Microsoft must be really scared

[rjwood]

Starting to look pretty obvious to me that there are quit a few "new brews" here backing eachother up with program complaints and difficulties. Maybe I am just a liitle paranoid. I wonder how much Microsoft pays to be on these forums. Wow!! what a complement to Ubuntu. If Im right---go back and tell Bill he has a right to be worried. George may be willing to sacrafice american boy's lives to protect Bill Gates precious money toy company as well as the rest of his friends but, Ubuntu is here and all the money in the world will not stop it. This is a community, not a business. People are helping each other here, not figuring out ways to get their mony from them. There is a balance between consumerism and community. You Microsoft people should take a liite time and think about it, rather than worrying about running from being poor. Thanks for bringing the passion back in my life Bil and George :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P

[weasel fierce]

I doubt anyone here is paid by microsoft. They create plenty of FUD on their own :)

[void_false]

You Microsoft people should take a liite time and think about it, rather than worrying about running from being poor.
LOL. I'll make a beer party when m$ consider itself broke. \\:D/

[KingBahamut]

This post should be pushed to Community, Moders.

[rjwood]

LOL. I'll make a beer party when m$ consider itself broke. \\:D/
Well that would be nice but, I meant on a personal level

[Kvark]

Hmm, so bill gates is secretly still in charge of microsoft and they pay special agents to pretend to be newbies in trouble on the ubuntu forums and the real reason behind `george's war' (the one in iraq i guess?) is to stop ubuntu from gaining ground on the desktop side and all this brings passion to your life...

Wtf have you been smoking rjwood??? :?

[rjwood]

Hmm, so bill gates is secretly still in charge of microsoft and they pay special agents to pretend to be newbies in trouble on the ubuntu forums and the real reason behind `george's war' (the one in iraq i guess?) is to stop ubuntu from gaining ground on the desktop side and all this brings passion to your life...

Wtf have you been smoking rjwood??? :?
lol - not smoking the right stuff I guess!!!! I mean well
do I sound like a computer geek out of a stephen king movie???

[rjwood]

I should probably be insulted Kvark by your simplified spin of my thought process. I am not though. I will however point out to you and whoever else, that if you dont think that Microsoft (ie. Bill Gates as a reference) does not feel threatened by open sourse (Ubuntuin particular as it is the most popular version out there) then you are neive, Also, if you dont realize that when you hear government officials say things like "they dont like our culture" that they are referring to our corporate culture which supports our system of 'job creation' then again I say that you must be very young and innocent. And yes my passion is fed by freedom, not just my freedom of owning a house as I do, but my childrens future freedoms. Expression without being dragged into court for saying somthing that some corporation has patented. Anyway thanks for the amusement and the opportunity to clear that up. :-P :-P :-P

[BWF89]

George may be willing to sacrafice american boy's lives to protect Bill Gates precious money toy company as well as the rest of his friends but,
:lol:

[Kvark]

I should probably be insulted Kvark by your simplified spin of my thought process. I am not though. I will however point out to you and whoever else, that if you dont think that Microsoft (ie. Bill Gates as a reference) does not feel threatened by open sourse (Ubuntuin particular as it is the most popular version out there) then you are neive, Also, if you dont realize that when you hear government officials say things like "they dont like our culture" that they are referring to our corporate culture which supports our system of 'job creation' then again I say that you must be very young and innocent. And yes my passion is fed by freedom, not just my freedom of owning a house as I do, but my childrens future freedoms. Expression without being dragged into court for saying somthing that some corporation has patented. Anyway thanks for the amusement and the opportunity to clear that up. :-P :-P :-P
I just found your specific thought proccess there funny and posted how it sounded to me.

But maybe I shouldn't have sounded like all the concern about 'George & Bill' was a joke. To give a serious comment/spin on it... Well, it is in the nature of corporations to do their best to elliminate competition. Also, I am well aware of that the current versions of democracy and free market are, while better then feudal monarchy, far from perfect, development still has a long way to go. I guess if you are on top (as monarchs where before and USA + big corporations are now), then change can only bring you in one direction so you do your best to fortify the current system.

