Major software upgrades in Hardy

[m94mni]

Hi!

I will post to this thread once I see major version upgrades of important software packages. Please feel free to contribute upgrades YOU find important.

So far, no important upgrades have been made, except for gcc and build tools.

[Zdravko]

Hi m94mni (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=123688)!
Thanks in advance! I wait for anything new in anticipation! I will follow this release very carefully!

Best regards!

[ubulette]

The new toolchain is all I need to move my buildbot from gutsy to hardy. debootstrap is not there yet (but it's trival to fix).

The most visible part so far is base-files :)


$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description: Ubuntu hardy (development branch)
Release: 8.04
Codename: hardy
$ cat /etc/issue
Ubuntu hardy (development branch) \n \l

[m94mni]

Description: Ubuntu hardy (development branch)


Yay!

[m94mni]

xorg-server 2:1.4-3ubuntu1

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server

finally the 1.4 xserver! See http://www.x.org/wiki/Server14Branch

[snake444]

deluge torrent has new version and the current version is very buggy
www.deluge-torrent.org

[x0as]

The release version of gimp 2.4.0 went into Debian sid this morning, shouldn't take long to get into Hardy.

[m94mni]

deluge torrent has new version and the current version is very buggy
www.deluge-torrent.org

This has not yet reached Hardy - the version in hardy is still same as in gutsy

[plun]

I would like to see a metapackage for gstreamer, alsa core and pulseaudio.

http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup

(and pulseaudio as standard)

EDIT article about the Gnome challenge and Pulseaudio
http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/10/17/pulseaudio-to-bring-earcandy-to-linux

[m94mni]

gnumeric (1.7.13-1ubuntu1)

(gutsy has 1.7.11)

[ccw]

A lot of stuff is waiting to hit the repos somewhere. A fraction of these actually are available at the moment.

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-October/date.html

[Kow]

I find "nvdock" a nice add-in for those with an nvidia card using nvidia's proprietary drivers. I say this because settings such as Digital Vibrance do not take effect on a fresh boot until you open the nvidia display settings. With nvdock these settings are loaded upon starting nvdock. I added this to the auto-start in Sessions and now I have a nice nvidia icon in the system tray and my custom display settings are applied whenever I login. :)

http://www.opsat.net/user/bob/projects/nvdock

Using make && make install worked like a charm so it may just be a very easy debian script. It also supports nvclock if you have it installed (for overclocking.)

[syxbit]

distrowatch makes it easy, as they have dev releases, and show almost all important packages.

I have a question about PulseAudio. Fedora 8 is going to have it, but is it a complete replacement of ALSA, or does it work in conjuction.

[pferraro]

I have a question about PulseAudio. Fedora 8 is going to have it, but is it a complete replacement of ALSA, or does it work in conjuction.

No - it is a complete replacement for Enlightenment Sound Daemon (ESD).

[RAOF]

I find "nvdock" a nice add-in for those with an nvidia card using nvidia's proprietary drivers. I say this because settings such as Digital Vibrance do not take effect on a fresh boot until you open the nvidia display settings. With nvdock these settings are loaded upon starting nvdock. I added this to the auto-start in Sessions and now I have a nice nvidia icon in the system tray and my custom display settings are applied whenever I login. :)

http://www.opsat.net/user/bob/projects/nvdock

Using make && make install worked like a charm so it may just be a very easy debian script. It also supports nvclock if you have it installed (for overclocking.)

Go nuts (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment#NewPackages)! However, you can also just run "nvidia-settings --load-config-only", either in your startup, or adding it to your ~/.xinitrc file (creating it if necessary).

distrowatch makes it easy, as they have dev releases, and show almost all important packages.

I have a question about PulseAudio. Fedora 8 is going to have it, but is it a complete replacement of ALSA, or does it work in conjuction.

ALSA is the sound-driver level, pretty much. PulseAudio is higher level: it makes it easy for applications to just play a sound (like ESD), and does other funky stuff like mixing, per-application (technically, per-stream) volume control, network transparency etc.

[Kow]

However, you can also just run "nvidia-settings --load-config-only", either in your startup, or adding it to your ~/.xinitrc file (creating it if necessary).


Danke. I did not know of this parameter.

[m94mni]

valknut - graphical client for Direct Connect
Version 0.3.11-0ubuntu2 uploaded

alsa-driver (1.0.15-2ubuntu1) - I've run 1.0.15 for a while because of bugs in 1.0.14.

[ccw]

2.21 branch GNOME as begun to trickle in.

I just got gnome-system-monitor (2.21.2-0ubuntu1)

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-November/001451.html

I would expect to see the rest of GNOME 2.21.2 within the next day.

[pressureman]

You know, you could just subscribe to the RSS feed here:

http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/newpkg_main.en.rdf

[ccw]

You know, you could just subscribe to the RSS feed here:

http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/newpkg_main.en.rdf

That's for initial releases into ubuntu...

This is what you want:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/

[ssam]

or these http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/

[jasay]

or these http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/
Hey that's pretty sweet. Thanks!

[JanDM]

New versions of evolution and vino.

Usplash pulsates now (first part).

