WYSIWYG options?

[guice]

I hear there's KompoZer and Nvu. Are there others? What I'm looking for is not exactly a WYSIWYG editor, but more a "wire frame" editor. I want something I can "draw" on to lay out webpages for a site I'm working on. The whole building from scratch from moot since 90% of the HTML files will be split out into individual view templates (MVC pattern framwork) and I'm extremely familiar with HTML. I'm to the point now I just want a GIMP for webpages. Something I can just drag and drop elements all over to get an idea on how things will look.

I would use GIMP/Photoshop IF it has "premade" elements. Right now, I don't feel like going out and drawing every body and field within each page. I did that in a notebook. Now I want to make a quick, not XHTML compliant page to see how things will flesh out with real views.

Are there any other options aside from those two? If not, of those two which do you all prefer? Again, I'm looking for a WYSIWYG not an editor. My normal IDEs for all the advanced text editing stuff.

[AJB2K3]

I would use GIMP/Photoshop IF it has "premade" elements. Right now, I don't feel like going out and drawing every body and field within each page. I did that in a notebook. Now I want to make a quick, not XHTML compliant page to see how things will flesh out with real views.


Urm isn't that what brushes are for?
Make all the components and save each one as a brush


Now I want to make a quick, not XHTML compliant page to see how things will flesh out with real views.
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Why not XHTML? all you do is clean up you coding grammer and spelling so that ALL browsers view the site the same and XHTML is easer to code due to less (is that the rite word) components?


Are there any other options aside from those two? If not, of those two which do you all prefer? Again, I'm looking for a WYSIWYG not an editor. My normal IDEs for all the advanced text editing stuff.

I have to confess that i find NVU useful for quick layout design but

I don't see the lines of code.

I just see the graphical output.

[billrad1]

Well,

I have been looking for WYSIWYG web development application for a long time.

For good or bad, I am very used to Frontpage, which is now Expression Web.

I have tried NVU, Kompozer, Bluefish, etc, and none really accommodate me like Frontpage, and the WYSIWYG capability. Of course, Frontpage had its quirks, which I learned over time.

I'm not a programmer, but much more of a hack, which is why I prefer WYSIWYG over raw text.


If anyone does know of an application that provides similar functions to Frontpage, feel free to post!

I did use Kompozer for a while, but it has a lot of limitations compared to what I am used to.

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[AJB2K3]

If anyone does know of an application that provides similar functions to Frontpage, feel free to post!

Noone will write a front page clone because FP uses ie proprity html that is not to html 4.0 or xhtml 1.0 standerds.

With the push for common web design standards fp and the like will slowly get left behind on windows.

You are far better off learning the very simple XHTML standerd and buying a good book like

The difference between handcoding and WYSIWYG is faster cleaner code that is simpler to read and easer to debug and is rendered faster by viewers and will be rendered the same on all non IE (eg standered complient) browsers.

[guice]

Urm isn't that what brushes are for?
Make all the components and save each one as a brush
Is it? I'm not a graphic designer: I'm completely unaware of the in's and out's of Photoshop or GIMP.


Why not XHTML? all you do is clean up you coding grammer and spelling so that ALL browsers view the site the same and XHTML is easer to code due to less (is that the rite word) components?
Well, it's more of a "not needed" because I wanted something quick and I didn't care if it was XHTML compliant as I already have tools capable of making a load of junk HTML into XHTML in a single click, formatted how I like it.

I'm not a programmer, but much more of a hack, which is why I prefer WYSIWYG over raw text.
If you're using it for real webpages, I'd highly recommend going plain text. Imo, WYSIWYG is only for quick shoot outs of code. There isn't a WYSIWYG editor today that can properly format everything like it should be. Frontpage is the worst of all of them. Just because it might display properly doesn't mean it's proper code.