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izanbardprince
September 15th, 2007, 07:16 AM
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Where I see "Windows 7" going...
Sep 14 '07

The Bottom Line: Why Windows should make you a sad panda!

Coming to a PC near you in 2012....unless we have to push it back...

OK, first of all, seriously, this is Microsoft, we're talking about six years between Windows XP, and Windows Vista, which amounts to a service pack and "We re-arranged the user interface, for no good reason, again!".

Expect delays, expect big ones....

Why?

Well, if it took them six years and numerous deleted features to get Windows Vista out the door, having thousands of software engineers on the payroll, and thousands more temps where that came from.

What they're talking about with Windows 7 is, ditching the entire Windows API, as we know it, and replacing it with a completely rewritten kernel.

Now, backwards support for current Windows API programs will come in the form of an emulator, that operates as a subsystem.

In an ideal world, this could be a good thing, because it gives Microsoft a good excuse to throw everything regarding Windows' current design out in the dumpster, start over, and get it right.

But of course, it won't go down like that, I predict that the project will be so delayed, that Windows users better cozy up with Vista until at least 2015, and that is being cautiously optimistic about the situation.

And if this had been announced ten years ago, before Damnable Restrictions Malware had been unleashed upon the world, and Windows started playing software police, and spying on the user, I would have called the announcement good news, now I probably wouldn't.

Why is that?

Well, most of the technical problems in the Windows kernel tend to come from the fact that:

1. It reeks of poor design.

and

2. It reeked of poor design, when it was being designed to run on systems of nearly two decades ago, even the Windows NT kernel, which is what Microsoft gave us all when the 9x kernel (God awful) was scrapped as of Windows XP, was designed with a lot of throwbacks made to bad design on their other operating systems, like Windows 3.1 and DOS, in order to achieve better compatibility.

Enter Windows Vista

Well, if Windows XP had a lot of technical issues, Windows Vista came along and exposed to the world just how untenable the current Windows code base really is, even loading Windows Vista on a decent system, with lots of RAM, and a good processor and GPU, you can almost feel it trying to collapse under it's own weight, it has to deal with systems that the NT kernel was never intended for, tons of devices that hadn't even been invented in 1989 (When the NT project began), and the aforementioned design throwbacks, like the horrible drive letter handling, a file system that fragments itself, and the city dump known as the Registry.

And then as if the situation wasn't bad enough already, they start tacking in Damnable Restrictions Malware into the kernel, and right on up to where it can no longer be considered transparent, because every time you turn around, you're dealing with it again, while it's complaining about license file this and that, and crashing your video card intentionally while you're just trying to watch a movie, that it assumes you're pirating.

Windows 7 might be better on a technical level, but don't look now...

Honestly, in this age we're living in, of copyrights, and the RIAA, and the MPAA, if you think Windows Vista is bad, wait til you get a taste of what I guarantee will be coming in Windows 7, new technology in the Treacherous Computing department will enable your machine to hide what it is doing, encrypt anything it doesn't want the user to see, and disable anything that Microsoft doesn't want you to run, this includes legitimate programs, enabling the user to do things that Microsoft does not want them to do, here's an example:

I was playing through Halo 2, for the PC, Microsoft says it needs Vista, they are lying, with some unofficial "mods", Halo 2 runs perfectly on Windows XP, and you can even hook in to XBOX Live and play online.

If you zip forward to Windows 7, you will no longer be able to do things like this, that are entirely legal, using software you paid for, because the operating system will be in cahoots with things like the Treacherous Platform Module and the EFI (say good bye to LinuxBIOS!), and will be able to stop you on a hardware level, no work arounds, no way to download a utility and "bypass" the system, do not pass go, do not collect $200 (in fact, pay Microsoft a minimum of $200 to "upgrade" to this abuse!).

And should we really expect more from a company that needs eight people dedicated to the shut down applet in Windows Vista, and who's internal politics leave forty-three people in total, associated with this one thing, most of them having no final say?

http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-crapfest.html

That article, if you're curious, will show you just how incompetent Microsoft's development methods are, and you will be gawking at the utter stupidity!

I mean, the way the Windows development cycle apparently works, is you have to wait three months before the code tree gets compiled, and you can actually see what your code, from three months ago, will actually do!

Well a lot can happen in three months, and you may decide to write code under the assumption that a feature that another team is working on will be there, then that project gets axed by a guy in a suit, in the office down the hall from the cubicle farm, and three months later, you're back to square one.

