Include compizconfig-settings-manager by default

[bobbocanfly]

I think Hardy should include compizconfig-settings-manager by default. It has been just over a day and already the guys at #ubuntu have had to put instructions for it into Ubotu (The info bot in the IRC channels). I know one of the things that people want from Hardy is less of the eye-candy rubbish, but this would help a lot of newbies that might have decided to skip Gutsy and wait for the LTS version.

[bethaviv]

I second this =)

[ericesque]

I too would love if it were available by default.

My thought is that it is not offered because some of the plugins that you can enable in the manager are not stable enough. That is purely conjecture, but it's the only thing that makes sense to me.

[Twintop]

/seconded

Include it, but don't enable it -- leave the default level of desktop effects where they are. Hopefully the main components and plugins will be stable enough for this!

[Next.Step]

seconded. i don't know why it was'n already incuded together with fusion in 7.10

[zsouthboy]

I think Hardy should include compizconfig-settings-manager by default. It has been just over a day and already the guys at #ubuntu have had to put instructions for it into Ubotu (The info bot in the IRC channels). I know one of the things that people want from Hardy is less of the eye-candy rubbish, but this would help a lot of newbies that might have decided to skip Gutsy and wait for the LTS version.

There is actually a Simple Compizconfig-Settings Manager being worked on - it's much more normal user friendly than the standard CCSM.

I assume that the Simple version will be included in Hardy. (It wasn't ready for Gutsy)

[Twintop]

There is actually a Simple Compizconfig-Settings Manager being worked on - it's much more normal user friendly than the standard CCSM.

I assume that the Simple version will be included in Hardy. (It wasn't ready for Gutsy)

That would make it a lot easier. The current CCSM has so many duplicate plugins that want you to disable other plugins that do similar tasks if you check them...it could be frustrating to say the least.

[m0eman]

There is actually a Simple Compizconfig-Settings Manager being worked on - it's much more normal user friendly than the standard CCSM.

I assume that the Simple version will be included in Hardy. (It wasn't ready for Gutsy)

Great! I didnt think CCSM would make it into hardy but a simpler one may.

[zsouthboy]

Here is a link for those interested:

http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/compiz-fusion-community-news-edition-15-for-october-5th-2007-3d-fixed/

[screaminj3sus]

I agree, I also think fusion-icon should be included, very helpfull for gamers and troubleshooting.

[bobbocanfly]

Brilliant this is going to be included. Might not be the full thing but anything is better than the relative nothing you get by default in Gutsy :D

[Ziox]

I agree, I also think fusion-icon should be included, very helpfull for gamers and troubleshooting.

How do you enable the fusion icon in system tray? (I don't have any icon in the notification area)

[smartboyathome]

It isn't installed by default, I can't remember where it is, but there is a package out there for those who want it.

[bobbocanfly]

How do you enable the fusion icon in system tray? (I don't have any icon in the notification area)

you have to install the package that gives you GLDesktop as far as i know. Think its in the simple Gnome Compiz manager. Basically all the compiz packages are confusing at the moment and really dont need to be.

[smartboyathome]

you have to install the package that gives you GLDesktop as far as i know. Think its in the simple Gnome Compiz manager. Basically all the compiz packages are confusing at the moment and really dont need to be.

No, to get the icon, there is a thread. Installing the regular compiz manager has caused problems for me, and I am guessing it will for many others too.

[m0eman]

I think the fusion-icon should be installed by default, but not enabled by default. IMHO the fusion-icon should be a plugin in ccsm or sccsm which you can enable if you want it. It's very useful, but the notification area should be kept as clean as possible on a fresh install.

[Zdravko]

+1, although I don't even know what is this thread about :)

[23meg]

I don't even know what is this thread about :)

You really should refrain from posting if that's the case. This kind of thing really makes the whole forum less efficient and less enjoyable.

As for CCSM, it's not the kind of configuration interface that should (and can) be included by default. For people who know the internals of what they're getting into, it's a powerful tool, but as a default tool to be presented to all users of varying skill levels, it has too many near-duplicate functions and too many purely technical functions, such as workarounds, image plugins, etc. whose exact purposes are hard to discover without good documentation (lack of which is a separate issue). It presents the non-technical user with too much complexity and can easily let them shoot themselves in the foot (mess up Compiz settings beyond retrieval).

