Disappointment with Gutsy... (Small review inside)

[Kosimo]

After months following the developement of Gutsy, yesterday I had some time to download and install the Release Candidate. I decide to format my / partition and going to the final release just updating my system. 'till that time I was a pretty happy Feisty user in my HP laptop, Pavilion 3020ea witch works perfectly. Pentium M 1.5 GH 2MB, 1,2GB RAM 80GB HDD Ati Mobiity 9200 64MB.

Here's my experience in gutsy.
The installation process take ages, much more than feisty.
Once installed, the system restarts... Blank screen (...) But I can still see the HDD led working, so I decide to wait.... 7 Minutes later appears the login screen!! (No boot screen at all, just blank!)
Login...
First updates...
Organize my GNOME the way I like, (With just one vertical panel).
I realize that there is a new important bug with windows list, (there is no icons)...
Then I realize there is another one... (The option to choose the size of windows on the Windows list is just gone), so.. That forced me to have a really small area to manage my open windows. (!!)
I try to install my first program. (google earth) the installation went perfectly... But... The mix between Compiz Fusion and 3D apps.. Is a mass.. I couldn't read the menus in google earth, and I had a quite psychedelic wired colours in my screen ...
Then I decide to restart my computer in order to see if some of the updates I just installed can help me a little bit with my serious problems...
But no...
Still no boot screen (7 minutes to boot, in blank screen)
Still no icons in my windows list
Still not possible to choose the available space in windows list
Still not possible to use properly 3D apps in windows size when copiz fusion is enabled
And then... I've got a nice System Freeze in a very long time...


I can only say... WOW!!

I would never aspect this experience with Gutsy at atll... It makes me remeber the amazing times with Windows Me... I don't know how's working for you guys, but I'm back to Feisty and now life is nice again for me.

Sorry for the big flame,... But I'm really disappointed with that. Feisty Herd3 where already more stable than Gutsy RC... Just 4 days left, and I'm pretty sure there is no time enough to fix this problems.


Just one word:
Disappointment.

[walkerk]

Thats crazy. I installed beta and everything works great. Boot up is even faster than Feisty...

I know its a pain but I' try re-installing.. :/

[yostral]

I don't know how's working for you guys,
For me everything works perfectly. I don' t have one of the problems you have...

[Lord Illidan]

Very interesting review. I don't have even one of your issues, in fact my only issue is suspend mode. Did you make sure that you burnt the CD correctly, or did you upgrade from synaptic?

[Kosimo]

For me everything works perfectly. I don' t have one of the problems you have...

Do you use vertical bars?

[Kosimo]

Thats crazy. I installed beta and everything works great. Boot up is even faster than Feisty...

I know its a pain but I' try re-installing.. :/

Did it, but still same problems here.

[Kosimo]

Very interesting review. I don't have even one of your issues, in fact my only issue is suspend mode. Did you make sure that you burnt the CD correctly, or did you upgrade from synaptic?


I've download the RC, and I burned perfectly. I don't think is a CD problem. And I didn't upgrade, I did format my root partition /.

[unf]

LOL, I don't really get these threads at all. Only stupid to make own thread about your situation and whine about everything that is not working while no actions of making it work.

[23meg]

The installation process take ages, much more than feisty.
Once installed, the system restarts... Blank screen (...) But I can still see the HDD led working, so I decide to wait.... 7 Minutes later appears the login screen!! (No boot screen at all, just blank!)

Could be a bad burn. Try burning another disc at a slower speed, checking the CD integrity and reinstalling.

[Kosimo]

LOL, I don't really get these threads at all. Only stupid to make own thread about your situation and whine about everything that is not working while no actions of making it work.

This is a discussion forum. If I'm here explaining about how wrong it went my installation with gutsy is to share with other users my experience.

Is much more stupid to post in a stupid thred. Aptitudes like yours make this forum exactly what it shouldn't be...

[Kosimo]

Could be a bad burn. Try burning another disc at a slower speed, checking the CD integrity and reinstalling.

Burned it with Nero Linux 3.0.1.3 and check it. As I said, I'm pretty sure is not a CD problem... But anyway I can try to do it again.

