Please don't do this anymore

[Majorix]

After hearing good things about it, I decided to give Sabayon Linux a go.

I went to their site on my Windows installation, using IE7, to get a warning saying this:
Internet Explorer 5/6 is not supported. Get Firefox.

..or directly destroy your Windows PC. We won't tell you to use IE 7.0, even if it works, somehow.
So get rid of this warning, change. How can you live in a world without tabs?? You're insane.

(Notice how they couldn't properly detect my IE version)

This warning made me both sad and mad.

Ok I have seen places which would block IE or Firefox but I wouldn't expect this from the homepage of a popular Linux distro.

It also made me mad. Who on earth are you to tell me to destroy my PC? How can you tell me to change? How can you say which browser I should use? How can you tell me I am insane? Well it is you that is insane! Sorry I am starting to act as immature as they are. Also sorry if I overreacted a bit.

What do you say? Isn't it time to become more mature? I mean what can you get if you block me? I just won't download your software. Is that what you want?

Be mature, allow eachother.

[RageOfOrder]

How about if you're going to be a linux user, you smarten up a little. IE is the worst browser known to man. Linux users generally have a bit more common sense than that.

Serves you right.

[Majorix]

I AM an active Linux user. But I don't see anything wrong with IE7. It serves me ok, I didn't get any viruses off of it etc. So its just fine.

I would install Firefox too (thats what I use on Linux distros usually) but I am too lazy to even go and fetch the installer :p

Thanks for the warning though.

[~LoKe]

Linux is all about choice. Putting this garbage on your website is juvenile and strips you of all appearances of being professional.

[23meg]

It's public knowledge that IE is the worst browser, but what about people attempting to switch from the bad to the good, or who have intentions to do so and are researching things? Excluding them with ridiculous terms like these is stupid.

Note that excluding IE 5/6 means excluding most Internet users.

[Fbot1]

After hearing good things about it, I decided to give Sabayon Linux a go.

I went to their site on my Windows installation, using IE7, to get a warning saying this:

(Notice how they couldn't properly detect my IE version)

This warning made me both sad and mad.

Ok I have seen places which would block IE or Firefox but I wouldn't expect this from the homepage of a popular Linux distro.

It also made me mad. Who on earth are you to tell me to destroy my PC? How can you tell me to change? How can you say which browser I should use? How can you tell me I am insane? Well it is you that is insane! Sorry I am starting to act as immature as they are. Also sorry if I overreacted a bit.

What do you say? Isn't it time to become more mature? I mean what can you get if you block me? I just won't download your software. Is that what you want?

Be mature, allow eachother.

I agree with you that's just stupid and immature.

[ryno519]

How about if you're going to be a linux user, you smarten up a little. IE is the worst browser known to man. Linux users generally have a bit more common sense than that.

Serves you right.

How about if the website of a GNU/Linux distribution didn't insult potential users when they come to their site. How about a little courtesy. It's a browser capable of downloading their software. What do they care? This lack of professionalism would most certainly sway me away from using their product.

Upon further investigation of their site, it does not seem to render correctly with Firefox. Fascinating.

[ynnhoj]

How about if the website of a GNU/Linux distribution didn't insult potential users when they come to their site. How about a little courtesy. It's a browser capable of downloading their software. What do they care? This lack of professionalism would most certainly sway me away from using their product.
their site is ugly as sin anyways, so i'd probably turn away before i even noticed any childish disclaimers.

[Fbot1]

Upon further investigation of their site, it does not seem to render correctly with Firefox. Fascinating.

No, it's just that big *** image.

[robconscient]

Rage opined:How about if you're going to be a linux user, you smarten up a little. IE is the worst browser known to man. Linux users generally have a bit more common sense than that.and missed the point I'm afraid, as well as the bigger picture (http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php?page=policy)
I went to their site on my Windows installation
But then, to criticize is to presuppose an alternative, so how about this...