[rjwood]

Thank You Kvark for the response. You may-be right but, my gut tells me different. I agree that the 'natural' course of business is to elliminate the compitition but thru a better or more conducive product or environment. That is not what is happening today. Control is the order of corporations now. That I think is dangerous.This is beginning to look like democrocy 'run-a-muck'. The most frieghtening thing about it is that it doesn't matter what your polictical preference is, it looks like to fortify the current system is too much damage to individual rights. I am not a person who normally sees the glass half-empty but this is not a promising time for the average joe.

[jobezone]

Hmm, so bill gates is secretly still in charge of microsoft and they pay special agents to pretend to be newbies in trouble on the ubuntu forums and the real reason behind `george's war' (the one in iraq i guess?) is to stop ubuntu from gaining ground on the desktop side and all this brings passion to your life...

Wtf have you been smoking rjwood??? :?

I once read, somewhere in Caldera's DR-DOS documentation for their trial against Microsoft for unfair competition (available on the net), a e-mail conversation between Microsoft programmers and managers. They were discussing what a exact error message should appear in the screen if sit was detected that someone was installing their Window3.0 in DR-DOS. There were no compatibility problems, as DR-DOS was commonly known at the time of being better than DOS, so they wanted to create a fake error message that would look credible but impossible to understand. This would create fear in the people's mind of using DR-DOS under Win3.1, or, if ever Windows had a problem, users would link it with that first error message .

[Kvark]

Thank You Kvark for the response. You may-be right but, my gut tells me different. I agree that the 'natural' course of business is to elliminate the compitition but thru a better or more conducive product or environment. That is not what is happening today. Control is the order of corporations now. That I think is dangerous.This is beginning to look like democrocy 'run-a-muck'. The most frieghtening thing about it is that it doesn't matter what your polictical preference is, it looks like to fortify the current system is too much damage to individual rights. I am not a person who normally sees the glass half-empty but this is not a promising time for the average joe.
Not only to provide a better product but also to prevent competition through 'other means' is in the nature of large corporations. Legal risks/costs is just like any other risk or cost to them, if the benefits are worth it, then why not.

I think USA and friends will find it well worth it to get rid of individual rights in order to stay on top.

(hey, I never said I liked what 'George & Bill' does, I'm just saying it's pretty logical for them to do it)

[rjwood]

[QUOTE=KvarkI think USA and friends will find it well worth it to get rid of individual rights in order to stay on top.

(hey, I never said I liked what 'George & Bill' does, I'm just saying it's pretty logical for them to do it)[/QUOTE]

Yikes---------------you are naive!!!

[Kvark]

Yikes---------------you are naive!!!
Yikes? ------ If you don't like it when people are naive (and you really shouldn't like it, few things are as dangerous as naive people in notable numbers) then you should do something to shake em out of that naiveness.

[npaladin2000]

Yikes? ------ If you don't like it when people are naive (and you really shouldn't like it, few things are as dangerous as naive people in notable numbers) then you should do something to shake em out of that naiveness.

Problem is, there's no way to get them to stop watching Fox News and it's subsonic brainwashing. :)

[skoal]

[...] That is not what is happening today. Control is the order of corporations now. [...]
No, it isn't. Far from it. Every industry has competition. They consolidate, reorganize, or what have you - all in the name of market share, in a _highly_ competitive environment whether you or I (as the consumer) see those lurking boogeymen or not. I've run a business before, and even the postman looked at me funny sometimes - no doubt a secret agent working for my competition. In business, paranoia is the order of the day...

When Netscape rolled out and had a monopoly, yes _monopoly_, on the browser market, it was Microsoft's response to tightly integrate IE into their desktop and adopt their own suite of "standards" in hope of _future_ market share. It worked. Why not? I like to use the analogy to GM products tightly integrating OnStar into their vehicles some time ago, when others _had_ the chance as well. If you choose not to use OnStar, try removing it from your Escalade. You should have purchased a Ford or Chrysler instead. Caveat Emptor. Don't tell me Ford and Chrysleer wish they hadn't thought of that first. Where's the federal lawsuit against GM? Too bad Netscape didn't have an OS at the time...

Even before that, Microsoft had the likes of Apple, IBM, SCO, and countless others fighting for desktop share.