Even if that doesn't happen, what if the code you compiled, compiles just fine, but doesn't work for some reason?

So in the full year, while those people were trying to write the shut down applet for Windows Vista, and trying to figure out if it works, Canonical's Ubuntu Linux has had two entire operating system upgrades, adding thousands of bug fixes and new features, and better performance and usability , and over at Redmond, "Oh cool, the shut down applet works! Who wants pizza!?".

After all, we're paying to reward Microsoft's incompetence, yes, pizza for the forty-three Windows Shut Down Engineers indeed!

It's no wonder they have to hire people to orchestrate smear campaigns against superior software competition, because there's just no way they could position their products fairly in the market, to compete on merit.


And I'm sure the dinosaurs never saw it coming either!

Now I'm not one to run around screaming the sky is falling, and to be quite honest, I've always kind of thought of Richard Stallman as kind of a kook, until things really did go the way in Windows, that he had been telling everybody for years...

This sort of daylight theft, of the basic ability to access information, and use one's computer hardware, that was bought and paid for, and legally owned by them, is completely unacceptable, and underscores the Free Software Foundation's case for why proprietary software is unethical, and practically slaps you in handcuffs for daring to push the "on" button!

Now I'm not a total Richard Stallman fan, his views tend to be extreme in some cases, but in regards to software, he is 100% dead on; I've abandoned 99% of my proprietary system software, the only things I have left for my OS are a couple binary drivers that I'm not too thrilled about.

I suggest a reading of Richard Stallman's essays, if you have a few minutes to be enlightened about the state of computing, and why the only way to fix it is to avoid patented or proprietary operating system software and file formats:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/

lisati
September 15th, 2007, 07:24 AM
Didn't some of the early Windows versions run on top of MS-DOS?

orange2k
September 15th, 2007, 07:32 AM
Im not quite so sure about that...
Microsoft is afterall, a company that HAS to concern itself with acutal market response - and I dont think that they will continue with the trend they started with Vista, because since the release of Vista, theyve recieved nothing but bad feedback, and like someone said, the Linux-kitty has reached critical mass in the meantime...
Further restrictions in their OS will lead to a slow fall of MS as we know it...
Luckily, the future of computing does not depend on it...
For all I care, they are nothing more than a platform for viruses and trojans, and THAT I dont need...

izanbardprince
September 15th, 2007, 07:35 AM
Didn't some of the early Windows versions run on top of MS-DOS?

Yes, from Windows 1.0-Windows Me, Windows was just an extension of DOS, on the consumer side anyway.

But the way consumer Windows was designed forced a lot of unnecessary baggage onto NT.

JBAlaska
September 15th, 2007, 07:37 AM
I actually installed (briefly) windows 2.0 that was a graphical shell running on DOS..talk about a PIG lol

I hear future versions of DRM will not only alert the authority's when you load copyrighted material on your computer...it will also deliver a 20,000volt shock to subdue you until the police arrive,,

buzzmandt
September 15th, 2007, 07:40 AM
yes, windows 1-me was more or less just a GUI for dos,
I think MS bought out dos and thus the end of any other GUI for dos. When windows first arrived there were other dos gui's but Mr Gates was the one with marketing genious at the time giving it away to ibm

orange2k
September 15th, 2007, 07:41 AM
I hear future versions of DRM will not only alert the authority's when you load copyrighted material on your computer...it will also deliver a 20,000volt shock to subdue you until the police arrive,,

Now THAT sounds cool...
I hope that this feature will run on WINE...\\:D/

lisati
September 15th, 2007, 07:42 AM
Speaking of other GUIs I checked out GEM once (don't ask where I got a copy from), but was more comfortable with text-based menu systems.

Sef
September 15th, 2007, 07:48 AM
Yes, from Windows 1.0-Windows Me, Windows was just an extension of DOS, on the consumer side anyway.

My laptop had that on it originally, which is why I got into GNU/Linux.

init1
September 15th, 2007, 10:42 AM
Speaking of other GUIs I checked out GEM once (don't ask where I got a copy from), but was more comfortable with text-based menu systems.
GEM is not very useful. I tried it in FreeDOS. But I guess some of the apps are kinda cool.

Midwest-Linux
September 15th, 2007, 08:11 PM
If Microsoft was smart, they would take the concept of their unreleased Windows Legacy XP add a few more modern features. Take out the WGA, don't add DRM to it. Sell that as a replacement for Vista, call it Windows 2008 and sell it for $49.