[FishRCynic]

i have been using gutsy on my laptop - upgraded from feisty - since tribe 1 (might have been 2) and have done many clean installs on other systems without any major issues at all - with feisty development i had several gnome issues (used xfce on a amd64 system til they fixed it) - but with gutsy the only issues have been eye candy and well truthfully i turn it on to show the vista crowd and turn it off otherwise (though i do like slatehorn blue for some reason) - have you edited the grub line with no splash to see what is happening?

[23meg]

Burned it with Nero Linux 3.0.1.3 and check it. As I said, I'm pretty sure is not a CD problem... But anyway I can try to do it again.

Try another app and a slower speed, and check the CD integrity from the Ubuntu install menu, not with the CD burning app.

[Kosimo]

i have been using gutsy on my laptop - upgraded from feisty - since tribe 1 (might have been 2) and have done many clean installs on other systems without any major issues at all - with feisty development i had several gnome issues (used xfce on a amd64 system til they fixed it) - but with gutsy the only issues have been eye candy and well truthfully i turn it on to show the vista crowd and turn it off otherwise (though i do like slatehorn blue for some reason) - have you edited the grub line with no splash to see what is happening?

If you're using Gutsy... Can you just do something for me? We can check it out if is a very particular problem in my computer or something general.

There's what you can do:

Create a vertical panel and locate it in the left side
Add to the panel a window list
Check if each window have the proper icon or not (it should have just two points ..) If you increase the panel size then the icons appears (but it force you to have a huge panel)
Let's check now if is possible to choose the size: Right click to the window list.
Can you see the [Size] tab? I guess not.



This is the way it works in Feisty

(Window list with icons)

http://kosimo.googlepages.com/windowlist.jpg

Window List Preferences with the Size Tab

http://kosimo.googlepages.com/windowlist2.jpg

[Kosimo]

Try another app and a slower speed, and check the CD integrity from the Ubuntu install menu, not with the CD burning app.

Ahh... Got it now.. I'm going to start the system with Gutsy CD and check the CD integrity.

[Stevi]

(...) Blank screen (...) But I can still see the HDD led working, so I decide to wait.... 7 Minutes later appears the login screen!! (No boot screen at all, just blank!) (...)
Still no boot screen (7 minutes to boot, in blank screen)(...)
Same error here. There's already a bug in launchpad: Black screen, and bad usplash.conf (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/ubiquity/+bug/150930). I removed quiet and splash from menu.lst to see whats happening during boot-process but I think there will be a fix until Gutsy Final:
Fixed in my local tree, but needs testing and may be post-RC at this point.

[Kosimo]

Same error here. There's already a bug in launchpad: Black screen, and bad usplash.conf (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/ubiquity/+bug/150930). I removed quiet and splash from menu.lst to see whats happening during boot-process but I think there will be a fix until Gutsy Final:

Well... That means there is a general bug and is in tracking.
Hope to have it fixed in the Final Release.
But I'll wait a least a month before jump to Gutsy anyway. as I said, in my opinion still too much bugs to be fixed.

[exile]

I also have a black boot screen. The last two kernel updates since the gutsy tribes have hung my Dell optiplex. Gutsy is significantly slower than feisty on this machine for doing most types of operations. Booting times are on par with 7.04 but I haven't seen it be faster.

I will be encouraging my family and friends to stay with 7.04 for the time being.

I can confirm some of the problems in this thread.

[Amaranth]

The lack of a Size tab is not a bug. There has been an open bug for years about the window list buttons jumping around randomly and this was fixed by removing the variable size stuff. It probably just has a bad setting for vertical panels.

There are indeed problems with compiz and OpenGL (and Xv) when using the 'intel', 'i810', or 'ati' drivers. This is a problem with the drivers though, not compiz. However, feel free to turn compiz off if this bothers you. It will not be fixed for gutsy. The rationale is that most of the time someone using OpenGL is playing a fullscreen game and this case is fine.

[screaminj3sus]

My boot and everything si fine, but I can confirm the window list with no icons, have you submitted a bug report?

