HOWTO: installation of E17 from CVS (UPDATED)

[Rui Pais]

No inconvenience at all, it's your repo afterall ;)


Oh yes..... I have just installed it on Dreamlinux (already got it on Ubuntu and Debian).

Great stuff, fine work men !!

PS: Just gave you a hit with the "thanky" button :D

Great!

I'm glad to hear that it works on so many different distros :)
Thanks.


@all
OK. CafeLinux repos are back again :D
Don't forget to update sources.list.
Use the alternative ones only if you live closer to Europe than USA.

:)

[neonl]

Great!

I'm glad to hear that it works on so many different distros :)
Thanks.


@all
OK. CafeLinux repos are back again :D
Don't forget to update sources.list.
Use the alternative ones only if you live closer to Europe than USA.

:)

Is it better for me to use your repos rather than cafelinux's? Clix's doesn't seem to have a great upstream bandwith :lol:

[Rui Pais]

Is it better for me to use your repos rather than cafelinux's? Clix's doesn't seem to have a great upstream bandwith :lol:

he he we almost keep this "in the house" Rui... do you still use Clix?

They shouldn't be slow (they give me an awful upload speed, any update i "reelase" it's a pain...) but to download it should be fast since they are very close to you (and me).

But Cafelinux should anyway be the preferred... i just leave the others, just in case, for a while.

Have fun.

[neonl]

Hello.

I changed the "border settings" of the OpenOffice.org main window (that one which lets you choose between text, spreadsheet, presentation, etc) to "no border". I did it because of that ugly effect of the yellow windows. The problem now is that I can't have the borders in any of the OO apps launched from that menu.

Does anyone know how to solve this? Thanks,
Rui neonl

[Knightkrawler]

Rui, just to let you know, Bang has been revived. I am going to be testing it. See this message (http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=478861F4.90503%40gurumeditat ion.it&forum_name=enlightenment-devel).

EDIT: Another thing: The script doesn't install emprint, so the screenshot module doesn't work. I added it to the script.

I'm quite new at Ubuntu and I'm having alot of issues that I've weeded my way thru using the older method of loading e17 but I keep hitting the wall by getting errors when the installer gets to emprint.

I'm using the Edgy version of Ubuntu. I've tried dapper and gutsy but have ran into many other issues while installing e17 on them...

Is there anyway to fix this or is it just better to skip emprint?
I'm not even sure what it does to be honest.

Thanks!

[boowill]

Hello
I am new to linux and to give a try, I have installed a Debian etch distro on a old imacG3 (PowerPC). I was looking for a light wm, and so I have tried to install enlightenment DR17 (e17), and just a stable core as Rui Pais proposed.
First I would like to thanks Rui Pais for the very good job.
As some people on this thread I have encoutered problem during the installation. I have tried to install e17 with the Oz (cafelinux) repo, but it does not work (I have tried yesterday night).
Is it due to the fact that I have a powerPC or is it due to the use of aptitude instead of apt-get ?

So I tried the script method (easy-e17.sh), with the skip option mentionned in the page 3 (posed by Rui Pais) of this thread with the creation of the .easy_e17.conf file.
Unfortunately, the installation process stopped during the installation of emphasis. Well, this is the point I don't understand as I have checked that emphasis is in the skip list !!!
So, yesterday was my fifth attempt to install e17 on my old G3 "Debian Etched", and I would like some help to have e17 on it...

And my optionnal question is, is there somewhere a list of necessary packages needed in order to have a functional e17 ?

Thanks

[RAV TUX]

he he we almost keep this "in the house" Rui... do you still use Clix?

They shouldn't be slow (they give me an awful upload speed, any update i "reelase" it's a pain...) but to download it should be fast since they are very close to you (and me).

But Cafelinux should anyway be the preferred... i just leave the others, just in case, for a while.

Have fun.Rui I haven't had a chance to test but is the CafeLinux.org Server running back up to speed? or is the bandwidth Hog still running wild?...Please let me know.

[tekknokrat]

Hi,

i've succeeded with installing the e17-cvs :)
I had it running before from the dunnewind repos but i think this install method is more flexible.

What does not work atm is the generation of application menu. When I have mousepointer about nothing opens :confused:
also with "running command" i only see the fav. apps but nothing more.
In kde wm all app entries are shown. Is that some path problem?
I also tried with deleting .local .e folders and starting from fresh but this issue remains.
It was working before with the dunnewind version...

Another thing that is left is if I write text was in other wms like this post it was possible to mark whole words with ctrl + shift + left|right cursorkey. This doesn't work for me in e.

EDIT: whoah, with the command "update-menus" i now have a full load of applications in my menu. Its structure looks different as before but that could be something related with deleting my $HOME/.config|.shares folders...

see man update-menus what it does. To bad every distro use its own approach on this difficult topic.

[Rui Pais]

So many questions... i will try to answer them all.

Rui I haven't had a chance to test but is the CafeLinux.org Server running back up to speed? or is the bandwidth Hog still running wild?...Please let me know.

Hi Jozef,
No, no more issues with server speed, at least that i noted, either as downloads as browsing CafeLinux sections :)

The slowness i was referring, chatting with neonl, is related to my (and neonl's) net provider, that offers a good download speed (fast surf) but an awful upload speed, that make my uploads of packages and OzOS repos a real pain...

[Rui Pais]

Hello.

I changed the "border settings" of the OpenOffice.org main window (that one which lets you choose between text, spreadsheet, presentation, etc) to "no border". I did it because of that ugly effect of the yellow windows. The problem now is that I can't have the borders in any of the OO apps launched from that menu.

Does anyone know how to solve this? Thanks,
Rui neonl

Sorry but that one i don't know too... i wish i could solve/workaround the issue of that annoying thing... but till now, no luck. :(


I'm quite new at Ubuntu and I'm having alot of issues that I've weeded my way thru using the older method of loading e17 but I keep hitting the wall by getting errors when the installer gets to emprint.

I'm using the Edgy version of Ubuntu. I've tried dapper and gutsy but have ran into many other issues while installing e17 on them...

Is there anyway to fix this or is it just better to skip emprint?
I'm not even sure what it does to be honest.

Thanks!

Sorry don't quite understand the question :(
What exactly are the problems you're getting?

By the old method you mean the manual one on pdf? In that case you need to add emprint to app="e ..." line of easy_e17.sh.
The best way it's still installing the e17-cvs deb. It takes care of all automatically. You don't need to delete or reinstall anything, just move any easy_e17.conf to ~/.easy_e17.conf and install the deb (repo or by gdebi)

emprint shouldn't be any problem... it just makes screenshot applet work (and make it independent of scrot app...)

Or are you have problems cause you use Edgy? I have an edgy on an old machine and works ok, but i'm not update for quite a while there...
Please give me more details on errors so i can help you better.
Rui

[Rui Pais]

Hello
I am new to linux and to give a try, I have installed a Debian etch distro on a old imacG3 (PowerPC). I was looking for a light wm, and so I have tried to install enlightenment DR17 (e17), and just a stable core as Rui Pais proposed.
First I would like to thanks Rui Pais for the very good job.
Thanks :)


As some people on this thread I have encoutered problem during the installation. I have tried to install e17 with the Oz (cafelinux) repo, but it does not work (I have tried yesterday night).
Is it due to the fact that I have a powerPC or is it due to the use of aptitude instead of apt-get ?

Please note that i never try it with a powerPC (i haven't one) Maybing things don't compile alright on that architecture... The e17-cvs package at least should work on any (all) arch... but maybe i need to specify that arch on repos too (i set "i386 amd64 all", and assumed that "all" would take care of all the others not i386 nor amd64... but probabily thats not true.)
I will try, in a few hours, to upload a repo with powerPC included.
Do you mind to test it then to see if it works?

So I tried the script method (easy-e17.sh), with the skip option mentionned in the page 3 (posed by Rui Pais) of this thread with the creation of the .easy_e17.conf file.
Unfortunately, the installation process stopped during the installation of emphasis. Well, this is the point I don't understand as I have checked that emphasis is in the skip list !!!
So, yesterday was my fifth attempt to install e17 on my old G3 "Debian Etched", and I would like some help to have e17 on it...

thats sounds like a path problem... but if you are on a pure debian you are using root, instead of sudo. In that case the correct path for file should be /root/.easy_e17.conf (check too what version of script are you using, maybe it looks for a file without the initial dot, easy_e17.conf.
You can check the line "conf_file=" on your easy_e17.sh


And my optionnal question is, is there somewhere a list of necessary packages needed in order to have a functional e17 ?

Thanks

Well the pdf doc on 1st post have one minimal list and one stable (rather minimal)+modules, that are used in deb package.

I'll let you know when i upload a powerpc repo.

[Rui Pais]

Hi,

i've succeeded with installing the e17-cvs :)
I had it running before from the dunnewind repos but i think this install method is more flexible.

What does not work atm is the generation of application menu. When I have mousepointer about nothing opens :confused:
also with "running command" i only see the fav. apps but nothing more.
In kde wm all app entries are shown. Is that some path problem?
I also tried with deleting .local .e folders and starting from fresh but this issue remains.
It was working before with the dunnewind version...

Another thing that is left is if I write text was in other wms like this post it was possible to mark whole words with ctrl + shift + left|right cursorkey. This doesn't work for me in e.

EDIT: whoah, with the command "update-menus" i now have a full load of applications in my menu. Its structure looks different as before but that could be something related with deleting my $HOME/.config|.shares folders...

see man update-menus what it does. To bad every distro use its own approach on this difficult topic.

Hi, glad to see you managed to solve your main issues :)

The reason because you don't had an Applications menu it's because enlightenment now implements menus as the standard freedesktop.org specifications, same as gnome and xfce, so if don't have one of those installed your menus can goes empty, or you have only kde that implements menus on a different way.

update-menu it's a nice way of create them.
Another suggestions can be read here:
http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_and_Efreet (look for sample application.menu)
or here:
http://e17blog.tuxfamily.org/e17blog_en.php/post/2007/08/13/About-the-Applications-menu-files

You can get the defaults applications.menu from Ubuntu by installing gnome-menus from repos or if you don't what gnome you can just download the deb from here (http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/gnome/gnome-menus) and extract the applications.menu to /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu :)

To implement kde menus it should be enough to link:
/etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu as /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu (never tried but should work)

[boowill]

I will try, in a few hours, to upload a repo with powerPC included.
Do you mind to test it then to see if it works?
Great! I will be very glad to test if it works...

the correct path for file should be /root/.easy_e17.conf (check too what version of script are you using, maybe it looks for a file without the initial dot, easy_e17.conf.
You can check the line "conf_file=" on your easy_e17.sh
ok i will check this in a few hours, but I think you are right as I am currently in root

Well the pdf doc on 1st post have one minimal list and one stable (rather minimal)+modules, that are used in deb package
Unfortunately I am not allowed to download the file :confused:

Ok, I am waiting for the PPC deb.

Thanks again :)

[Rui Pais]

Great! I will be very glad to test if it works...


ok i will check this in a few hours, but I think you are right as I am currently in root

So thats the problem. It happen to with Sidux Linux. You may want to check this thread a few pages back, a user had that same problem. Or wait for the ppc repo and all will be easier :)

Unfortunately I am not allowed to download the file :confused:

Ok, I am waiting for the PPC deb.

Thanks again :)
You are right, i forget users need to be logged to CafeLinux to download files... (i was just trying to reduce the number of things i need to update when changes occur...)
No it was just a broken link after all...
I will put, anyway, one version here, updated.

Thanks to call my attention to it.

[Rui Pais]

Ok, i upload to CafeLinux repos a powerPC version.

Please let me know if it works.


I updated to the pdf of manual installation.


@all
I add to 1st post a tip on configuration of icons that may help e17 users.
Check some details on this post here (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4154394&postcount=53).

Maybe someone find it useful :)

[tekknokrat]

STARTUP AND CONFIGURATION LOOK
Something very basic but not immediate is how to run an application automatically at start up.
Old versions required manual editing of .order files under ~/.e/e/applications/startup/.order but now we can just run from Main menu:
Configuration -> Configuration Panel -> Applications -> Startup Applications and choose what we want.

For me the gui way segfaults (on amd64) with both add applications / autostartentries
So I need to do it the way with modify the .e/e/applications/startup/.order file.

Do I need .desktop files for autostart? Do it need an absolute path?
I want to have xcompmgr runs on start...

[boowill]

Here is my easye17.sh file:
#!/usr/bin/env bash

################################################## ###########################
# This script is based on the very good prework from trickster. #
# It is a result of the work from the people from #e.de (irc.freenode.net). #
# It will checkout the cvs and compile e17. #
# #
# License: BSD licence #
# Get the latest version at http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/#easy_e17.sh #
# Rewrite by morlenxus (morlenxus@gmx.net) #
# #
last_changes="2007-11-27" #
version="1.1.5" #
################################################## ###########################


# Edit these variables if you like:
install_path="/usr/local/e17"
cvs_path="$HOME/e17_cvs"
tmp_path="/tmp/easy_e17"
logs_path="$tmp_path/install_logs"
cvs_srv=":pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.enlightenment.org:/var/cvs/e";
conf_file="$HOME/.easy_e17.conf"

so i f I want to use it I should change the $hOME with /root, if I have well understood ?

But I now I will try the PPC version. See you in hours (or tomorrow ;) )...
And thanks for the PDF :)


edit 21h51 : e17 installation seems to work (no erreor) but when choosing the e17 session for login, it says : "No Exec line in the enlightenment session file, start Gnome", and so the gnome session starts...
Here is my enlightenment.desktop file :
[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Name=Enlightenment
Comment=Log in using Enlightenment (Version 0.16.999.041)
Type=XSession
Icon=/usr/local/share/enlightenment/data/images/enlightenment.png
Exec=/usr/local/bin/enlightenment_start
TryExec=/usr/local/bin/enlightenment_start

What is the next step ???

[disturbedite]

well, i've just discovered Elbuntu, an e17 based ubuntu distro.

for anyone that doesn't know...
its new & an unofficial ubuntu derivative as of this writing.

unfortunately, installing it isn't quite as easy as installing ubuntu from kubuntu or vice versa. (there isn't an e17-desktop package or anything like that, that depends on all e17 packages).

but there are repos to install it from, so at least you can do it that way.

but unfortunately, the repo(s) appear to be down atm...

[Rui Pais]

For me the gui way segfaults (on amd64) with both add applications / autostartentries
So I need to do it the way with modify the .e/e/applications/startup/.order file.

Do I need .desktop files for autostart? Do it need an absolute path?
I want to have xcompmgr runs on start...

Yes, it needs absolute paths. it's weird it segfaults... i use 64b too but i haven't that behavior.

About xcompmgr, check this thread here, for some tips:
http://cafelinux.org/forum/index.php/topic,894.0.html

Or you can make a desktop file ~/.local/share/applications/xcompmgr.desktop
[Desktop Entry]
Hidden=false
Name[en_US]=Xcompmgr
NoDisplay=false
Exec=xcompmgr -cCfF -r7 -o.65 -l-10 -t-8 -D7
Type=Application
Version=1.0
Categories=Settings;
StartupNotify=false
GenericName=Xcompmgr
Name=Xcompmgr
Terminal=false
Comment=Xcompmgr
Comment[en_US]=Xcompmgr
GenericName[en_US]=Xcompmgr

good luck.
and from here it's easy to adapt

[Rui Pais]

Here is my easye17.sh file:


so i f I want to use it I should change the $hOME with /root, if I have well understood ?

But I now I will try the PPC version. See you in hours (or tomorrow ;) )...
And thanks for the PDF :)

edit 21h51 : e17 installation seems to work (no erreor) but when choosing the e17 session for login, it says : "No Exec line in the enlightenment session file, start Gnome", and so the gnome session starts...
Here is my enlightenment.desktop file :

What is the next step ???

So the powerpc repo works. Good. Thanks for testing!

I'm a little worried about your enlightenment.desktop. That don't belong to e17-cvs. You are not mixing different e17 installations, aren't you?

This, either the manually running the script or using the e17-cvs installs all under /opt/e17
So the line Exec=/usr/local/bin/enlightenment_start can't work!

can you please post the output of:
ls /opt/e17/bin
ls /usr/local/share/enlightenment
and
ls -l /usr/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop
please?

btw did the script finished well? or it outputed some error?

[Rui Pais]

well, i've just discovered Elbuntu, an e17 based ubuntu distro.

for anyone that doesn't know...
its new & an unofficial ubuntu derivative as of this writing.

unfortunately, installing it isn't quite as easy as installing ubuntu from kubuntu or vice versa. (there isn't an e17-desktop package or anything like that, that depends on all e17 packages).

but there are repos to install it from, so at least you can do it that way.

but unfortunately, the repo(s) appear to be down atm...

hi
well elbuntu it's not exactly a new project (i had even an impression that it's a dying one)

If you are interested in using an e17 distro based on precompiled packages you should check elive, gOS or geubuntu/openGEU and give an eye on Minte17 too (it's close to release i think...)

But, please, note that you must remove completely this install first, before proceed to any of the others, since they conflict (different paths+different dates of code=disaster)

Just a note, openGEU/Geubuntu use the repod that elbuntu used and they have an geubuntu-desktop metapackage that can install all desktop without reinstall OS.
The downsides... binaries became old quickly on this non-released software where changes happen on a daily bases (last time i check binaries were made on November 2007) and you can't fine tune all like on cvs compile.

Pick your choice :)

[Rui Pais]

Hello.

I changed the "border settings" of the OpenOffice.org main window (that one which lets you choose between text, spreadsheet, presentation, etc) to "no border". I did it because of that ugly effect of the yellow windows. The problem now is that I can't have the borders in any of the OO apps launched from that menu.

Does anyone know how to solve this? Thanks,
Rui neonl


Ok, workaround for this:
sudo cp /opt/e17/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj /opt/e17/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default_ORIG.edj

sudo cp <your_actual_theme.edj> /opt/e17/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj
enlightenment_remote -restart

e.g:
sudo cp /opt/e17/share/enlightenment/data/themes/RustedEmerald.edj /opt/e17/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj
gives a much coherent:
56742

hth

neonl, just a funny note... today i discovered a new linux flavour, Onyric Linux v0.2, made by a Portuguese that its considering to implement e17 as desktop. I really envy the code name he get for it's pre release.. "ovelha ranhosa (http://www.hardware.com.pt/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54535&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=e17&start=0)" :lol: (site in Portuguese).

[disturbedite]

If you are interested in using an e17 distro based on precompiled packages you should check elive, gOS or geubuntu/openGEU and give an eye on Minte17 too (it's close to release i think...)

Just a note, openGEU/Geubuntu use the repod that elbuntu used and they have an geubuntu-desktop metapackage that can install all desktop without reinstall OS.
from my understanding, elbuntu is a new(er) idea...

i know about those other distros, but they supplement e with gnome/gtk applications and i prefer kde applications...

EDIT:
after some more research, it appears my only choice (not that its a bad choice, it looks quite nice) is linux mint e17 edition. the release is supposed to be some time this month as i understand it. i will grab the live disc when it is released and try it.

[boowill]

So the powerpc repo works. Good. Thanks for testing!
Well I think it works: it has installed only two missing libraries (the other have been installed with the script I hope), so that's why it was fast. Is there somewhere a log file that I can show you to be sure the installation was ok?

