[IDEA] Same Respect For Kubuntu As Ubuntu

[jlacroix]

Often, new features in Ubuntu only apply to Ubuntu (Gnome) and not Kubuntu (KDE). For example, in Gutsy, if you use Kubuntu and want the plug and play printer support, you need to install Ubuntu as well.

As it stands now, Kubuntu cannot stand on its own. If you want all the features, you need Ubuntu installed with it. This is not always true, but it is for the most part.

Kubuntu and Ubuntu should share the same added features. Features that are right now Ubuntu only, should be ported to KDE.

Any feature that is going to be added to Ubuntu but not ready for Kubuntu shouldn't be added at all.

[notna01]

Why dont you get an ubuntu cd without any desktop enviroments installed?
So when you want to install, it just asks for gnome or kde, you would need internet for that type of cd, and you wouldnt see any graphics, just a terminal.... But what the hey, it would install ubuntu or kubuntu with all the features....

[Lord Illidan]

I think that many features which have been "added to Ubuntu" are actually part of Gnome 2.20, hence it will be slightly difficult to port them to KDE..

[jlacroix]

I think that many features which have been "added to Ubuntu" are actually part of Gnome 2.20, hence it will be slightly difficult to port them to KDE..
You're probably right, though I'm only referring to Ubuntu-specific things.

[mrvertigo]

This is a desktop standards issue as well as a language thing, lots of Desktop apps are QT specific or what have you, I am a huge advocate of desktop standards in Ubuntu and the consolidating of features etc. BUT there are barriers and limitations here. Great Idea, not sure if it will come to fruitition soon enough though

[jlacroix]

No, it won't come to fruition soon. This huge a thing cannot happen overnight, however all things start with a single step. If they start now, it will be achieved at some point or another.

[borahshadow]

yep kubuntu is usually about 1 release behind ubuntu had restricted drivers with feisty kubuntu with gutsy etc.

[Frak]

Wait till KDE4 becomes stable and released with Kubuntu, you'll have angry Gnome users demanding why Gnome doesn't get the same treatment.

Most of the improvements come from the DE dev's, not Ubuntu Dev's. Though the Ubu dev's do play a part in it.

[mrvertigo]

the kde4 betas are nice and i think there even in the repos somewhere maybe in multiverse..... not sure but the point is that i cant wait either!

[ankursethi]

The only grudge I have against Kubuntu is the theme. While it's a very nice theme in itself, it is definitely *not* Human. And if it's not Human it's not Ubuntu.

These days I seem to prefer brown as the major color in any theme I use.

[mrvertigo]

thats... an interesting take on it, i tend to think brown is an earth tone.... nothing to do with human, thats how ive felt from day one, anyways..... wow, really, brown?

[Zdravko]

Brown is a human color.

[AusIV4]

There's been a post like this every release for as long as I've been paying attention. This time, I think it might actually happen.

I think the main reason KDE has fallen behind is because all of the developers with a major interest in kde have been focusing their attention on KDE 4, which is due to come out before Hardy Heron. It's supposed to be pretty awesome. Assuming it half way lives up to its hype, it should accel past Gnome by the next release.

[Frak]

There's been a post like this every release for as long as I've been paying attention. This time, I think it might actually happen.

I think the main reason KDE has fallen behind is because all of the developers with a major interest in kde have been focusing their attention on KDE 4, which is due to come out before Hardy Heron. It's supposed to be pretty awesome. Assuming it half way lives up to its hype, it should accel past Gnome by the next release.
I've used it, and as long as it didn't crash, it was very polished :D

[Zdravko]

Hmm. Do you think KDE may become one day brownish?

[Frak]

Hmm. Do you think KDE may become one day brownish?
No, unless you put a brown background and made everything transparent.

[Zdravko]

Why isn't KDE made by default with the Human theme?

[Frak]

Why isn't KDE made by default with the Human theme?
Pretty sure, different group of developers.

[Zdravko]

But why? This slows down the development of it? If it was unified with GNOME, it would gain much more speed.

[nynoah]

I know I prefer Kubuntu over Ubuntu. Amarock is the bomb I find I use all the Kubuntu programs more. They just seem to have a better setup to me.

[beartard]

I can't see how a color slows developers down (or speeds them up for that matter.)
But why? This slows down the development of it? If it was unified with GNOME, it would gain much more speed.
Seriously, GTK and QT are different libraries, different programming languages, etc. The division of devs might not only be good, but necessary in some cases. I'd rather have a specialist working on his specialty than a group of general practitioners trying to do double duty.

[screaminj3sus]

Kubuntu REALLY needs to work on it's stability. I have used 6.10, 7.04, and 7.10 versions of ubuntu and kubuntu, and ubuntu has always been stable, Kubuntu? crashes all the damn time.

[Frak]

Kubuntu REALLY needs to work on it's stability. I have used 6.10, 7.04, and 7.10 versions of ubuntu and kubuntu, and ubuntu has always been stable, Kubuntu? crashes all the damn time.
I do game on Kubuntu and find it more stable than on Ubuntu. Ubuntu has crashed on me once in the 3 years I've used it. Kubuntu twice, but that was near their first releases of Kubuntu.

[Zdravko]

So, you mean KDE is buggy?

