The 8800 GT .The best price/performance card ever !

[rajeev1204]

hi folks

Iam sure all of you have read about this great new card .

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/29/geforce_8800_gt/

http://www.nvidia.com

[IanW]

Unfortunately, the current Nvidia drivers for linux don't support the 8800GT.
Next version of the drivers is due "this week" (for an uncertain value of "this").

[rajeev1204]

Anyone here have this card?
Iam thinking of buying one.

[hikaricore]

I'm using the 8600GT and it's fantastic, I can't imagine the 8800GT would be a bad deal. ^_^

[sloggerkhan]

It sounds a bit expensive to me, but I tend to think that about any companent that's more than $150 odd dollars.

[rajeev1204]

I'm using the 8600GT and it's fantastic, I can't imagine the 8800GT would be a bad deal. ^_^

I have a 7600 GT and its similar in performance to your card but you get directx 10 support :). And yes its a great card indeed.

About the 8800 GT what they say is that it rivals even the top of the line 8800 gtx at a much lower price due to newer manufacturing techniques.

Hmm maybe in a few months ill get one of those :D

[aoanla]

I have an 8800GT, as of about a week ago.

It works fine with the current beta drivers from nVidia (169.04), and seems to be pretty performant and stable.

[TNakos]

Wow, technology just keeps getting better. I got a nvidia 6200 like 1 year ago and that was pretty good then (but the 6800 was all the rage then)

[houstonbofh]

I have a 7950GT. It works with the stock drivers in the repos. The 8800 still has some issues with the drivers in the repos, but it is getting better. However, driver stability was why I went with the 7950GT. Rock solid, and very fast. Keep in mind that Tom's benchmarks are on Windows. On linux a stable driver helps a lot. However, neither card would be a bad choice, and the driver problem will improve with time.

[mellowd]

*pats his 8800GT*

http://mellowd.co.uk/test2/images/old_pc.jpg

[NilsHG]

*pats his 8800

clean the fan! :lolflag:

[mellowd]

clean the fan! :lolflag:

It's been upgraded ;)

http://mellowd.co.uk/test2/index.php?m=11&y=07&entry=entry071129-171522

[NilsHG]

It's been upgraded ;)

http://mellowd.co.uk/test2/index.php?m=11&y=07&entry=entry071129-171522

even better :)
nice system!:popcorn:

[mellowd]

even better :)
nice system!:popcorn:

Thanks :D


By far the best thing in there is the 8800GT. I've never ever bought a video card on release date. I had a 8600GT that I upgraded from a 7600GT and was really unhappy with it. The day this got released I ordered it and had it 2 days later. This same card is now £30 more that what I paid for it because they are in such high demand :D

[Luksion Knight]

i got an 8600 in the mail. i cant wait especially because im stuck with integrated graphics right now

[matthewcraig]

Try the NVIDIA 6600GT. Better price, same performance on Linux systems. More well-tested drivers.

[mellowd]

6600 same performance as an 8800???

[matthewcraig]

>> 6600 same performance as an 8800???

Yes, Phoronix did a recent benchmark comparison of the different cards working under Linux desktop environments. The difference between the 6600GT and the 8800GT was tiny.

[mellowd]

>> 6600 same performance as an 8800???

Yes, Phoronix did a recent benchmark comparison of the different cards working under Linux desktop environments. The difference between the 6600GT and the 8800GT was tiny.

Which unfortunately is why I'm still running XP on my gaming machine. I just bought Crysis and was suprised to find myself able to run everything at high quality at 1280X1024. I know the card can handle it but my CPU and motherboard are both relatively old (My motherboard is still an nForce4)

[Colro]

Which unfortunately is why I'm still running XP on my gaming machine. I just bought Crysis and was suprised to find myself able to run everything at high quality at 1280X1024. I know the card can handle it but my CPU and motherboard are both relatively old (My motherboard is still an nForce4)

Yep, it's sad, really. People go around praising NVidia cards saying their *nix driver is good when it really isn't. It's just better then ATI's -- any NVidia card will work twice as good on a clean windows machine (note: not your average idiot "OMG WINDOWS IS SO SLOW" person who has more spyware than hair on their head).

[werewolfzx8]

I've heard a lot of complaints about the 8600GT, but I have one and love it, but then again I upgraded from integrated graphics.

Would I do better to grab the 8800, 6600, or stick with my 8600?

