I hope 8.04 will support Big Software projects

[amonsul]

Hi!

My wish is that Ubuntu will support some big important projects! I mean they should actively collaborate with them.

For example:

1) Wengophone (VoiP)
2) Kdenlive (the only eiditng software that i can use for my productions!)
3) Help projects like evolution to make it better. I really miss something like Outlook!
4) a simple software to install google earth, skype and some other stuff that are not included in synaptic

I know you are gonna to hate me, but the OS Sytem schould be simple (like OSX).

[ccw]

1) Wengophone (VoiP)
2) Kdenlive (the only eiditng software that i can use for my productions!)


https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wengophone
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenlive

[LowSky]

the medibuntu repostories have goole earth and skype

And what do you mean by simple, DOS is simple.
If OS/X was so simple you wouldn't see an Apple Store full of customers waiting for an Apple Tech to install new software.

[jpietari]

I'd LOVE to see Ubuntu have official 3rd party repositories. This would make it a lot easier to install things such as: SQLDeveloper, Netbeans, Oracle DataProvider.

Is there a list of repositories somewhere? Is Ubuntu planning on adding more applications to the default 3rd party repository? It is pretty sad that only Opera and VMware Player exist.

[syxbit]

they should get commercial software.
i know tons of people who'd love to use linux, but their jobs require using photoshop, or something similar

[Megatog615]

I think Canonical should pay off game companies to make Linux ports. Really, if you can net some good PC games and advertise that they run in Linux then Linux marketshare will rise.

[smartboyathome]

they should get commercial software.
i know tons of people who'd love to use linux, but their jobs require using photoshop, or something similar

GIMP has almost the same set of features as Photoshop, but it is layed out differently, so you would have to learn some about the interface, but after you get past that hump (which many don't), then you have a free, powerful image manipulator. :)

PS: I use GIMP all the time instead of photoshop, really works well when you learn how to use it.

[smartboyathome]

I think Canonical should pay off game companies to make Linux ports. Really, if you can net some good PC games and advertise that they run in Linux then Linux marketshare will rise.

Can't wait to see a penguin next to the windows logo on a game box. :popcorn:

[lucidapparition]

I think Canonical should pay off game companies to make Linux ports. Really, if you can net some good PC games and advertise that they run in Linux then Linux marketshare will rise.

I think game companies should open source their games to let developers port/enhance them. It would be a sad day if Ubuntu funded proprietary software.

[Megatog615]

Babysteps...

[Zdravko]

I think Canonical should pay off game companies to make Linux ports. Really, if you can net some good PC games and advertise that they run in Linux then Linux marketshare will rise.
From all of the posts so far here, this one is the only smart one. I want fun!

[jespdj]

GIMP has almost the same set of features as Photoshop, but it is layed out differently, so you would have to learn some about the interface, but after you get past that hump (which many don't), then you have a free, powerful image manipulator. :)

PS: I use GIMP all the time instead of photoshop, really works well when you learn how to use it.
Photoshop CS3 and Skype are the only two programs that keep me hanging on to Windows.

Yes, I know there is Skype for Linux but it does not have support for video (yet). People have been screaming for this for ages in the forums on the Skype website but it still hasn't happened. I use Skype with my webcam on Windows to talk to friends.

I absolutely love Photoshop CS3 and Bridge CS3, I use these to manage and edit my digital photos. People often claim that The GIMP has most of what Photoshop has, but there are a number of essential features missing in The GIMP: color management, 16 bits per channel (one of those things that users have been asking for for YEARS and it's still not there), and tools like the Healing Brush and the fantastic new selection tool in CS3 (don't remember what it's called exactly).

I wish that Adobe would make and sell Photoshop for Linux...

[Nadir]

I absolutely love Photoshop CS3 and Bridge CS3, I use these to manage and edit my digital photos.

Quite an expensive product to use for that, if you don't use it for your profession.


I wish that Adobe would make and sell Photoshop for Linux...


The latest wine has patches to support Photoshop CS2.

Tristan

[amonsul]

I think it would be fantastic if Ubuntu joins a partnership with Adobe, Skype, and some big Game-company.

But this will offend the Linux comunity wich hates closed source software.

And yes, there is a big difference between Gimp and Photoshop. I work in a comunication agency and we use Adobe software all the time. We use Final Cut Pro for editing. We cant do our work with Linux. Not Yet.