I'm a little worried about your enlightenment.desktop. That don't belong to e17-cvs. You are not mixing different e17 installations, aren't you?
Well I have tried first the script easy_e17.sh without success and next I have tried the e17-cvs PPC deb but without desintalling e17. May be it is a mistake, and I should remove all the e17 stuff and retry the e17-cvs PPC install?
And I remember to have changed the install path in the script from /opt/e17 to /usr/local/e17 as you can see in the header of the easy_e17 script file. I have read this on a howto to install e17 on debian... Maybe it is a mistake too ?! So I think that now my system is a mess !

can you please post the output of
I will post these outputs tonight, right now I am not in front of my computer.

btw did the script finished well? or it outputed some error?
Do you mean the easy_e17 one? I haven't tried to use the easy_e17 script with root as I was focused on the e17-cvs... If you talk about another script, I don't see which one... Should I run the easy_e17 script after the e17-cvs installation ???

Thanks for the time you spend on our problems. :D

[Rui Pais]

from my understanding, elbuntu is a new(er) idea...

i know about those other distros, but they supplement e with gnome/gtk applications and i prefer kde applications...

EDIT:
after some more research, it appears my only choice (not that its a bad choice, it looks quite nice) is linux mint e17 edition. the release is supposed to be some time this month as i understand it. i will grab the live disc when it is released and try it.

well, elbuntu it's the oldest e+ubuntu variation i know, it dates from 2006 at least. What per si is a good thing... should be well tested.

About the preference about kde applications, thats hard to satisfy... i don't know a distro that implements that. Mainly because e17 uses the sames standards (freedesktop.org) as gnome and gtk integrates well (btw, Mint E17 it's gnome based too).
Usually people don't go much for kde ones, apps don't look very well and takes longer to start than the equivalent gtk ones.

Why not use a plain kubuntu and either use this method or add those repos (from elbuntu) to your sources list?
Looks to me a lot of trouble install a full distro just to get some extras from a repo.

[Rui Pais]

Well I think it works: it has installed only two missing libraries (the other have been installed with the script I hope), so that's why it was fast. Is there somewhere a log file that I can show you to be sure the installation was ok?


Well I have tried first the script easy_e17.sh without success and next I have tried the e17-cvs PPC deb but without desintalling e17. May be it is a mistake, and I should remove all the e17 stuff and retry the e17-cvs PPC install?
And I remember to have changed the install path in the script from /opt/e17 to /usr/local/e17 as you can see in the header of the easy_e17 script file. I have read this on a howto to install e17 on debian... Maybe it is a mistake too ?! So I think that now my system is a mess !


I will post these outputs tonight, right now I am not in front of my computer.


Do you mean the easy_e17 one? I haven't tried to use the easy_e17 script with root as I was focused on the e17-cvs... If you talk about another script, I don't see which one... Should I run the easy_e17 script after the e17-cvs installation ???

Thanks for the time you spend on our problems. :D

No problem :)


About your issue.
No, it was not necessary to uninstall before running from repo. e17-cvs was made specifically to take advantage of previous installations. It will only perform an update on if a previous installation it's detected.
But if your previous installation did not finished successfully it will not be able to check that.

A simple solution it's just recompile (it will not download all again :)) e17 again.

Essentially what e17-cvs do it's ensure you have a sane compile environment, needed dependencies, conf files and script (patched). After package installed it's all done from command line using the internal patched script.

So basically what you need is:
1st. remove any manually made enlightenment.desktop (that are not made by easy_e17.sh script, so either you create that file by hand or downloaded from somewhere):
sudo rm /usr/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop
get the correct launcher:
sudo ln -s /opt/e17/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop /usr/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop
reinstall e17:
sudo easy_e17.sh -i
(note that this is not the script you may have download, but the e17-cvs one)

updates after correct install are done by:
sudo easy_e17.sh -u

Let me know if you still get problems after that.
Good luck.

[boowill]

Thank you for the clarifications. I have just one question:
(note that this is not the script you may have download, but the e17-cvs one)
how do I know that I am using the right easy_e17 file? Where is it located?

I will try your solution tonight and will let you know the results.

thanks again :)

[Rui Pais]

Thank you for the clarifications. I have just one question:

how do I know that I am using the right easy_e17 file? Where is it located?

The script is installed on executable defaults path, /usr/bin so you just can run it with:
sudo easy_e17.sh
(contrary to one that you may have on your desktop that requires sudo ./easy_e17.sh)



I will try your solution tonight and will let you know the results.

thanks again :)

Great! Tell us how it goes.
Thank you.

[disturbedite]

Why not use a plain kubuntu and either use this method or add those repos (from elbuntu) to your sources list?
Looks to me a lot of trouble install a full distro just to get some extras from a repo.
as i said before, the elbuntu repos are down. (permanently?)
but when linux mint e17 edition is released i can just try those repos right?
but regardless if i can or not, i will get their live disc (assuming they have one) and try it that way too.

[Rui Pais]

as i said before, the elbuntu repos are down. (permanently?)
but when linux mint e17 edition is released i can just try those repos right?
but regardless if i can or not, i will get their live disc (assuming they have one) and try it that way too.

You are seen them down because you must be looking on some old site. Keep track of elbuntu repos (Albin Tonnerre, Lutin) can be hard sometimes ;).

Check for recent ones here (http://www.dunnewind.net/index.php/e17-repository/).

The repos are (http://e17.dunnewind.net/ubuntu/dists/):
deb http://e17.dunnewind.net/ubuntu gutsy e17
same for elbuntu, openGEU/GEubuntu and Mint e17. This last don't have a cd yet, but have a release planned for soon... theres a thread about that on this forum, on Other OS section.

[smartboyathome]

well, i've just discovered Elbuntu, an e17 based ubuntu distro.

for anyone that doesn't know...
its new & an unofficial ubuntu derivative as of this writing.

unfortunately, installing it isn't quite as easy as installing ubuntu from kubuntu or vice versa. (there isn't an e17-desktop package or anything like that, that depends on all e17 packages).

but there are repos to install it from, so at least you can do it that way.

but unfortunately, the repo(s) appear to be down atm...

Its repos are now on dunnewind.net. That is what Linux Mint 17 will be using. I am uneasy about this, though, since it looks like it takes snapshots from CVS and the last update was from 12-14-07.

[RAV TUX]

Hi Jozef,
No, no more issues with server speed, at least that i noted, either as downloads as browsing CafeLinux sections :)



I am very happy to hear this. ;)

[tekknokrat]

Hi Rui Pais

thank you for your answer!


...
it's weird it segfaults... i use 64b too but i haven't that behavior.

hm, thats indeed strange. Because everything else works fine apart of bling ans sometime the themes wont change.

Could it be because i am using xserver from sid?
Some just in time debug possibilities?
When did you last time did an update of e17?

[tekknokrat]

I wasnt happy using the kde-applications nor the debian-applications.menu because they both showed no categories for me but a whole list of apps I didn't wanted in my menu.

When starting kde the menu always looked fine but not in e17 (symlink applications.menu -> kde-applications.menu). Perhaps some magic in kde itself? Someone else has other experience with kde menu?

Also too lazy to make my own menu I only copied the menu file from the dunnewind package (enlightenment-applications.menu) to /etc/xdg/menus and symlinked it to applications.menu.

Looks fine now :popcorn:

[Rui Pais]

hm, thats indeed strange. Because everything else works fine apart of bling ans sometime the themes wont change.

Could it be because i am using xserver from sid?
Some just in time debug possibilities?
When did you last time did an update of e17?

Maybe xserver on sid has some issue, don't know...
Or maybe some broken e config. Sometimes misterious segfaults disappear with a simple start froma fresh profile.
You can test these by doing with all sessions close, from a console (Ctrl+F1):
mv ~/.e ~/.e_BKUP
and then login.

I had experience crashs a couple of days ago. I got back to code from the previous day and update again after a few hours a nd problem disappeared, maybe you had the bad luck of get exactly the same bad time of cvs code...
I usually update every morning (it's an habit like clean tooth and drink coffee :))


I wasnt happy using the kde-applications nor the debian-applications.menu because they both showed no categories for me but a whole list of apps I didn't wanted in my menu.

When starting kde the menu always looked fine but not in e17 (symlink applications.menu -> kde-applications.menu). Perhaps some magic in kde itself? Someone else has other experience with kde menu?

Also too lazy to make my own menu I only copied the menu file from the dunnewind package (enlightenment-applications.menu) to /etc/xdg/menus and symlinked it to applications.menu.

Looks fine now :popcorn:

Great! Thats a good solution.
I have done the same for OzOS with gnome menus (or if i keep gnome-menus it will bring a lot of gnome dependencies just to have applications.menu file...)

Another way of tweak menus it's using an external menu editor (by hand it's insane).
I recommend alacarte, And if user don't gnome dependencies on his/her box, just take note of what it's installed with alacarte, personalize menu and remove alacarte and all that was installed with it. Simple and easy...
just have to be done once, because any app installed after, got automatically on the menus.

[kelvin spratt]

Rui
This is just a thank you for your work on e17 your latest script is nearly foolproof. On any Flavour of Ubuntu. Also works well on Parsix apart from the menu is not quite as it should be at the moment that not a criticism more of an achievement as parsix is basically Sid with gnome. Just one question why no penguins on the latest script?

[disturbedite]

You are seen them down because you must be looking on some old site. Keep track of elbuntu repos (Albin Tonnerre, Lutin) can be hard sometimes ;).

Check for recent ones here (http://www.dunnewind.net/index.php/e17-repository/).

The repos are (http://e17.dunnewind.net/ubuntu/dists/):
deb http://e17.dunnewind.net/ubuntu gutsy e17same for elbuntu, openGEU/GEubuntu and Mint e17. This last don't have a cd yet, but have a release planned for soon... theres a thread about that on this forum, on Other OS section.
i'm trying to use that repo but when i try to install the e17 virtual package (to install the whole desktop environment) i get this:
e17:
Depends: libevas0-loaders-all but it is not going to be installed
arrgggggggggggggghhhh, its cuz it still depends on libungif4...

[kelvin spratt]

disturbedite
http://e17blog.tuxfamily.org/e17blog_en.php/post/2007/08/09/E17-repository-for-Ubuntu-Gutsy-Gibbon
If you want to use Dunnewind you need to read this it tells you how to install e17 from his repro and use the public key. Remember you need all the ubuntu repros enabled and all traces of e17 must be removed to install or you will keep getting error messages I use both Dunnewind and Rui for E17 no problems with either using a clean install. Hope this helps.

[smartboyathome]

Be aware that you probably won't recieve much support right now with the Dunnewind repos, and that themes WILL be broken with it, since the packages are old (from the middle of december).

[kelvin spratt]

Their is nothing wrong with Dunnewind that is why most Deb based Distros feed from it, Last week Dunnewind updated with no problem also if it does break there are instructions on the blog site on how to get it back up and running just like Rui does with OZ so that is not a problem really, I use both with no problems I started using Dunnewind last June and yes their was a problem in Sept it was a major update but it just needed the correct input in the terminal to fix. and of course the theme makers to update as well. Gutsy came out soon after and broke for many trying to do a distro upgrade that did not make it unreliable or a bit dodgy, OZ, and Dunnewind, and Elive, flavours are the finest examples of what e17 can achieve Mint,is not included as it is not yet released! Simple to install and very stable and do nothing but good for e17. Its very fast developing at the moment and is more stable day by day. Theme breakage is common at the moment in all flavours after updates but the top themes on e17 stuff, and e17org, are usually updaded in 24hrs so again not a problem, Long live e17.

[Rui Pais]

i'm trying to use that repo but when i try to install the e17 virtual package (to install the whole desktop environment) i get this:
e17:
Depends: libevas0-loaders-all but it is not going to be installed
arrgggggggggggggghhhh, its cuz it still depends on libungif4...

disturbedite, i think you are asking to much...
if you want to install over an unstable version of ubuntu + a special requirement, you should stick to the e17 most flexible possible method. Either plain manual install or this e17-cvs.

Lutin repos are great, one of the best and the reason why, as kelvin spratt said, most distros adopted... but pre-compiled binaries have necessarily limitations due to its nature (one can not expect that binary makers can build for every single variations, alpha and pre-releases).
You require that someone do and release a repo for a alpha distro that requires libgif-dev instead of libungif-dev because of kde, another DE... Thats too much specification.

I could attend you request because i simply make my deb when install configuration files, accept any of the -dev eventually installed, compilation was made on your machine, to your needs.
If you require too a compilated binary, the repo should have a libgif-dev and a libungif-deb, (not to mention, several arch for those 2 specifications, or even several ubuntu flavors for those specification).
Thats absolutely impracticable, either on time of repo maker as space for binaries.

[Rui Pais]

Rui
This is just a thank you for your work on e17 your latest script is nearly foolproof. On any Flavour of Ubuntu. Also works well on Parsix apart from the menu is not quite as it should be at the moment that not a criticism more of an achievement as parsix is basically Sid with gnome. Just one question why no penguins on the latest script?

Thanks Kelvin.
Thats what i tried from the beginning, doing a tool that could help people install e17 from cvs easily on a large set of distro or even minimal installs. A tool for easiness but flexible and power enough to work on those variety of environments.

I'm glad that it turns quite right and seems indeed to work very well on those conditions :)

My main obstacle has been, so far, get troubles for doing things that in bash are more elegant but strangely fail when run by automated dpkg (like the annoying problem of breakage of dpkg on remove...)


About menus, thats not directly related with e17-cvs. CVS code don't creates a full menu... so i implemented on Oz OS with a copy of application.menu, but i like to keep that implementation on oz-desktop package and leave e17-cvs the more straight approach to e17 cvs code as possible. I will add a note on 1st post to how to install a copy of menu on installs that may not provide once. Thanks for bring the subject!

About penguins, well they are cute :)
... but the idea it's to keep it simple as possible and avoid much extras, and as funny as they are i doubt that any user will keep that module loaded much time. It's very distracting when one tries to concentrate on work and that flock of crazy creatures are behave wild everywhere in the screen :lol:
(besides adds an extra amount of time and effort on old computers)


Their is nothing wrong with Dunnewind that is why most Deb based Distros feed from it, Last week Dunnewind updated with no problem also if it does break there are instructions on the blog site on how to get it back up and running just like Rui does with OZ so that is not a problem really, I use both with no problems I started using Dunnewind last June and yes their was a problem in Sept it was a major update but it just needed the correct input in the terminal to fix. and of course the theme makers to update as well. Gutsy came out soon after and broke for many trying to do a distro upgrade that did not make it unreliable or a bit dodgy, OZ, and Dunnewind, and Elive, flavours are the finest examples of what e17 can achieve Mint,is not included as it is not yet released! Simple to install and very stable and do nothing but good for e17. Its very fast developing at the moment and is more stable day by day. Theme breakage is common at the moment in all flavours after updates but the top themes on e17 stuff, and e17org, are usually updaded in 24hrs so again not a problem, Long live e17.

Of course, the problem of theme breakage it's common to any e17 version, but became more annoying on pre-binary installs for theme developers, because if they want to stick to a particular distro or repo they may have to maintain an old version of the theme until distro or repo update.

Thats the case the smartbouyathome refers.
Themes specification are different since a week or two, but those repos are older than that. So either one have to maintain an updated version or develop themes specifically for that repo but that soon will became outdated (when Lutin update the repo)...

[eFFeeMMe]

I cannot seem to install ewl, and from what I get it's the widgets library. Pretty important one, not to skip. So, what can I do?

[Rui Pais]

I cannot seem to install ewl, and from what I get it's the widgets library. Pretty important one, not to skip. So, what can I do?

Yes it's important, you can't skip it.
Thats one of the most problematic ones (every once in a while seems to get a problem that refuses to install at first shot :()

Just try to repeat
sudo apt-get install e17-cvs
2 or 3 times until it finishes successfully.

Sorry. Thats a cvs code problem... i will upload again a version with a patch for that.

Rui


EDIT:
OK. A patched version it's available now.

[eFFeeMMe]

It worked. Thanks a lot :)

[Rui Pais]

It worked. Thanks a lot :)

Good!

I will not remove the patch again so soon... it's definitely better to play safe.

:)

[tekknokrat]

one minor issue I now have - beside the on with marking a word as a whole in a text field with Ctrl+Alt Cursor Left|Right...

is that everytime I start enlightenment 2 icons are created in my desktop for my disk and my usbcarddevice. They don't even have icons and look ugly. I think this is some dbus/hal magic but i can't find a option to disable this.

any clues?

@rui pais i am using your blackemerald theme now which looks most elegant out of all themes i tested :-)

[eFFeeMMe]

Err sorry to bother again, but how do I actually get enlightenment to run on startup instead of GNOME?

[Rui Pais]

one minor issue I now have - beside the on with marking a word as a whole in a text field with Ctrl+Alt Cursor Left|Right...
Very annoying that one, i always change it (OzOS get that changed automatically):
Configuration > Configuration Panel > Keyboard & Mouse > Key Bindings
Search for the keys you want (i think you wanted to say Ctrl+Shift+Left|right): edit or delete the existent combination (i simple delete it to get the usual behavior).


is that everytime I start enlightenment 2 icons are created in my desktop for my disk and my usbcarddevice. They don't even have icons and look ugly. I think this is some dbus/hal magic but i can't find a option to disable this.

any clues?

You need to disable icons on desktop (i don't know other method).
Simply unload the 'File Manager' on Modules section of Configuration Panel.


@rui pais i am using your blackemerald theme now which looks most elegant out of all themes i tested :-)

Thanks! I'm glad you like it. :)

[Rui Pais]

Err sorry to bother again, but how do I actually get enlightenment to run on startup instead of GNOME?

No problem :)
Thats a gdm configuration.
When you login it should ask you if you want to make Enlightenment the default session. Just say yes, and it's done.

You can do it by hand, editing the file ~/.dmrc
Change it to get the line:
Session=enlightenment
instead of gnome.

[eFFeeMMe]

Thanks. I've tried E, but it's kinda screwed - it cannot change screen resolution(claiming a module was lacking), and on startup the first time it asked me to unload many modules. How can I fix these issues?

[Rui Pais]

Thanks. I've tried E, but it's kinda screwed - it cannot change screen resolution(claiming a module was lacking), and on startup the first time it asked me to unload many modules. How can I fix these issues?

For the first question.
Thats a known "issue". You must edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and delete any resolutions higher than the ones that your monitor really can stand (in fact it's more a feature, since it's preventing you change for resolutions listed by xorg.conf but dangerous to your monitor and that others DEs seems to be less conservative).

About the second i don't understand exactly what happened... do you mind recompile all e17:
sudo easy_e17.sh -i
to make sure that ll modules are compiled again.
Make an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade first to ensure you have the latest e17-cvs.
Compile all again it's annoying but maybe it cleans something lost from your previous abort installation.

Good luck.
Tell me how it goes.

(btw can you reload successfully the modules again?)

[eFFeeMMe]

About the second i don't understand exactly what happened... do you mind recompile all e17:

I don't mind. I liked Enlightenment so much I'd go through much more than just asking for help to get it working :)

I'm recompiling ATM. Thanks for the fast help! :)

[eFFeeMMe]

Hm. Still the same problem, even after a succesful recompilation. It didn't complain about modules lacking(and asking me to go on or unload them), but it still says that Xrandr is missing(it isn't), and won't let me use a comfortable resolution(it treats my monitor as widescreen whereas it's not). The login manager has the same resolution problem by the way.