That perhaps might ease the damage that Vista caused to the company. Look if its bad, its bad, admit it and move on...just like they did with Windows ME. Except MS will make excuses and countless service packs to repair a defective operating system.

Then for 2012, Microsoft if they were still smart. Have a linux based OS that will run whatever Windows programs ever made, have the most modern features, no WGA, no DRM and sell it for less than $100.


Well...maybe Linspire might beat them to it!

jacob01
September 16th, 2007, 07:25 PM
yea it wouldn't surprise me if ms tries to promote a hardware type component that blocks you from installing any other os but you know like with the ipod and the psp people were able to install and boot a specially modified linux os and actually works. I believe that if component makers do something like that then people will come up with a work around like you will never stop hackers.

but i mean it would get pretty bad if people do take all the bull **** ms dishes out to the consumers so hopefully linux grows large enough so that it is recognized and nothing like that happens. but you know old bill can be quite an *** like that. waht i still don't get is how windows is so widely used, yea its compatible with just about every thing but you have to screw around with a piece of s**t os that is full of flaws that leave you open to viruses and other junk like that and wose of all is that they charge an unreasonable amount of money for it.

but people that know no better than use ms (wich are what like what 90% of computer users)


but that would be some thing that ms would do, push congress to pass a law that outlaws alternative os's

i wouldn't hate ms so much if it wasn't for ms being ms and taking advantage of people and pushing for things that only benefit them.

Midwest-Linux
September 16th, 2007, 09:06 PM
yea it wouldn't surprise me if ms tries to promote a hardware type component that blocks you from installing any other os
They did that already, its called a winmodem...

Midwest-Linux
September 16th, 2007, 09:28 PM
but that would be some thing that ms would do, push congress to pass a law that outlaws alternative os's



Actually, it won't be like that. But I am sure MS would likely try to sue all other OS out of existance unless they make a deal with them like some have recently.

Except for one thing, the cat is out of the bag and Ubuntu and all the other linux variants are out there already and will be extremely hard to sue and shut down every linux derivative out there.

There is no more need for windows, major corporations are turning to linux for their servers. Why? To save money on license fees and to have a more stable system. Dell and Lenovo are or will be releasing linux desktops and laptops.

Microsoft's best days are behind them, and they know it.

Om1977
September 18th, 2007, 02:18 PM
Except for one thing, the cat is out of the bag and Ubuntu and all the other linux variants are out there already and will be extremely hard to sue and shut down every linux derivative out there.

There is no more need for windows, major corporations are turning to linux for their servers. Why? To save money on license fees and to have a more stable system. Dell and Lenovo are or will be releasing linux desktops and laptops.

Microsoft's best days are behind them, and they know it.

We are a small community at this point and juncture, most of us if not all are either 30 years old or older .. what I wonder is the following

- How many yougsters are actually adopting Linux - for get our generations it's too late for majority of us who are already windows dependent and fact is that no matter how many mistakes Windows makes it will never loose that customer base

- the real question is what are we doing to attract that younger potential customer base - are we doing anything at all - please forgive my ignorance here if I do not have knoledge of something aiming at this but please also understand that the point I am trying to make is that we WILL have to market ourselves better .. not just talk between ourselves

OM

Midwest-Linux
September 18th, 2007, 05:10 PM
We are a small community at this point and juncture, most of us if not all are either 30 years old or older .. what I wonder is the following

- How many yougsters are actually adopting Linux - for get our generations it's too late for majority of us who are already windows dependent and fact is that no matter how many mistakes Windows makes it will never loose that customer base

- the real question is what are we doing to attract that younger potential customer base - are we doing anything at all - please forgive my ignorance here if I do not have knoledge of something aiming at this but please also understand that the point I am trying to make is that we WILL have to market ourselves better .. not just talk between ourselves

OM

Money is the bottom line, the long fabled $100 laptops are actually here. If one shops carefully, one can pick up a $100 laptop on E-bay with no OS...throw some variant of linux on there and there good to go....(well with some tweaking and tinkering).

You tell a young person that a new desktop computer will cost $500 or $600. Chances are they do not have that kind of money. They can get a fairly modern stripped down (no OS ) computer for under $150. Throw linux on and have a modern computer. or pickup up one of those Pentium III's on E-bay for $50, add some ram, and they have most modern features out of linux OS.

