Bill Roper , Hellgate:London

[Wiebelhaus]

(? (http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/104/))13. Doom 3, America's Army, Heretic, Myth II, Neverwinter Nights, Quake 3 arena, Unreal Tournament 2003, and Wolfstein are among the many games that have gone Linux. Hellgate: London will obviously be attractive to players of those games. What is Flagship Studios? standpoint with Linux now that you are an independent Game Developing studio? Will a Linux version of Hellgate: London be possible in the future or considered internally?

(A)Bill Roper: The issue of a Linux version of the game follows many of the same thought processes as a Macintosh version, except that the install base is even smaller, although no less passionate about their OS. It is less an issue of being ?anti-Linux? than of trying to maintain a focus on the majority of your gamers. Just as we can?t support every video card, we?ll do our best to hit the vast majority of them to ensure that as many players can have fun with Hellgate: London as possible.

wth? Did he just say no? Anyone have any revealing information on whether there will be a Linux version?

[TidusBlade]

I sure hope there will be a Linux version :happy: And yes, by a majority of gamers, he probably means Windows users, so probably no Linux version :( And the fact that It's a "Games for Windows" thing, I highly doubt the idea of a linux version is probable then.

[Wiebelhaus]

I sure hope there will be a Linux version :happy: And yes, by a majority of gamers, he probably means Windows users, so probably no Linux version :( And the fact that It's a "Games for Windows" thing, I highly doubt the idea of a linux version is probable then.

If there isn't I'm not buying it.

[glotz]

IGN.com has up a post discussing the new EA/Flagship game Hellgate: London, and the in-game advertisements it includes to facilitate targeted marketing. Though ads in games aren't exactly new, some Beta testers are objecting to their apparently off-putting presence. Users have also noted that accepting the game's EULA means you submit to the collection of 'technical and related information that identifies your computer, including without limitation your Internet Protocol address, operating system, application software and peripheral hardware'.

Doesn't sound like a game I'll be looking for...

[Wiebelhaus]

I totally understand why someone would have an issue with ads in a game and I would support a cause to express disinterest in such practice , although it doesn't bother me personally , I could explain why but it doesn't really matter anyway , My point is I'm not giving my money to a software or hardware company that doesn't support Linux Period.

[hikaricore]

The big issue isn't the ADs...
by agreeing to the ELUA you're saying they can collect any information about your system and connection they want.

Screw that.

[Wiebelhaus]

The big issue isn't the ADs...
by agreeing to the ELUA you're saying they can collect any information about your system and connection they want.

Screw that.

true true.

[TidusBlade]

If it doesn't have a linux version, I'll probably just download it then, even though it's me most waited release this year :(
EDIT: IF you deny access for Hellgate to the internet, wouldn't that mean your not sending anything to them?

[hikaricore]

EDIT: IF you deny access for Hellgate to the internet, wouldn't that mean your not sending anything to them?


Yes, unless they use ESP ^_^

However this rules out multi-player entirely, and who knows how the game will react to not being able to send the info.

[Wiebelhaus]

If it doesn't have a linux version, I'll probably just download it then, even though it's me most waited release this year :(
EDIT: IF you deny access for Hellgate to the internet, wouldn't that mean your not sending anything to them?


Say mate , you can Download the windows demo here (http://www.gamedaily.com/games/hellgate-london/pc/game-features/hellgate-london-exclusive-demo/4251/67004/)
Pretty slick it feels like a refined dungeon siege 2 , as I said before no Linux client no support from me , no exceptions.

[Zylar]

1. They're a startup, they don't have the resources for a Linux version (even though I've been pushing for one on their alpha/beta forums). Plus they were probably 'helped' by M$ for using DX (certainly the DX10 parts). Believe me, I'm hoping it gets voted up at Transgaming. Hellgate is currently the only reason I'm dual-booting.

2. The ads are extremely non-intrusive. I didn't even notice them until people started complaining on the forums. They're old, tattered, etc. and fit the atmosphere perfectly. Plus they already said there won't be any ****** or My Little Pony ads or anything unfitting. The 'targeted' ads mean they're targeted at gamers, not that they're scanning your PC/cookies/history or whatever and targeting you specifically, from the devs.

3. The EULA is the same for any on-line game these days, they can scan your pc for cheats/hacks/macros etc. Anyone ever play on BNet? That's what they're trying to avoid. Yes the language is a little vague, but I guarantee Flagship isn't spying on you (unless you're wearing a tinfoil hat, then yes, they are spying on you! :lolflag:).

4. Hellgate:London is by far one of the funnest games I've played in a long time. Seeing how Flagship Studios has listened to, and interacted with, their players throughout alpha & beta it's quite obvious these are good guys, and a company to keep an eye on.