[Frak]

So, you mean KDE is buggy?
Was buggy on initial releases. They've fixed 99% of them, other than the application independent ones.

[jtekUSA]

I am fairly new to Ubuntu/KUbuntu - I had been using openSUSE but took a "vacation" from Linux after going to a laptop. Time and other issues prevented me from getting Linux running smoothly on my laptop. The reason for the history lesson is to show that I had been using the KDE desktop environment in times past, but am now using Gnome with Ubuntu.

I had considered installing KUbuntu, too, but read in another post in this forum that KUbuntu was the worst implementation of KDE - the claim was it was a hacked version of Ubuntu. As I said, I am fairly new here so I have no way to know if this claim is true or not. Needless to say, I have hesitated in installing KUbuntu as a result.

I am not trying to start a flame war here, but am genuinely curious as to the status of KUbuntu. In this thread, I read it is 99.99% stable now. Most of the people that seemed to "put down" KUbuntu appeared to be Gnome users giving it a try.

Also, would the things I have learned about installing my video card, getting wireless to work, etc. be about the same as it was in Ubuntu? I realize there are differences between the two so I am thinking I would need to tweak things here and there.

Thank you for your time. I have always been partial to KDE but was pleased to get Ubuntu running so well after several failed attempts with other distro's. I think I could have gotten them working if the laptop support was as good as it is here.

UPDATE: Sorry - I did not realize this area of the forum was meant for ideas for the next release of Ubuntu. Still, I am curious to find out the answers to my questions and this thread appears to have a dedicated staff of KDE/KUbuntu users. And I completely agree that the two should be able to stand alone - choice is a good thing as it is the one thing Windows does not provide.

[beartard]

I've never had any major instability problems with Kubuntu. What I *have* seen that needs work is this:

Kopete: slow as hell most of the time.
Ktts: breaks all the time, requires switching from arts to alsa and back to reset it.

and that annoying bug where you launch a program, see the bouncing logo, and it never opens.

[Frak]

I've never had any major instability problems with Kubuntu. What I *have* seen that needs work is this:

Kopete: slow as hell most of the time.
Ktts: breaks all the time, requires switching from arts to alsa and back to reset it.

and that annoying bug where you launch a program, see the bouncing logo, and it never opens.
That "annoying bug" is 99% caused by a missing dependency. Such as a Java or GTK library.

[Zdravko]

Why is KDE so slow then?

[Frak]

Why is KDE so slow then?
Because KDE doesn't like you system, nuff said.

[Megatog615]

Why not just port the Human theme to Kubuntu?

[Frak]

Why not just port the Human theme to Kubuntu?
Why not port the Human Theme to Xubuntu, because it just doesn't look quite right. Though, I'll give it a shot and see what happens.

[beartard]

That "annoying bug" is 99% caused by a missing dependency. Such as a Java or GTK library.

It's a fairly fresh install. The "annoying bug" usually happens with firefox, so GTK or java could be the culprit. If it happens with Konqueror, however... ;)

[Sturmeh]

Gusty implemented Gnome 2.20, and listed all gnome updates along side it's own, so kubuntu obviously don't get these.

If KDE were to release an update, it would be implemented into kubuntu no doubt, and it's features listed. xD

Am i wrong in saying ubuntu is gnome focus'ed? offering kubuntu only for "Choice?"

[jtekUSA]

Gusty implemented Gnome 2.20, and listed all gnome updates along side it's own, so kubuntu obviously don't get these.

If KDE were to release an update, it would be implemented into kubuntu no doubt, and it's features listed. xD

Am i wrong in saying ubuntu is gnome focus'ed? offering kubuntu only for "Choice?"
Yes, I think that sums thing up rather well, Sturmeh. Ubuntu is geared to Gnome while the others (KUbuntu and XUbuntu) are using other desktop environments for those who do not like Gnome or have an older system.

When KDE4 is released, I am sure KUbuntu will be updated. Of course, I am speaking from an end-user perspective here. ;-)

[Xbehave]

i recently asked about this in IRC and apparently theres only one paid developer for kubuntu so even with kde4 i fear that kubuntu will be under developed ( even tho shuttleworth loves KDE )

[Terracotta]

That "annoying bug" is 99% caused by a missing dependency. Such as a Java or GTK library.

Then why does the program start when you try to start it the second time?
It happens with Kaffeine, kopete, and especially when you try to run adept or something else that needs root permission. It's one of the most irritating bugs, for the rest it's all a joyride :D

[Frak]

Gusty implemented Gnome 2.20, and listed all gnome updates along side it's own, so kubuntu obviously don't get these.

If KDE were to release an update, it would be implemented into kubuntu no doubt, and it's features listed. xD

Am i wrong in saying ubuntu is gnome focus'ed? offering kubuntu only for "Choice?"

I think you'll be pleased to know that our own SABDFL uses Kubuntu as his main OS.

Then why does the program start when you try to start it the second time?
It happens with Kaffeine, kopete, and especially when you try to run adept or something else that needs root permission. It's one of the most irritating bugs, for the rest it's all a joyride :D

Bug, annoying yes, but at least it doesn't take KDE with it (old bug)

[jlacroix]

Kubuntu is stable for me, except one bug.

I'm estimating that one out of every 20 times I click on an application icon in the Kmenu, it never appears. I click it again and it will the second time.