[Zdravko]

You really should refrain from posting if that's the case. This kind of thing really makes the whole forum less efficient and less enjoyable.


Okay, sorry :)

[m0eman]

As for CCSM, it's not the kind of configuration interface that should (and can) be included by default. For people who know the internals of what they're getting into, it's a powerful tool, but as a default tool to be presented to all users of varying skill levels, it has too many near-duplicate functions and too many purely technical functions, such as workarounds, image plugins, etc. whose exact purposes are hard to discover without good documentation (lack of which is a separate issue). It presents the non-technical user with too much complexity and can easily let them shoot themselves in the foot (mess up Compiz settings beyond retrieval).

That's why I think this sccsm thing has a chance.

[smartboyathome]

Is sccsm available via the GIT repo for Compiz Fusion? I would like to see what all the hype is about.

[durand]

seconded. i don't know why it was'n already incuded together with fusion in 7.10

I thought it would be obvious to include it...I guess it comes down to the stability but I myself have never had a problem with it..
In CCSM, you can just click on the yellow brush icon and it will reset the setting to the default. Can't remember if there is a button for the overall settings though..
Is sccsm like the compiz version of beryl's simple settings tool? Cos that was really neat.

[Dark_X]

I would really like to see the Advanced Desktop Effects Settings manager installed by default. The options for the Visual Effects tab in the Appearance options isn't enough.

[smartboyathome]

There is currently an easier settings manager being worked on for Hardy (or so I have heard). Anyway, CCSM is too hard for a new person for default in my opinion. We will need to get this new settings manager in order for Compiz Fusion to be sucessful for the newbie.

Also, this should really be in the Ubuntu Idea Pool.

[23meg]

Merged with the existing thread in Ubuntu Idea Pool.

[tjagoda]

I would definitely like to see the fusion-icon included by default. I use the fusion-icon package from http://ppa.launchpad.net/maco.m/ubuntu, and it works great. The icon really does include some troubleshooting/error fixing abilites which are a good idea to have by default.

As for the CCSM, I agree that it is too unfriendly. Perhaps SCCSM, but I'm not definite on that.

[teasum]

I agree with Dark_X. Something beyond the "Visual Effects" tab in the "Appearance" window is needed, not just for tweaking by gamers and enthusiasts, but for issues of basic stability. When I first installed Gutsy, and turned on desktop effects, I lost my window borders. A helpful post here in the forums told me to adjust something (can't remember what now) via something in the preferences menu, but it wasn't there. Long story short, I had to find out about ccsm (I'm 100% newbie in terms of compiz), install it, and make the changes in order to have a usable desktop. I kept getting advice to change such-and-such a setting, but I had no way of doing so--very frustrating.

I don't think there's a problem with including advanced settings apps, as long as they're placed behind the simple ones, and accessible via an 'advanced' option of some sort. As I have it now, the "Visual Effects" tab gives me the simple options, as well as a button leading me to the advenced settings manager, i.e. ccsm. I see that as an ideal option--simple to the new user, but advanced options are accessible in case they are needed.

[diafygi]

Unfortunately, CCSM didn't make it into Hardy Heron by default. Is there any plan to include it with Intrepid Ibex? I would love to have it on the 8.10 LiveCD and install.

*Bump!*

[smartboyathome]

If simple ccsm were ready by 8.10, possibly.

[dr.silly]

+1 for CCSM

i also think fusion-icon should be included but disabled by default

[smartboyathome]

Well, CCSM wont be included, but Simple CCSM may, so try that. :)

[Lord C]

I really think the "Advanced Desktop Effects Settings" button should be under Apperance Preferences' "Visual Effects" tab, directly next to the "Extra" setting.

I don't understand why this isn't so?

Some people say the ccsm is too complicated? Surely a ccsm is better than no ccsm?

[unoodles]

Here is an interesting link for those who are holding their breath.
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/149/

I really don't see what is with ubuntu users and 'defaults'. Who cares what is installed by default? Why not just take 10min and install what you want and uninstall what you don't want?