[Rui Pais]

Hm. Still the same problem, even after a succesful recompilation. It didn't complain about modules lacking(and asking me to go on or unload them), but it still says that Xrandr is missing(it isn't), and won't let me use a comfortable resolution(it treats my monitor as widescreen whereas it's not). The login manager has the same resolution problem by the way.

So the module problems are solved.

The other one it's not an e17 problem. it's an incorrect resolution value on xorg.conf file (and thats why it affect too the login manager that it has nothing to do with e17)
Backup your actual xorg.conf:
sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_BAKUP

and after that do:
sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
choosing only resolutions you know your monitor are capable.

Restart Xserver (ctrl+Alt+Backspace) and see if its working.

[eFFeeMMe]

Alright, almost everything is fine, just a pair more silly questions :p

Are there any good E resources(widgets, decorators, etc) sites? E-stuff was really poor on content...
How do I change my keyboard layout to another language?

[Rui Pais]

Alright, almost everything is fine, just a pair more silly questions :p

Are there any good E resources(widgets, decorators, etc) sites? E-stuff was really poor on content...
How do I change my keyboard layout to another language?

Ah, good to know you solved your issues till now!

About resources, well e-stuff.org it's in fact the best (although some things are not much updated...). You can try too www.get-e.org (less stuff, but more updated). It's a poor known environment... not a unch of people write things are done for it.

About keyboard, That should be set again in your xorg.conf... I know other DEs change this setting from inside, but i don't think e17 can do that for the moment. If you have gnome or kde you can use they tools for doing that... not much clean workaround... :(

[disturbedite]

disturbedite
http://e17blog.tuxfamily.org/e17blog_en.php/post/2007/08/09/E17-repository-for-Ubuntu-Gutsy-Gibbon
If you want to use Dunnewind you need to read this it tells you how to install e17 from his repro and use the public key. Remember you need all the ubuntu repros enabled and all traces of e17 must be removed to install or you will keep getting error messages I use both Dunnewind and Rui for E17 no problems with either using a clean install. Hope this helps.
i did all that already. its a dependency conflict, nothing else.
its not that big of a deal tho.
i think i'll just install e16 from the ubuntu repo...

[RAV TUX]

I don't mind. I liked Enlightenment so much I'd go through much more than just asking for help to get it working :)

I'm recompiling ATM. Thanks for the fast help! :)It's good to see that you like enlightenment so much. ;)

[boowill]

About your issue.
No, it was not necessary to uninstall before running from repo. e17-cvs was made specifically to take advantage of previous installations. It will only perform an update on if a previous installation it's detected.
But if your previous installation did not finished successfully it will not be able to check that.

A simple solution it's just recompile (it will not download all again ) e17 again.

Essentially what e17-cvs do it's ensure you have a sane compile environment, needed dependencies, conf files and script (patched). After package installed it's all done from command line using the internal patched script.

So basically what you need is:
1st. remove any manually made enlightenment.desktop (that are not made by easy_e17.sh script, so either you create that file by hand or downloaded from somewhere):
Code:
sudo rm /usr/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop
get the correct launcher:
Code:
sudo ln -s /opt/e17/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop /usr/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop
reinstall e17:
Code:
sudo easy_e17.sh -i
(note that this is not the script you may have download, but the e17-cvs one)

updates after correct install are done by:
Code:
sudo easy_e17.sh -u
Let me know if you still get problems after that.
Good luck.

Hello guys!
After a Week End of trying to fix my e17 (well I was skiing too... :) ), I was a little desesperate, but the light comes from Rui!
Well, in fact what Rui has written for my case (see above) was not working, I don't know why...
So I have done the following:
rm /root/e17_cvs
rm ~/e17_cvs (i don't why this was there !!!)
rm /usr/local/bin/e*
update and install e17_cvs
and lunch the script
and ... it works!!!!!!!!! :guitar:

so now I will play with e17 (it looks a bit slow, but my iMac is too...)

I would like to thank a lot Rui for his help and for his good-natured tolerance and give him a forum thanks for his very very great job! :):):):):)

[Rui Pais]

Hello guys!
After a Week End of trying to fix my e17 (well I was skiing too... :) ), I was a little desesperate, but the light comes from Rui!
Well, in fact what Rui has written for my case (see above) was not working, I don't know why...
So I have done the following:
rm /root/e17_cvs
rm ~/e17_cvs (i don't why this was there !!!)
rm /usr/local/bin/e*
update and install e17_cvs
and lunch the script
and ... it works!!!!!!!!! :guitar:

so now I will play with e17 (it looks a bit slow, but my iMac is too...)

I would like to thank a lot Rui for his help and for his good-natured tolerance and give him a forum thanks for his very very great job! :):)

Thank You for the kind words :D
I'm glad to hear that you got a working e17!

Just as a note, if you had e stuff on /usr/local/bin (menaning that you already tried to install from other way/sources), thats the problem. Diferent e17 methods conflict, since lib paths get mixed and binaries work/compile incorrectly.

Have fun,
see you around :)

[fluteflute]

I'm getting an error when installing. The last few lines of my /tmp/easy_e17/install_logs/e.log are below.

done.
./usr/bin/msgmerge --update fr_CH.po enlightenment.pot
.................................................. ................. done.
rm -f bg.gmo && /usr/bin/msgfmt -c --statistics -o bg.gmo bg.po
1164 translated messages, 55 fuzzy translations, 44 untranslated messages.
rm -f de.gmo && /usr/bin/msgfmt -c --statistics -o de.gmo de.po
.1135 translated messages, 91 fuzzy translations, 37 untranslated messages.
rm -f eo.gmo && /usr/bin/msgfmt -c --statistics -o eo.gmo eo.po
1116 translated messages, 47 fuzzy translations, 100 untranslated messages.
rm -f es.gmo && /usr/bin/msgfmt -c --statistics -o es.gmo es.po
1204 translated messages, 53 fuzzy translations, 6 untranslated messages.
..........................................rm -f fi.gmo && /usr/bin/msgfmt -c --statistics -o fi.gmo fi.po
.........../usr/bin/msgfmt: (null): warning: PO file header fuzzy
warning: older versions of msgfmt will give an error on this
fi.po:3760: number of format specifications in 'msgid' and 'msgstr' does not match
fi.po:3782: number of format specifications in 'msgid' and 'msgstr' does not match
/usr/bin/msgfmt: found 2 fatal errors
1164 translated messages, 68 fuzzy translations, 31 untranslated messages.
make[3]: *** [fi.gmo] Error 1
make[3]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
.................................................. .................................................. .................... done.
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/greg/.e17_cvs/e17/apps/e/po'
make[2]: *** [stamp-po] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/greg/.e17_cvs/e17/apps/e/po'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/greg/.e17_cvs/e17/apps/e'
make: *** [all] Error 2

[disturbedite]

as for the conflict between libgif-dev & libungif4-dev, it apparently has been resolved on hardy.
in order to make backports to gutsy easier, the devs/package maintainers have made the packages that depend on libgif & libungif interchangeable. in other words, any package that depended on them before can accept libgif OR libungif. so no more conflict.

[Rui Pais]

I'm getting an error when installing. The last few lines of my /tmp/easy_e17/install_logs/e.log are below.

done.
./usr/bin/msgmerge --update fr_CH.po enlightenment.pot
.................................................. ................. done.
rm -f bg.gmo && /usr/bin/msgfmt -c --statistics -o bg.gmo bg.po
1164 translated messages, 55 fuzzy translations, 44 untranslated messages.
rm -f de.gmo && /usr/bin/msgfmt -c --statistics -o de.gmo de.po
.1135 translated messages, 91 fuzzy translations, 37 untranslated messages.
rm -f eo.gmo && /usr/bin/msgfmt -c --statistics -o eo.gmo eo.po
1116 translated messages, 47 fuzzy translations, 100 untranslated messages.
rm -f es.gmo && /usr/bin/msgfmt -c --statistics -o es.gmo es.po
1204 translated messages, 53 fuzzy translations, 6 untranslated messages.
..........................................rm -f fi.gmo && /usr/bin/msgfmt -c --statistics -o fi.gmo fi.po
.........../usr/bin/msgfmt: (null): warning: PO file header fuzzy
warning: older versions of msgfmt will give an error on this
fi.po:3760: number of format specifications in 'msgid' and 'msgstr' does not match
fi.po:3782: number of format specifications in 'msgid' and 'msgstr' does not match
/usr/bin/msgfmt: found 2 fatal errors
1164 translated messages, 68 fuzzy translations, 31 untranslated messages.
make[3]: *** [fi.gmo] Error 1
make[3]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
.................................................. .................................................. .................... done.
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/greg/.e17_cvs/e17/apps/e/po'
make[2]: *** [stamp-po] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/greg/.e17_cvs/e17/apps/e/po'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/greg/.e17_cvs/e17/apps/e'
make: *** [all] Error 2

yes seems that someone updated a broken Finnish translation :(
try to replace the file .e17_cvs/apps/e/po/fi.po
by the previous one:
http://www.enlightenment.org/viewvc/e17/apps/e/po/fi.po?revision=1.09

hth

[Rui Pais]

as for the conflict between libgif-dev & libungif4-dev, it apparently has been resolved on hardy.
in order to make backports to gutsy easier, the devs/package maintainers have made the packages that depend on libgif & libungif interchangeable. in other words, any package that depended on them before can accept libgif OR libungif. so no more conflict.

Good. Thats seems to be a correct option.
Seems to be something that kde devs forget to preview...

(note that e17-cvs too compile against the available one)

[neonl]

Hello Rui and all :)

Annoying problem: the theme changing theme is buggy! This means that whenever I enter this menu, I get that message of "this is very bad, recover or exit, yadda yadda yadda" and I can't change the theme (which is the default one at the moment).

If you can help me, I thank you in advance,

Regards,
neonl

[Rui Pais]

Hello Rui and all :)

Annoying problem: the theme changing theme is buggy! This means that whenever I enter this menu, I get that message of "this is very bad, recover or exit, yadda yadda yadda" and I can't change the theme (which is the default one at the moment).

If you can help me, I thank you in advance,

Regards,
neonl

Hi neonl, sorry to hear about it... how new are your e17 (when you update last time?)
in the last couple of days cvs code has been a little unstable for my taste (shelfs auto-hide behave bad, po files fail to compile...)

If you update after 19/01/08 try to clean you source and do the code of that day.

hth

[neonl]

Hi neonl, sorry to hear about it... how new are your e17 (when you update last time?)
in the last couple of days cvs code has been a little unstable for my taste (shelfs auto-hide behave bad, po files fail to compile...)

If you update after 19/01/08 try to clean you source and do the code of that day.

hth

Mine is terribly new (é a chatice de nunca parar quieto) I'm still doing experiments with distros and I got back to Ubuntu today. So it's a fresh install. I noticed that part of .po files failing to compile. The part of the theme menu is the most annoying.

So, the solution is to compile a legacy of 19/Jan?

Thanks for answering ;)

[Rui Pais]

Mine is terribly new (é a chatice de nunca parar quieto) I'm still doing experiments with distros and I got back to Ubuntu today. So it's a fresh install. I noticed that part of .po files failing to compile. The part of the theme menu is the most annoying.

So, the solution is to compile a legacy of 19/Jan?

Thanks for answering ;)

(chatice ou pica ;))

maybe it just needs a fresh profile (it's always better check this first)
logout from any e17 session and from a console (Ctrl+Alt+F1) or another DE do a:
mv ~/.e ~/_e_BKUP
then login to e17 and try to change theme and check around...

I experienced a weird effect with shelfs set to auto-hide. they seem to not react to the mouse entering it unless i search for very specific points (probably module issues 'cause with some shelfs that don't happen...)

If that don't solve nothing, yes, you have to live with that goo'n'Ol' version :)

[neonl]

(chatice ou pica ;))

maybe it just needs a fresh profile (it's always better check this first)
logout from any e17 session and from a console (Ctrl+Alt+F1) or another DE do a:
mv ~/.e ~/_e_BKUP
then login to e17 and try to change theme and check around...

I experienced a weird effect with shelfs set to auto-hide. they seem to not react to the mouse entering it unless i search for very specific points (probably module issues 'cause with some shelfs that don't happen...)

If that don't solve nothing, yes, you have to live with that goo'n'Ol' version :)

Uhmmm. The method of "refreshing" the new profile doesn't work (I had already tried a few hours ago :().

Now I'm going to bed but tomorrow I'll check on last stable version :)

Good night (those who are near GM :D)

[disturbedite]

Good. Thats seems to be a correct option.
Seems to be something that kde devs forget to preview...

(note that e17-cvs too compile against the available one)
i don't know why the devs didn't think of doing that in the first place...

[boowill]

Hello all !
Now i have a working e17, but the default theme is not really pleasant for me with its gold stuff.
I have tried themes from e17-stuff and get-e, but no one is really nice for me.
I have installed the Rui one, the black one, but the fonts are black too and it is not easy to see them. So is there any easy way to change the font color of the menu, buttons, etc..., as well as the stuff of the "close window", "full screen window", you know the ones that are on the right top corner of the windows. Well I think it should be possible as e17 is highly configurable !!! ;)
So if someone has a how-to...

Thanks

[Rui Pais]

Hello all !
Now i have a working e17, but the default theme is not really pleasant for me with its gold stuff.
I have tried themes from e17-stuff and get-e, but no one is really nice for me.
I have installed the Rui one, the black one, but the fonts are black too and it is not easy to see them. So is there any easy way to change the font color of the menu, buttons, etc..., as well as the stuff of the "close window", "full screen window", you know the ones that are on the right top corner of the windows. Well I think it should be possible as e17 is highly configurable !!! ;)
So if someone has a how-to...

Thanks

Try:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3530286&postcount=57
:)

[neonl]

Finally it is stable. It's a shame that the auto-hiding shelves aren't working, yet.:(

[boowill]

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...6&postcount=57 ->Great!
Unfortunately it don't have the edje_decc commande :( (that is a shame cause i would like to remove the full tansparency of the shelf...)
But fortunately, your version of Cthulhain is really nice and i have installed it! Associated with the zniavre gnome theme, gtk applications look not too bad... :)

[Rui Pais]

Finally it is stable. It's a shame that the auto-hiding shelves aren't working, yet.:(

Still failing on that? (i haven't update since 19/01)
It's very annoying :(

Great!
Unfortunately it don't have the edje_decc commande :(
But fortunately, your version of Cthulhain is really nice and i have installed it! Associated with the zniavre gnome theme, gtk applications look not too bad... :)

weird... edje_* are part of the edje package. It should exist.
Whats the output of:
ls /opt/e17/bin/edje*

I'm glad you like ctHulhain. I used for months too.
I didn't know zniavre theme (http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/zniavre?content=72328). Looks very well chosen to match ctHulhain.

[kelvin spratt]

Rui
Just an update on the oz desktop its going strong which is good most only last a day for me so you have done a good job, I've added some bits of XFCE panel accessible from the menu to supplement system settings ala mint.Insalled gtk theme and icon switcher, Recompiled the penguins just 3 of them running round, Its pretty stable at the moment and comparable to my own efforts. Compiling is very hard for me. So using a good script saves me lots of time correcting. On another hd I've got Parsix your script would not compile on it this time round so I used Edevelope script but it not the best it seems Debian athough e17 is in testing is a long way behind with stability and Menus, so i'm fiddling with Parsix they have just released the latest Version 2 weeks since the last one, They work really fast with the distro so I might do a clean install and see if I can use your script again as I did the first time. That the trouble with testing dependencies are their one day gone the next and can be back the next so Parsix is for playing. Ox is as stable as Gnome or KDE. But for serious work yes I do some its Elive Gem unfortunately its so stable.

[Rui Pais]

Rui
Just an update on the oz desktop its going strong which is good most only last a day for me so you have done a good job,
Thanks kelvin, I'm glad if it helps :)

I've added some bits of XFCE panel accessible from the menu to supplement system settings ala mint.Insalled gtk theme and icon switcher,
May i suggest you gave a look at fbpanel too.
It's very light and can support a lot of things as other panels.
It's the solution that openGEU it's adopting...
if you go with XFCE (or gnome) panel you will get troubles to close your session. IF you really prefer to use XFCE, give me a word and i give you a patch for e17-cvs to get e17 session closed.

Recompiled the penguins just 3 of them running round, Its pretty stable at the moment and comparable to my own efforts. Compiling is very hard for me. So using a good script saves me lots of time correcting.
Yes thats a good part of scripts. It saves the author a lot of time because they automatized tasks done repeatedly and can be used by many without knowledge benefiting from others experience :)
Please note that the base of this method it's the excellent script from Morlenxus (that btw he adapt from other light scripts) and that i adapt for Debian distros and sanized for the world of non-developers.
I imagine your desktop with 3 cute pingos reading under your windows, perforating they borders and committing suicide from high jumps :lol:

On another hd I've got Parsix your script would not compile on it this time round so I used Edevelope script but it not the best it seems Debian athough e17 is in testing is a long way behind with stability and Menus, so i'm fiddling with Parsix they have just released the latest Version 2 weeks since the last one, They work really fast with the distro so I might do a clean install and see if I can use your script again as I did the first time. That the trouble with testing dependencies are their one day gone the next and can be back the next so Parsix is for playing.

Parsix i never tried (Don't tell me you write in Persian?)
Did the package failed to install or script fail to compile. If it was this late one, it's normal, cvs tree has been a little instable...

Ox is as stable as Gnome or KDE. But for serious work yes I do some its Elive Gem unfortunately its so stable.

Unfortunately no, fortunately. Good to see that e17 appears more and more on distros and constantly growing in stability.
I'm very happy to know that elive continues it's good work!
I have a great admiration for that distro. They are brave pioneers, implementing a good e17 much before practically anyone did.

[kelvin spratt]

The bits of XFCE I use do not effect the running in any way as its just a way to group things together on a control panel that you only open when required. like the gnome control panel.

Gebuntu uses to many resourses I use under 80mb ram with 3 penguins and animated icons and slight animation on the background.

Parsix is in English as well with no translation problems. It was dependencies coarsing it to fail but as I said Parsix is so testing 40-50 updates a day on ave, 3 kernals in 2 weeks and with CVS doing a bit of chopping and changing at the same time just a bad day.

Its a shame that I haven't got 64bit available as I would have run up your ISO?.

Elive is what made me fall in love with E17 that guy has put his heart and soul into it. The only problem is Gem is so stable its boring? Its been there since .67 all iv'e done is update to Gem every thing just works.just do the updates I reckon in 10 years time it could still be running its never even crashed and I use Cinelerra and Devede all day every day on it. When I was using XP every couple of hrs I had to restart due to mem leakage Elive runs weeks on end.

[Rui Pais]

The bits of XFCE I use do not effect the running in any way as its just a way to group things together on a control panel that you only open when required. like the gnome control panel.

Gebuntu uses to many resourses I use under 80mb ram with 3 penguins and animated icons and slight animation on the background.
I didn't explain myself well... i mean light in terms of dependencies (not much relevant if one already have the other DE, xfce in this case, installed)

The issue i talk about it's not during the running session, but at close of it. You must close manually the panel or ask e to close it after a big amount of time (e can't close it gently, must be forced...)


Parsix is in English as well with no translation problems. It was dependencies coarsing it to fail but as I said Parsix is so testing 40-50 updates a day on ave, 3 kernals in 2 weeks and with CVS doing a bit of chopping and changing at the same time just a bad day.