The game isn't perfect yet, there are some issues, but give it time and I see this game becoming great,

Ask away if you have any questions, NDA is long over.

[Wiebelhaus]

1. They're a startup, they don't have the resources for a Linux version (even though I've been pushing for one on their alpha/beta forums). Plus they were probably 'helped' by M$ for using DX (certainly the DX10 parts). Believe me, I'm hoping it gets voted up at Transgaming. Hellgate is currently the only reason I'm dual-booting.

2. The ads are extremely non-intrusive. I didn't even notice them until people started complaining on the forums. They're old, tattered, etc. and fit the atmosphere perfectly. Plus they already said there won't be any ****** or My Little Pony ads or anything unfitting. The 'targeted' ads mean they're targeted at gamers, not that they're scanning your PC/cookies/history or whatever and targeting you specifically, from the devs.

3. The EULA is the same for any on-line game these days, they can scan your pc for cheats/hacks/macros etc. Anyone ever play on BNet? That's what they're trying to avoid. Yes the language is a little vague, but I guarantee Flagship isn't spying on you (unless you're wearing a tinfoil hat, then yes, they are spying on you! :lolflag:).

4. Hellgate:London is by far one of the funnest games I've played in a long time. Seeing how Flagship Studios has listened to, and interacted with, their players throughout alpha & beta it's quite obvious these are good guys, and a company to keep an eye on.

The game isn't perfect yet, there are some issues, but give it time and I see this game becoming great,

Ask away if you have any questions, NDA is long over.

I agree with you , But I'm not paying for anything computer wise that doesn't support linux.

[Crafty Kisses]

I sure hope there will be a Linux version :happy: And yes, by a majority of gamers, he probably means Windows users, so probably no Linux version :( And the fact that It's a "Games for Windows" thing, I highly doubt the idea of a linux version is probable then.

Same here. :)

[EXCiD3]

I agree...I'm boycotting anything Windows only. If its not multiplatform it doesnt deserver my money.

[fain]

I totally agree with all of you. I just had to activate my vista again because i changed my cdrom i guess what bull$#1+ But this game is to good to pass up. Hopefully we can get wine support soon at least.

[Crafty Kisses]

I totally agree with all of you. I just had to activate my vista again because i changed my cdrom i guess what bull$#1+ But this game is to good to pass up. Hopefully we can get wine support soon at least.

Heard about that glitch, when is Microsoft planning on fixing that? :wink:

[hikaricore]

Heard about that glitch, when is Microsoft planning on fixing that? :wink:

Why bother when they can just convince much of the customer base to buy a new license. heh
I'm not trying to be mean either..

[Crafty Kisses]

Why bother when they can just convince much of the customer base to buy a new license. heh
I'm not trying to be mean either..

That's Microsoft for ya. :)

[fain]

Why bother when they can just convince much of the customer base to buy a new license. heh
I'm not trying to be mean either..

Thats the truth!!!! The first option it gave me was "I don't have a key i need to buy one online" I dispise them sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooo much.

[Ferrat]

Heard about that glitch, when is Microsoft planning on fixing that? :wink:

Bill Gates
- Microsoft programs are generally bug-free. If you visit the Microsoft hotline, you'll literally have to wait weeks if not months until someone calls in with a bug in one of our programs. 99.99% of calls turn out to be user mistakes. I know not a single less irrelevant reason for an update than bugfixes. The reasons for updates are to present more new features.

- Microsoft is not about greed. It’s about innovation and fairness.

- There are no significant bugs in our released software that any significant number of users want fixed.


Don't hold your breath ;D


onTopic:
Well Hellgate isn't comming to linux, that's more or less what he is saying or atleast that both a Windows and a MacOS release is higher prio.

As for ads, I don't really care if they are in the game or not as long as they look like they are suppost to be there, like a Coca-Cola ad in a Baldur's Gate like game wouldn't really world, but in a fallout game a broken old sign ect works great. the ELUA, well havn't read this one but most of hem are the same, scan for thridpart software that is used to cheat ect. the interesting stuff isn't the scan but what they are allowed to scan for and do with it, for ex. are they allowed to pass the information on to other parties? are they allowed to use the information for anything other that what's connected to their product? What are they exactly allowed to scan for? and how intrusive is the scan?
A simple regedit or cpu processes scan doesn't reveale that much, a cookie scan reveales more but you can hide cookies or delete them, a singel file scan for ex .txt files or likewise is very intrusive and could lead to them scanning copyrighted or protected material.

So the scan itself doesn't really matter, it's the degree

[fain]

onTopic:
Well Hellgate isn't comming to linux, that's more or less what he is saying or atleast that both a Windows and a MacOS release is higher prio.