Well, as a fellow linux user, you're smart to know that IE is the worst browser known to man. Sabayon should have learned a long time ago that you can attract more flies with honey than vinegar. Shame.

sigh

[raja]

Thats amazingly immature and stupid. If I had thought of trying Sabayon and had an experience like you, I too would just move off.
Though I haven't used IE for about 5 years now, this is certainly not the right attitude.

[RageOfOrder]

How many of you do web-design?
You should know IE does not conform to several standards that every other major browser (firefox, opera, safari, konqueror, etc) adhere to. Several web-designers I know have nightmares about cross compatability for IE6 users, and to be truthful, the easiest way is just to say "**** you" to them.

I realize you can't feasibly do this on most websites, but I think that a website for a linux distro should have the right to reject IE users if they see fit, seeing as IE is not made for linux.

In any case, that wouldn't sway me from using their product. I love gentoo but I don't have time to maintain it manually. So by using Sabayon's regular binary updates I can have my gentoo and eat it too.

[K.Mandla]

I went to their site on my Windows installation, using IE7, to get a warning saying this. ...
I agree, that is an exceptionally bad idea. Complaining about a browser when you're trying to attract new users is only going to drive people away.

[ryno519]

How many of you do web-design?
You should know IE does not conform to several standards that every other major browser (firefox, opera, safari, konqueror, etc) adhere to. Several web-designers I know have nightmares about cross compatability for IE6 users, and to be truthful, the easiest way is just to say "**** you" to them.

I realize you can't feasibly do this on most websites, but I think that a website for a linux distro should have the right to reject IE users if they see fit, seeing as IE is not made for linux.

In any case, that wouldn't sway me from using their product. I love gentoo but I don't have time to maintain it manually. So by using Sabayon's regular binary updates I can have my gentoo and eat it too.

If they can't get that design to work properly on IE, Opera and Firefox then their "web designer" deserves to be out on his ***. If their best solution is to not allow a browser to view the page then that "web designer" either has no clue what he's doing or is a complete douchenozzle.

[Fbot1]

How many of you do web-design?
You should know IE does not conform to several standards that every other major browser (firefox, opera, safari, konqueror, etc) adhere to. Several web-designers I know have nightmares about cross compatability for IE6 users, and to be truthful, the easiest way is just to say "**** you" to them.

I realize you can't feasibly do this on most websites, but I think that a website for a linux distro should have the right to reject IE users if they see fit, seeing as IE is not made for linux.

In any case, that wouldn't sway me from using their product. I love gentoo but I don't have time to maintain it manually. So by using Sabayon's regular binary updates I can have my gentoo and eat it too.

No, the easiest way would be letting the page look like crap.

[red_Marvin]

How many of you do web-design?
You should know IE does not conform to several standards that every other major browser (firefox, opera, safari, konqueror, etc) adhere to. Several web-designers I know have nightmares about cross compatability for IE6 users, and to be truthful, the easiest way is just to say "**** you" to them.

I realize you can't feasibly do this on most websites, but I think that a website for a linux distro should have the right to reject IE users if they see fit, seeing as IE is not made for linux.

In any case, that wouldn't sway me from using their product. I love gentoo but I don't have time to maintain it manually. So by using Sabayon's regular binary updates I can have my gentoo and eat it too.

Not ensuring IE compatibility and deliberately blocking it is two different things, just as you can't expect a windows game developer to ensure that it runs with wine, but one that deliberately prohibits it will get a lot of bad press from the linux community. This kind of behaviour, especially with that particular wording, will only add to the elitist image of linux users and is also blocking a big part of such a site's target audience. Finally if linux is all about giving the user choices, this is definitely against that spirit, even if the purpose is to save the user from the security risks of using IE (And thus having a greater good agenda) there should be some links to information about the risks, - and yeah the wording would have to change.

[-SpaZ]

Linux is all about choice. Putting this garbage on your website is juvenile and strips you of all appearances of being professional.