Yes i guess so. Even on hardy, that moves much slower, thing can g while on dependencies, like the libgif/libungif issue that appeared awhile... Anyway, if you get any dependencies broken in future, please take note, so i can see if i can make e17-cvs handle the situation.
I want to make it the more flexible possible to all debian based distros (not only Oz or Ubuntu)


Its a shame that I haven't got 64bit available as I would have run up your ISO?.

Yes, i know it's bad for 32 bits users, but you see i work only in 64bits now, and it's work enough do this almost all by myself and even impose to do it on other system (the last 32 bits i have it's a feisty...) would be very hard.
But now i have all almost settled and much more experience... a 32 bits will be faster to do (i want to make it lighter, too)


Elive is what made me fall in love with E17 that guy has put his heart and soul into it. The only problem is Gem is so stable its boring? Its been there since .67 all iv'e done is update to Gem every thing just works.just do the updates I reckon in 10 years time it could still be running its never even crashed and I use Cinelerra and Devede all day every day on it. When I was using XP every couple of hrs I had to restart due to mem leakage Elive runs weeks on end.
:)

[neonl]

Hello :)

Did anyone recently try bling module on Gutsy to see if it it working well (without the invisible windows issue?

Btw, although the CVS code is more stable now, there are some unsolved problems yet so I want to return to an older code, which is the correct method to do this?

[neonl]

Another question, this one for Rui Pais.

How exactly are your icons to Thunar in the ibar? I mean, I have two "applications" there: one is the standard Thunar icon from the application menu with a little "house" icon picture. The other is a new application that I created with "thunar /" for the root filesystem. My issue is that if I open thunar by the "home" shortcut and inside thunar I go to the root filesystem, the application icon remains the same...

I don't know if my question is understandable, if not, please tell so I can explain better :)

[smartboyathome]

Hello :)

Did anyone recently try bling module on Gutsy to see if it it working well (without the invisible windows issue?

Btw, although the CVS code is more stable now, there are some unsolved problems yet so I want to return to an older code, which is the correct method to do this?

There hasn't been any work on it for a while, so I haven't bothered. It didn't work with Gutsy the last time I tried.

[Rui Pais]

Hello :)
Btw, although the CVS code is more stable now, there are some unsolved problems yet so I want to return to an older code, which is the correct method to do this?
Hi neonl.
Just do this:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2965800&postcount=461
and replace of course the dates for the actual ones:
-D 20070704 -> -D 20080119

hth

Another question, this one for Rui Pais.

How exactly are your icons to Thunar in the ibar? I mean, I have to "applications" there: one is the standard Thunar icon from the application menu with a little "house" icon picture. The other is a new application that I created with "thunar /" for the root filesystem. My issue is that if I open thunar by the "home" shortcut and inside thunar I go to the root filesystem, the application icon remains the same...

I don't know if my question is understandable, if not, please tell so I can explain better :)

Yes i think i understand it... the question it's that they are not different applications, just same thunar with different paths, so it shows the same icons.
Even if you tunned the icons differently e17 will assign (that i know) for thunar the icon that the launcher add at start until you close it and launch it with other icon...

Tell me if that it's not the answer for your question and our _pt brains are conflicting with our _en tongues (/fingers)

[neonl]

Hi neonl.
Just do this:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2965800&postcount=461
and replace of course the dates for the actual ones:
-D 20070704 -> -D 20080119

hth

I was asking because I had already see this post but with the cafelinux.org repos method the paths are different and I don't know what to do exactly and I'm afraid of escangalhar a coisa

Yes i think i understand it... the question it's that they are not different applications, just same thunar with different paths, so it shows the same icons.
Even if you tunned the icons differently e17 will assign (that i know) for thunar the icon that the launcher add at start until you close it and launch it with other icon...

Tell me if that it's not the answer for your question and our _pt brains are conflicting with our _en tongues (/fingers)

Yes, it was that. So, the windows will always keep the icon of the launcher, right?
___________

Btw, I'm seeding the torrent. The edonkey sharing will have to be forthe other week. (agora vou-me entreter com estática e dinâmica de fluidos, principio de Arquimedes, e óptica geométrica

[Rui Pais]

I was asking because I had already see this post but with the cafelinux.org repos method the paths are different and I don't know what to do exactly and I'm afraid of escangalhar a coisa

No problem, those paths are the same, because the related with enlightenment cvs server directly.


Yes, it was that. So, the windows will always keep the icon of the launcher, right?

Right. At least that i know... (since i have gnome installed too i use nautilus to see "system", just because i have a weird pen that sometimes it's hard to accept to mount after been ejected once... and for some mysterious reason nautilus see it more times than thunar. Coisas)



Btw, I'm seeding the torrent. The edonkey sharing will have to be forthe other week. (agora vou-me entreter com estática e dinâmica de fluidos, principio de Arquimedes, e óptica geométrica
No problem at all with the donkeys :)
(boy you seems to have the full collection of the most boring stuff on phys... thats a general plan to make students hate the subject. The only interesting thing its fluids dynamics and it requires a much more advanced level to became really wild ;))

[neonl]

No problem, those paths are the same, because the related with enlightenment cvs server directly.But in the first step, you have to docd e17_cvs/he says that the it is an nonexistent folder...

[Rui Pais]

But in the first step, you have to docd e17_cvs/he says that the it is an nonexistent folder...

Ahh, i see. The old morlenxus script path.
It's cd .e17_cvs now. I will correct the original post, to avoid mistakes.

Thanks for call my attention to it.


Edit (oops it's on the old thread, closed. I'll change my 1st post, instead)

[neonl]

Ahh, i see. The old morlenxus script path.
It's cd .e17_cvs now. I will correct the original post, to avoid mistakes.

Thanks for call my attention to it.


Edit (oops it's on the old thread, closed. I'll change my 1st post, instead)

Ok, it's simple. I'm downloading the 19/Jan/2008 source.

EDIT: compiling

[celyst]

I've just installed e17-cvs by following the instructions on the first post, and everything 's great. Now how do I get entranced working? Is it included in the e17-cvs package? If not, where can I get it?

FYI, I am doing this install after doing a command-line install of Ubuntu 7.10. I've only installed xorg and e17-cvs so far, besides the base system.

[Rui Pais]

Ok, it's simple. I'm downloading the 19/Jan/2008 source.

EDIT: compiling

Good. It should go well, now.


I've just installed e17-cvs by following the instructions on the first post, and everything 's great. Now how do I get entranced working? Is it included in the e17-cvs package? If not, where can I get it?

FYI, I am doing this install after doing a command-line install of Ubuntu 7.10. I've only installed xorg and e17-cvs so far, besides the base system.

Thats my favorite way to install too :)
About entance, i give up on that, cause it was always too unstable...
and it misses some features i find fundamental.
But you can try, of course (i found it unusually harder on ubuntu).

Just edit file: /etc/.easy_e17.conf and remove it from the --skip list and do:
sudo easy_e17.sh --only=entrance
to install it.
To configure you must do some google search. If i found some good tip or howto i point it to it.

[celyst]

Thanks :). Ah, the joys of quick replies via a forum. I've been googling for nearly an hour for a method to install entranced. No wonder everyone starts a new thread when they have a problem.

[celyst]

Wait, it isn't working. I removed entrance from the .easy_e17.conf file and did "sudo easy_e17.sh --only=entrance", but it isn't installing anything.

[Rui Pais]

Thanks :). Ah, the joys of quick replies via a forum. I've been googling for nearly an hour for a method to install entranced. No wonder everyone starts a new thread when they have a problem.

Wait, it isn't working. I removed entrance from the .easy_e17.conf file and did "sudo easy_e17.sh --only=entrance", but it isn't installing anything.

sorry, i must had remove it from my patched version of easy_e17.sh.

You need to edit too:
/usr/bin/easy_e17.sh
and replace line 26
apps="e eclair evfs..."
by
apps="e entrance eclair evfs ..."

[celyst]

Got it to install, but I can't login with my account... I think this whole Enlightenment thing is way above my head right now. I'm gonna do a reinstall and go for kdm this time instead of entrance. Hopefully that turns out better, else I might just give up and go for Xubuntu...

But just for the sake of learning, how do I log in using Entrance?

[Rui Pais]

Got it to install, but I can't login with my account... I think this whole Enlightenment thing is way above my head right now. I'm gonna do a reinstall and go for kdm this time instead of entrance. Hopefully that turns out better, else I might just give up and go for Xubuntu...

But just for the sake of learning, how do I log in using Entrance?

I don't know... i always get weird issues like that with entrance. Once it allow me to entry but only once... if i logout, the second time failed.

There is no need to really reinstall. Just install kdm:
sudo apt-get install kdm
and log normally from there. It's much more easy.
If you prefer something light you have xdm or slim (http://slim.berlios.de).

[celyst]

It's all these dependencies, Linux keeps on installing so much "junk" everytime I grab a package. When I screw up and want to remove it, I can't get rid of it all, and so I end up restarting from scratch to make it "clean".

So, how do I use that easy_e17.sh script to remove entrance?

And if you want to know, I'm doing this on the Eee PC. Installing it to a 4GB SDHC so I'm really aiming to make as compact an installation as possible :). I was at 541M with just the base system + xorg, but that's still a far cry from the near-to-2GB full install of Ubuntu.

Perhaps I'll try slim first. xdm is out cos it looks really plain, and I heard it's quite a lot of trouble to configure it manually. Any difference between kdm and gdm? I've barely skimmed the surface when it comes to using Linux.

[smartboyathome]

Got it to install, but I can't login with my account... I think this whole Enlightenment thing is way above my head right now. I'm gonna do a reinstall and go for kdm this time instead of entrance. Hopefully that turns out better, else I might just give up and go for Xubuntu...

But just for the sake of learning, how do I log in using Entrance?

Because of where morlenxus' script installs entrance, I don't think you can login with it. You have to install it manually from CVS so that it installs the correct files to /etc/init.d and /etc/pam.d.

[smartboyathome]

It's all these dependencies, Linux keeps on installing so much "junk" everytime I grab a package. When I screw up and want to remove it, I can't get rid of it all, and so I end up restarting from scratch to make it "clean".

So, how do I use that easy_e17.sh script to remove entrance?

And if you want to know, I'm doing this on the Eee PC. Installing it to a 4GB SDHC so I'm really aiming to make as compact an installation as possible :). I was at 541M with just the base system + xorg, but that's still a far cry from the near-to-2GB full install of Ubuntu.

Perhaps I'll try slim first. xdm is out cos it looks really plain, and I heard it's quite a lot of trouble to configure it manually. Any difference between kdm and gdm? I've barely skimmed the surface when it comes to using Linux.

The difference between KDM and GDM is that GDM goes with GNOME, and KDM goes with KDE (they have different GUI configs).

[Rui Pais]

It's all these dependencies, Linux keeps on installing so much "junk" everytime I grab a package. When I screw up and want to remove it, I can't get rid of it all, and so I end up restarting from scratch to make it "clean".

So, how do I use that easy_e17.sh script to remove entrance?

And if you want to know, I'm doing this on the Eee PC. Installing it to a 4GB SDHC so I'm really aiming to make as compact an installation as possible :). I was at 541M with just the base system + xorg, but that's still a far cry from the near-to-2GB full install of Ubuntu.

Perhaps I'll try slim first. xdm is out cos it looks really plain, and I heard it's quite a lot of trouble to configure it manually. Any difference between kdm and gdm? I've barely skimmed the surface when it comes to using Linux.

Give a look too to slim (http://slim.berlios.de/) it's very light and no dependencies of big DEs. It's in Ubuntu repos.

[celyst]

Because of where morlenxus' script installs entrance, I don't think you can login with it. You have to install it manually from CVS so that it installs the correct files to /etc/init.d and /etc/pam.d.

Sounds too complicated for me to handle :). I'll stick with kdm, although it's quite a huge install with all the dependencies.

I know kdm goes with KDE and gdm goes with GNOME, but in this case would it really matter which one I choose, since I'm using Enlightenment?

[Rui Pais]

I know kdm goes with KDE and gdm goes with GNOME, but in this case would it really matter which one I choose, since I'm using Enlightenment?

GDM it's bigger (16M) but relatively independent of gnome (it depends on gtk).

KDM it's lighter (1.7M) but really depends on KDE (it will require the installation of KDE-base with more 17M)

SLIM requires only 0.7M but may require more work/knowledge to set (never tried, seems to be done with same configs as gdm)

It will depends on what other apps you prefer, if they are gtk/gnome apps or qt/kde ones.

[boowill]

Hi all
Whats the output of:
Code:
ls /opt/e17/bin/edje*

Rui the output is :
/opt/e17/bin/edje_cc
/opt/e17/bin/edje_decc
/opt/e17/bin/edje_recc

so do that means that i have to enter the full path to launch the app ?

[Rui Pais]

Hi all

Rui the output is :
/opt/e17/bin/edje_cc
/opt/e17/bin/edje_decc
/opt/e17/bin/edje_recc

so do that means that i have to enter the full path to launch the app ?

Hi, thats a things... are you sure you are not make some typo when write on a terminal?
e17-cvs package had already set that path to environment variable, or otherwise you wouldn't be able to be running e17 ...

So don't make sense that /opt/e17/bin/enlightenment was seen but /opt/e17/bin/edje_decc not, see?

Try again, please (I sometimes make the mistake of of type edge... instead of edje... ) and let me know.

Rui

[boowill]

Hi Rui
this is what I obtain:
will@G3debian:~$ edje_decc
bash: edje_decc: command not found
will@G3debian:~$ cd /opt/e17/bin/
will@G3debian:/opt/e17/bin$ ./edje_decc ./edje_decc: Error: no input file specified.
Usage:
./edje_decc input_file.edj [-main-out file.edc]

will@G3debian:/opt/e17/bin$ ./edje_decc /home/will/Desktop/Téléchargements/cthulhain_rui-0.5.edj
Output Image: cthulhain_rui-0.5/e17_brushed.png
ERROR: cannot write file cthulhain_rui-0.5/e17_brushed.png. Perhaps missing JPEG or PNG saver modules for Evas.
will@G3debian:/opt/e17/bin$

so... :confused:

[Rui Pais]

Hi Rui
this is what I obtain:
will@G3debian:~$ edje_decc
bash: edje_decc: command not found
will@G3debian:~$ cd /opt/e17/bin/
will@G3debian:/opt/e17/bin$ ./edje_decc ./edje_decc: Error: no input file specified.
Usage:
./edje_decc input_file.edj [-main-out file.edc]

will@G3debian:/opt/e17/bin$ ./edje_decc /home/will/Desktop/Téléchargements/cthulhain_rui-0.5.edj
Output Image: cthulhain_rui-0.5/e17_brushed.png
ERROR: cannot write file cthulhain_rui-0.5/e17_brushed.png. Perhaps missing JPEG or PNG saver modules for Evas.
will@G3debian:/opt/e17/bin$

so... :confused:

HI, well i'm confused too... that path issue don't make any sense too me. It can be easily solved but i wonder what the problem is...

Do you mind to post the output of:
echo $PATH
and
slocate edje_decc
(just to make sure you have only one edje_decc in your disc)

btw, that should be an executable binary, so should not be need a ./ before the name of binary...

About the error message, thats normal, because since you moved to a path where you don't have permissions it fails when it tries to write the 1st uncompressed file, a png.

Till we trace down the problem you can do instead:
cd ~
/opt/e17/bin/edje_decc Desktop/Téléchargements/cthulhain_rui-0.5.edj
to uncompress to your home directory, or:
cd /home/will/Desktop/Téléchargements/
/opt/e17/bin/edje_decc cthulhain_rui-0.5.edj
to uncompress to /home/will/Desktop/Téléchargements/

[boowill]

Rui here is the results:
will@G3debian:~$ echo $PATH
/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games

will@G3debian:~$ locate edje_decc
/opt/e17/bin/edje_decc
/root/e17_cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/.deps/edje_decc.Po
/root/e17_cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/.libs/edje_decc
/root/e17_cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/edje_decc
/root/e17_cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/edje_decc.c
/root/e17_cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/edje_decc.h
/root/e17_cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/edje_decc.o
/usr/local/cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/.deps/edje_decc.Po
/usr/local/cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/.libs/edje_decc
/usr/local/cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/edje_decc
/usr/local/cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/edje_decc.c
/usr/local/cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/edje_decc.h
/usr/local/cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/edje_decc.o
/usr/local/e17/bin/edje_decc
will@G3debian:~$


so i think i have to delete everything that belongs to /usr/local/cvs/e17, is not right ?

[kelvin spratt]

Rui
I've now got Your e17 on Parsix, Installed this time no problems, There is no applications menu, favorites is OK. any ideas? on the + side most other things work fine. Edevelop gave me a menu but lots of things did not work. I have another strange fault with Thunar its not showing CDs, DVDs, are ok. cd still play and data can still be read but not in Thunar. thats in both e17 and gnome desktops, but anything DVD is perfect. E17 is not as stable on Parsix as on Gutsy but not bad and still needs tuning. I think it shows how good your work on the script has worked as Parsix is a stange brew of 3 very different brews in one and both Lenny and Sid testing just to spice it up

[Rui Pais]

Rui here is the results:
will@G3debian:~$ echo $PATH
/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games

will@G3debian:~$ locate edje_decc
/opt/e17/bin/edje_decc
/root/e17_cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/.deps/edje_decc.Po
/root/e17_cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/.libs/edje_decc
/root/e17_cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/edje_decc
/root/e17_cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/edje_decc.c
/root/e17_cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/edje_decc.h
/root/e17_cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/edje_decc.o
/usr/local/cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/.deps/edje_decc.Po
/usr/local/cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/.libs/edje_decc
/usr/local/cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/edje_decc
/usr/local/cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/edje_decc.c
/usr/local/cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/edje_decc.h
/usr/local/cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/edje_decc.o
/usr/local/e17/bin/edje_decc
will@G3debian:~$


so i think i have to delete everything that belongs to /usr/local/cvs/e17, is not right ?

Yes, absolutely.
You still have, not only an old e17 installation as they cvs code. This last one just waste space, but the e17 installation can (and will) be a source of problems in updates.

The most problematic it's that you have the config part of install e17-cvs to launch enlightenment but you are running in fact from binaries on /usr/local/e17/bin. A mixed system. Thats it's even more unstable. It only runs now because they must be compiled from cvs on very close dates... but it's a pure luck it even runs!

What i don't get it is why e17-cvs failed to set the correct paths...

So, by now it's better correct those errors by hand.
Logout any e17 sessions and from a console (Ctrl+Alt+F1) or from a terminal on another DE do (if possible copy+paste) the following:
sudo rm -rf /usr/local/cvs/e17
sudo mv /usr/local/e17 ~/e17_BKUP_TO_DELETE
cp /etc/environment /etc/.environment.bak
sudo sed -e "s/PATH=\"/PATH=\"\/opt\/e17\/bin\:/g"< /etc/.environment.bak > /etc/environment
sudo rm /usr/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop
sudo ln -s /opt/e17/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop /usr/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop
then logout the other DE or console (Ctrl+alt+F7)
And try to login to enlightenment.
If it works it's safe to rm -rf ~/e17_BKUP_TO_DELETE, if not work post that we try another approach.

good luck.

