Open source alternative for Cedega

[Martje_001]

Hi,
Maby we should develop an open source cedega? Something like wine-doors, but then for games.

What do you think?

[Jeanpaul145]

I don't think that this is realistic, seeing as how an almost dedicated company still has it's hands full with Cedega.

But it's a nice idea nonetheless:popcorn:

[Sahtor]

we could call it "Is Not Emulator"...

Cedega as in GTK program that lists your games isnt really high up in request list. Those Direct3D patches are.

[Kray]

Report bugs, regressions and contrib code to Wine (if you can). Sorry, but it is only valid way atm.

Cedega is starting to looks pale when compared to Wine, because it is Wine when true development is made. Cedega has one main advantage - support for copy protections.

Of course buying Linux games is another nice way, but since it looks that both ID Software and Epic gave up I think that we are not supposed to see new titles :/

[elijahbenraam]

I've had Cedega. Not one game that I installed through it worked. One was on a copy protected disk and one was very old game and everything in between. So to me - Cedega sucks! The only real solution is for games to be developed for linux as well as Windows and Macs but is that really going to happen?!

[desertboy]

A friend installed Cedega for me not long after I installed Ubuntu. I didn't know it was proprietary software at the time and used it for 2 months to play command and conquer. (I though it was a front end for wine not the old Winex which I knew of) Since I discovered I was running a pirate I decided to try wine and although install issues are greater in wine and you need to download cracks for the games I think it works better with my limited selection of games than cedega did (Version 6.something). C&C TW runs faster in wine and call of duty 2 worked fine as did half life 2, Lost Planet worked in neither (going to have to reinstall Vista for that I think.)

I think Cedega's days are numbered a pity for transgaming but Wine's just getting better and better at a rate that's surpassing them and it's free in all senses of the word.

I think wine is finally maturing into the product it's show promise to be.

[snake444]

wine need to make some gui like cedega did, and not command line
so more people will use it and wont buy cedega:)

[sneax]

Cedega isn't that special, for me it only had problems and then I tried wine and everything worked almost without problem. I thought wine would be harder but it wasn't.

Crossover Office is much better then Cedega for the programs they support.

[Last.Karrde]

I find wine alot better than Cedega. Somehow Cedega feels clunky to me and also im not paying $5 a month for a GUI front end.

[Jeff250]

Of course buying Linux games is another nice way, but since it looks that both ID Software and Epic gave up I think that we are not supposed to see new titles :/

Epic's UT3 will support Linux:
http://utforums.epicgames.com/showpost.php?p=24890693&postcount=25

There is hope for id:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=302231&cid=20671657

:)

[monoufo]

Theres a much better alternative. Give up PC games. They aren't as good and require expensive computers bough often to play. Get yourself a Wii, a DS, and maybe a 360 or ps3.

[vexorian]

wine need to make some gui like cedega did, and not command line
so more people will use it and wont buy cedega:)
gamers should just use the command line.

For god's sake when I was 12 I had to learn all the deals about editing config.sys and autoexec.bat to improve game performance on that old computer I had, when kids want to play they will do make effort! really.

[supernovus]

Theres a much better alternative. Give up PC games. They aren't as good and require expensive computers bough often to play. Get yourself a Wii, a DS, and maybe a 360 or ps3.

Dude, that's just crazy... PC games are in an entirely different arena than console games. Especially for those of us who enjoy making mods. Also, try comparing the graphics of say Oblivion on XBox360, then on a PC with say a GeForce 8800 card. The PC blows away the XBox. For some things consoles are great, I play XBox360 and PS3 with friends and have a Wii, but I don't intend on giving up on PC games.

[Kow]

WINE overall works fine for me. Every Windows app/game I have needed to run in WINE has run in WINE with little or no issues. IMO, at this point in time wine and cedega are not too far apart. Correct me if I am wrong but cedega and wine were once the same project.

[leech]

WINE overall works fine for me. Every Windows app/game I have needed to run in WINE has run in WINE with little or no issues. IMO, at this point in time wine and cedega are not too far apart. Correct me if I am wrong but cedega and wine were once the same project.