This is one of the most intelligent posts in this thread. Linux is all about choice, and when you start taking choices away you start to loose the concept of what the spirit of Linux truly is, an operating system that lets you do whatever you want with what you have.

[23meg]

How many of you do web-design?

I do, and I very strongly dislike IE.

You should know IE does not conform to several standards that every other major browser (firefox, opera, safari, konqueror, etc) adhere to. Several web-designers I know have nightmares about cross compatability for IE6 users, and to be truthful, the easiest way is just to say "**** you" to them.

The easiest way is rarely the best way, you know. If the cost of saying "****" you to MS for IE is excluding a great portion of your potential target audience and making another great portion grow cold of you for that action, you need to think twice.

To resort to the immortal car analogy, this is like driving to Brand A's showroom to buy a car with a Brand B car, and being kicked out of the premises by the personnel upon your car brand being noticed.

[macogw]

they probably used <!--[if ie]->*redirect*<-[end if]--> instead of [if lt ie 7] or whatever it is

ive been rather tempted for a while to make a site that blocks IE users. then i wouldnt have to do a bunch of extra coding (one line is not a bunch of extra) all because microsoft is a bunch of idiots who don't know how to make a browser that gets anywhere CLOSE to following web standards

i see nothing wrong with saying F U to IE users. they should go get a real browser. i wouldn't "grow cold" of a site that did that. i'd cheer them on.

[julian67]

If they can't get that design to work properly on IE, Opera and Firefox then their "web designer" deserves to be out on his ***. If their best solution is to not allow a browser to view the page then that "web designer" either has no clue what he's doing or is a complete douchenozzle.

+1

The page doesn't render properly on Epiphany either. It does display OK with hv3 that well known browser used by ....er....3 people. I expect dillo would render it too. Sabayon is very heavy on self promotion and self congratulation but not very good at simple things like this or having servers and mirrors that work well.

@macogw lots of people use their employer's computer or a public computer or a shared computer...not everyone has a choice.

[Sp4cedOut]

The whole point is to try to convince people to switch to Linux. Being rude like that will only drive people away and maintain the image the Linux users are elitist fanatics that look down on everyone else.

[ticopelp]

Linux is all about choice. Putting this garbage on your website is juvenile and strips you of all appearances of being professional.

IE is the worst browser imaginable, but I agree with this.

[tcpip4lyfe]

Linux is all about choice. Putting this garbage on your website is juvenile and strips you of all appearances of being professional.

Yep

[Fbot1]

IE is the worst browser imaginable

Now that's going to far.

[picpak]

I use IE every now and then, and I certainly wouldn't want to see a message like this on a Linux distro's site. Reminds me of the time I used Vector Linux: I downloaded it and got it running okay, but I removed it simply because of how unprofessional the installer was.

[tact]

When Mr. Win-user finally thinks "maybe there is something better out there and I heard of linux".... and he decides to google and go to a linux website and see if maybe he should do some reading, see if it sounds like worth a try, and maybe download something to test out....

Guess what browser Mr Win-user will be using? Very high probability? Of course IE.

Blocking information seekers achieves what?

[racoq]

Ok, if the linux community/ firefox (or other browsers) users, are constantly complaining about how many sites only support IE, and how frustrated they are about that, why we will be like those lazy IE webmasters, or like microsoft (and their windows update IE only compliance) and do the exact same thing?

The guys behind Sabayon must be plain stupid / immature to do this.

[jrusso2]

After hearing good things about it, I decided to give Sabayon Linux a go.

I went to their site on my Windows installation, using IE7, to get a warning saying this:

(Notice how they couldn't properly detect my IE version)

This warning made me both sad and mad.

Ok I have seen places which would block IE or Firefox but I wouldn't expect this from the homepage of a popular Linux distro.

It also made me mad. Who on earth are you to tell me to destroy my PC? How can you tell me to change? How can you say which browser I should use? How can you tell me I am insane? Well it is you that is insane! Sorry I am starting to act as immature as they are. Also sorry if I overreacted a bit.

