWorld]

On my Laptop(sig for specs) it's around 32fps on average. 1440x900, everything maxed except smooth foliage deselected, pixel shaders at medium, lighting at medium. It runs better than it did on Vista.:popcorn:

[JurB]

I've installed the realtime kernel but, am unsure whether it's what I'm actually running as grub, and "uname" don't show anything different for me... is that the case for others?
That kernel has an -rt extention added to it.
If you install a new kernel, it will be selected by default at boot.
I personally didn't notice a difference with it, so don't worry about it.

PS: does someone know what procedure i schould follow to change the graphic card?
reconfigure xorg.conf etc....

or should i just revert to the vesa driver, change cards, install Nvidia beta driver again?

Tnx

[soxs]

That kernel has an -rt extention added to it.
If you install a new kernel, it will be selected by default at boot.
I personally didn't notice a difference with it, so don't worry about it.

PS: does someone know what procedure i schould follow to change the graphic card?
reconfigure xorg.conf etc....

or should i just revert to the vesa driver, change cards, install Nvidia beta driver again?

Tnx
Depends if you swap vendors. If you stick with a the vendor and just upgrade the card.. there shouldn't be much of a problem unless the jump is to big, so you would have to change from legacy to new

ETQW:
ran fine on a phenom 9500 / 3870 Radeon at full settings with fglrx _below_ 8.7
from 8.7 on, it lags like hell or has serious rendering issues and screen corruption.