As for ads, I don't really care if they are in the game or not as long as they look like they are suppost to be there, like a Coca-Cola ad in a Baldur's Gate like game wouldn't really world, but in a fallout game a broken old sign ect works great. the ELUA, well havn't read this one but most of hem are the same, scan for thridpart software that is used to cheat ect. the interesting stuff isn't the scan but what they are allowed to scan for and do with it, for ex. are they allowed to pass the information on to other parties? are they allowed to use the information for anything other that what's connected to their product? What are they exactly allowed to scan for? and how intrusive is the scan?
A simple regedit or cpu processes scan doesn't reveale that much, a cookie scan reveales more but you can hide cookies or delete them, a singel file scan for ex .txt files or likewise is very intrusive and could lead to them scanning copyrighted or protected material.

So the scan itself doesn't really matter, it's the degree

rofl at the gates speech!!!!!

I dont really care what they scan cause most of the work i do is on my ext3 partition anyways :P my windows cant even see it.
yes it does state that they can transfer info to "affiliates"

this is taken directly from hellgates eula as of 11/03/07

3. Consent to Use of Data. You agree that EA, its affiliates, and each Related Party may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer, including without limitation your Internet Protocol address, operating system, application software and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online play. EA and/or the Related Parties may also use this information in the aggregate and, in a form which does not personally identify you, to improve our products and services and we may share that aggregate data with our third party service providers.

the ads doesn't bother me because it is a subway after all, and it gives them more money so they can make the game better.

[Polygon]

flagship studios is made up of ex-blizzard employees, so there is a better chance for a mac os x version then most other games

sadly most companies think that linux is still not a good target platform, but again we still have huge supports on our side with id and epic and all. linux's time will come ;)

[mflayer]

In case someone wonders if Hellgate works with cedega, the answer is "No". Took me a couple hours of trying with my friend's fresh DVD... So no luck there either (tried both Demo and Original). Gotta wait for Transgaming guys to improve support... Until then I'm gonna keep the money and watch my friend play the game =)

Concerning this:
I totally agree with all of you. I just had to activate my vista again because i changed my cdrom i guess what bull$#1+ But this game is to good to pass up. Hopefully we can get wine support soon at least.
I can only quote (excuse me my sarcastic nature):
It's not a bug, it's a feature

[fain]

I was in the beta forums and we had a "Port to Linux?" thread as in most games forums I've been in. Well, there was a official poster, dunno his title exactly. But he said "they would love to port to mac Linux and any other system out there but they simply don't have the manpower to do so." He also said that "it doesn't mean it wont happen in the future."


Amazon.com's hellgate page lists the system req as directx 8. Maybe this version would run in wine. I believe wines dx8 support is better than its dx9.
http://www.amazon.com/Hellgate-London-Collectors-Edition-DVD/dp/B000U86WWM

now, how would one force the install into dx8?

Edit: never mind amazon is wrong. the hellgate site does not say dx8. But it also states the list req is for alpha.

[Sutur]

Doesn't sound like a game I'll be looking for...

What if you don't have the Internet? I suppose it probably won't work without one like Quake 4. I hate it when games insist you have the Internet.

[fain]

What if you don't have the Internet? I suppose it probably won't work without one like Quake 4. I hate it when games insist you have the Internet.

Hellgate has got a single player mode for off line play too.

[reagentz]

I'm pretty much with everyone else here, I've been excited about this title since 3 years ago or more when I heard of it. It appealed to me because it was some disgruntled Blizzard/Diablo coders gone rogue and making a whole new game platform on that play style. I knew it would kick some ***.

Unfortunately, they can **** off if there's not a native Linux installer for their product, there's plenty of torrent sites with it, and I'd just as well play the single player as I would the multiplayer.

I got away from Windows almost a month ago and plan on staying away from it. I got away from Windows just because of their strangle hold on the market, and the OS is a pile of crap. It's designed for morons who can't or won't RTFM. It's sad that a corp money grubbing software giant like MS can thrive because a vast majority of computer users are to lazy to figure out how to use their OS.

It doesn't surprise me they won't make a Linux installer/client for this game, just like other video game studios, but what does surprise me is how they can under estimate a whole OS market that has been steadily gaining momentum since the mid-1990's. It's not much more out of their pocket and the return on sales would make up for it. If I was a gaming studio I would definitely want to cover the 3 main OS's out there, Linux, Mac, and Windows.

One day I hope these studios will come to their senses and release their major release titles for Linux. Companies like id Software knows the score so should everyone else. Kudos to those companies, die in a fire for the other gaming studios, I guess it all that does matter for them is the bottom dollar.