What do you say? Isn't it time to become more mature? I mean what can you get if you block me? I just won't download your software. Is that what you want?

Be mature, allow eachother.

I think it was rather humorous myself, gave me a chuckle.

[jgrabham]

I think it was rather humorous myself, gave me a chuckle.

Me too. Always use firefox when Im using other peoples computers anyway.

[Majorix]

I have read a few replies here about how much IE sucks because of that and that. Ok IE has some problems I can admit that. Nobody is perfect.

Neither is Firefox. It supports an add-on we all know that blocks ads (called AdBlock Plus, for those who still don't know) and it can be very well considered violating the rules of advertisements and www.

Some sites are starting to realize this truth and a few even blocked Firefox from accessing them.

What if MS decides to make a move about this to get Firefox out of the market? We all know how much power and influence MS can have in their hands with all that money.

So before stating IE sucks, please be careful.

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT HOW MUCH IE SUCKS. I opened this thread to see how people think about being mature and stopping blocking each other's browsers. And sadly, some are showing their immature side by saying IE is the worst browser etc. Again, please be careful with what you say.

Thanks.

[LookTJ]

I thought Linux communities were open, not closed minded..That's Microsoft's job to block us. We just sit back and watch Microsoft go downhill.

[mindtrick]

Sabayon's founder, as I have seen a number of times, tells people off on internet forums and sites like digg. He's very arrogant and not open to criticism. So I'm not surprised by this.

[Acglaphotis]

Neither is Firefox. It supports an add-on we all know that blocks ads (called AdBlock Plus, for those who still don't know) and it can be very well considered violating the rules of advertisements and www.

We can always switch agent user.

But i agree with you that [sabayon's message] it's a little rough on new users, who will probably be driven away when they see that.

[kirios]

The guys behind Sabayon must be plain stupid / immature to do this.
Sounds more like arrogance to me. Gentoo and Sabayon may be great distros (haven't tried them yet), but the Distrowatch forum last week left me with the impression that some of its users are arrogant and elitist. Hardly the best way to promote a distro!

[LuisAugusto]

I found it funny.
You're the immature guy. They're kidding, you can browser the web as much as you want with IE, and at the same time, they're just pointing users to a better web browser option. Don't you think that a user would look for that "thing called firefox" after seeing that?

That remind me of a K application called Apolon, they're joke was amazing, they tell you to read the instruction, AT LEAST THE FIRST ONE, and if you don't know what to do, just put 0, 0, 0!

Where's the joke? The first question ask user to put anything but 0 :P

[Atomic Dog]

Linux is all about choice. Putting this garbage on your website is juvenile and strips you of all appearances of being professional.

It is sad that it took 3 pages to recognize the elegance of this short statement.

[Dimitriid]

After hearing good things about it, I decided to give Sabayon Linux a go.

I went to their site on my Windows installation, using IE7, to get a warning saying this:

(Notice how they couldn't properly detect my IE version)

This warning made me both sad and mad.

Ok I have seen places which would block IE or Firefox but I wouldn't expect this from the homepage of a popular Linux distro.

It also made me mad. Who on earth are you to tell me to destroy my PC? How can you tell me to change? How can you say which browser I should use? How can you tell me I am insane? Well it is you that is insane! Sorry I am starting to act as immature as they are. Also sorry if I overreacted a bit.

What do you say? Isn't it time to become more mature? I mean what can you get if you block me? I just won't download your software. Is that what you want?

Be mature, allow eachother.

Thats harmless compared to what microsoft does to stop any competition that might threaten them. A little elitism never hurt anybody, and is not like any of those statements are not actually true.

I recommend you get yourself involved into daily IT support so you understand where those guys are coming from.