[Rui Pais]

Rui
I've now got Your e17 on Parsix, Installed this time no problems, There is no applications menu, favorites is OK. any ideas? on the + side most other things work fine. Edevelop gave me a menu but lots of things did not work. I have another strange fault with Thunar its not showing CDs, DVDs, are ok. cd still play and data can still be read but not in Thunar. thats in both e17 and gnome desktops, but anything DVD is perfect. E17 is not as stable on Parsix as on Gutsy but not bad and still needs tuning. I think it shows how good your work on the script has worked as Parsix is a stange brew of 3 very different brews in one and both Lenny and Sid testing just to spice it up

Hi kelvin, glad this time worked. (Maybe some temporary failure on dependencies last time...)

About the menus, it's always an issue on fresh installs.
Try:
update-desktop-database -q

If that fails or that package don't exist on Parsix, see my suggestions on this post here:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4153905&highlight=menus#post4153905

hope that helps.



EDIT: I add that link to 1st post, since it's a frequent issue for people installing on minimal bases or other distros.

[kelvin spratt]

Rui
Again I must thank you for your help the second option worked a treat. Later today hopefully I'm posting screen shots on the Parsix Forum and you and your work will be Included.

[boowill]

Rui,
I have followed your command list, but locate edje_decc still belongs to //usr/local/cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/ even if the folder doed not exist anymore...
I think there is somewhere a file that need to be updated...
and after all thi stuff, the edje_decc was not working
to solve this issue I have added "\/opt\/e17\/bin\" to my path, and now it is working!
I just need to know how to deal with .edj files... the most interesting part indeed.

[Rui Pais]

Rui
Again I must thank you for your help the second option worked a treat. Later today hopefully I'm posting screen shots on the Parsix Forum and you and your work will be Included.

No problem. Glad i could help :)

Thanks for help spreading a word about e17-cvs (and OzOS). If anyone have problems with this package please point them here. I'm always try to help no matter no matter the distro they use.

Yet about your last questions, i forget the part about thunar not seeing CDs. Sorry about that i know nothing. I would suspect something even deeper then thunar, since it shows DVDs, maybe kernek it's not detecting them correctly or it's make the virtual /dev/cdrom on other path (/dev/hdXX?)...


Another thing. On some post on gOS you mention an excellent memory usage by e17. I wonder if you used any special flag? and if not, if you couldn't get even better if compiled with C flag -s?

Just a suggestion.

[Rui Pais]

Rui,
I have followed your command list, but locate edje_decc still belongs to //usr/local/cvs/e17/libs/edje/src/bin/ even if the folder doed not exist anymore...
I think there is somewhere a file that need to be updated...
and after all thi stuff, the edje_decc was not working
to solve this issue I have added "\/opt\/e17\/bin\" to my path, and now it is working!
I just need to know how to deal with .edj files... the most interesting part indeed.

Excellent!
Don't worry about locate mention a file that don't exist anymore. slocate uses a files database (updated by a cron service), not a really search on disc. You can update manually with sudo updatedb.

About the edje files, start to change graphics on the edje.
edje code i only try to read when i saw a theme that do something i wish to know... sometimes i simply mix the code from several themes to get some specific effect (my transparent effect on ibar of RustedEmerald it's an idea from an old elive theme and animation on menus of BlackEmerald it's from a theme on get-e.org).
That part it's very flexible, one can mix easily as long as preserve file names.
Good luck, goos inspiration and if possible share your themes :)

[kelvin spratt]

Rui
This is just a couple of Parsix Thumbnails as you can see its minimal I like the shelves hidden if at all possible.

[kelvin spratt]

Rui
This is just a link to the Parsix forum, I'm giving you the link so you can see what I wrote concerning E17 CVS easy I also gave the link to this Tutorial, I hope thats OK. http://www.parsix.org/html/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=450#450

[boowill]

Hi Rui
thanks for the information about updatedb.
I have tried to modify the transparency of the shelf but i failed!
I have change the visible value to 1 in the default_ibar.edc file but without success. Do you remember which file I have to modify?
Thanks in advance... :popcorn:

ps: should i rm the /root/e17_cvs folder ?

[Rui Pais]

Kelvin, great pics! You seems to tune wallpapers according to the "spirit" of each distro :) (those are less cold/blue than the last i saw from your desktop).

Thanks for the links and the announce of e17-cvs on parsix forum.
Hope some people there get curious and give it a try.

[Rui Pais]

Hi Rui
thanks for the information about updatedb.
I have tried to modify the transparency of the shelf but i failed!
I have change the visible value to 1 in the default_ibar.edc file but without success. Do you remember which file I have to modify?
Thanks in advance... :popcorn:
Hi boowill,
working on themes ;) good.

transparency are set on last numerical value of color, the 4th, on all default_ibar.edc file, ranging from 255 (opaque) to 1(or 0?, full transparent)
to get the efect of RustedEmerald, as an example:
color: 255 255 255 128;
so 128 set half transparency. The others are RGB values.

hth


ps: should i rm the /root/e17_cvs folder ?
No, unless you really need the space.
That way any update will only download changes of that code and compile only apps with changes. If removed it will compile all again on each update.
What i usually suggest it's move the e17_cvs to .e17_cvs ( and edit cvs_path="$HOME/e17_cvs" on easy_e17.sh or add the new path on .easy_e17.conf file)so it will not be visible and annoying...
Pure cosmetic. As root it's not that important cause you should be root during much time. For Ubuntu users it's more important since that folder will be in users home, appearing on file manager and so on...

[kelvin spratt]

Rui
Just another wallpaper for Parsix This time wth E17 Logo and your theme. I'm going to Peru in April hope to grab some good shots in Amosonia.

[boowill]

hello all ;)

Rui,
working on themes good.
I just want to change the transparency of the shelf of your version of RustedEmerald, may be someday I will go further in theme creation... ;)

ransparency are set on last numerical value of color
Thank you for this, I will try later (tomorrow i hope...) and send a screenshot to the forum if i succeed...

Thanks

[boowill]

Hi ALL

Rui, why can't we see in your themes (in both black and cthlman) windows opened on virtual desktop, on the left part of the self (just on the right of the e17 menu) ?
I am not sure I will be understood!:popcorn:

[smartboyathome]

It is a bug in the theme I think.

[Rui Pais]

Hi ALL

Rui, why can't we see in your themes (in both black and cthlman) windows opened on virtual desktop, on the left part of the self (just on the right of the e17 menu) ?
I am not sure I will be understood!:popcorn:

It is a bug in the theme I think.

Yes, it's the theme api change that appeared some time ago...
cthulhain have little attention by my part lately, but i though i had updated BlackEmerald too... I'll check it soon.
Meanwhile you can rebuild it with default_pager.edc from RustedEmerald... should work.


EDIT:
I checked and BlackEmerald it's already corrected... are you sure you have the latest version?
You must have CafeLinux repos, and last version it's 0.01.4

[boowill]

hello Rui,
you are right, the version of blackemerald installed via the repo (post1) is updated and works fine. but i don't have an updated version of cthulhain...

do you plan to update it?

:KS

[neonl]

Hello.

Just to warn somebody who's going to fresh-install e17 that some problems with the CVS code (like the autohidding shelves that don't come up) are NOT solved yet...

The last stable CVS code still being the '20080119'.

If you have it installed and you want to return to the last sable code (19th Jan 2008 ) just do:
cd ~/.e17_cvs
sudo mv e17 e17bak # you can 'rm' it, but this way you'll keep a backup source of you current installation
sudo cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.enlightenment.org:/var/cvs/e co -D 20080119 e17 # this downloads from Enlightenment's CVS the 19/01/2008 code, but the '20080119' part can be substituted with any other in the format 'yyyymmdd'
sudo rm -rf /opt/e17 /rmp/easy_e17 # erase the binaries of current installation
sudo easy_e17.sh --skip-cvsupdate -i # compile the legacy code

Regards,
neonl

[Rui Pais]

hello Rui,
you are right, the version of blackemerald installed via the repo (post1) is updated and works fine. but i don't have an updated version of cthulhain...

do you plan to update it?

:KS

yes. (just been lazy).
it's updated now :)

Hello.

Just to warn somebody who's going to fresh-install e17 that some problems with the CVS code (like the autohidding shelves that don't come up) are NOT solved yet...

The last stable CVS code still being the '20080119'.

If you have it installed and you want to return to the last sable code (19th Jan 2008 ) just do:
cd ~/.e17_cvs
sudo mv e17 e17bak # you can 'rm' it, but this way you'll keep a backup source of you current installation
sudo cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.enlightenment.org:/var/cvs/e co -D 20080119 e17 # this downloads from Enlightenment's CVS the 19/01/2008 code, but the '20080119' part can be substituted with any other in the format 'yyyymmdd'
sudo rm -rf /opt/e17 /rmp/easy_e17 # erase the binaries of current installation
sudo easy_e17.sh --skip-cvsupdate -i # compile the legacy code

Regards,
neonl
thanks for the report neonl.
It's sad (and kind of strange) that auto-hiding it stills broken...

[kelvin spratt]

Rui
Just an update on Parsix most things are OK, The Debian menus are not that brilliant but most of it is sort of there. I have one major problem its the Keyboard in Gnome it runs as Uk, as it should as I use a Uk keyboard, In e17 it defaults to US which is no good as the layout is wrong. I tried to use your script on the first page but nothing changed. I changed grub entry to Uk as default and in xserver but it only only works in Gnome not e17?

[Rui Pais]

Rui
Just an update on Parsix most things are OK, The Debian menus are not that brilliant but most of it is sort of there. I have one major problem its the Keyboard in Gnome it runs as Uk, as it should as I use a Uk keyboard, In e17 it defaults to US which is no good as the layout is wrong. I tried to use your script on the first page but nothing changed. I changed grub entry to Uk as default and in xserver but it only only works in Gnome not e17?

Hi again Kelvin.

Yes i agree with you plain Debian menu it's quite hard to get used...
Have you tried to copy a ubuntu applications.menu to your
/etc/xdg/menus/?
That's a much more simplified/organized menu.

About keyboard setting, contrary to Gnome, e17 don't have any tool specific to set keyboards internally (Gnome can set and use different keyboard layouts than the one used generic by the system).

You must set the one you have at /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.
For UK i think you need to have a
Option "XkbLayout" "gb"

good luck

[kelvin spratt]

Rui
The keyboard is now OK I was putting UK changed to gb as you suggested thanks for that. Next I'll try to sort out the Menu Using the Ubuntu one and see what happens.

[nikoPSK]

I do have to say, thanks for this wonderful guide. :)

[kelvin spratt]

Rui
I changed the menu and now that's really cleaned things up thanks again,

[Rui Pais]

Rui
The keyboard is now OK I was putting UK changed to gb as you suggested thanks for that. Next I'll try to sort out the Menu Using the Ubuntu one and see what happens.

Rui
I changed the menu and now that's really cleaned things up thanks again,

Glad it all worked ok :)
(th gb instead of uk, i read once somewhere and thought that it would be useful to someone ... :))

[Rui Pais]

I do have to say, thanks for this wonderful guide. :)

Hi niko,
Glad to see you here :)

I'm glad you like the how-to.
If you want more details on whats goes on beyond the table check the pdf on bottom of 1st. post for a manual description (of what deb do automatically).
:)

[nikoPSK]

Hi niko,
Glad to see you here :)

I'm glad you like the how-to.
If you want more details on whats goes on beyond the table check the pdf on bottom of 1st. post for a manual description (of what deb do automatically).
:)

will do, I had done this awhile ago, but never commented until now. Great guide once again. :)

[boowill]

yes. (just been lazy).
it's updated now
with all the work you are doing i don't think you are a lazy guy ! :popcorn:
Thanks for the update i will test it this WE.

to go back to keyboard, i don't understand too why my french keyboard is not recognized under e17 ? should i change things in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file as Kelvin?

[Rui Pais]

with all the work you are doing i don't think you are a lazy guy ! :popcorn:
Thanks for the update i will test it this WE.
:)

to go back to keyboard, i don't understand too why my french keyboard is not recognized under e17 ? should i change things in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file as Kelvin?

Yes thats right.

Or put it more clearly, Xorg.conf should contain the config for the keyboard a user really have, (not sure about French code but should be the usual fr),independent of your choice of DE.

Some DEs allow to overpass that choice (but thats not an option at e17... as far as i know). Should not be the other way, set that option on DEs to correct an incorrect xorg.conf setting...

[Rui Pais]

Hello.

Just to warn somebody who's going to fresh-install e17 that some problems with the CVS code (like the autohidding shelves that don't come up) are NOT solved yet...

The last stable CVS code still being the '20080119'.

If you have it installed and you want to return to the last sable code (19th Jan 2008 ) just do:
cd ~/.e17_cvs
sudo mv e17 e17bak # you can 'rm' it, but this way you'll keep a backup source of you current installation
sudo cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.enlightenment.org:/var/cvs/e co -D 20080119 e17 # this downloads from Enlightenment's CVS the 19/01/2008 code, but the '20080119' part can be substituted with any other in the format 'yyyymmdd'
sudo rm -rf /opt/e17 /rmp/easy_e17 # erase the binaries of current installation
sudo easy_e17.sh --skip-cvsupdate -i # compile the legacy code

Regards,
neonl

Just an update for users that use the above tip (forced by the bug on auto-hide).
For the time been, main e from that date work with updated libs...
So, after install the old version from 20080119, one can add e to --skip list (on /etc/.easy_e17.conf):
--skip=e,imlib2,edb,scrot,emotion,...
and then do a normal:
sudo easy_e17.sh -u

[sandysandy]

for a fresh install of e17 what codes should be used.

regards

[smartboyathome]

Hello.

Just to warn somebody who's going to fresh-install e17 that some problems with the CVS code (like the autohidding shelves that don't come up) are NOT solved yet...

The last stable CVS code still being the '20080119'.

If you have it installed and you want to return to the last sable code (19th Jan 2008 ) just do:
cd ~/.e17_cvs
sudo mv e17 e17bak # you can 'rm' it, but this way you'll keep a backup source of you current installation
sudo cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.enlightenment.org:/var/cvs/e co -D 20080119 e17 # this downloads from Enlightenment's CVS the 19/01/2008 code, but the '20080119' part can be substituted with any other in the format 'yyyymmdd'
sudo rm -rf /opt/e17 /rmp/easy_e17 # erase the binaries of current installation
sudo easy_e17.sh --skip-cvsupdate -i # compile the legacy code

Regards,
neonl

Just an update for users that use the above tip (forced by the bug on auto-hide).
For the time been, main e from that date work with updated libs...
So, after install the old version from 20080119, one can add e to --skip list (on /etc/.easy_e17.conf):
--skip=e,imlib2,edb,scrot,emotion,...
and then do a normal:
sudo easy_e17.sh -u

This is what you should do. :)

[boowill]

it's updated now
Rui, do you have a link to the updated version? 'cause the aptitude intall e17-themes does not install the cthulmain theme...

for the xorg.conf file, I have the right kblayout option (ie "fr"), but e17 does not recognize it.moreover, in the standard terminal (crtl-alt-F1) the path variable and the keyboard are ok, but not under e17...
any idea ?
good we to all

[Rui Pais]

for a fresh install of e17 what codes should be used.

regards

Just to clarify. There are 3 cases.
-User don't use auto-hide option of shelfs:
Install normally with the latest code.

-User uses auto-hide option of shelfs and want play safe:
use the tip on neonl post:
post #626 (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4282835&postcount=626)

-User use auto-hide option of shelfs but want to stay update:
after done the procedure above for code of 2008/01/19
add e to --skip list and update.
That will maintain main e (the core) on that date but all rest updated.
There is always some chance that things break on some api change... meantime it's working normally.

[Rui Pais]

Rui, do you have a link to the updated version? 'cause the aptitude intall e17-themes does not install the cthulmain theme...

The cthulhain it's on another package e17-themes-extra (to make the main package lighter)

for the xorg.conf file, I have the right kblayout option (ie "fr"), but e17 does not recognize it.moreover, in the standard terminal (crtl-alt-F1) the path variable and the keyboard are ok, but not under e17...
any idea ?
good we to all

No sorry :(
Thats strange... it works with other DEs?


edit:
give a look at this file:
/usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst
it contains a list of options and variants (maybe you have a oss, instead of fr...)
Here a Bug entry, don't no if related:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/89835
maybe try:
Option "XkbLayout" "fr"
Option "XbkVariant" "oss"
... just shoots in the dark...

[kelvin spratt]

Rui
Just a further update on OzParsix It settled down well and is very stable at the moment all installed software runs. Just a couple of niggles the Ubuntu menu some icons refuse to display on the application main menu, the individual application menus are OK. I've noticed a slight jerkiness in the menus since I changed them. The system sounds do not work in e17,they work Ok in Gnome. Application sounds are OK,

[smartboyathome]

I don't think that E17 does sounds in the same way GNOME does them. Is there any way to turn off the system beep in E17? It is annoying.

[kelvin spratt]

I think I phrased that wrong I meant start-up the welcome sounds sorry if confused confused anybody.

[Rui Pais]

Hi,
Rui
Just a further update on OzParsix It settled down well and is very stable at the moment all installed software runs. Just a couple of niggles the Ubuntu menu some icons refuse to display on the application main menu, the individual application menus are OK. I've noticed a slight jerkiness in the menus since I changed them.
the icons issue it's, i think, due to the absence of a normalization for gtk themes... some icons work on gnome that fails on Xfce or other implementations of Freedesktop.org standardization.

You can try change the theme icons set on:
Configuration > configuration panel > Appearance > Icon Theme.
If you really want to use that one specifically you may need to manually add links of the existent png (usually something like gnome-*) to the standard format (system-* or x-*).
You can try several themes and check which name icon have on those that have an icon for that entry... (a boring process)

(edit) btw. i noted that some applications creates icons that make Applications menu slow on appearing (kompozer it's one of them)... i fail to see why.

The system sounds do not work in e17,they work Ok in Gnome. Application sounds are OK,

I don't think that E17 does sounds in the same way GNOME does them. Is there any way to turn off the system beep in E17? It is annoying.
What do you mean by system beep?
Sorry, don't know exactly what do you mean? :confused:

I think I phrased that wrong I meant start-up the welcome sounds sorry if confused confused anybody.
By the start-up you mean the init them of e17? or login manager (GDM) sound? ...
I don't know if init themes have sound (i don't use them...)
The gdm sound must be set (turned on) from gdmsetup.

Again, not sure if those are the ones you have in mind...

[kelvin spratt]

Rui
Thats right the login in GDM. works perfect with gnome but no joy with e17 run gdmsetup as root and I get unable to read sounds this is the same sounds as in gnome. In the gnome desktop it all works. Some how the sound daemon is turned of in gdm or only started after login on gnome as that does not work in gnome only startup wav after you login?. but not in e17. All works with ubuntu e17.

[smartboyathome]

Rui, the system beep is on by default with Ubuntu, it is annoying as heck. Anyway, I assume you have not experienced it and have a laptop that doesn't support it, but the desktop E now runs on does.

[Rui Pais]

Rui
Thats right the login in GDM. works perfect with gnome but no joy with e17 run gdmsetup as root and I get unable to read sounds this is the same sounds as in gnome. In the gnome desktop it all works. Some how the sound daemon is turned of in gdm or only started after login on gnome as that does not work in gnome only startup wav after you login?. but not in e17. All works with ubuntu e17.