[Kosimo]

The lack of a Size tab is not a bug. There has been an open bug for years about the window list buttons jumping around randomly and this was fixed by removing the variable size stuff. It probably just has a bad setting for vertical panels.

There are indeed problems with compiz and OpenGL (and Xv) when using the 'intel', 'i810', or 'ati' drivers. This is a problem with the drivers though, not compiz. However, feel free to turn compiz off if this bothers you. It will not be fixed for gutsy. The rationale is that most of the time someone using OpenGL is playing a fullscreen game and this case is fine.

Thank you for the answer.
I remember about that bug and also about the icon problem. Those bugs are closed and the problem is still there. No Icons in opened windows and no space.

Youre talking about bad setting for vertical panel. But there isn't anything else to set up in this particular problem.
If I can't change the size of the window list, it force me to have a very small area and I can't use all the available space in the vertical Panel.

About Compiz... I will definitely turn off. And maybe in the time of Gutsy +1 with new drivers I'll give it a try again.

[Paul820]

7 Minutes later appears the login screen!! (No boot screen at all, just blank!)

That's exactly what i got when i installed gutsy beta, i thought it had failed but the HD light was flickering away. It wasn't a constant flickering, the light kept starting and stopping with long periods in between. After i did the updates everything was ok and my gutsy install is running better than feisty was.

[exploder]

Kosimo, I can relate to the problems you have described. I also get a black screen from the beta. My fix for that was to load Tribe 4 and put on 710 updates! I filed a bug report but thanks to your post I now know the issue still exists.

I was also disappointed that Gutsy still has such serious problems this close to release. I am hoping the developer's get this sorted out.

My only suggestion is to try and upgrade from Feisty to try and resolve the black screen issue. Also, file a bug report.

[Kosimo]

Kosimo, I can relate to the problems you have described. I also get a black screen from the beta. My fix for that was to load Tribe 4 and put on 710 updates! I filed a bug report but thanks to your post I now know the issue still exists.

I was also disappointed that Gutsy still has such serious problems this close to release. I am hoping the developer's get this sorted out.

My only suggestion is to try and upgrade from Feisty to try and resolve the black screen issue. Also, file a bug report.

Hey!
I'm not feeling alone anymore! ;)
The bug, as it has been said before is reported in launchpad: Here (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/ubiquity/+bug/150930)

It looks like the problem is in the resolution of the usplash.conf witch chooses a strange resolution like 1280x1024 witch is not supported for my wide screen.

I'm really keeping my Feisty for a long, and I recommend my friends to keep using Feisty for a month (at least)

[mabovo]

That's a new paradigm, as much you stick with feisty more resilient will be adopting Gutsy.
It is a new shift on the think !;-)

[rasdol]

may be you have a corrupted installation disk... I haven`t even one of you mistakes...

[exploder]

Kosimo, don't give up on Gutsy yet. Gutsy has a lot of improvements, the fonts are incredible! I almost gave up myself. I believe the problems will be worked out.

I used a painful method to get my install to work but it was worth it. You can get Gutsy going too. Something else I thought of but have not tried yet is to copy your working xorg.config from Feisty and overwrite Gutsy's with it. Might be worth a shot.

If I install the Gutsy beta my monitor is detected as "generic" and my Radeon 7200 is detected as an "ATI Rage". If I upgrade from Tribe 4 everything shows up correct.

Please file a bug report or add to an existing one for your sake and all other's having this issue. Don't give up! We can all get this resolved.

[Kosimo]

I give it a try again...

Now I'm in Gutsy completely updated.
And, is still taking 7 minutes to show the login page.
The bug about the blank screen during the load is still there..
I'm still having doubts about having this bugs fixed in less than 3 days.

[23meg]

Did you check the CD integrity? Can you run bootchart and post the output?

[arashiko28]

Same error here. There's already a bug in launchpad: Black screen, and bad usplash.conf (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/ubiquity/+bug/150930). I removed quiet and splash from menu.lst to see whats happening during boot-process but I think there will be a fix until Gutsy Final:

Can you tell me how to do that? I have fesity fawn on my laptop and works like a charm, but also have Xubuntu on an old (reaaaally old) desktop and it is not blank, there's the boot screen but takes like 5-6 minutes to complete the line and show the boot screen. I'm waiting for the official release to update it to 7.10, but would love to fix this.