[Vadi]

I don't reason much in this graphics card business, but as I understand, nvidia's firmware is loaded right inside the kernel. So if it fcks up, nobody from linux can fix it, and people are stuck until nvidia takes a look?

[mellowd]

I've heard a lot of complaints about the 8600GT, but I have one and love it, but then again I upgraded from integrated graphics.

Would I do better to grab the 8800, 6600, or stick with my 8600?

It's all up to you but I had my 8600GTS for a whole 2 months. As soon as the 8800GT came out I sold my 8600GTS and got the 8800GT. I couldn't be happier, it's so much faster.

[werewolfzx8]

I was just wondering, does SLI work with *nix? I was thinking about getting two 8800GT's after New Years (Holiday Pay on 3 different days)

If not, I can save a bunch of money ^-^;;

[anjilslaire]

I've got a 6600GT 128mb and ir runs great for my needs,along with
Athlon XP 3200+
1Gig PC3200 Ram
NForce 2 mb

Outdated, I know, but I dont do much gaming on this box.

[matthewcraig]

Yep, it's sad, really. People go around praising NVidia cards saying their *nix driver is good when it really isn't. It's just better then ATI's -- any NVidia card will work twice as good on a clean windows machine (note: not your average idiot "OMG WINDOWS IS SO SLOW" person who has more spyware than hair on their head).

In some ways, you are comparing apples to oranges when you compare performance between OpenGL/SDL and DirectX. These two graphics APIs do different things. The 8800GT was specifically designed for DirectX10 (or whatever the latest MS fad is), so when you compare the 6600GT against the 8800GT with DirectX10 benchmarks, the 6600GT gets smoked. Yet, on Linux, we do not have DirectX10, and so you get the 8800GT and you are buying features for an operating system you don't use. No surprise that the 6600GT performs at the same quality level as the 8800GT in the Linux kernel.

Hey, at least you get to say you bought a $300 video card though, right? *rolls eyes* Tell your friends to buy a 6600GT, instead. They only cost $65 these days. The 6600GT will run all the 3D Linux games you can find, where the developers support the Linux platform. (Running unsupported Windows games in an emulated environment? I can't make any video card recommendations for you, because you're running programs in an environment neither NVIDIA nor the game designers support.)

[Artificial Intelligence]

Got a 8800 GTX, works right out of the box with the nvidia drivers that comes with Gutsy. I can even run compiz in the background while playing Quakewars on full details :guitar:

[JurB]

>> 6600 same performance as an 8800???

Yes, Phoronix did a recent benchmark comparison of the different cards working under Linux desktop environments. The difference between the 6600GT and the 8800GT was tiny.
Can you give us a link to that article? I can't find it.

[werewolfzx8]

Got a 8800 GTX, works right out of the box with the nvidia drivers that comes with Gutsy. I can even run compiz in the background while playing Quakewars on full details :guitar:

I can do this with my 8600GT, with no lag. This is why I'm unsure about "upgrading". Other people say they have problems with the 8600GT, but mine seems to be working great. I don't want to throw away $300 (or even $65, if what matthewcraig says is true) if I'm not going to get a noticeable difference in performance. :confused:

Can you give us a link to that article? I can't find it.



I can't seem to find the article either

[xtang]

I got the 8600 GTS and judging by people's reactions its as if it has the worst value of the lot.

It plays quake wars max detail 1360 x 768, thats all i care about, although my comp does have a quad core processor :). Im gonna stick with it for the time being.

[Vadi]

8600, but still, nearly the same thing.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=882&num=2

I'm shopping around for a better graphics-performing laptop and am somewhat torn at the moment on what to get :/

[mellowd]

8600, but still, nearly the same thing.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=882&num=2

I'm shopping around for a better graphics-performing laptop and am somewhat torn at the moment on what to get :/

Nearly the same thing? The 8800GT is more than 3 times faster than the 8600GTS

[mellowd]

In some ways, you are comparing apples to oranges when you compare performance between OpenGL/SDL and DirectX. These two graphics APIs do different things. The 8800GT was specifically designed for DirectX10 (or whatever the latest MS fad is), so when you compare the 6600GT against the 8800GT with DirectX10 benchmarks, the 6600GT gets smoked. Yet, on Linux, we do not have DirectX10, and so you get the 8800GT and you are buying features for an operating system you don't use. No surprise that the 6600GT performs at the same quality level as the 8800GT in the Linux kernel.