Sorry still don't understand exactly whats wrong... gdm sounds it's independent of DE. it should work as long as your alsa setting are unmuted. Try to check it with alsamixer....
The login sound, after gdm login, belongs to gnome. e17 don't have login sounds, unless some init theme implement them (i don't know much about init themes since they are too slow and so i don't use them)

don't know if thats you are talk about...

[Rui Pais]

Rui, the system beep is on by default with Ubuntu, it is annoying as heck. Anyway, I assume you have not experienced it and have a laptop that doesn't support it, but the desktop E now runs on does.

You mean the beep when you power in?
I have one machine that beeps high like hell (i remember installing windows late at night on that and the endless reboots make my family wake up with the beeps...)
Have you tried to block pcspkr module? (add 'blacklist pcspkr' to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist)

[neonl]

Hi fellows :)

Is there a way of creating .edj files with JPEG pictures (wallpapers) with the "use original file" option which isn't adding them one by one in the Wallpaper menu - a script or something...

It would help a lot if there was one... I don't feel like adding 98 new pics manually :roll:

[Rui Pais]

Hi fellows :)

Is there a way of creating .edj files with JPEG pictures (wallpapers) with the "use original file" option which isn't adding them one by one in the Wallpaper menu - a script or something...

It would help a lot if there was one... I don't feel like adding 98 new pics manually :roll:

Oz or other?

-with Oz:
just select images on thunar and with right button of the mouse choose: 'Do Wallpaper'

-with others distros, i use e17setroot. It's on deprecated package e_utils.
Check 1st post, section Tips and Notes (3rd. tip).

just make a script (executable) with:
#!/bin/bash
e17setroot -s -n "$1"
and add the script to possible actions for jpeg, than you can select several and run the script on it
:)

[neonl]

Oz or other?

-with Oz:
just select images on thunar and with right button of the mouse choose: 'Do Wallpaper'

-with others distros, i use e17setroot. It's on deprecated package e_utils.
Check 1st post, section Tips and Notes (3rd. tip).

just make a script (executable) with:
#!/bin/bash
e17setroot -s -n "$1"
and add the script to possible actions for jpeg, than you can select several and run the script on it
:)

I'm not using Oz (yet) though sometimes I give it a try to check up on the development. It's plain Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon with the e17-cvs package you have in Oz's repos. So the e17setroot method like you say creates the .edj files with "use original file" option?

Btw, how do I edit the easy_e17.sh script (I mean what's the path to the file)?

Thanks for the help, hug,
RM

[Rui Pais]

I'm not using Oz (yet) though sometimes I give it a try to check up on the development. It's plain Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon with the e17-cvs package you have in Oz's repos. So the e17setroot method like you say creates the .edj files with "use original file" option?
yes, exactly :)
(edit) creates them and saves the edj automatically at ~/.e/e/backgounds.
just type e17setroot for more options (tile, center, etc...)

Btw, how do I edit the easy_e17.sh script (I mean what's the path to the file)?

it's in /usr/bin/easy_e17.sh

Thanks for the help, hug,
RM
No problem :)
Um abraço.

[smartboyathome]

Rui, would you happen to know how one would install entrance correctly? It installs to the /opt directory rather than to /etc and /usr. Also, how would I add proto apps to the script. I would like entrance_edit_gui, but the only way to get it is through the proto part of CVS.

[Rui Pais]

Rui, would you happen to know how one would install entrance correctly? It installs to the /opt directory rather than to /etc and /usr. Also, how would I add proto apps to the script. I would like entrance_edit_gui, but the only way to get it is through the proto part of CVS.

Hi,
sorry my experiments with entrance all take to something not much reliable...
Have you tried to make symlinks at /usr/ and /etc/ pointing the /opt ones?...

To add proto to script you need to edit your /usr/bin/easy_e17.sh (add entrance and entrance_edit_gui to line 26: apps=" e entrance ...")
and remove those from --skip line at /etc/.easy_e17.conf

You can then do:
sudo easy_e17.sh --only=entrance,entrance_edit_gui

About further configuration, check those links to see if some helps:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=233688
http://gopalarathnam.com/weblog/2006/11/20/getting-entrance-e17-display-manager-to-work-on-ubuntu.html
good luck

[kelvin spratt]

smartboyathome
I use the Entrance Deb from Dunnewind its the only one that seems to work most of the time just install, It asks you if you want to use it as default when you set it up I don't have sound as I have not worked it out yet, Just reboot If it does not work just try entrance, or entranced etc if no joy, apt-get install gdm and try again. works for me with mint/Ubuntu. can't 100% it will work.

[Rui Pais]

smartboyathome
I use the Entrance Deb from Dunnewind its the only one that seems to work most of the time just install, It asks you if you want to use it as default when you set it up I don't have sound as I have not worked it out yet, Just reboot If it does not work just try entrance, or entranced etc if no joy, apt-get install gdm and try again. works for me with mint/Ubuntu. can't 100% it will work.

Well i didn't try that but it may work fine (since entrance it's quite independent, like any login manager of the DE from it came...)

But i just want to call attention to one point. try that by download the entrance package from repo:
http://e17.dunnewind.net/ubuntu/pool/e17/e/entrance/

NOT BY ADDING THE REPO TO sources.list!!!

Remember those repos are incompatible with e17-cvs, ok?

Install deb package with dpkg -i or, better, with gdebi.

Tell us how it goes.

[smartboyathome]

Thanks, I will try it out as soon as I get time to work with E17 again (been busy with work lately).

[kelvin spratt]

I used Mint on flashdrive added the repro used gdebi then into /var/cache/apt/archives, copy paste into another flash drive. back to OZ. d/click install from flash drive. Dunnewinds is the only one that seems to work for me, long way round but now I have a Deb entrance when I need it.

[neonl]

Hey guys,

just a little bump (:p) if you use E17 and you think your desktop is very good looking please post your Screenshots here (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=553058).

Thanks :)

[Rui Pais]

Hi all,
just a quick update on auto-hide problems ( post 19/01/2008 )

Apparently the problem only happen to shelf set to auto-hide with the same direction of virtual desktops...

So if you have several virtual desktop vertical aligned but auto-hide shelves are all horizontal, or vice-versa, it will work normally (as expected).

Maybe this helps till problem will be solved.
Rui


EDIT:
btw, here it's the buzilla entry for this bug:
http://bugzilla.enlightenment.org/show_bug.cgi?id=394

[earlycj5]

Hm. Still the same problem, even after a succesful recompilation. It didn't complain about modules lacking(and asking me to go on or unload them), but it still says that Xrandr is missing(it isn't), and won't let me use a comfortable resolution(it treats my monitor as widescreen whereas it's not). The login manager has the same resolution problem by the way.

I know I'm late to the party but I was having the same issue with xrandr.

I need it to hook my laptop up to external projectors and it wouldn't work.

The whole message says something about xrandr being missing OR it wasn't present when e17 was compiled. Remember with OzOS the e17 is compiled from the e17 cvs on your computer. It's not a precompiled package like Gnome is.

Unless you have the libxrander-dev package installed it will not work. I went through this just now. xrander was there, worked in Gnome but not e17. Installed the development package for xrander, ran "easy_e17.sh -i" and once it was done, restarted e17. Voila, I can adjust my resolution using the e17 tools.

Hope this helps someone else in the future.

[Rui Pais]

I know I'm late to the party but I was having the same issue with xrandr.

I need it to hook my laptop up to external projectors and it wouldn't work.

The whole message says something about xrandr being missing OR it wasn't present when e17 was compiled. Remember with OzOS the e17 is compiled from the e17 cvs on your computer. It's not a precompiled package like Gnome is.

Unless you have the libxrander-dev package installed it will not work. I went through this just now. xrander was there, worked in Gnome but not e17. Installed the development package for xrander, ran "easy_e17.sh -i" and once it was done, restarted e17. Voila, I can adjust my resolution using the e17 tools.

Hope this helps someone else in the future.
Hi earlycj5, thanks for the input.

What users with that issue reported till now it's that message appears when they have incorrect values on a broken xorg.conf, and problem goes away when conf it's corrected.
I don't have any issue and i have my e17 compiled only with xrandr and the generic libxrandr2 (no libxrandr-dev).

If in your case that solve the problem, maybe it's a different issue...

my above comment it's wrong! please read the following post. Thanks earlycj5 for call my attention to this one!

[Rui Pais]

I don't have any issue and i have my e17 compiled only with xrandr and the generic libxrandr2 (no libxrandr-dev).


Ooops... Not at all!!

I've checked again with more attention and yes you are right, ecore did NEED TO BE BUILD with libxrandr-dev!!

Sorry by let that one out of dependencies.
A new corrected package its available now.

Again, thanks a lot earlycj5!


EDIT:
Of course, users with an e17 already installed should do, after update:
sudo easy_e17.sh --only=ecore

[luisjorge]

Hi! I was trying to install e17 using this guide, but I get this error:

luisjorge@ubuntu-inspiron:~$ sudo apt-get install e17-cvs
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
e17-cvs: Depends: build-essential but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libtool but it is not going to be installed
Depends: giblib-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libimlib2-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libpopt-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libcurl3-dev or
libcurl4-openssl-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libbz2-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libid3tag0-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libpng12-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libtiff4-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libungif4-dev but it is not going to be installed or
libgif-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libjpeg62-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libssl-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libfontconfig1-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libfreetype6-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libxml2-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libsqlite3-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libasound2-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libxslt1-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libpam0g-dev but it is not going to be installed
E: Broken packages


Any ideas on what could be happening?

Thanks in advance!

Luis Jorge.

[smartboyathome]

I think it is a version mismatch. I don't know if this works on Feisty. Since it was made for Gutsy, it probably doesn't install the right stuff.

[luisjorge]

Hi! Thanks for the quick reply! I'm sorry, I didn't mention I'm actually trying this on Gutsy, so I really don't know what could be wrong.

Thanks!

[Rui Pais]

Hi luisjorge.
Sorry to hear about your ptoblems. :(
Your issue it's really weird... have you installed software using Automatix or some other "easy" installers?

Have you tried to install some of those dependencies directly, to check if the problem it's your environment or some wild issue on e17-cvs?
Try:
sudo apt-get install build-essential
and let's see if you got the same error output.

[smartboyathome]

Rui, I am trying to install ecomorph, it won't compile, even after I run PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$PKG_CONFIG_PATH:/opt/e17/lib/pkgconfig and then compile. Help? Thanks. :)

[Rui Pais]

Rui, I am trying to install ecomorph, it won't compile, even after I run PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$PKG_CONFIG_PATH:/opt/e17/lib/pkgconfig and then compile. Help? Thanks. :)

Hi smartboyathome.
Hi don't think you need to tune PKG_CONFIG_PATH... as long as
echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH outputs
/opt/e17/lib/pkgconfig
should work.

To keep compatibility with e installed on /opt/e17, you must run autogen (or ./configure) with:
./autogen.sh --prefix=/opt/e17

hth

[qpsk1half]

Outstanding. I have learned so much from this little experiment and i love the e17 wm. I just wanted to report that I used this thread verbatim on a fresh install of ubuntu minimal and it worked flawlessly. I still have some tweaks that I want to do, but that is the fun part, right? Anyway, I am running an Asus eeePC 1gb ram. Thanks again.\\:D/

[earlycj5]

Ooops... Not at all!!

I've checked again with more attention and yes you are right, ecore did NEED TO BE BUILD with libxrandr-dev!!

Sorry by let that one out of dependencies.
A new corrected package its available now.

Again, thanks a lot earlycj5!


EDIT:
Of course, users with an e17 already installed should do, after update:
sudo easy_e17.sh --only=ecore

Glad to be of some help. :)

[earlycj5]

Outstanding. I have learned so much from this little experiment and i love the e17 wm. I just wanted to report that I used this thread verbatim on a fresh install of ubuntu minimal and it worked flawlessly. I still have some tweaks that I want to do, but that is the fun part, right? Anyway, I am running an Asus eeePC 1gb ram. Thanks again.\\:D/

Now you're talking. I've been thinking about getting one of those and putting OzOS on it.

Though I'm glad I waited, going to wait for the second generation I think.

[smartboyathome]

Hi smartboyathome.
Hi don't think you need to tune PKG_CONFIG_PATH... as long as
echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH outputs
/opt/e17/lib/pkgconfig
should work.

To keep compatibility with e installed on /opt/e17, you must run autogen (or ./configure) with:
./autogen.sh --prefix=/opt/e17

hth

It doesn't work still with a fully updated e17. I am still running that prefix because my prefix comes up with nothing. It uses autogen to compile. Here is the output:
checking for E... configure: error: Package requirements (
evas
ecore
ecore-evas
ecore-file
ecore-ipc
ecore-con
ecore-job
ecore-imf
ecore-imf-evas
edje
eet
embryo
efreet
efreet-mime
) were not met:

No package 'evas' found
No package 'ecore' found
No package 'ecore-evas' found
No package 'ecore-file' found
No package 'ecore-ipc' found
No package 'ecore-con' found
No package 'ecore-job' found
No package 'ecore-imf' found
No package 'ecore-imf-evas' found
No package 'edje' found
No package 'eet' found
No package 'embryo' found
No package 'efreet' found
No package 'efreet-mime' found

Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively, you may set the environment variables E_CFLAGS
and E_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.

Thanks for the help. :)

[Rui Pais]

Outstanding. I have learned so much from this little experiment and i love the e17 wm. I just wanted to report that I used this thread verbatim on a fresh install of ubuntu minimal and it worked flawlessly. I still have some tweaks that I want to do, but that is the fun part, right? Anyway, I am running an Asus eeePC 1gb ram. Thanks again.\\:D/

You're welcome! I'm glad you find this how-to useful :)


Glad to be of some help. :)
:)
Thats the way things work. Interaction, cooperation!

Thank you all!

[Rui Pais]

It doesn't work still with a fully updated e17. I am still running that prefix because my prefix comes up with nothing. It uses autogen to compile. Here is the output:
checking for E... configure: error: Package requirements (
evas
ecore
ecore-evas
ecore-file
ecore-ipc
ecore-con
ecore-job
ecore-imf
ecore-imf-evas
edje
eet
embryo
efreet
efreet-mime
) were not met:

No package 'evas' found
No package 'ecore' found
No package 'ecore-evas' found
No package 'ecore-file' found
No package 'ecore-ipc' found
No package 'ecore-con' found
No package 'ecore-job' found
No package 'ecore-imf' found
No package 'ecore-imf-evas' found
No package 'edje' found
No package 'eet' found
No package 'embryo' found
No package 'efreet' found
No package 'efreet-mime' found

Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively, you may set the environment variables E_CFLAGS
and E_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.

Thanks for the help. :)

Ok, i checked here, and i realized i added PKG_CONFIG_PATH once (for testing exalt) to environment. Thats should be whats failing...

Add:
export PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/opt/e17/lib/pkgconfig:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH"
to your .bashrc file, close all open terminals, and try again
./autogen.sh --prefix=/opt/e17
good luck, smartboyathome.



Edit:
note that PKG_CONFIG path should be: /opt/e17/lib/pkgconfig and that directory should contain (on a sane e17 install) all .pc files referred on your error output as missing.

[obdata]

Hello,

I am trying to install E17 on Ubuntu 6.06.2 (server install). This is the error message I get.

[karlo]

I know that I have followed the instructions correctly but, I receive the following message:

Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
e17-cvs: Depends: build-essential but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libtool but it is not going to be installed
Depends: giblib-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libimlib2-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libpopt-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libcurl3-dev or
libcurl4-openssl-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libbz2-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libid3tag0-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libpng12-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libtiff4-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libungif4-dev but it is not going to be installed or
libgif-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libjpeg62-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libssl-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libfontconfig1-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libfreetype6-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libxml2-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libsqlite3-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libasound2-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libxslt1-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libpam0g-dev but it is not going to be installed
E: Broken packages

What to do? The original thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4458781

[Rui Pais]

Hello,

I am trying to install E17 on Ubuntu 6.06.2 (server install). This is the error message I get.

Hi, That could be either one of 2 things. ecore was broken at time you get the code, or, worst, on 6.06.2 theres some missing dependency.
Try to run:
sudo easy_e17.sh -i
again and see if it goes over the error.
Btw, did it give any error messages when installed dependencies?

[Rui Pais]

I know that I have followed the instructions correctly but, I receive the following message:

Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
e17-cvs: Depends: build-essential but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libtool but it is not going to be installed
Depends: giblib-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libimlib2-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libpopt-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libcurl3-dev or
libcurl4-openssl-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libbz2-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libid3tag0-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libpng12-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libtiff4-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libungif4-dev but it is not going to be installed or
libgif-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libjpeg62-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libssl-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libfontconfig1-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libfreetype6-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libxml2-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libsqlite3-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libasound2-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libxslt1-dev but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libpam0g-dev but it is not going to be installed
E: Broken packages

What to do? The original thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4458781

Hi, sorry karlo but that problem it's not e17-cvs related.
According to your other thread you mixed Gutsy with alpha hardy, a dangerous thing... and you end up with one of the worst things that can happen, incorrect/conflicting libc6 package.
Thats very bad! :(

I will post some basic tips on your other thread (since they are not very relevant here)

[obdata]

Hi, That could be either one of 2 things. ecore was broken at time you get the code, or, worst, on 6.06.2 theres some missing dependency.
Try to run:
sudo easy_e17.sh -i
again and see if it goes over the error.
Btw, did it give any error messages when installed dependencies?

I ran sudo easy_e17.sh -i and it gave the same error. It says its starting Phase 2, then that its installing libraries (EFL). It sits at "- ecore.............." for quite a while, then stops and gives the error message.

When I ran sudo apt-get install e17-cvs the first time it gave a HUGE list of dependencies that it would install, but I thought that was probably because I installed this as a server system from the Minimal CD. As far as I know there were no errors when installing dependencies.

Thanks for your help. If I can't get E17 to work on this system I'll just try it on Linux Mint, that should work, shouldn't it?

[Rui Pais]

I ran sudo easy_e17.sh -i and it gave the same error. It says its starting Phase 2, then that its installing libraries (EFL). It sits at "- ecore.............." for quite a while, then stops and gives the error message.

When I ran sudo apt-get install e17-cvs the first time it gave a HUGE list of dependencies that it would install, but I thought that was probably because I installed this as a server system from the Minimal CD. As far as I know there were no errors when installing dependencies.

Thanks for your help. If I can't get E17 to work on this system I'll just try it on Linux Mint, that should work, shouldn't it?

No problem. Yes you can use this with any ubuntu variation (that don't have any other e17 installed) and probabily most of debian variations.

About you error. Can you post the output of:
sudo tail -n20 /tmp/easy_e17/install_logs/ecore.log
please?

[obdata]

Results of sudo tail -n20 /tmp/easy_e17/install_logs/ecore.log


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
EASY_E17 CMD: ./autogen.sh --prefix=/opt/e17
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Running aclocal...
/usr/share/aclocal/glib.m4:8: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GLIB
run info '(automake)Extending aclocal'
or see http://sources.redhat.com/automake/automake.html#Extending-aclocal
Running autoheader...
Running autoconf...
configure.in:60: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_HEADERS_ONCE
If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
See the Autoconf documentation.