Cedega is a fork of Wine that was commercialized before Wine changed it's license, mostly to prevent what Transgaming did. So Cedega is based off of an older version of Wine, and has added some things like Safedisk ect so that it can work with copy protected games. They also add Direct3D patches, though it seems to me it's more of a "let's patch World of Warcraft for this bug, and hope that other games don't regress." style of development for it.

Leech

[| MM |]

Theres a much better alternative. Give up PC games. They aren't as good and require expensive computers bough often to play. Get yourself a Wii, a DS, and maybe a 360 or ps3.

You'vew clearly been playing the wrong PC games. Orange Box.

[snake444]

gamers should just use the command line.

For god's sake when I was 12 I had to learn all the deals about editing config.sys and autoexec.bat to improve game performance on that old computer I had, when kids want to play they will do make effort! really.

with that attitude you want to atract people to use linux? that thay should learn command line?

if more games were supported by wine + it had a userfriendly gui = more gamers will come to linux

[grendelkhan]

gamers should just use the command line.

For god's sake when I was 12 I had to learn all the deals about editing config.sys and autoexec.bat to improve game performance on that old computer I had, when kids want to play they will do make effort! really.

And trying for hours making custom boot disks that freed up an extra 10k of memory just to play Tie Fighter and MechWarrior!

Get off my lawn you dam kids! I've still got a 1 MB stick of memory I paid $400 for that I'll throw at you!

[lemonade]

if more games were supported by wine + it had a userfriendly gui = more gamers will come to linux

Imho, linux community doesn't need more gamers using wine - linux needs gamers that buy and use games that are made natively for linux. If people buy games that are designed for Windows why would they want to play them in Linux?

[jasay]

And trying for hours making custom boot disks that freed up an extra 10k of memory just to play Tie Fighter and MechWarrior!

Get off my lawn you dam kids! I've still got a 1 MB stick of memory I paid $400 for that I'll throw at you!I love Tie Fighter, but I only have a 4mb stick of ram that my dad paid $200 for, guess you win.

[disturbedite]

if there weren't so many replies already i would have said "there is, its called wine." ;)

[vexorian]

with that attitude you want to atract people to use linux? that thay should learn command line?

if more games were supported by wine + it had a userfriendly gui = more gamers will come to linux
- Command line is fine, really. There is a lot of people out there that think having to learn the command line is the worst thing that could happen to you, but some of the people I met learned command line fairly easily and not GUI as easy... For ages there was only command line and it has not stopped a lot of people to use computers, in fact it looks like GUI has made things harder to learn for people, it requires a lot of abstraction.

- The kind of gamers that want to run latest games are either power users or lazy, and they are either young or computer geeks. If they are lazy they will leave Linux anyways out of their over conformist attitude. If they are the other kind of gamer they can take the command line.


- I am not saying nothing should be done, but I think that there are other things we should focus on before games... We should try making scanners work, and all hardware without command line (since it is the demon, apparentally) and then we can start to worry about games. Afterall, most PC gamers are casual gamers so they will be fine with gnome's default games...

[thtrgremlin]

The most obvious thing here that hasn't been mentioned directly is that Wine is the open source project and Cedega, like crossover office are commercial forks. Cedega is really just a collection of of settings related to information easily obtainable from the web with a little searching. I have never gotten anything to work in cedega I couldn't make work in Wine in an hour of hunting around not knowing what I was doing.

Something that might help you a bit, and might be a reasonable development suggestion is to add winecfg to the system administration menu. I think there may be plenty of people that don't even know about it.

The only thing I can think to add to make things a a little easier would be rather than just system administration -> winecfg would be a simple menu to pick winecfg, regedit, dxconf(sp?), etc. I can say in my learning curve of tweaking wine that discovering that those tools existed in wine were the biggest hurdle.

Think something like that is more concrete and do-able? It would be nice, but certainly not as much of a necessity as many other things. Thoughts?

If wine was going to become a greater priority for Ubuntu, diagnostic tools like "this program is attempting to use features included in DX10. It is unlikely this program will be workable. See WineHQ.com for further details". Some things work, and some things don't, and telling people that things won't work as opposed to just crashing would make wine a bit more polished.

Thoughts?

[RAOF]

The most obvious thing here that hasn't been mentioned directly is that Wine is the open source project and Cedega, like crossover office are commercial forks. Cedega is really just a collection of of settings related to information easily obtainable from the web with a little searching. I have never gotten anything to work in cedega I couldn't make work in Wine in an hour of hunting around not knowing what I was doing.