Hey, at least you get to say you bought a $300 video card though, right? *rolls eyes* Tell your friends to buy a 6600GT, instead. They only cost $65 these days. The 6600GT will run all the 3D Linux games you can find, where the developers support the Linux platform. (Running unsupported Windows games in an emulated environment? I can't make any video card recommendations for you, because you're running programs in an environment neither NVIDIA nor the game designers support.)

XP doesn't have DX10 either but the 8800GT accelerates opengl and dx9 and below so much faster as well.

[benwoodc0ck]

[QUOTE=mellowd;3951790]*pats his 8800GT*

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Offtopic: Hi mellowd, I notice you have a Corsiar VX450. My antec 450W PSU just died and I wondered if you thought the corsair would be a worthy replacement.

Ontopic: I want a 8800GT/HD3870, but I haven't upgraded my montior yet (15"!Hoping for a 24") so I don't really have any need, my X1950Pro is fine.

Surprised that a 6600 is as good as a 8800 in Linux.

This website has some bizarre smilies.:lolflag:

[mellowd]

Offtopic: Hi mellowd, I notice you have a Corsiar VX450. My antec 450W PSU just died and I wondered if you thought the corsair would be a worthy replacement.


It's a beauty. A little pricey but definately worth it. It runs everything of mine without a problem and it's super silent :)

[mellowd]

I really don't think the 6600 can match the 8800. Maybe the 8600 but the 8800 has so much more raw performance. I'd like to see a proper benchmark with a 6600 and an 8800, not an 8600.

[JurB]

8600, but still, nearly the same thing.

Eh...... Yeah....... Right......

[Vadi]

I don't reason much in this graphics card business

Clear logic said to me that if a 6000 card was nearly as good as an 8000 one, the difference between 8800 and 8600 shouldn't be big. But , like I said, I'm no expert :popcorn:.

[mellowd]

Clear logic said to me that if a 6000 card was nearly as good as an 8000 one, the difference between 8800 and 8600 shouldn't be big. But , like I said, I'm no expert :popcorn:.

It is huge

[mellowd]

Nvidia hasn't made it easy. Currently the 8800GT is faster than the 8800GTS 320MB and 640MB. They have now released a new 8800GTS which is faster than then 8800GT and faster than the old 8800GTS'

The new 8800GTS has 512MB of ram while the older slower ones have 320MB and 640MB. You would except a 640MB card with a 320bit bus to be faster than a card that has a 256bit bus with 512MB, but thats not the case. It's faster because it has faster and more shader units.

The 8800GT really should've been called the 8850GT and the new GTS should've been called the 8850GTS, but they chose not too.

This is why it's so difficult to someone who doesn't know what they are doing. They could pick up a 640MB 8800GTS thinking they getting the best but far from it.

The 8600GTS and below are on a whole new lower level. They don't compare near the 8800's

[Vadi]

Okay. So -the- card right now is the 8600GTS?

[mellowd]

No, the 8600 is terrible. The best right now is the 880GT

[jinx099]

OMG, whoever is claiming the 6600GT is as fast as the 8800GT based on that phronix article should be banned. The article compares the 6600GT to the 8600GT with WINDOWS benchmarks running in WINE.

You may argue that the 6600GT is as fast as the 8600GT for older DX8 games, and you might be right.

Someone please find a fair comparison. Maybe like comparing the 8800GT to to 8600GT and 6600GT for games like Quake4 running natively in Linux. Using that article for comparison is a joke, and I can't believe how many users here bought it.

And to add, I own a 7900GS and it runs UT2004 and Quake 4 in linux the same, or better than in Windows. Nvidia's drivers are not open-source, but they are still pretty damn good, and certainly good enough for gaming.

[Vadi]

The best video card on a decently priced laptop (~1k$) was GeForce® 8400M. How good is that card? Can it run Quake Wars?

[matthewcraig]

XP doesn't have DX10 either but the 8800GT accelerates opengl and dx9 and below so much faster as well.

Maybe it was the DX9 API. Whatever the feature for the 8800GT is -- it should say it on the box. Probably not DX10, as I said, that's only for Vista, right?


"OMG, whoever is claiming the 6600GT is as fast as the 8800GT based on that phronix article should be banned"

I believe Phoronix is a reputable source. You want to dispute their testing methods, then take it up with them, not me.