[Rui Pais]

Results of sudo tail -n20 /tmp/easy_e17/install_logs/ecore.log


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
EASY_E17 CMD: ./autogen.sh --prefix=/opt/e17
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Running aclocal...
/usr/share/aclocal/glib.m4:8: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GLIB
run info '(automake)Extending aclocal'
or see http://sources.redhat.com/automake/automake.html#Extending-aclocal
Running autoheader...
Running autoconf...
configure.in:60: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_HEADERS_ONCE
If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
See the Autoconf documentation.

uhmm... well not much informative. It aborts at very beginning of ecore. But it compiled eet and evas ok...

I still not sure if thats a problem due to Ubuntu version (6.06) or something deeper.
Maybe trying to get the old list of dependencies may help:
sudo apt-get install libtool libltdl3-dev automake1.9 autotools-dev libpopt-dev libcurl3-dev libx11-dev x11proto-xext-dev libbz2-dev libid3tag0-dev libpng12-dev libtiff4-dev libungif4-dev libjpeg62-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev bison flex xlibs-dev gettext libimlib2-dev libxml2-dev libxcursor-dev libgtk1.2-dev autoconf pkg-config libpng3-dev libxine-dev libxkbfile-dev libsqlite3-dev giblib-dev libxmu-dev libxdamage-dev libxcomposite-dev libtag1-dev libtagc0-dev giblib-dev libasound2-dev

and after that try:
sudo rm -rf /tmp/easy_e17
sudo easy_e17.sh -i

If that stills fail, i'll have to look deeper for other possible causes (tomorrow).

Good luck

[smartboyathome]

Rui, your reply worked, but now when I try to get the second thing compiled autoconf breaks, and says the same thing as obdata. I don't think it is a dapper drake problem.

[obdata]

I installed the dependencies, when running the apt-get install with the whole list of dependencies it said "could not find package x11proto-xext-dev", so I took that out and it worked. Then I ran sudo apt-get install x11proto-xext-dev and it said the latest version is already installed. Then ran the rm -rf, then sudo easy_e17.sh -i but got the same error as before.

[Rui Pais]

Rui, your reply worked, but now when I try to get the second thing compiled autoconf breaks, and says the same thing as obdata. I don't think it is a dapper drake problem.

Hi smartboyathome.
By the second thing you mean compiz or ecompconfig-python?

That kind of error it's usually from automake/autoconf conflict versions (if my memory from my gentoo days serves me well, thats what it usually happen when one wants to compile with incorrect compile tools versions...)
That means that the versions of one of those tools it's incorrect for the makefile on the code :( (again, i'm not 100% sure of that)

What i suspect it's that e17 code may have something conflicting with dapper versions of autoconf/automake (this last it's the 1.9, but who knows...)

In the case of ecomorph (http://code.google.com/p/itask-module/wiki/Stuff) i compiled e, compiz and libecompconfig without problems but i got errors on ecompconfig-python...

[Rui Pais]

I installed the dependencies, when running the apt-get install with the whole list of dependencies it said "could not find package x11proto-xext-dev", so I took that out and it worked. Then I ran sudo apt-get install x11proto-xext-dev and it said the latest version is already installed. Then ran the rm -rf, then sudo easy_e17.sh -i but got the same error as before.

Uhmm bad luck...(please, read my previous post to smartboyathome too)
I will try to see if i have a Dapper version on one of my boxs and check if i can reproduce the problem.

Meanwhile you can try a last "from zero" trial:
sudo rm -rf /opt/e17 ~/.e17_cvs /tmp/easy_e17
sudo easy_e17.sh -i
(sometimes bad cvs code/bad previous libs get in the away and prevent sane installs...)

[obdata]

Uhmm bad luck...(please, read my previous post to smartboyathome too)
I will try to see if i have a Dapper version on one of my boxs and check if i can reproduce the problem.

Meanwhile you can try a last "from zero" trial:
sudo rm -rf /opt/e17 ~/.e17_cvs /tmp/easy_e17
sudo easy_e17.sh -i
(sometimes bad cvs code/bad previous libs get in the away and prevent sane installs...)

Same result :(

[luisjorge]

Hi luisjorge.
Sorry to hear about your ptoblems. :(
Your issue it's really weird... have you installed software using Automatix or some other "easy" installers?

Have you tried to install some of those dependencies directly, to check if the problem it's your environment or some wild issue on e17-cvs?
Try:
sudo apt-get install build-essential
and let's see if you got the same error output.

Hi! Sorry for the delay. I tried that, and I get a similar error:

luisjorge@ubuntu-inspiron:~$ sudo apt-get install build-essential
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or
libc-dev
Depends: g++ (>= 4:4.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
E: Broken packages

I have used Automatix to install a few things in the past. Is there a way to fix this?

Thanks in advance!

Luis Jorge.

[Rui Pais]

Same result :(

Too bad :(
I'm sorry, but my old dapper backup don't run anymore (don't know if i forget to backup some /boot/ partition or if it fails cause it was installed before the motherboard upgrade i made ...)

Anyway, if it fails even from a complete restart, it seems to indicate that you can't install recent cvs code with dapper dependencies.
But not sure if thats the problem.

Can't you use a more recent version or distro?

[Rui Pais]

Hi! Sorry for the delay. I tried that, and I get a similar error:

luisjorge@ubuntu-inspiron:~$ sudo apt-get install build-essential
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or
libc-dev
Depends: g++ (>= 4:4.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
E: Broken packages

I have used Automatix to install a few things in the past. Is there a way to fix this?

Thanks in advance!

Luis Jorge.

Hi Luis Jorge.
Thats bad. Sometimes Automatix broke things beyond repair and playing with libc it's not healthy at all :(

You can try to remove any automatic repos from your sources list, do an update and try to force any libc* package installed to go back to the correct Ubuntu version (synaptic it's usually the best to do this, since it allows to quick choose among several available versions of a package).

Try to search around for automatix+libc+broken to see if others have useful tips too deal with this.

Good Luck,
Rui

[kelvin spratt]

Rui and Others
I thought i'd try and give you boys a hand With Dapper
- e_dbus ..................... ERROR!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------- Last loglines ------------------------------checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no
checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build static libraries... yes
configure: creating libtool
checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config
checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes
checking for EDBUS... configure: error: Package requirements (
dbus-1 >= 0.62
ecore >= 0.9.9
) were not met:

Requested 'dbus-1 >= 0.62' but version of dbus is 0.60

Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively, you may set the environment variables EDBUS_CFLAGS
and EDBUS_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-> Get more informations by checking the log file '/tmp/easy_e17/install_logs/e_dbus.log'!


ubuntu@ubuntu:~$

This was with a virgin copy of DAPPER running in ram
as you can see this is as far as I got. And not wishing to get to involved I did not persue it any further I hope this clears some of the confussion.

[luisjorge]

Hi! Is there anything I could do in gutsy? I still get the "broken dependecies" error... :(

Thanks!

[kelvin spratt]

I have never had a problem in Gutsy my last install was 7 days ago, One thing is if you have tried any other version of E17, or used things like automatix you can run into problems with dependencies, I personally have installed e17 cvs, on all current versions of Ubuntu and Linux mint I Personally prefer Linux Mint xfce as its light on gnome and uses less ram. But its best to go the full hog and install using the minimal Cd, and add the ozz desktop package, that makes it a lot faster light and lean.

[Rui Pais]

Rui and Others
I thought i'd try and give you boys a hand With Dapper
- e_dbus ..................... ERROR!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------- Last loglines ------------------------------checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no
checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build static libraries... yes
configure: creating libtool
checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config
checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes
checking for EDBUS... configure: error: Package requirements (
dbus-1 >= 0.62
ecore >= 0.9.9
) were not met:

Requested 'dbus-1 >= 0.62' but version of dbus is 0.60

Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively, you may set the environment variables EDBUS_CFLAGS
and EDBUS_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-> Get more informations by checking the log file '/tmp/easy_e17/install_logs/e_dbus.log'!


ubuntu@ubuntu:~$

This was with a virgin copy of DAPPER running in ram
as you can see this is as far as I got. And not wishing to get to involved I did not persue it any further I hope this clears some of the confussion.

Thanks a lot kelvin, that explains it.
ecore moved dbus dependencies to a more updated version than the one used by dapper.

The only way i see to compile e17 on dapper would be either upgrade dapper (or even install recent versions of dbus over dapper ones, but that may borke things bad, dbus it's a system package, not just a plain app) or get an enlightenment code of dapper's days (the beginning of edgy date should work) and use that version for dapper specifically.

You can even try to search cvs logs to check for the date where ecore was updated to dbus 0.62.

[Rui Pais]

Hi! Is there anything I could do in gutsy? I still get the "broken dependecies" error... :(

Thanks!

luisjorge, you must get your system to a sane state.
Until then, neither this or any other package will install.
(Thats why there are a lot of posts alerting to avoid Automatix. It's a bad one)

I don't how to fix that (and it's OT here). Try a search on forum and look for similar problems on Automatix with the same error output as yours.
Thats the only thing i can suggest for help
(but let me tell you too that i read a lot of users reinstall because of such problem :()

Good Luck.

[risker]

Hi,

i have a little mh maybe a bigger problem. I'm sitting behind a proxyserver and due to this fact, i cant use e17-cvs.

cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to anoncvs.enlightenment.org(140.211.167.167):2401 failed: No route to host
cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to anoncvs.enlightenment.org(140.211.167.167):2401 failed: No route to host
cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to anoncvs.enlightenment.org(140.211.167.167):2401 failed: No route to host
cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to anoncvs.enlightenment.org(140.211.167.167):2401 failed: No route to host
cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to anoncvs.enlightenment.org(140.211.167.167):2401 failed: No route to host
cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to anoncvs.enlightenment.org(140.211.167.167):2401 failed: No route to host
cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to anoncvs.enlightenment.org(140.211.167.167):2401 failed: No route to host


How can i use your script behind a proxy?


Greetings
Oliver

[Rui Pais]

Hi,

i have a little mh maybe a bigger problem. I'm sitting behind a proxyserver and due to this fact, i cant use e17-cvs.

cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to anoncvs.enlightenment.org(140.211.167.167):2401 failed: No route to host
cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to anoncvs.enlightenment.org(140.211.167.167):2401 failed: No route to host
cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to anoncvs.enlightenment.org(140.211.167.167):2401 failed: No route to host
cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to anoncvs.enlightenment.org(140.211.167.167):2401 failed: No route to host
cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to anoncvs.enlightenment.org(140.211.167.167):2401 failed: No route to host
cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to anoncvs.enlightenment.org(140.211.167.167):2401 failed: No route to host
cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to anoncvs.enlightenment.org(140.211.167.167):2401 failed: No route to host


How can i use your script behind a proxy?


Greetings
Oliver

Sorry, i don't know much about proxys....
Check if some of those tips are helpful:
http://ximbiot.com/cvs/manual/cvs-1.12.13/cvs_2.html#SEC28

If you have a 64 bits you can try a pre-compiled version of e17-cvs here:
http://cafelinux.org/forum/index.php/topic,1012.msg3037.html#msg3037

Can you download things normally (not through cvs)?

Maybe someone with more experience with proxies can give better suggestions (you can try to ask at networks sub-forum how to cvs through a proxy...)

[risker]

I've done it at a nonproxy internet gateway ;)

But now i've got a another problem..i installed enlightenment with the help of the standard ubuntu repos, but this was the (i think) the old e16...and now my e17-cvs isnt listed at the windowmanager (gdm) -.-

the badpacket, i think, is the enlightenment-data...if i install this one, enlightenment shows up at the windowmanager, but what a wonder, it doenst start.

That could be an endless story hehe^^

€dit: I've tried to copy the enlightenment.desktop to /usr/share/xsessions and now it works...i've just read the User Guide ;)

[Rui Pais]

I've done it at a nonproxy internet gateway ;)

But now i've got a another problem..i installed enlightenment with the help of the standard ubuntu repos, but this was the (i think) the old e16...and now my e17-cvs isnt listed at the windowmanager (gdm) -.-

the badpacket, i think, is the enlightenment-data...if i install this one, enlightenment shows up at the windowmanager, but what a wonder, it doenst start.

That could be an endless story hehe^^

€dit: I've tried to copy the enlightenment.desktop to /usr/share/xsessions and now it works...i've just read the User Guide ;)

Great! i was just to suggest something like that as a workaround.
It was, probably, a file/name conflicting with enlightenment-data package of e16.

Another way (maybe better) its' replace the copy of your /usr/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop by a symlink to the original file, so it would always reflect any possible changes made to that file on updates.

[risker]

Good idea...

could you tell me why my mainmenu application folder is empty? My last Windowmanager was XFCE...is it possible, that i import my old menu.xml (or whatever)?

[Rui Pais]

Good idea...

could you tell me why my mainmenu application folder is empty? My last Windowmanager was XFCE...is it possible, that i import my old menu.xml (or whatever)?

Thats a very common issue, indeed...
Yes, you can import (either copy or symlink) your /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu to ~/.config/menus/applications.menu
That usually do the trick.

Rui

[risker]

Thats a very common issue, indeed...
Yes, you can import (either copy or symlink) your /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu to ~/.config/menus/applications.menu
That usually do the trick.

Rui

I'm a (in germany so called) problemkid ;) i dont have a application.menu .. only kde-app.menu.

I thought that Xfce4 is using xml as menulanguage...there's a panel.xml and a /etc/xdg/xubuntu/applications/defaults.list

THe panel.xml inherits the menulayout and the other defaults.list the application sorted by the type audio/amarok as a example..


Maybe i just write the menu on my own...

Greetings
olli

[Rui Pais]

I'm a (in germany so called) problemkid ;) i dont have a application.menu .. only kde-app.menu.

I thought that Xfce4 is using xml as menulanguage...there's a panel.xml and a /etc/xdg/xubuntu/applications/defaults.list

THe panel.xml inherits the menulayout and the other defaults.list the application sorted by the type audio/amarok as a example..


Maybe i just write the menu on my own...

Greetings
olli

No problem, here the default one from ubuntu:
62511
(just rename it, removing the .txt suffix)

hth

[risker]

man, you're my hero :) thanks thanks :D

€dit: It's now working well, i think we did it ;)

Greetings
olli

[Rui Pais]

man, you're my hero :) thanks thanks :D

€dit: It's now working well, i think we did it ;)

Greetings
olli

Great!!
Glad It's all working good :)

Rui

[galorin]

I did a stock kubuntu install, ran updates, then installed e17 according to directions as in the first post. Now, there is no entry for e17 in the session types menu. How do I get this entry?

[Rui Pais]

I did a stock kubuntu install, ran updates, then installed e17 according to directions as in the first post. Now, there is no entry for e17 in the session types menu. How do I get this entry?

Hi galorin.
I just finish to upload a version with kdm support.
Do you mind to do an:
apt-get update
and after that do a
sudo aptitude reinstall e17-cvs
and check if its ok now (i don't have kdm so i can't test it myself...)

Rui

[Rui Pais]

Hi all.
a new version, 0.0-4.9, it's available.

It includes (check notes above):
* New updated version of morlenxus script (1.1.6)
* New modules listed.
* KDM support.
* Cleaner e17 PATH inclusion.
* Minor bug with version output solved.

NOTES:
New script version includes a different modules list with some new inclusions, among them efm stuff. morlenxus execwatch, notification and echo, the replace for broken mixer.

Keep in line with e17-cvs approach, any new modules should be considered with most care. They are recent, had few tests and few updates.
e17-cvs "blacklist" by default all of them except echo, the only one it works here (and with that, e17 have again a module for sound volume of it's own :)).
execwatch it's a promising one but i can't make it work, so i added to --skip list too.

In order to make that sane approach, users must have the new default --skip list and make any changes after.
So, before update, anyone who uses a /etc/easy_e17-custom.conf to tune they skip list must move it away or made any changes to it before update.
Here the default new list:
--skip=imlib2,edb,scrot,emotion,entrance,eclair,evfs ,evolve,edje_editor,elicit,elitaire,emphasis,empow er,engycad,entrance_edit_gui,entropy,ephoto,estick ies,expedite,extrackt,engage,enthrall,rage,emu,fla me,mixer,moon,news,penguins,rain,snow,language,pho to,efm_path,efm_nav,mpdule,notification,execwatch
It's very recommended that any changes to it keep the news, efm_path,efm_nav,mpdule,notification,execwatch, if stability it's on mind.

About KDM support, lets see how galorin or other kdm users report it.

EDIT: Users that have issues with auto-hide shelves, must download the attach archive (63095), uncompress it to ~/.e17_cvs/e17/apps/e/src/bin/ and recompile e only=
sudo easy_e17.sh --only=e

Thanks all,
Rui

[kvk]

Hi Rui~

I was running the E17 install from this thread with the new skip list and got this error on Dapper:

- eet ........................ previously installed
- evas ....................... ok
- ecore ...................... ok
- efreet ..................... ok
- epeg ....................... ok
- embryo ..................... ok
- edje ....................... ok
- epsilon .................... ok
- esmart ..................... ok
- emotion .................... SKIPPED
- engrave .................... ok
- etk ........................ ok
- etk_extra .................. ok
- ewl ........................ ok
- exml ....................... ok
- enhance .................... ok
- e_dbus ..................... ERROR!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------- Last loglines ------------------------------
checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no
checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build static libraries... yes
configure: creating libtool
checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config
checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes
checking for EDBUS... configure: error: Package requirements (
dbus-1 >= 0.62
ecore >= 0.9.9
) were not met:

Requested 'dbus-1 >= 0.62' but version of dbus is 0.60

Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively, you may set the environment variables EDBUS_CFLAGS
and EDBUS_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.

I'm still new to the Linux command line and tree structure and trying to thread my way through it. I just finished a large section of my graduate work and as a present am replacing my old 15" CRT with a large LCD, and I'd love to have E17 up and running on it!!

Thank you!!

[kvk]

Ha! Never mind- I finally made it through all 72 pages of this thread and saw that others are having the same issue with Dapper. I'll go ahead and get the Ubuntu 7.10 disk and load the newer OS, and hopefully that will resolve the issue.

Sorry for the wasted space!!

KVK

[Rui Pais]

Hi Rui~

I was running the E17 install from this thread with the new skip list and got this error on Dapper:

- eet ........................ previously installed
- evas ....................... ok
- ecore ...................... ok
- efreet ..................... ok
- epeg ....................... ok
- embryo ..................... ok
- edje ....................... ok
- epsilon .................... ok
- esmart ..................... ok
- emotion .................... SKIPPED
- engrave .................... ok
- etk ........................ ok
- etk_extra .................. ok
- ewl ........................ ok
- exml ....................... ok
- enhance .................... ok
- e_dbus ..................... ERROR!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------- Last loglines ------------------------------
checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no
checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build static libraries... yes
configure: creating libtool
checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config
checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes
checking for EDBUS... configure: error: Package requirements (
dbus-1 >= 0.62
ecore >= 0.9.9
) were not met:

Requested 'dbus-1 >= 0.62' but version of dbus is 0.60

Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively, you may set the environment variables EDBUS_CFLAGS
and EDBUS_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.

I'm still new to the Linux command line and tree structure and trying to thread my way through it. I just finished a large section of my graduate work and as a present am replacing my old 15" CRT with a large LCD, and I'd love to have E17 up and running on it!!

Thank you!!

Ha! Never mind- I finally made it through all 72 pages of this thread and saw that others are having the same issue with Dapper. I'll go ahead and get the Ubuntu 7.10 disk and load the newer OS, and hopefully that will resolve the issue.