Even after that, and currently, Microsoft has the likes of even stiffer competition. Google anyone? How soon before they roll out their own OS. On top of all that, the big 3 (HP, IBM, Intel) are working on their own linux distro. Throwing a little more Vodka onto the fire, governments and corporations are using testbed inhouse linux desktops for select departments, all in an effort to lessen license arrangements. See the competition? WWBGD? Yes, what would Bill Gates do? What any corporation would do - make concessions, offer alternatives, develop proprietary systems, and/or solidify current product offerings, all in response to holding market share. Control? Hardly. Proactive Consolidation? Definitely. What's so unique or difficult to understand about that concept in application to Microsoft's practice? Why are no parallels drawn to other similiar businesses in other markets? I don't get it. Never have in all my years while reading Linux forums. Weird. Microsoft is no more unique than Frito Lays not disclosing manufacturing techniques for rolling out a potato chip. Just weird...

* That's the tangible dynamics of capitalism. We live in it, and we succumb to it. It's evolution over time within a democracy, progressively taking many different forms, as in our own or as in China's own Communapitalism. Shoot, China has been purchasing Energy and Manufacturing companies in the US like wildfire in recent years. Control? No. That's no different than Japan and our technology sector in the 80s. Do they control our technology sector currently? Hardly. Control? Absolutely not. echo "Market control" | sed 's/control/response/'. Eventually, our own trend (in the US) is towards something more akin to a Corporate Republic. You either embrace the ferocity of change and competition in Market based economies, or shake your stick at people as they pass you by at the Soup kitchen. I for one welcome my new Ferengi overlords! Hail Bill! Hail Shuttleworth! By the way, in 2024, don't blame me. I will vote for Kodos...

\\//_

p.s. Bill Gates, you have my paypal account on file. I thank you in advance...

[sapo]

Hmm, so bill gates is secretly still in charge of microsoft and they pay special agents to pretend to be newbies in trouble on the ubuntu forums and the real reason behind `george's war' (the one in iraq i guess?) is to stop ubuntu from gaining ground on the desktop side and all this brings passion to your life...

Wtf have you been smoking rjwood??? :?
People are stupid.. they dont need to be paid to defend windows -_-

[rolfotto]

Before we all hail Bill for his innovation at taking capitalism to heart let's remember that one of the nice things about the software industry is the potential low barrier of entry - depending on what you want to do - like write THE next killer app/game/whathaveyou - but that may die within the next years with software patents.

While corporations have always tried to cut down competition - Disney has long learned that bribing/donating campaign funds to various officials has better results than the old sticking in some work and see what is sown method.

In the past, Disney has sucessfully lobbied to push copyright from the author's lifetime plus 20 years to 80+ years - this is the company that took so willingly the public domain works of Brother's Grimm to build their empire. Look up sometime to see what they do to anybody who wants to reinterpret their work (or nonwork in case of animated fairytales that existed before Walt was in diapers).

In a similiar vein, the software industry wants to legislate software patents in Europe (think they already have in America and that legislation gave us such innovations like Amazon's 1-Click patent) not to protect that million dollar idea - but to kill any small competitition that happens to come along while the bigboys sign cross-patent agreements among themselves.

Sadly, it seems the future is in the hands of politicians - not for the consumers to decide.........

Stories like this give me hope:
http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html

But scare me with how much power the BSA have - again gained by lobbying politicians.

[jobezone]

Competition is fine, when there are rules which everyone must follow. Microsoft has managed to get away with bending and breaking them over the years. As a punishment, they usually only get a slap on the wrist.

Companies buy each other out, so they can kill the competition. A company's wet dream is to be the only one in the market. Take a look at this chart: http://www.mediachannel.org/ownership/chart.shtml

[rjwood]