[anjilslaire]

The best video card on a decently priced laptop (~1k$) was GeForce® 8400M. How good is that card? Can it run Quake Wars?

Good question. I just got a laptop with that card myself, and was wondering how it will do...

[jinx099]

Yes, Phoronix did a recent benchmark comparison of the different cards working under Linux desktop environments. The difference between the 6600GT and the 8800GT was tiny.

This is completely inaccurate and I would appreciate it if you accepted you made a mistake saying this rather than try to save face.

In some ways, you are comparing apples to oranges when you compare performance between OpenGL/SDL and DirectX. These two graphics APIs do different things. The 8800GT was specifically designed for DirectX10 (or whatever the latest MS fad is), so when you compare the 6600GT against the 8800GT with DirectX10 benchmarks, the 6600GT gets smoked. Yet, on Linux, we do not have DirectX10, and so you get the 8800GT and you are buying features for an operating system you don't use. No surprise that the 6600GT performs at the same quality level as the 8800GT in the Linux kernel.

Hey, at least you get to say you bought a $300 video card though, right? *rolls eyes* Tell your friends to buy a 6600GT, instead. They only cost $65 these days. The 6600GT will run all the 3D Linux games you can find, where the developers support the Linux platform. (Running unsupported Windows games in an emulated environment? I can't make any video card recommendations for you, because you're running programs in an environment neither NVIDIA nor the game designers support.)

The 8800GT also supports OpenGL, which runs on Linux, OSX, and Windows!! 8800GT on linux with openGL will smoke a 6600GT on linux with openGL.

Sure, the 6600GT is a fine card if you want to run compiz, I'm sure. But saying that on Linux the 6600GT is equal to an 8800GT is just pure BS.

[jinx099]

Maybe it was the DX9 API. Whatever the feature for the 8800GT is -- it should say it on the box. Probably not DX10, as I said, that's only for Vista, right?

nVidia's 8 series supports not only DX10, but also DX9 and lower AND openGL. And yes, DX10 is only for Vista.


I believe Phoronix is a reputable source. You want to dispute their testing methods, then take it up with them, not me.
Read your sources next time before spouting off BS.

[matthewcraig]

Sure, the 6600GT is a fine card if you want to run compiz, I'm sure. But saying that on Linux the 6600GT is equal to an 8800GT is just pure BS.

Look, I can tell you trying to start a flame ware here, but I want to make it clear that I was saying the test showed a tiny difference between the two cards on Linux. If the card is working well for you, then fine. We do not have to fight over this. And if you dispute the test results, then argue with the people who made the test, not me.

Here is the link (http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=10563) to the test results. The 8800GT is even slower than the 6600GT in many of the test scenarios. Please note, I am not going to respond to any more of your comments in this thread, due to your sharp words. Discuss your concerns with the authors of the Phoronix report.

[Mike'sHardLinux]

The 8800GT isn't tested in that article. Besides, even the 8600GT is considerably better in that article, and of course, the 8800GT/GTS are even faster, though not tested in that article.

[matthewcraig]

8800/8600 *shrug*. The conclusion of his tests are the huge performace gains from high-end NVIDIA cards are lost of Linux gamers, and "there may be some serious performance regressions with the GeForce 8 series on alternative operating systems, we explored this issue further and after confirming this problem exists in the latest Linux display driver". That's all I was trying to say. I did mistake the 8800 with the 8600 before, but I only just went back to dig up the link to the article. Also, The 8600GT was slower in the Doom3 tests.

[Mike'sHardLinux]

Sure hope they fix that problem soon. I really want to upgrade from this 7600GT, but dropping $250-$350 on a card and not getting a big boost would really suck, especially since the 7600GT only cost $125, and that was over a year ago!!

[matthewcraig]

,,, don't want to rain on anyone's parade ... if you have a high-end card you like, then the 8800gt is the best price / performance card for you. Sorry that I got anyone riled up. I look forward to the day that we have a quality graphics card with open source drivers that can be well supported by the Ubuntu community. Have a nice holiday.

[mellowd]

8800/8600 *shrug*

You realize how far apart these cards are?

[Vadi]

People!

We need info on the 8400 here, plz.