[DukeTech]

I formatted my Ubuntu partition & clean installed Gutsy last Saturday. For me Gutsy has been a huge improvement. No wireless or touchpad problems, no problem with anything so far.

Dell Latitude D510.
Dual boot with XP

[bluwshark]

I was having the same blank screen on bootup and I found a fix on an older bug report. I have an ati x1400 in a Dell laptop with a widescreen LCD.

Here is what fixed it for me:
1) Change the resolution in /etc/usplash.conf to 1024x768
2) Add vga=791 to the kernel line in /etc/boot/menu.lst
3) sudo update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r`

Hope this helps.

Brian

[gimmy_bond]

LOL, I don't really get these threads at all. Only stupid to make own thread about your situation and whine about everything that is not working while no actions of making it work.

excuse me sir. We are here to help each other. Not to put other less experienced users down, Nor be put down by more experience users (like you).

ON forums like these, there are no stupid questions, there are only stupid answers.

Instead of calling others less experienced users stupids, why don't you help them become wiser by posting replies as best as you can to help them solve their problem..

Thanks you very much. No need to respond with yet another insult. I have no use for it here.

[mlind]

I give it a try again...

Now I'm in Gutsy completely updated.
And, is still taking 7 minutes to show the login page.
The bug about the blank screen during the load is still there..
I'm still having doubts about having this bugs fixed in less than 3 days.

remove all packages that are considered as "orphaned" by synaptic or similar dpkg front-end. Make sure you don't have any evms packages installed. Disable usplash boot screen to see what's taking so long to boot (in grub boot menu, edit kernel line and remove splash option).

I have virtually no problems with Gutsy, apart from two crashing applications which won't get fixed in final.

[Kosimo]

Did you check the CD integrity? Can you run bootchart and post the output?

Hi 23meg! :)
Yes I did, and no errors where found.

[23meg]

Bootchart can help identify what exactly is causing the hang.

[misfitpierce]

Everything works fine for me as well. But me and friend confirm problems with fspot not opening still.

[Kosimo]

Bootchart can help identify what exactly is causing the hang.

Did it:

This is the result

http://kosimo.googlepages.com/gutsy-20071016-1.png

[regomodo]

i got so royally cheesed off with Ubuntu gutsy beta that i switched to Archlinux. Wasn't just that. From dapper i've noticed more and more bloat. Going well with Arch minus 1 annoying issue.

thats a messed up bootchart. I thought 2mins was bad for me in feisty

[Kosimo]

I realize about two things:

1st, is not taking 7 minutes to load.. I think is just a time perception.. Anyway is still taking ages to load.

2nd, this image is too big this is a resized one... I don't really understand this graphic. But something I can see is, I have a kind of long lag at the beginning with no loads or CPU usation.

http://kosimo.googlepages.com/1024.png

[23meg]

Please check whether you have any error messages related to readahead in your system logs (System / Administration / System Log).

[Kosimo]

Please check whether you have any error messages related to readahead in your system logs (System / Administration / System Log).

I can't find anything related to readahead in the error log
The only error I can see in /var/log/cpus/ is this one:

E [15/Oct/2007:08:43:38 -0400] CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized

[peabody]

There are indeed problems with compiz and OpenGL (and Xv) when using the 'intel', 'i810', or 'ati' drivers.

What sorts of issues? I'm using the intel drivers now with Gutsy, and while I'll say that terminal switching and suspend/hibernate aren't very stable with compiz enabled, it does work, Xv as well.

[syxbit]

i have similar issues
gutsy boot-time is HORRIBLE.
from the login screen it takes a good minute to load up X, the wallpaper, and icons/borders.
something is clearly wrong

[dkaddict]

Gutsy ain't anyones mustard m8. Win ME ha, that's about right.
What's happened to Ubuntu then?
Down the pan?
Sold out?
??
?