i want to make a suggestion to the ubuntu team

[origr15]

in their next realse of ubuntu , they need to make it more simple to people (not me :) ) who are kinda noobs in this era . what i mean is that they should do something like this :

the installation starts.................................

the windows should pop up and ask - are you an expert or a novice - if novice selected it should configure all the partitions by it self ( by the assumption it asked if the guy wants to delete the drive or do it in the free space) , what i mean by that is it should configure the swap partition and ext3 (or the best partition for the home user at the time) and all of the mount points , it should ask if the user even wants a username and password - and if not in the desktop itself installing stuff and opening os stuff will not require password , and the should do something so pc games that work for windows will work for ubuntu (NOT WITH WINE IT IS ENOYING) , and for the last thing the ubuntu team need to create a little more software of their own like:
burning program , a messenger , a browser .

i think that when the ubuntu team will do all of the above they will beat windows in a week.
personally i have been using ubuntu for 3 and a half years and i like it but it missing some stuff that could make it the best os out there.
and before anyone tells me that i should have sent this suggestion to them , i dont know how...:lolflag:
so i said what i have to say here. :)

[Vadi]

Yeah, definitely agree. It's somewhat easier for Vista users to dualboot, but if you aren't, on it, ubuntu's patritioner is hellish to use..

[m0eman]

in their next realse of ubuntu , they need to make it more simple to people (not me :) ) who are kinda noobs in this era . what i mean is that they should do something like this :

the installation starts.................................

the windows should pop up and ask - are you an expert or a novice - if novice selected it should configure all the partitions by it self ( by the assumption it asked if the guy wants to delete the drive or do it in the free space) , what i mean by that is it should configure the swap partition and ext3 (or the best partition for the home user at the time) and all of the mount points , it should ask if the user even wants a username and password - and if not in the desktop itself installing stuff and opening os stuff will not require password , and the should do something so pc games that work for windows will work for ubuntu (NOT WITH WINE IT IS ENOYING) , and for the last thing the ubuntu team need to create a little more software of their own like:
burning program , a messenger , a browser .

i think that when the ubuntu team will do all of the above they will beat windows in a week.
personally i have been using ubuntu for 3 and a half years and i like it but it missing some stuff that could make it the best os out there.
and before anyone tells me that i should have sent this suggestion to them , i dont know how...:lolflag:
so i said what i have to say here. :)

I think the installation is made as simple as possible, so splitting it up wouldn't make much sense. Partitioning without informing the user is a high risk which could cause a lot of lost data. The user needs to have a user name and password, for doing root things, if all users were able to have superuser priveledges without a password, it would be a huge security risk. Automatic login for those who want it isn't a bad idea though. And the thing about PC Games is that most are made for windows, so using a tool like wine is the only way to play windows games in linux. And lastly, I don't think ubuntu should make its own software, there are already a great selection of software for ubuntu and creating ubuntu specific software is unessisary and time consuming.

[strabes]

it should configure all the partitions by it self ( by the assumption it asked if the guy wants to delete the drive or do it in the free space) , what i mean by that is it should configure the swap partition and ext3 (or the best partition for the home user at the time) and all of the mount pointsIt does this by default.

it should ask if the user even wants a username and password - and if not in the desktop itself installing stuff and opening os stuff will not require passwordThis is a security feature. Nothing can be installed and no system files can be changed without entering your password.


and the should do something so pc games that work for windows will work for ubuntu (NOT WITH WINE IT IS ENOYING)This is the responsibility of the manufacturers of the games, not ubuntu. Send a letter to the maker of your favorite game asking them to provide a linux version of their game. Better yet, tell them that you were going to buy their newest game but you found out that they didn't have a linux version so you decided not to. (only say this if it's true)

and for the last thing the ubuntu team need to create a little more software of their own like: burning program , a messenger , a browser.You mean like gnomebaker, pidgin, and firefox? The beauty of open source is that a vendor doesn't have to create software "of their own."

In the future please write complete sentences and try to use decent grammar. It makes it much easier to follow what you're saying.

[origr15]

your right they dont have to create thier own software but i think that if they create thier own software it would be the best one out there , for example a lot better then pidgin .
about the games what i meant was that the ubuntu team should contact game publishers and developers like EA and Ubisoft ... and make a deal with them or ask them to create games for ubuntu , EA has recantly started creating their games for both windows and mac , so if they make it for linux as well - what will they have to lose? they will only eran more money , it will be harder to create games because not all linux dists have the same ... ehh i forgot how to call it - like EXE or DEB or RPM , oh well u understand , but it will be worth it .
i said before that the partition part of my suggestion is - it will ask them if they want to delete the entire hard drive or just use the free space , and whatever they choose ( delete or use the free space) it would partition configure and install automatically .

[origr15]

ohh and about the username password thing - not all users want it for example me , and i know a couple of people who would agree , and if the user dont wnat a username and password - ALL STUFF IN THE OS ( SOFTWARE OR OS PREFERENCE LIKE SYNAPTIC ) WOULDNT ASK FOR A USERNAME OR PASSWORD.

[smartboyathome]

I don't think they SHOULD create their own software. I think that the software that is included is fine. What do you not like about Firefox, btw?

[Twintop]

ohh and about the username password thing - not all users want it for example me , and i know a couple of people who would agree , and if the user dont wnat a username and password - ALL STUFF IN THE OS ( SOFTWARE OR OS PREFERENCE LIKE SYNAPTIC ) WOULDNT ASK FOR A USERNAME OR PASSWORD.
Security is not something that can be or even should be disregarded for convenience. By your logic, why would people need a password on their e-mail? Banking logins? Just because a user might not want to be inconvenienced by having to enter a username/password combination doesn't mean they should be allowed to, especially for an account that would have super user rights because of sudo. Not having a password on the main account with sudo privileges would result in the same outcome of viruses, spyware, and botnets that plagues Windows. Aside from the fact that it protects users, there is also that it protects the reputation of Ubuntu (and Linux in general) by keeping it more difficult for "Bad Things"(TM) to happen because of a user's ignorance and inexperience.