[mellowd]

The OP was about the 8800, not anything else

[Daymo7]

Hi, this is my first post here so hello all. I am about to purchase the 8800GT to replace my 6600GT. A couple of questions. Firstly I noticed there are many different 8800GT's available...what are the differences & does it matter which you buy. Secondly, I would like to fit this myself and need advice on if I require any further equipment added to my PC which is only 2 years old as upgrading the graphics card. Many thanks for any help :)

[mellowd]

Hi, this is my first post here so hello all. I am about to purchase the 8800GT to replace my 6600GT. A couple of questions. Firstly I noticed there are many different 8800GT's available...what are the differences & does it matter which you buy. Secondly, I would like to fit this myself and need advice on if I require any further equipment added to my PC which is only 2 years old as upgrading the graphics card. Many thanks for any help :)

As long as you have a PCI-E slot you're good to go.

Most of the 8800GT's are very similar. Sometimes you'll pay an extra 10% for a 5% overclocked card but to be honest it really isn't worth it. My 8800GT is stock and I can play everything including crysis at high quality without a problem

[JurB]

Nvidia also says it requires a min of 400w power supply.

[mellowd]

Nvidia also says it requires a min of 400w power supply.

True that, forgot about that part. Most are more than 400W these days though, just be sure to check

[Daymo7]

Thanks for all your advice guys. Will check those out and hopefully I wont find fitting a Graphics Card for the first time too testing :)

[Daymo7]

Hi I have just checked. I have an Asus A8V Deluxe Motherboard. It says it has 5 PCI slots which I take it means the 8800GT will work in this? Is it just a case that I remove the 6600GT and replace it in the same slot? Sorry if these questions seem simple but im a noob wanting to learn :lolflag: Many thanks again :)

[jinx099]

Hi I have just checked. I have an Asus A8V Deluxe Motherboard. It says it has 5 PCI slots which I take it means the 8800GT will work in this? Is it just a case that I remove the 6600GT and replace it in the same slot? Sorry if these questions seem simple but im a noob wanting to learn :lolflag: Many thanks again :)

PCI is not the same as PCI-express (PCI-e). Likely your 6600GT is the AGP version and is in an AGP slot. Unfortunatley new video cards don't support AGP anymore, and definitely not regular PCI.

[mellowd]

PCI is not the same as PCI-express (PCI-e). Likely your 6600GT is the AGP version and is in an AGP slot. Unfortunatley new video cards don't support AGP anymore, and definitely not regular PCI.

Some still do come in AGP, but they are hard to find.

[Daymo7]

PCI is not the same as PCI-express (PCI-e). Likely your 6600GT is the AGP version and is in an AGP slot. Unfortunatley new video cards don't support AGP anymore, and definitely not regular PCI.


Ah okay. Does that mean I will have to get a new motherboard also? Think I might get an expert in as it all sounds realy complicated :confused: Thanks for your help :)

[mellowd]

Ah okay. Does that mean I will have to get a new motherboard also? Think I might get an expert in as it all sounds realy complicated :confused: Thanks for your help :)

You got the s939 AMD A8V deluxe? If so then it has an AGP slot

[mellowd]

And if so as far as I know the NVIDIA 7900GS AGP version is the fastest AGP card avalible (I could really be wrong here, correct me if I'm wrong)

[mellowd]

Saw this on tomshardware, not sure how true it could be:

Our former recommendation in this price segment for AGP was the Radeon X1950 XT,
the fastest AGP card released to date. Why did we change our recommendation?
Two reasons: The first is that the Radeon X1950 XT is getting harder and harder to find.
It’s possible that Gecube isn’t making them anymore.
The second reason to hold off on buying is that there are rumours of a new AGP king on the horizon–
There’s a good chance that there’s an AGP version of the Radeon 38x0 series in the works!

So if you’re going to spend the more than £100 on an AGP card, you owe it to yourself to hold
off a bit and see if the Radeon 3850 will be gracing the AGP bus in the near future.

[Daymo7]

You got the s939 AMD A8V deluxe? If so then it has an AGP slot

Yes it has an AGP slot, but I wanted to upgrade to PCI-E so can go for the 8 series Nvidia cards. From what you can understand..what would you recommend to do. Upgrade to PCI-E ie get a new motherboard and get the 8800GT or stick to the top AGP cards?

[JurB]

Depends on how much you want to spend ;)
Also, if you never changed a graphics- /soundcard, changing you mobo isn't the best thing to do unsupervised :).