Now less seriousness and more jokes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfLgGf4nskI

[Dimitriid]

Sounds more like arrogance to me. Gentoo and Sabayon may be great distros (haven't tried them yet), but the Distrowatch forum last week left me with the impression that some of its users are arrogant and elitist. Hardly the best way to promote a distro!

Different distros are promoted differently. Not every distro is trying to get the mass appeal Ubuntu shoots for, some are made to appeal to a tiny niche audience that is not really interested in mass adoption.

So one more time: nothing wrong with a little elitism.

[eentonig]

Ie is a bad, bad browser. But if I were looking for an alternative and wanted to try linux and I read a site like that... I'd stick with windows.

Maybe it's a good distro, but I don't want to put my daily work in the hands of imature kids.

[Dimitriid]

Ie is a bad, bad browser. But if I were looking for an alternative and wanted to try linux and I read a site like that... I'd stick with windows.


Enjoy paying for the privilege of having microsoft tell you what to do then. Plain and simple, people truly looking for an alternative to Windows wont stop at the first distro they look at. People waiting with a smug attitude of "convince me" are the ones making drama queen threads of "farewell cruel Ubuntu world!" every 3 days, they are not interested in change, they are only interested in a windows clone that does not breaks as much and that will never happen anyway.

[angryfirelord]

What's with all the IE haters? IE 6 sucked, but IE 7 has brought some mass improvements and from my usage, is almost as good as Firefox. Just because something's not open-source doesn't make it bad.

Regarding Sabayon, I've always found the site to be unorganized to begin with. Not to mention it's a severely crippled Gentoo and I certainly wouldn't want new users using it.

[karellen]

1. using ie7 doesn't make you (automaticaly) stupid
2. using firefox doesn't make you (automaticaly) smart
and...How can you live in a world without tabs?? You're insane.
ie7 has tabs...

[toupeiro]

Any site or distribution delivering itself as an alternative operating environment, while flaming you for visiting in your operating environment in the same breath is not worth a second more of your time. The idiocy that a person or team of technical people will criticize a visitor for what has been years now the de-facto standard on every PC sold in this country over the last decade is ridiculous. Get over yourselves.

I'm not denouncing the fact that IE is a bad browser, but the fact someone probably stole some code from some other website to detect what browser I am using doesn't impress anybody worth impressing, and the purpose in which it was done makes it worse.

The problem here is not IE, but something known in the industry as a p.e.b.k.a.c on the webmasters end.

(Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair)

[Lord Illidan]

I found it funny.
You're the immature guy. They're kidding, you can browser the web as much as you want with IE, and at the same time, they're just pointing users to a better web browser option. Don't you think that a user would look for that "thing called firefox" after seeing that?

That remind me of a K application called Apolon, they're joke was amazing, they tell you to read the instruction, AT LEAST THE FIRST ONE, and if you don't know what to do, just put 0, 0, 0!

Where's the joke? The first question ask user to put anything but 0 :P

In that case a simple Get Firefox button would have helped. Very unprofessional.

[kirios]

Different distros are promoted differently. Not every distro is trying to get the mass appeal Ubuntu shoots for, some are made to appeal to a tiny niche audience that is not really interested in mass adoption.

So one more time: nothing wrong with a little elitism.
Nothing wrong, as long as elitism doesn't develop into fascism. :-)

[steven8]

Nothing wrong, as long as elitism doesn't develop into fascism. :-)

Everybody's talkin' 'bout elitism. fascism, bagism, ragism, this-ism, that-ism, isn't it the most!

:guitar:

The OP has a point, but I think they were just being smart-aleks. And yes, I figure they anticipate quite a niche-market of visitors.

[kirios]

Everybody's talkin' 'bout elitism. fascism, bagism, ragism, this-ism, that-ism, isn't it the most!
Give Linux a chance! :-)

[M$LOL]

Now that's going to far.
I disagree, it's pretty awful.

Neither is Firefox. It supports an add-on we all know that blocks ads (called AdBlock Plus, for those who still don't know) and it can be very well considered violating the rules of advertisements and www.