[m0eman]

your right they dont have to create thier own software but i think that if they create thier own software it would be the best one out there , for example a lot better then pidgin.
I disagree, ubuntu's dev team wouldn't want to make their own applications if a perfectly good one already existed. The dev team could submit patches to and improve certain programs, but it wouldn't do a completely new one. In fact, pidgin's team specilizes in messaging more than ubuntu's dev team, so I think pidgin's team could make a better messenger.

about the games what i meant was that the ubuntu team should contact game publishers and developers like EA and Ubisoft ... and make a deal with them or ask them to create games for ubuntu , EA has
recantly started creating their games for both windows and mac , so if they make it for linux as well - what will they have to lose? they will only eran more money , it will be harder to create games because not all linux dists have the same ... ehh i forgot how to call it - like EXE or DEB or RPM , oh well u understand , but it will be worth it .
I'm sure game publishers are already receiving a ton of pressure from customers, distrobutions and so on. It's up to the game publishers to do it.

i said before that the partition part of my suggestion is - it will ask them if they want to delete the entire hard drive or just use the free space , and whatever they choose ( delete or use the free space) it would partition configure and install automatically
This already happens, guided partitioning.

ohh and about the username password thing - not all users want it for example me , and i know a couple of people who would agree , and if the user dont wnat a username and password - ALL STUFF IN THE OS ( SOFTWARE OR OS PREFERENCE LIKE SYNAPTIC ) WOULDNT ASK FOR A USERNAME OR PASSWORD.

A HUGE security risk. But you can configure it that way if you want it.

[origr15]

you guys are giving me the same answer every time , all i wanted is to make a suggestion to the ubuntu dev team.

ohh and Twintop when i meant they should ask if the user want a password and a username i didnt say the shuld make email without it and so on and so on...
cuz im not an idiot , what i meant is that they should ask if the user wants a password and a username .

[Choad]

you guys are giving me the same answer every time , all i wanted is to make a suggestion to the ubuntu dev team.

ohh and Twintop when i meant they should ask if the user want a password and a username i didnt say the shuld make email without it and so on and so on...
cuz im not an idiot , what i meant is that they should ask if the user wants a password and a username .
that's because you are making the same suggestions each time! making our own messenger/browser etc. would be redundant. it would waste valuable development time that could be more wisely spent either submitting patches to existing programs (ie pidgin) which would benefit everyone, or adding new core OS features.

as for the password thing, it is a very basic principle of security. if the user has permission to alter any file on the system, then so does any malicious program that gets in. it's a very small sacrifice to make for a huge gain in security. both mac OS X and windows vista do the same thing (in fact, i think mac uses the exact same program (sudo))

[slavik]

to the OP: from the first post it seems like you want Ubuntu to act the way Windows can which is NOT a good idea.

[Zdravko]

in their next realse of ubuntu , they need to make it more simple to people (not me :) ) who are kinda noobs in this era . what i mean is that they should do something like this :

the installation starts.................................

the windows should pop up and ask - are you an expert or a novice - if novice selected it should configure all the partitions by it self ( by the assumption it asked if the guy wants to delete the drive or do it in the free space) , what i mean by that is it should configure the swap partition and ext3 (or the best partition for the home user at the time) and all of the mount points , it should ask if the user even wants a username and password - and if not in the desktop itself installing stuff and opening os stuff will not require password , and the should do something so pc games that work for windows will work for ubuntu (NOT WITH WINE IT IS ENOYING) , and for the last thing the ubuntu team need to create a little more software of their own like:
burning program , a messenger , a browser .

i think that when the ubuntu team will do all of the above they will beat windows in a week.
personally i have been using ubuntu for 3 and a half years and i like it but it missing some stuff that could make it the best os out there.
and before anyone tells me that i should have sent this suggestion to them , i dont know how...:lolflag:
so i said what i have to say here. :)
I think it will be insulting for some people to be divided into novices and experts.

[23meg]

I think it will be insulting for some people to be divided into novices and experts.

The more important side effects are:

"Are you an expert or novice?" isn't really a question most people care to answer, thus many will just make a random choice
It's not a question most people are qualified to answer, especially upon confronting the installer of some unknown OS for the first time
People can be experts in one area of the OS, and novices in another, and something in between in another
With modal interfaces, you have bear with the entire interface changing to get to one function

[Zdravko]

Sorry, but how should I know what my level is?

[origr15]

how should you know your level?
just think if your good at linux :
can you start the os (this was a joke no need to responde)
can you use high fetchers like compiz-fusion (so easy to use)
can you install stuff
can you do anything this is how you could know...


LOL?:popcorn::popcorn::guitar:

[23meg]

how should you know your level?
just think if your good at linux :
can you start the os (this was a joke no need to responde)
can you use high fetchers like compiz-fusion (so easy to use)
can you install stuff
can you do anything this is how you could know...


Part of the point is, it's not reasonable to expect people to be able to determine these things at the installation stage, which is possibly before they've ever used the OS.

Can they install stuff.. well, do they really know? Have they ever installed anything on Ubuntu or other Linux based OS? One of the most frequently asked questions in the Absolute Beginner Talk forum goes like "OK, I've installed the OS, but now what? How do I install stuff?", which shows that the person was able to install the OS, but is unable to install software on it. Is that person an "expert", or "novice", or neither?