[mellowd]

Yup, what JurB said above, it depends on how much you want to spend. You'll have to find a s939 board with pci-express which are becoing harder to find as AMD don't make 939 boards any more (though I've got one so they are still out there)

Also make sure the memory type matches your current memory type. Then there is the hassle of replacing the motherboard.

It depends on how much you want to spend and do.

[Daymo7]

It all sounds very complicated for a noob like me. I just thought i had to take out one graphics card and put the other in. If I was to go for the best card for an AGP slot....I think you said it was a Radeon X1950 XT, would i need to do anything else other than replacing and how good is this card compared with the 8800GT? Hope you dont mind asking you all these questions :)

[mellowd]

It all sounds very complicated for a noob like me. I just thought i had to take out one graphics card and put the other in. If I was to go for the best card for an AGP slot....I think you said it was a Radeon X1950 XT, would i need to do anything else other than replacing and how good is this card compared with the 8800GT? Hope you dont mind asking you all these questions :)

Biggest problem with ATi cards is that their linux support osnt all that good at all unfortuantely. The X1950 XT is a good card but doesn't quite compare to the 8800GT. It will be a heck of a lot cheaper and easier to get the Ati card though.

[houstonbofh]

It all sounds very complicated for a noob like me. I just thought i had to take out one graphics card and put the other in. If I was to go for the best card for an AGP slot....I think you said it was a Radeon X1950 XT, would i need to do anything else other than replacing and how good is this card compared with the 8800GT? Hope you dont mind asking you all these questions :)
Think of it like memory. For example, sdram will not go in ddr2 which will not go in ddr3... Now in your case I would look at this choice; AGP card, or all new computer. There is no reason to get a new motherboard for just the slot. CPU and memory have made a few advances, so it is worth the upgrade. If that is too expensive, stay with AGP.

There are a few AGP nvidia 7 series cards. They are expensive, and hard to find. You will pay $100 to stay with AGP... A good 7 series card is just as fast as a similar 8 series card on linux. The ATI cards have issues already, and the AGP versions have a few issues as well on Windows, so I would stick with nvidia.

[Daymo7]

Your advice is greatfully received. I can't afford to get a new computer but really need to upgrade my 6600GT. The 8800GT was the one I really wanted but I now realize my system cant use it. It is now a straight choice between the XFX 7950GT or the Sapphire RADEON X1950 PRO. Both cards come in at around £120/£130 which isnt to much cheaper than the 8800GT. Do you guys no much about these cards and are they compatible with my system. Im just looking for a card that will play games like Crysis....Half Life 2.....COD4 in highish graphics. Again cheers for all your help :)

[mellowd]

Your advice is greatfully received. I can't afford to get a new computer but really need to upgrade my 6600GT. The 8800GT was the one I really wanted but I now realize my system cant use it. It is now a straight choice between the XFX 7950GT or the Sapphire RADEON X1950 PRO. Both cards come in at around £120/£130 which isnt to much cheaper than the 8800GT. Do you guys no much about these cards and are they compatible with my system. Im just looking for a card that will play games like Crysis....Half Life 2.....COD4 in highish graphics. Again cheers for all your help :)

Which OS are you going to be running for these games? Windows? If so you can get either. If only linux then stick with the nvidia card

[Daymo7]

Im using Windows myself. I will use the internet to have a read about both the cards as they seem pretty similar. Are both compatible with my computer? They are both AGP slots, but is there anything else I need to check for compatability? If they are...is it just a case of removing my 6600GT remove the drivers..then fit the new one and add the drivers...anything else? :) :lolflag: one day will finally do it haha

[mellowd]

Im using Windows myself. I will use the internet to have a read about both the cards as they seem pretty similar. Are both compatible with my computer? They are both AGP slots, but is there anything else I need to check for compatability? If they are...is it just a case of removing my 6600GT remove the drivers..then fit the new one and add the drivers...anything else? :) :lolflag: one day will finally do it haha

That pretty much sums it up. Changing a video card is one of the easiest upgrades to do.

[Daymo7]

Thanks for all your help. Will let you no which one I choose and how the upgrade goes :lolflag:

[Vadi]

Well, ATI is buffing their tux-friendliness.

But I think this is a case of a google search leading here... ;)

[artinla]

I bought a BFG 8800gtoc 512M DDR3 from Bestbuy for $247 about 2 weeks ago. Couldn't be happier. It runs WAY faster than my old 8600 in every game that I run.