Ubuntu, proud of its Debian roots!

[MissionImpossible]

Ubuntu Firefox Toolbar Bookmarks link proudly points to Debian, see attachment image. This will surely drive traffic to Debian!

Now, this Ubuntu honesty and pride in their origin should be used as very good example to follow by others who base themselves on Ubuntu, Fedora, Mandriva (I can think of one particular distro that tries very, very hard to hide its Mandriva roots! haha), etc.

[igknighted]

Ubuntu Firefox Toolbar Bookmarks link proudly points to Debian, see attachment image. This will surely drive traffic to Debian!

Now, this Ubuntu honesty and pride in their origin should be used as very good example to follow by others who base themselves on Ubuntu, Fedora, Mandriva (I can think of one particular distro that tries very, very hard to hide its Mandriva roots! haha), etc.

They aren't truely "based" on Mandriva, at least in the same way Ubuntu is to Debian. PCLOS was originally built on Mandriva's SRPMs, but the two have been developing separately since. Whereas Ubuntu syncs to Debian twice a year, PCLOS does not. And barring some unforeseen hurdle like what went on preceding PCLOS 2007, they may never sync to Mandy again.

Some distro's really aren't that close to their "parents". Mandriva was originally built from Fedora. Suse came from Slackware. You don't see these distro's linking back to the sites of their parents. I guess I really don't take issue with PCLOS not crediting Mandy.

Back on topic, that little link should quell those who have been in uprising over Ubuntu not acknowledging Debian. Then again, I (like many others I assume) always delete the stock bookmarks first thing, so they could link to microsoft's site and I wouldn't know/care.

[ezsit]

Now, this Ubuntu honesty and pride in their origin...

Ubuntu devs have always been honest about the total reliance on Debian and the Debian community. It's the users who don't have a clue for the most part.

[davtaine]

I beg to differ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/154274

[MissionImpossible]

I beg to differ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/154274

How about the following info, does that suffice for you?
Looks good to me! In comparison, Mandriva gets very shabby treatment from its offspring - PCLos!

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Debian and Ubuntu

Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process.
About Debian

Debian is "the rock upon which Ubuntu is built".

Debian is a volunteer project to develop a GNU/Linux distribution. Debian was started more than a decade ago and has since grown to comprise more than 1000 members with official developer status and many more volunteers and contributors. It has expanded to encompass nearly 17,000 "packages" of free and open source applications and documentation.
About Ubuntu

Sponsored by Canonical, the Ubuntu project attempts to work with Debian to address the issues that keep many users from using Debian. Ubuntu provides a system based on Debian with frequent time-based releases, corporate accountability, and a more considered desktop interface. Ubuntu provides users with a way to deploy Debian with security fixes, release critical bug fixes, a consistent desktop interface, and to never be more than six months away from the latest version of anything in the open source world.
Ubuntu and Debian

Ubuntu and Debian are distinct but parallel and closely linked systems. The Ubuntu project seeks to complement the Debian project in the following areas:
Package selection
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http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/debian

[MissionImpossible]

They aren't truely "based" on Mandriva, at least in the same way Ubuntu is to Debian. PCLOS was originally built on Mandriva's SRPMs, but the two have been developing separately since. Whereas Ubuntu syncs to Debian twice a year, PCLOS does not. And barring some unforeseen hurdle like what went on preceding PCLOS 2007, they may never sync to Mandy again.
I don't know for sure whether PCLOS used source or binary RPMS (I think they may have just used a binary base, correct me if I am wrong!) but it is debatable which one resembles more its base. Ubuntu binaries, as far as I am aware, are not interchangeable with Debian but many PCL binaries are identical to Mandriva 2007 (it seems they do very little updating of the base core packages), bar removal of change log info and a re-branded package name.
PCLOS 2007 is based on Mandriva 2007! That means they could NOT keep going with their original base of Mandrake 9.2, so much for their "Mandrake Fork" that is promoted around the internet.

Some distro's really aren't that close to their "parents". Mandriva was originally built from Fedora. Suse came from Slackware. You don't see these distro's linking back to the sites of their parents. I guess I really don't take issue with PCLOS not crediting Mandy.
PCLOS is based on Mandriva 2007, no ifs and no buts! Yeah, they change a few things - splash screens, artwork, some kde menu layout, different version of kde and kernel - but the essence, the foundation, is SAME. Also, they have to tweak it a bit so that it works with the different versions of kde, kernel and some updated apps such as OO.org, Firefox, etc. The only major difference would be that PCLOS uses a different package manager by default. But they will have issues there since Ubuntu devs have stopped support for the rpm version of Synaptic pm, haha.

Back on topic, that little link should quell those who have been in uprising over Ubuntu not acknowledging Debian. Then again, I (like many others I assume) always delete the stock bookmarks first thing, so they could link to microsoft's site and I wouldn't know/care.

Yeah, I was not aware of all these issues and some of the links in this thread helped me get a more balanced view of the various concerns and discussions going on.

[igknighted]

I don't know for sure whether PCLOS used source or binary RPMS (I think they may have just used a binary base, correct me if I am wrong!) but it is debatable which one resembles more its base. Ubuntu binaries, as far as I am aware, are not interchangeable with Debian but many PCL binaries are identical to Mandriva 2007 (it seems they do very little updating of the base core packages), bar removal of change log info and a re-branded package name.
PCLOS 2007 is based on Mandriva 2007! That means they could NOT keep going with their original base of Mandrake 9.2, so much for their "Mandrake Fork" that is promoted around the internet.


PCLOS is based on Mandriva 2007, no ifs and no buts! Yeah, they change a few things - splash screens, artwork, some kde menu layout, different version of kde and kernel - but the essence, the foundation, is SAME. Also, they have to tweak it a bit so that it works with the different versions of kde, kernel and some updated apps such as OO.org, Firefox, etc. The only major difference would be that PCLOS uses a different package manager by default. But they will have issues there since Ubuntu devs have stopped support for the rpm version of Synaptic pm, haha.



Yeah, I was not aware of all these issues and some of the links in this thread helped me get a more balanced view of the various concerns and discussions going on.

PCLOS was originally built from Mandrake 9.somethings SRPMs (the source rpms). Then they developed sepeartely, not really sharing code until PCLOS had to do a gcc/glibc update for 2007. This was beyond what the small group of developers could handle at the time, so they re-based on Mandriva 2007. Since then, they have again been developing seperately. Yes, mandriva 2007 binaries probably work in PCLOS 2007, but I doubt Mandy 2008 binaries do. The two will continue to diverge most likely, although given all the changes on their dev team, I wonder what the intentions will be moving forwards.