Our younger people are smarter than some of us older folks. witness the many innovations done by your average 15 year kid who hacked something, tweaking something and made it work better. I will say this, for the gaming community, they will stick with a Windows based machine...but the majority needing a second or third computer...no sense in buying a $600 desktop...when a simple Pentium III with linux will do.

There is no doubt that Microsoft will continue to make inroads into the linux arena. And it would not surprise me at all if at some point that Microsoft will actually release a linux based system under their own name. Linspire and others have "arrangements" with Microsoft
already....to the dismay of many.

I am not anti-Microsoft, I belive Windows XP Home was their most stable product for the money. This Vista thing might end up being another Millenium Edition for them. A overbloated, DRM laden, hog heavy Operating System like Vista has people looking for alternatives. Alternatives like Ubuntu and others.

If Microsoft is # 1 and Apple is #2, and Linus a distant #3 I would not be surprised that Linux at some point getting close to # 2 or actually becoming # 2 at some point....Red Hat put Linux on the map, Ubuntu took the world by storm!

fistfullofroses
September 18th, 2007, 11:36 PM
The Linux community is already attracting younger users. I am one of those. I am 20 years old. Lately, I have seen quite a few younger people turn to Linux due to its being free. For a college student who has a limited budget the increasing prices of Windows and Macintosh are just too high. Quite often when a conversation about computers springs up, the more technologically oriented will step in and mention Linux, BSD, or OpenSolaris. In the end, Linux always wins due to its larger user base, and therefore larger program library.

Outside of the colleges, Linux is also gaining popularity among still younger computer users. In the high-schools quite a few sub-cultures are prevelant. "Punks" and "Skins" like Linux because (at least on the surface) it works to undermine the development of Megacorps. This is attractive to a somewhat naive audience. Considering that Linux is definately helping more Megacorps than it is hurting their basic premise for using Linux is invalid. However, if you just mention the idea of never needing to defragment, install antivirus programs, anti adware programs, anti spyware programs, anti root kit programs, etc... most people will jump at Linux immediately.

I only see one reason for Linux's failure to gain marketshare, and that is a lack of advertising. Linux is advertised in tech rags and whatnot, but what about TV and radio. I have yet to see/hear a desktop Linux commercial. Without advertising, the mainstream populace will never know about Linux. Furthermore, many people will never accept Linux as being popular enough, or professional enough unless they see an advertisement for it. WIthout marketing Linux will always be viewed as a college kid, and/or technophile system.

Dr. C
September 19th, 2007, 12:44 AM
We are a small community at this point and juncture, most of us if not all are either 30 years old or older .. what I wonder is the following

- How many yougsters are actually adopting Linux - for get our generations it's too late for majority of us who are already windows dependent and fact is that no matter how many mistakes Windows makes it will never loose that customer base

- the real question is what are we doing to attract that younger potential customer base - are we doing anything at all - please forgive my ignorance here if I do not have knoledge of something aiming at this but please also understand that the point I am trying to make is that we WILL have to market ourselves better .. not just talk between ourselves

OM

From the polls that I have seen this is actually a very youthful community.. The largest age group is 21 - 30 and the second largest is 11 - 20, then comes the 31 - 40 age group etc.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=547697&highlight=age+poll

The age distribution of Ubuntu users, if this is indicative of GNU / Linux in general, does not point to a bright future for Microsoft.

K.Mandla
September 20th, 2007, 06:19 AM
Moved to Windows Discussions.

kulturloseramerikaner
September 21st, 2007, 05:53 AM
From the polls that I have seen this is actually a very youthful community.. The largest age group is 21 - 30 and the second largest is 11 - 20, then comes the 31 - 40 age group etc.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=547697&highlight=age+poll

The age distribution of Ubuntu users, if this is indicative of GNU / Linux in general, does not point to a bright future for Microsoft.

I went over and checked it out, and yes, it's a good thing. People who have grown up always having a PC in thier house are trying out and migrating to 'nix. Put me down for a 21-30 btw.

FurryNemesis
September 21st, 2007, 08:23 PM
Me too. I had a Vista user befuddled today, we were transferring music onto our laptops (mine Feisty, his Vista) from CDs and USB keys to take to the student common room for a party.

He got stuck with permission dialogues of some sort and some kind of "Denied!" warning for the copied music. I grinned, he looked over and asked what I was running. I showed him my Ubuntu sticker, he said he'd love to replace Vista.

People DO know we're out there. It just takes more advertising and less superiority complex (although it is hard for me not to laugh at windows error messages nowdays).