[Hairy_Palms]

ill wait to upgrade till the 2.6.23 kernel hits hardy or the 2.6.24 if they skip 2.6.23

[mabovo]

ill wait to upgrade till the 2.6.23 kernel hits hardy or the 2.6.24 if they skip 2.6.23
I think 2.6.24 is already decided although it's pretended to be released one week before the launch.:)

[Kow]

New Totem release... main repository package.

[amano]

Err.

They will stick with usplash then, if they keep fiddling with it. Which is a bad decision.
Featurewise there will be no switching to verbose mode on the fly then.

The transition to Gnome 2.21.2 is a slow one. There are still some Gnome packages coming in (yeah, a new totem is there now).

I see that the gio-standalone package is in now. That is an indicaton, that they actually want to ship with the new gvfs.

I heard that this might bring some performance improvements. Let's hope that it will get stable in time.

I don't know how pulseaudio (the other big reconstruction under the hood) will behave performancewise, but at least gvfs and the cfs sheduler indicate that hardy might become a performance beast.

[m94mni]

Well, I'm trying to filter out the major packages as a service to the users here. You're free to not read it. And yes, this *is* taken from the hardy-changes list.

Like now for example, browsing through about 300 uploads, the most interesting change was

evolution_2.21

...

[amano]

Wow. This is an interesting package: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-November/001738.html

Pulseaudio 0.9.7 hit main now...

[asimon]

Pulseaudio 0.9.7 hit main now...
I am not impressed. So far pulseaudio gave my only problems (especially with legacy application) but no sound. I hope they will be able to fix most of the problems for the next release. Currently it's everything but ready for a LTS release.

[aamukahvi]

I am not impressed. So far pulseaudio gave my only problems (especially with legacy application) but no sound. I hope they will be able to fix most of the problems for the next release. Currently it's everything but ready for a LTS release.
It's not even used by default, how could it cause you problems?

[asimon]

It's not even used by default, how could it cause you problems?
By using and testing it? Packages are already available for Gutsy, SID, and it's used in Fedora 8 by default. I played with pulseaudio in all three of them.

[aamukahvi]

By using and testing it? Packages are already available for Gutsy, SID, and it's used in Fedora 8 by default. I played with pulseaudio in all three of them.
Ok, so I was being a little obtuse :P

1. Obviously there will be some compatibility issues with old software
2. When PA is made default there will also be the best possible default settings (meaning the testing packages may not give the full experience if you do not know how to correctly configure them).
3. Even if there are some issues, I think it's a price worth paying.
4. "I read somewhere" that 0.9.7 fixes most of the issues that were there before. I don't remember what and I could remember wrong.

BTW, did you have issues in Fedora? Were you able to overcome them?

[asimon]

BTW, did you have issues in Fedora?
Amongst others:
* Bug 384731: Pulseaudio unable to open alsa device with certain Intel hardware (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=384731)
* Bug 366001: PulseAudio distorts audio (over amplification) (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=366001)
* Bug 373881: Clean install F8 running kde gives pulseaudio crash (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=373881), it looks there is now a workaround for this issue

Pulseaudio has problems with some old games, like UT, Doom3, etc. So far I was unable to get any (undistorted) sound from any of them as long as the pulseaudio daemon is running. :-)

According to upstreams bugtracker the alsa emulation of pulseaudio is far from complete which is cause for a lot of problems (skype for example) with various apps.

Xine support (amarok and other players) of pulseaudio has a lof of defects too.

[usien]

i think firefox 3 and vlc 0.9 will also be released before hardy release and will be included.(firefox 3 by default and vlc in the repos?)

[jordiR]

When will VLC 0.9 be released??

[usien]

i dont think there is a set date for it (atleast i dont know about it) but from what i understand from here:
http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/roadmap

it should be ready for hardy.
you can get nightly builds for 0.9 though.

[jordiR]

In the website that you attached says that the final release is expected for the 1st January 2008, although it could be some delays I also think that with this timeline VLC 0.9 definitely should be included in Hardy, there is enough time to fix bugs, I think is 3 months before the UVF.

The first test will be released tomorrow!!

[Zdravko]

What first test?

[amano]

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-November/001861.html

This is cool: The first gvfs upload ist done.

And they enabled ConsoleKit and PolicyKit in hal: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-November/001898.html This means that more flexibility is coming to the user rights...


And yeah, the final Gimp 2.4.1 is in now as well.

[amano]

On a sidenote. PolicyKit integration is the first blueprint that is considered "good progress" on launchpad. It seems that Martin Pitt will be finishing iit soon.

Currently he seems to have had problems with power management. While replacing libpam-foreground with PolicyKit Hibernate and Suspend broke. But it seems to work compiling the gnome powermanagement with neither libpam-foreground nor PolicyKit enabled: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-November/002012.html

[aamukahvi]

PulseAudio
Milestone 0.9.8

Completed 3 days ago (11/22/07 01:00:01)

Add bluetooth proximity module. Just pair your phone and have PA turn down the volume when you leave with your phone and turn it up again if you come back.
Bunch of other stuff

(This is not yet in Hardy but seems cool anyway)

[JanDM]

According to Phoronix, RadeonHD 1.0 is in (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjIzNg). Someone using it already? (I don't have an ATI-card)