Then you've been patching out the copy-protection from your game executables, obviously :). Cedega does have some significant code additions, mainly around making copy-protection work.


Something that might help you a bit, and might be a reasonable development suggestion is to add winecfg to the system administration menu. I think there may be plenty of people that don't even know about it.
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Isn't this already in the Ubuntu packages (but not the winehq packages)?

[thtrgremlin]

Then you've been patching out the copy-protection from your game executables, obviously :). Cedega does have some significant code additions, mainly around making copy-protection work.

I guess I spoke too quickly. I wasn't aware of that part. Personally I haven't gotten cedega to do anything wine couldn't with some tweaking, but I haven't gotten any game (being a couple) to work that had copy protection. However, I will say that cedega does take all the work out of tweaking games to get them to work well, such as WoW. I am delighted to hear that others have gotten more out of cedega

Isn't this already in the Ubuntu packages (but not the winehq packages)?

It was in feisty, and I don't see it in Gutsy. However if that is still being worked on in some way, the fiesty rendition could use some significant usability polishing. For example, dxdiag isn't in there by default.

[foerdi]

In my gentoo days there you could compile crossover and use it

Why don't we have crossover in the repos

[monoufo]

what's the point? You'd still need a serial code to make it worst past so many days. Either buy it and use the packages provided, or pirate it.

Also, who wants copy protection in their games? Let's assume you actually have a legal copy of the game. I know I have a few I'd like to play again. I sitll wouldn't want copy protection. Who wants to insert a CD/DVD to play a game? I get patches or better yet, mini images for all my games, purchased or not.

[thtrgremlin]

well, 2 things, crossover office trial is in the commercial repo for feisty., and as far as I know virtually none of the commercial software has been updated for gutsy yet like VMWare, which I hope they fix soon. 2nd, while codeweavers is open source, it isn't free (hence commercial) at $40.

Also, additinally, codeweavers is the productivity counter part to cedegas work on games. While it does support some games at a "silver" rank (like 9, including some oldies), it really isn't intended for games.

[durand]

ID hasn't given up completely....Quake wars for linux was recently released..

[soxs]

I just got cedega running yesterday... and now? Steam does not work with cedega - bump!
Warcraft3roc/tft run fine, no glitches like with wine (atm LAN and b.net play don't work with wine :( ).. but well, makes my PC freeze randomly...

I did not try to play C&C generals (well, in Germany it's getting sold as "Generäle", so the .msi file isn't recognized correctly which makes the installer fail -.-)

So I have to install winxp again since I really like playing wc3, but I am not really happy about that... (maybe some of you can give me compile instructions which allows me to play wc3 in multiplayermode again for version 9.45 which was the last that did not have that special bug, thx)

Edit: Cedega suxxs!

[bruce89]

It's called wine. Cedega is ripped off of an old version of wine when it was liberally licenced.

[Tux0r]

This made me lol because it's true.

[pacsum]

Cedega is the worst, seriously, it sucks and the worse is you have to pay for it ](*,)[-(

[escobar_]

I couldn't get Steam running on Cedega, instead it runs perfectly on Wine. Therefore Wine > Cedega.

[Pwnzor1130]

Couldn't you run games inside a free Virtual desktop program such as Virtualbox? just asking...

[dagrump]

Well now, I have an old toshiba w/ dos 6.22 & windows 3.11, W/ a whopping 4 mb of ram, every once in great while I break it out for some wolfenstien3d.
There are some games I'd love to play w/o the issue of dealing w/ XP, but I just resigned myself that Redmond makes a good OS for games but I would not suggest it for much else, it's much too unstable, requires too much work to maintain.
Oh & old laptops they really aren't for your lap, that causes bad issues.
Now I need an 5 1/4 inch floppy drive for the ancient hardware stack to go w/ the zip drive, & the funky slide in drive drawer.(that I've lost the key for)

[RAOF]

Couldn't you run games inside a free Virtual desktop program such as Virtualbox? just asking...

Generally, no. Games tend to require 3D hardware, and virtualising the 3D card is a non-trivial problem. Some of the proprietary virtualisation programs are starting to grow experimental support for this.