Well SKOAL, I can see you have a real opinion about this subject. Good for you! I am happy to engage you. If you are correct, then all is fine and well in the marketplace. I think it is if you have the ticket in. Speaking of frito lay-I can remember when grocery stores would fight for your business. Today you have to join the club and pay money to save. I dont get that. Today you have to fill out applications to get a bonus card or savings card if you want to shop and save. You have to submit to a urine test to get a job or fill out a personality profile to see if you fit. JObs are no longer anything other than a reward for good behavior. I think Bill Gates lost his way somewhere. Isnt he the one who dropped out of college? Wasn't he some sort of rebel geek, or geek rebel??
I have also been in many business's in my time and I just am happy that I have never on any long term basis bought into the notion that business have any interests in mind other than the bottom line. Put them out and recall them is GM,Ford and Chryslers motto. Never mind the publics safety. as long as we all have a job its ok. On-Star you make that sound wonderful GM's only reason to do that was to raise the price of the vehicles. After a grace period-0-dont you pay for that annually or monthly?? just more money. Lets see you now have on-star and a cell phone emergency lights a horn. in your giant Escalade that looks like a tank. Looks to me like the only people who are really paranoid are those feeding and being fed by corporations, Fear is good for only one thing---CONTROL.. It's all about control. Just like religion. Control!!!!!!!!!
I home schooled 3 of my 5 children. Before that, some teachers would tell me that they are so tough on kids because it a rough world out there (control) What is school?? if not to teach you how to stand in line quietly, sit when you are told raise your hand in order to speak and get a tag to use the bathroom (not control) your reward for your good behavior is of course an education that gives you some skill to function and ability to make a living. That is all most people get. Then of course there are those who really are passionate about this stuff who have throughly been convinced through all the parts of the structure that this is the way to go. YIKES!!!!!
Karl Jung warned us to ask ourselve the question "what myth am I living?" In order to call the self back to its center and not let any ideal become our God for any extended length of time. I know in todays corporate mindset you prbably dnot have time for that stuff. I entreat you do do it and and find the answer to that question.
I am an American citizen who believes in what this country shoud stand for. THE PEOPLE!! Not Corporate entities. I served during the vietnam era. I dont recall ever hearing about Lee Iacoca's Family memebers serving as I dont hear about any of Bill Gates family members serving. There was a time when those who had much to lose where in the front lines of battle. Not anymore. I dont like the evolution of todays business world. The ideals that I have, will pick you up even if you dont have much to offer at that time-- corporate values are different---they pick you only according to what you can contribute.. Not my kind of world!!! But I wont give up. I will engage people like you and hope to help you see through the fog of all the right and wrong that you have been taught and come to believe. I sure would love to have you and your passion on our side and maybe someday I will after your love affair with corporate socialism.

[neighborlee]

Starting to look pretty obvious to me that there are quit a few "new brews" here backing eachother up with program complaints and difficulties. Maybe I am just a liitle paranoid. I wonder how much Microsoft pays to be on these forums. Wow!! what a complement to Ubuntu. If Im right---go back and tell Bill he has a right to be worried. George may be willing to sacrafice american boy's lives to protect Bill Gates precious money toy company as well as the rest of his friends but, Ubuntu is here and all the money in the world will not stop it. This is a community, not a business. People are helping each other here, not figuring out ways to get their mony from them. There is a balance between consumerism and community. You Microsoft people should take a liite time and think about it, rather than worrying about running from being poor. Thanks for bringing the passion back in my life Bil and George :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P

you know this really isn't the place FOR it but since we do take freedoms seriously in this country..WTH..

I'm not sure your sentiments aren't a bit parnaoid ( entirely paranoid as we might have to consider that ubuntu actually has problems in some areas instead of shifting blame &/or newbies ARE using linux hence...) BUT having said that I must concur at least about the George XXXX part. I also feel like if he had really felt that firm about war, what about sending his own 2 giilrs there ?

I somehow figure if that ever came up he'd find a way to do what should have been done in the first place..find peace instead of war ( jesus ring a bell George ???: you supposed 'christian' )

speaking of such: jesus was pretty clear about such things (as were many many other well respected profits ) : love thy enemeies,,love thy neighbor,,Gerogie baby falls Flat on his face in both categories and is the worst pathetic excuse for a president we've ever had.

I want to reiterate about loving thy neighbor...something ubuntu does a dain good job of..so cheers ubuntu,,,and yes dear George and Bill..yes you need to worry . This IS a community for many clear reasons and it is on those principles that we will succede. We follow the tenants of one named jesus, and many before and after him echo them. Yes,,worry ;-)) ( or at least feel the heat of competition for users clamoring for freedom and virus free and stable environments ;-)

Okay, I've said my peace.

so peace out and return.

cheers
nl

[avinash_destiny]

wow

[LaRoza]

Three years old? http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5086471&postcount=22

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