[Sutur]

Hellgate has got a single player mode for off line play too.

Well that's a plus...do you HAVE to register it online like Quake 4 demands?

[fain]

Well that's a plus...do you HAVE to register it online like Quake 4 demands?
Sorry, I'm not sure I haven't even started the single player version. I've only played the online version so far.

[meltingrobot]

I would really like to play this game also. But no native Linux client = no money from me. I'm glad that Quake Wars got a Linux client out quickly. I've been having fun playing that. Looking forward to picking up UT3 also. It's nice to see that some people feel the same way I do about boycotting Windows only games.

[fain]

I would really like to play this game also. But no native Linux client = no money from me. I'm glad that Quake Wars got a Linux client out quickly. I've been having fun playing that. Looking forward to picking up UT3 also. It's nice to see that some people feel the same way I do about boycotting Windows only games.

I wish i could do that but being a game lover its kinda hard to do. So i get on the forum of the game and beg for a linux version maybe run a poll if i can.

[cor2y]

save your cash.
I tried the Hellgate Demo in windows and not too good repetative lvl designs , bad UI (esp for the inventory).
The Pay to Play option doesn't help either.
If you are still determined to play give it a year.
They seem to be trying to make it an mmo without calling it that.
So like all mmos that have recently launched, that have bugs etc wait about 12 months to see where it is going

[tszanon]

Well that's a plus...do you HAVE to register it online like Quake 4 demands?
No. If you won't play online, there's no need to register/create an account. Just install it and play.

[EnvoyRising]

Well, I was waiting for my Linux distro to download, I went to the store and bought the game. I knew it wouldn't run under Linux quite just yet, but I figured 1) i was going to dual boot the system, and 2) wine would eventually have it up and running. Well, after installing Linux (Linux mint, based off of Ubuntu originally), I accidentally erased my vista partition, and have been too busy, lazy, and releived at been away from cursed vista to go back and correct my error (if you want to call it that).

From the brief time that I did spend playing it, it seemed essentially like what Diablo III would have been. I couldn't tell a difference between the offline and online versions, though. That is, it felt less like an MMO and more like a regular multiplayer console game (kinda like, surprise, Diablo II did).

As for pay to play, that isn't entirely the case. It offers a premium service, but apparently everything they offer to premium users, they eventually offer to non-subscribers, with the exception of a few player slots.

Anyways, though I think its a pretty neat game, and it sucks that I bought it and can't play it, its not something so great that I'll be rushing to get windows back on my laptop. I'll stick to FPS's for now. Hooah, Urban Terror!

[lferree]

Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but most hardware/software does not have support for Linux, at least from their manufacturers. The reason we have so much support for hardware is because the Linux community has put in years of hard work to make things function, with little or no money being paid for their time. With software, it's about the same. Someone really wants something to work, so they write it, or collaborate to help write it.

The reason we don't have more Linux support is because it makes no sense from an upper management prospective to allocate funding to Linux development, when 95% of the company's customer base are Windoze users. The companies that are doing this, have the resources to do so. Plain and simple.

I have been using Ubuntu for several months now and it is definitely a love/hate relationship. I stick to my guns for a couple reasons.

A) I don't like being told I can't do something. People tell me all the time, "You can't do that on Linux." I prove them wrong about 85% of the time.

B) Windoze has become SO bloated over the years. I get tired of building a new computer every time I upgrade Windoze. You would think the computer I built less than a year ago would handle Vista just fine. Yea right!

C) I'm a media nut and do not appreciate all the DRM crap they've plagued Vista with.

D) While XP can run pretty sweet once you rip all the crap out, using something like nlite, it's dated technology. They will be cutting support for it the second they can get away with it. They've already changed the time frame on this a couple times.

E) I like to learn new things. I pretty much reached my plateau with Windoze/Servers and I was really starting to get tired of it. With Ubuntu, I learn something new every day.

I guess the moral of the story is, don't despair because Linux will get there. Just look where Linux was 5 years ago (we've come a long way). Once more people get on the bandwagon, developers will start offering more support in the way of Linux drivers and software. If you have some programming skills, you should ask if you can help. Every little bit helps. If I could program, I would have started doing this already.

[ceecryts]

hi

im new to this forum and a fan ubuntu linux myself. but what i have found to be interesting is that every one complains about windows but why is the linux community still building software for windows when your getting nothing back. if you ever want to see support for hellgate london well let microsoft buy its way into linux like what they did with apple. unfortunately thats the only way anything will run and be supported in linux. also one other thing if your leaving in australia you would already know that microsoft australia is only distrubing windows to all major store so there is no hope for linux support if thats there atitude. sorry to disappoint