Sorry for the wasted space!!

KVK

Hi KVK,
no problem at all.
Yes, thats a known problem with Dapper (i think i should have to put a warning on 1st. post on this...)

Going to Gutsy it's probably the best solution indeed.
Other options are:
- Try to use e17 without e_dbus (it used to work, but nor sure by now...)
- Try to compile e17 after changing on files .e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/configure and .e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/configure.in any reference dbus-1 >= 0.62 to dbus-1 >= 0.60 (didn't try it)
- Get CVS code from e_dbus=0.60 days (beginning of Edgy days, i think...)

Good luck anyway, and post on any issue.
Rui

[kvk]

I'd like to go in and change the E17 code as you mentioned to improve my ability to work with that sort of thing.

How would I do that? I'm assuming I can open things in the terminal, but I don't know how to do it. I tried running

sudo gedit apt-get .e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/configure

but that's obviously incorrect! :-p

Thanks for your time and patience!!

KVK

[Rui Pais]

I'd like to go in and change the E17 code as you mentioned to improve my ability to work with that sort of thing.

How would I do that? I'm assuming I can open things in the terminal, but I don't know how to do it. I tried running

sudo gedit apt-get .e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/configure

but that's obviously incorrect! :-p

Thanks for your time and patience!!

KVK

No problem :)

just enter:
sudo gedit ~/.e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/configure ~/.e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/configure.in
use the Find & Replace tool (Ctrl+H) and change all 0.62 to 0.60.

Not sure that it won't hit any incompatibility, but in worst case e_dbus would simply not compile.

[kvk]

I went ahead and tried that, but these are the resulting errors after the find-replace, and then running a re-install command.

make[2]: Entering directory `/home/river/e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/src'
Making all in lib
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/river/e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/src/lib'
Making all in dbus
make[4]: Entering directory `/home/river/e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/src/lib/dbus'
if /bin/sh ../../../libtool --tag=CC --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -I/opt/e17/include -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -I/opt/e17/include -MT e_dbus_object.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/e_dbus_object.Tpo" -c -o e_dbus_object.lo e_dbus_object.c; \
then mv -f ".deps/e_dbus_object.Tpo" ".deps/e_dbus_object.Plo"; else rm -f ".deps/e_dbus_object.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -I/opt/e17/include -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -I/opt/e17/include -MT e_dbus_object.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/e_dbus_object.Tpo -c e_dbus_object.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/e_dbus_object.o
e_dbus_object.c: In function '_introspect_method_append':
e_dbus_object.c:517: error: 'DBusSignatureIter' undeclared (first use in this function)
e_dbus_object.c:517: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
e_dbus_object.c:517: error: for each function it appears in.)
e_dbus_object.c:517: error: syntax error before 'iter'
e_dbus_object.c:532: error: 'iter' undeclared (first use in this function)
e_dbus_object.c:533: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
e_dbus_object.c:548: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
make[4]: *** [e_dbus_object.lo] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/river/e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/src/lib/dbus'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/river/e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/src/lib'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/river/e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/river/e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus'
make: *** [all] Error 2

Does the 'ecore' need to be modified as well? Or is that simply directly dependent on the dbus-1 version, so that if the dbus is correct, the ecore will be correct too?

[Rui Pais]

I went ahead and tried that, but these are the resulting errors after the find-replace, and then running a re-install command.

make[2]: Entering directory `/home/river/e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/src'
Making all in lib
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/river/e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/src/lib'
Making all in dbus
make[4]: Entering directory `/home/river/e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/src/lib/dbus'
if /bin/sh ../../../libtool --tag=CC --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -I/opt/e17/include -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -I/opt/e17/include -MT e_dbus_object.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/e_dbus_object.Tpo" -c -o e_dbus_object.lo e_dbus_object.c; \
then mv -f ".deps/e_dbus_object.Tpo" ".deps/e_dbus_object.Plo"; else rm -f ".deps/e_dbus_object.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -I/opt/e17/include -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -I/opt/e17/include -MT e_dbus_object.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/e_dbus_object.Tpo -c e_dbus_object.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/e_dbus_object.o
e_dbus_object.c: In function '_introspect_method_append':
e_dbus_object.c:517: error: 'DBusSignatureIter' undeclared (first use in this function)
e_dbus_object.c:517: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
e_dbus_object.c:517: error: for each function it appears in.)
e_dbus_object.c:517: error: syntax error before 'iter'
e_dbus_object.c:532: error: 'iter' undeclared (first use in this function)
e_dbus_object.c:533: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
e_dbus_object.c:548: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
make[4]: *** [e_dbus_object.lo] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/river/e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/src/lib/dbus'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/river/e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/src/lib'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/river/e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/river/e17_cvs/e17/libs/e_dbus'
make: *** [all] Error 2

Does the 'ecore' need to be modified as well? Or is that simply directly dependent on the dbus-1 version, so that if the dbus is correct, the ecore will be correct too?

Uhmm... i don't think so.
I think that new e_dbus code did require definitions of the new dbus-1 (>=0.62).
Sometimes those updates are just done by devs to keep up to they own versions, but others they are in fact using new features in functions and interfaces... sorry. :(

You can try to add e_dbus to the --skip list, and see hows e17 behave without it by much later (Edgy days i think) this method had e_dbus on skip list and never noted any difference. Don't know if code evolve to have some deep dependency, on functionality, on dbus message system...

[kvk]

Hi Rui~

Just an update. I went ahead and burned an ISO of 7.10 and installed it last night. I tried installing E17 afterwards, and for some reason it added the CVS files to Synaptic, but wouldn't allow installation through the command, citing dependency failures. But installation using the package manager went fine.

Now I just need to figure out all the fun ways to use it.

Thanks for all your work and help!!

KVK

[kvk]

Hi Rui~

I've been exploring E17 and had a few questions to which I couldn't find answers elsewhere.

1. Are the 'weather' and 'forecast' modules configurable? I wanted to change some of the data displayed. I live in Alaska and things like snowfall and weather warnings are always fun.

2. I've downloaded some themes and modules, but my inexperience results in them being saved to the desktop. The get-e.org directs these files to be stored in ~/.e/e/themes or similar directories, but I can't seem to find those directories even manually sorting through the file manager!

Thanks so much!

KVK

[Rui Pais]

Hi Rui~

I've been exploring E17 and had a few questions to which I couldn't find answers elsewhere.

1. Are the 'weather' and 'forecast' modules configurable? I wanted to change some of the data displayed. I live in Alaska and things like snowfall and weather warnings are always fun.

Hi kvk, sorry this late answer.
Yes they are both configurable. Just load it to some shelf and right click on module, choosing 'Configuration'.
You must get Location codes from web sites mentionned on config windows.


2. I've downloaded some themes and modules, but my inexperience results in them being saved to the desktop. The get-e.org directs these files to be stored in ~/.e/e/themes or similar directories, but I can't seem to find those directories even manually sorting through the file manager!

Thanks so much!

KVK

No problem :)
The ~ on a path means your username directory under /home/
Directories started with a dot, like .e are invisible for most File Managers, until you set 'Show Hidden' on (usually with Ctrl+H).

You can move them from command line with:
mv ~/Desktop/*.edj ~/.e/e/themes/

hth
Rui

[kvk]

Thanks, Rui!! There's a lot here to digest, but it's really most excellent. Thanks for all your help!

[v3rtigo]

--------------------------- Installing libraries (EFL) -------------------------
- eet ........................ ok
- evas ....................... ok
- ecore ...................... ok
- efreet ..................... ok
- epeg ....................... ok
- embryo ..................... ok
- edje ....................... ok
- epsilon .................... ok
- esmart ..................... ok
- emotion .................... SKIPPED
- engrave .................... ok
- etk ........................ ok
- etk_extra .................. ok
- ewl ........................ ok
- exml ....................... ok
- enhance .................... ok
- e_dbus ..................... ok
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

---------------------------- Installing applications ---------------------------
- e .......................... ok
- entrance ................... SKIPPED
- eclair ..................... SKIPPED
- evfs ....................... SKIPPED
- edje_viewer ................ ok
- elicit ..................... SKIPPED
- elitaire ................... SKIPPED
- emphasis ................... SKIPPED
- empower .................... SKIPPED
- emprint .................... ok
- engycad .................... SKIPPED
- entrance_edit_gui .......... SKIPPED
- entropy .................... SKIPPED
- ephoto ..................... SKIPPED
- estickies .................. SKIPPED
- exhibit .................... ok
- expedite ................... SKIPPED
- exquisite .................. ok
- extrackt ................... SKIPPED
- e_phys ..................... no build system
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------- Installing e17 modules ---------------------------
- alarm ...................... ok
- bling ...................... ok
- calendar ................... ok
- cpu ........................ ok
- deskshow ................... ok
- echo ....................... ok
- efm_nav .................... SKIPPED
- efm_path ................... SKIPPED
- emu ........................ SKIPPED
- execwatch .................. SKIPPED
- flame ...................... SKIPPED
- forecasts .................. ok
- language ................... SKIPPED
- mail ....................... ok
- mem ........................ ok
- mixer ...................... SKIPPED
- moon ....................... SKIPPED
- mpdule ..................... SKIPPED
- net ........................ ok
- news ....................... SKIPPED
- notification ............... SKIPPED
- penguins ................... SKIPPED
- photo ...................... SKIPPED
- rain ....................... SKIPPED
- screenshot ................. ok
- slideshow .................. ok
- snow ....................... SKIPPED
- taskbar .................... ok
- tclock ..................... ok
- uptime ..................... ok
- weather .................... ok
- winselector ................ ok
- wlan ....................... ok
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------






Why all the "skipped" things?
i'm on gutsy.

[smartboyathome]

The skipped things are things that aren't needed or are broken. These aren't included with the install.

[djvantri]

Hi I installed E17 from the CVS...just curious if i am experiencing an error that i shouldnt be with the ibar, i cant seem to right click on it and add an icon, or configure it, both of these things result in a segfault.

Dave

[smartboyathome]

This happens every once in a while. Update it and see if it goes away, if not then go on the irc channel on irc.freenode.net (this can be done using Pidgin).

[NeverM$4Me]

It appears that apparently the site hosting the repo of e17 cvs is currently down. I got the following errors during installation:

------------------------------- CVS checkout/update ----------------------------
- checkout source of repo 'e17/apps' ...
Unknown host anoncvs.enlightenment.org.
Unknown host anoncvs.enlightenment.org.
Unknown host anoncvs.enlightenment.org.
Unknown host anoncvs.enlightenment.org.
Unknown host anoncvs.enlightenment.org.
Unknown host anoncvs.enlightenment.org.
Unknown host anoncvs.enlightenment.org.


How can I get pass this update checks?

[smartboyathome]

You can't if you are installing fresh. The package is just a wrapper to get the latest CVS. :(

EDIT: The server isn't down now, I am getting it fine.

[djvantri]

yea updating isnt fixing it at all

[Rui Pais]

Hi I installed E17 from the CVS...just curious if i am experiencing an error that i shouldnt be with the ibar, i cant seem to right click on it and add an icon, or configure it, both of these things result in a segfault.

Dave

This happens every once in a while. Update it and see if it goes away, if not then go on the irc channel on irc.freenode.net (this can be done using Pidgin).

yea updating isnt fixing it at all

Hi guys.
Thats a bug that exist for some time (one of the problems of e17 it's that this kind of bugs persist for a long times :(...)

You should note that it only segfaults when you try to set an icon.
Try to add an icon (a launcher) without set icon first. Save. And then try to edited created launcher to add an icon (sometimes require 2 or 3 trials). Or edit by hand, to add the icon. Files are at ~/.local/share/applications/.

[Rui Pais]

It appears that apparently the site hosting the repo of e17 cvs is currently down. I got the following errors during installation:

------------------------------- CVS checkout/update ----------------------------
- checkout source of repo 'e17/apps' ...
Unknown host anoncvs.enlightenment.org.
Unknown host anoncvs.enlightenment.org.
Unknown host anoncvs.enlightenment.org.
Unknown host anoncvs.enlightenment.org.
Unknown host anoncvs.enlightenment.org.
Unknown host anoncvs.enlightenment.org.
Unknown host anoncvs.enlightenment.org.


How can I get pass this update checks?

You can't if you are installing fresh. The package is just a wrapper to get the latest CVS. :(

EDIT: The server isn't down now, I am getting it fine.

Yeap, server was down. But is ok by now.

[NeverM$4Me]

You can't if you are installing fresh. The package is just a wrapper to get the latest CVS. :(

EDIT: The server isn't down now, I am getting it fine.


Still no luck:(

I am behind a corporate firewall, could that be the cause? Does the script detect network proxy set by system? Have no problems connecting to internet though:confused:

[smartboyathome]

Still no luck:(

I am behind a corporate firewall, could that be the cause? Does the script detect network proxy set by system? Have no problems connecting to internet though:confused:

I don't think the script handles proxies at all. Unless you can find out how to use cvs through a proxy.

[Rui Pais]

Still no luck:(

I am behind a corporate firewall, could that be the cause? Does the script detect network proxy set by system? Have no problems connecting to internet though:confused:

I don't know nothing about proxy settings either :(

Check if some of those tips are helpful:
http://ximbiot.com/cvs/manual/cvs-1.12.13/cvs_2.html#SEC28

If you have a 64 bits you can try a pre-compiled version of e17-cvs here:
http://cafelinux.org/forum/index.php/topic,1012.msg3037.html#msg3037

good luck

[NeverM$4Me]

I don't know nothing about proxy settings either :(

Check if some of those tips are helpful:
http://ximbiot.com/cvs/manual/cvs-1.12.13/cvs_2.html#SEC28

If you have a 64 bits you can try a pre-compiled version of e17-cvs here:
http://cafelinux.org/forum/index.php/topic,1012.msg3037.html#msg3037

good luck

Thanks for the tips, Rui:)

After modified the script to add the proxy part, I'm now getting further down the process. Thanks guys. Way to go!

[smartboyathome]

Could you perhaps post what parts of the script you modified so that it can help others in the future? :)

[sanicki]

Okay...so I grabbed myself the Gutsy i386 mini.iso (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD) and did a cli install, then followed the page 1 instructions. Installed just fine. Skipped Entrance as expected but I thought I was ready for it (Post #659 gives the URL to the Entrance deb (http://e17.dunnewind.net/ubuntu/pool/e17/e/entrance/) so I did the wget plus dpkg -i thang.)

But I get dependency errors galore when trying to install it. So I tried the libs deb from the same directory. Same problem.

Scanned the last 25 pages of this post looking for a mention of similar situation but didn't find any. Suggestions?

p.s. Noticed it skipped Elitaire as well. Played that on Elive (and I want to echo what a perfect implementation Elive is, absolutely worth the donation) and I'd like to get it running so if anyone has a tip on that it'd be appreciated too.

UPDATE: Going to try it from here (http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/LATEST/). Wish me luck.

[Rui Pais]

Could you perhaps post what parts of the script you modified so that it can help others in the future? :)

++
this appeared at least once before, would be an excellent idea.


NeverM$4Me,
if you post what changes you made i can add them, to How-to and help others that may stay in the same situation.


Thank you.

[Rui Pais]

Okay...so I grabbed myself the Gutsy i386 mini.iso (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD) and did a cli install, then followed the page 1 instructions. Installed just fine. Skipped Entrance as expected but I thought I was ready for it (Post #659 gives the URL to the Entrance deb (http://e17.dunnewind.net/ubuntu/pool/e17/e/entrance/) so I did the wget plus dpkg -i thang.)

But I get dependency errors galore when trying to install it. So I tried the libs deb from the same directory. Same problem.

Scanned the last 25 pages of this post looking for a mention of similar situation but didn't find any. Suggestions?

p.s. Noticed it skipped Elitaire as well. Played that on Elive (and I want to echo what a perfect implementation Elive is, absolutely worth the donation) and I'd like to get it running so if anyone has a tip on that it'd be appreciated too.

UPDATE: Going to try it from here (http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/LATEST/). Wish me luck.


Hi saneki.
somewhere on this thread theres some suggestions to boot from command line (with startx).
But the easy way it's installing a login manager like GDM/KDM (or lighter: XDM/WDM/SLIM)

Entrance, it's very hard to configure with Ubuntu,some times it's buggy and not much maintained, miss some features like XDMCP support, have weird problems with wifi.
So i don't recommended!


PLEASE NOTE:
This method it's incompatible with other installation methods!!
It soon will give you problems if you start mix this with random packages from other methods/repos.

If you want to go that way you must uninstall e17-cvs, purge it and remove any /opt/e17 files.

If you want to use this method, remove any package/code installed from other method.

The correct way of installing packages skipped it's editing the conf file /etc/.easy_e17.conf and remove what the desired one from --skip list.

[sanicki]

Thanks Rui. I had hit a wall. I may try oz-desktop-light instead :)

[L33t Masta]

This may sound stupid, but how do I start it?

[Rui Pais]

This may sound stupid, but how do I start it?

Hi
Logout gnome (or the DE you are using) and at Login Manger (gdm)
click 'Options' than choose 'Select Session', It's called Enlightenment.
:)

[L33t Masta]

Wow! THat has to be one of the best looking desktops I have ever seen. But I have a few issues:

1. There seems to be no "paste" option in the console
2. E17 doesn't connect to my wireless network when I restart and don't go into gnome first.
3. How do I take screenshots?

[Rui Pais]

Wow! THat has to be one of the best looking desktops I have ever seen. But I have a few issues:

1. There seems to be no "paste" option in the console
2. E17 doesn't connect to my wireless network when I restart and don't go into gnome first.
3. How do I take screenshots?

Yes, e17 can look so well :)
Don't forget to check several themes, till you got one that goes the best with your tastes.

About 1) the console you mention must be default xterm, cool and fast but with several limitations. Try install xfce4-terminal. It's yet light and fast, but with much more options. And mouse support. Or you can run gnome-terminal, if you have installed (heavier/slower).

2) e17 wireless module it's very buggy by now... people usually install wicd to solve that. Here the link:
http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
Installation:
http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php

3) Screenshots: load the module screenshot, or use the command line emprint.

good luck

[L33t Masta]

Looks great. What about screen brightness the volume buttons on my laptop? Any workaround for that?

[sawa38]

helo there

first i wanna thanks to Rui for his great how-to.
i have just install e17 on my computer (thanx to Rui's tutorial) and its astonishing :)

but.....
i encounter a few problems :(

first, i can't connect to the internet. i'm using a dsl modem,
in gnome the internet work fine. i've tried firefox and epiphany. somehow
it won't connect, even when modem indicator show that i'm already connected.

second, e17 run so slow. my compiz is active. is it related to compiz setting?
i'm using linux mint 4.0, with 256 Mb RAM and Radeon 9600 video card.

i hope someone can help me with this issues.
i'm sorry for the bad english.
thanx b4.

[smartboyathome]

E17 shouldn't be slow, and running compiz with it is impossible unless you install ecomorph, a thrid party plugin for E17. Have you checked what processes start up? I suspect this to be your root cause.

[sawa38]

thanx smartboyathome, i'll check it soon. can you tell me the normal start up processes look like? coz i don't know anything about linux scripting. thanx

[smartboyathome]

I don't know about what normally starts up, but I know that you should check Configuration > Configuration Panel (I think it is called, I am not on it right now), and Applications on the left side. There should be a selection on the right side which says Startup Applications.