Bye

[Zdravko]

Aah, wishes are nice, but reality is harsh.

[bethaviv]

Quite an expensive product to use for that, if you don't use it for your profession.

The latest wine has patches to support Photoshop CS2.

Tristan

What about CS3? CS3 has a LOT of new goodies that CS2 didn't.

Maybe he is a graphic designer or web page dev? Or maybe it's a hobby? He didn't say =)

[Zdravko]

Why use CS3 when there is Gimp?
Btw, what is CS3?

[bethaviv]

CS3 is Adobe Photoshop Creative Suite version 3... GIMP and CS3 are very comparable, but there are still some things GIMP is lacking (when compared to CS3).

[Zdravko]

Then this is more or less a matter to Gimp. Why are you discussing it in the Ubuntu forums?

[bethaviv]

Then this is more or less a matter to Gimp. Why are you discussing it in the Ubuntu forums?

Here's the breakdown:

The title of this post says "I hope 8.04 will support Big Software projects"

Someone mentioned working with Adobe for Photoshop support

Someone else mentioned GIMP as an alternative

Someone mentioned that GIMP lacks some features the CS2/3 supports showing that Adobe support is needed.

The End.

[lej]

regarding gaming, i just saw this story today:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7052420.stm

It's funny, though, because there's no mention of linux in the story; i guess he hasn't heard of it yet!

[syxbit]

saying that Gimp is like CS3 is ridiculous
it's trying to be like Photoshop, not CS3, and even there, it just isn't really comparable.

intead of telling people to use linux and switch over to all linux apps, we should not expect such a switch to happen all at once.
many people would switch to linux if they could use their own apps

[bethaviv]

saying that Gimp is like CS3 is ridiculous
it's trying to be like Photoshop, not CS3, and even there, it just isn't really comparable.

I think we all understood that:

CS3="Adobe Photoshop CS3"

[Zdravko]

I would rather use GIMP instead of this expensive product.

[syxbit]

it's not about what you want, it's what the majority wants.
and even then, it's good to have options
we could keep using the GIMP, and not buy photoshop, but at least having the option would attract lots of users

[jespdj]

I would rather use GIMP instead of this expensive product.
I would too, if The GIMP was up to par with Photoshop CS3, but it isn't anywhere near it.

The GIMP is missing a number of features that I personally find essential to work with digital photos in a serious way. The two most important are support for 16 bits per channel (a feature that people have been asking for for years, but it isn't happening) and colour management (ICC profiles etc.).

PS CS3 contains a number of tools that are incredibly useful; there's a new selection tool, for example, which makes it very easy and quick to cut out objects from the background. Also Smart Sharpening is a very nice tool. And there are lots more.

The GIMP is fine for simple image editing, but not for more advanced photo work.

I'm not a professional photographer or web designer, photography is just a serious hobby for me. (And I didn't have to pay the full price for Photoshop, because I got a discount offer once, so it cost me $ 300 instead of $ 900).

And by the way, there's nothing wrong with paying money for software. Remember that "free software" does not necessarily mean that you don't pay money for it. (Although Photoshop ofcourse also isn't "free" in the sense of "free as a bird").

[syxbit]

companies have to survive
open source isn't the best model for all.
i think too many linux people fear and hate closed source companies.
just look at the opera web browser. before firefox it the market (and after netscape died) opera was the best option

[yostral]

and colour management (ICC profiles etc.).
GIMP 2.4 (2.3RC3) does support ICC profiles...

[aamukahvi]

I would too, if The GIMP was up to par with Photoshop CS3, but it isn't anywhere near it.

The GIMP is missing a number of features that I personally find essential to work with digital photos in a serious way. The two most important are support for 16 bits per channel (a feature that people have been asking for for years, but it isn't happening) and colour management (ICC profiles etc.).
Pixel has these features: http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=9
I have the paid for version and it seems to work quite nicely. No crashes etc.

[asjdfwejqrfjcvm msz34rq33]

Can we quit with the GIMP/Photoshop debate people? It's been done to the nth time already.

I'll sum it up:
The GIMP is a great peice of free software, yet it doesn't have some of the features that some consider essential.

Adobe Photoshop is a very expensive piece of software that is packed with features.

How's that?

[Zdravko]

That is bad. GIMP ruleZ!

[jespdj]

Can we quit with the GIMP/Photoshop debate people? It's been done to the nth time already.

I'll sum it up:
The GIMP is a great peice of free software, yet it doesn't have some of the features that some consider essential.

Adobe Photoshop is a very expensive piece of software that is packed with features.

How's that?
Ok, I agree, and this debate is horribly off-topic in the Hardy Heron development forum already....

GIMP 2.4 (2.3RC3) does support ICC profiles...
Ok, that's good news. The GIMP that came with Gutsy is 2.4 RC3.

Pixel has these features: http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=9
I have the paid for version and it seems to work quite nicely. No crashes etc.
Thanks, looks like and interesting program to have a look at.

[durand]

Your gonna hate me for this but I'd like to point out that the latest Gimp, shipped with gutsy (I think...) has a healing brush tool. Now I'll shut up..

On the subject of Canonical paying game developers, I really don't think this is a good idea. Making a big game is really really expensive and it might be better to just give them an incentive to port the game to linux. Kinda like id software....Of course, this would mean developing the game on more supported protocols, like OpenGL instead of DirectX but I think it would be worth it for them.

[kopinux]

i think the ubuntu desktop is near perfect!

the only job left is bug fixing.
software support (supposedly this is the job of software devs)
power softwares are available in easy add/remove software video editing like cinerrela and myth tv, games (like digiband). codecs, the use of ogg ogm in video capture or audio. audio/video format convertion to ogg/ogm etc.

hardware support (supposedly this is the job of hardware manuf)

another is graphical interface editing grub. i think mepis has this kind of feature. so it will be easy to fix once a linux image is updated, since that linux image always mess up the grub.

the most powerful tool i find in ubuntu is the add/remove apps, so simple and easy. more software content would be unbeatable.

[Zdravko]

Yepp. Ubuntu DE is perfect. There is no need to change it.

[Next.Step]

I believe this is the problem of software companies like Adobe, not ubuntu's, nor canonical's.
I personally would be satisfied with closed souce ports.
Opensourcing apps that you pay heavy money to get them on windows just seems illogical, unrealistic, and simply put it would be like the hell to freeze.

[syxbit]

i don't think canonical should pay adobe, but help them port, and help them realise the potential

[zingo]

I think that ubuntu should convince the big players to release .deb files for there own SW instead of just RPM's. e.g. get the message out there that companies should support ubuntu.

I would like to see some ubuntu support from IBM/Rational-Clearcase at leas for the client. Since it has it's own kernel module. I would also see some ubuntu support from the VPN router solution called "netconnect" from Juniper Networks. and both should support minimum both x86 and AMD64 ubuntu not only x86.

The only way for me today to use the netconnect is inside i VM (Virtualbox) with a x86 ubuntu installed and I have to add a few tweeks to make it work as it is for an old redhat machine, it's kind of stupid. As for clearcase client I have not found any solution yet.

[bruce89]

4) a simple software to install google earth, skype and some other stuff that are not included in synaptic

http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/googleearth-package.html

[jespdj]

i don't think canonical should pay adobe, but help them port, and help them realise the potential
I agree, I don't see any reason why Canonical should pay Adobe. It would ofcourse be nice if anyone could help Adobe with Linux programming skills to get their software ported to Linux.

I would pay money for Adobe's Linux version of Photoshop if they would have it... then I can finally be completely free from MS Windows...

[crjackson]

Photoshop CS3 and Skype are the only two programs that keep me hanging on to Windows.

Yes, I know there is Skype for Linux but it does not have support for video (yet). People have been screaming for this for ages in the forums on the Skype website but it still hasn't happened. I use Skype with my webcam on Windows to talk to friends.

I absolutely love Photoshop CS3 and Bridge CS3, I use these to manage and edit my digital photos. People often claim that The GIMP has most of what Photoshop has, but there are a number of essential features missing in The GIMP: color management, 16 bits per channel (one of those things that users have been asking for for YEARS and it's still not there), and tools like the Healing Brush and the fantastic new selection tool in CS3 (don't remember what it's called exactly).

I wish that Adobe would make and sell Photoshop for Linux...

I'll probably get torched for this, bit I agree. I'd buy photoshop for Ubuntu if it existed.

[bruce89]

I hope 8.04 will support Big Software projects

Are X.org, GNOME, Linux, GNU not "Big Software projects"?