Rubbish, I'll block anything I don't want to see, with or without ABP. These "rules" are not decided by internet users, they are decided by the companies that make the ads to make money and don't give a crap about anyone else. There's nothing wrong with using ABP to block all the crap they try to pull, 50% of which can lead to trojans and other malware on a Windows box.

Also, ABP works on IE too, so Firefox isn't doing anything wrong.

Some sites are starting to realize this truth and a few even blocked Firefox from accessing them.

That's what the User Agent Switcher is for ;)

Yes, I agree that they are being stupid and immature and childish, I think that a gentle encouragement would be far better than being condescending towards the user.

[diskotek]

well , IE can be the worst browser but most of the applications people are using because of habits. for example opera is faster than firefx but i couldn't get used to it. so i'm bloated-firefox user...

very irrelevant to subject but i hope IE7 support transparent png's :)))

[DoctorMO]

Neither is Firefox. It supports an add-on we all know that blocks ads (called AdBlock Plus, for those who still don't know) and it can be very well considered violating the rules of advertisements and www.

I do not think that there is such a thing as 'rules of advertisements' which prohibit users from not looking at them. and the W3C http and html protocols specifically say that making additional requests for further supporting files is optional. so the user can and should be allowed to block files from certain websites as they see fit.

Now that's going to far.

It's written very badly, my preference is to redirect new users to a page which gives users two options, render poorly in IE with unpredictable results or install something which support W3C web standards correctly. I'm not even going to bother supporting IE browsers and it has nothing to do with elitism or being silly it's about not supporting poor standards compliance and letting users know that the site is not built for their browser (but still letting them in and storing a cookie to that effect)

[Tux Aubrey]

It's written very badly, my preference is to redirect new users to a page which gives users two options, render poorly in IE with unpredictable results or install something which support W3C web standards correctly. I'm not even going to bother supporting IE browsers and it has nothing to do with elitism or being silly it's about not supporting poor standards compliance and letting users know that the site is not built for their browser (but still letting them in and storing a cookie to that effect)

Sounds like an excellent strategy to me - same message as those lazy, disorganised, arrogant but oh so elegant and well-designed Italians - but without the rude bits.

This has become an interesting discussion about cultural norms and stereotypes. - American browser does whatever it likes to whoever it likes and the Italian web site gives it the finger while other cultures "tsk, tsk" both of them. I'm off to have a beer and build a global media empire.

[the.dark.lord]

How about if you're going to be a linux user, you smarten up a little. IE is the worst browser known to man. Linux users generally have a bit more common sense than that.

Serves you right.
We don't need this kind of attitude, thank you.

[forrestcupp]

If I am using Windows with IE and I am interested in downloading and installing Sabayon Linux, why would I want to waste my time downloading and installing Firefox first so I can download SL just so I can wipe everything off of my computer and install SL which comes with Firefox? That's a waste of time and it's redundant.

Not only is this demeaning, but it's illogical on many fronts.

[julian67]

If I am using Windows with IE and I am interested in downloading and installing Sabayon Linux, why would I want to waste my time downloading and installing Firefox first so I can download SL just so I can wipe everything off of my computer and install SL which comes with Firefox? That's a waste of time and it's redundant.

Not only is this demeaning, but it's illogical on many fronts.

and anyway the page doesn't render perfectly in Firefox...........

sabayon have egg on their face as well as in their distro :)

[Dimitriid]

What's with all the IE haters? IE 6 sucked, but IE 7 has brought some mass improvements and from my usage, is almost as good as Firefox. Just because something's not open-source doesn't make it bad.


It could cure cancer for all I care, its tied to Microsoft (in principle, that is more than enough to avoid it like poison),it continues the monopoly tradition (still build in into the os with no easy way to uninstall, a huge monopolistic practice) and we won't really know how bad it is until holes start popping out. Also, there is nothing new to it, nothing, the best they could afford is exactly what you mention: copying firefox features.

[Dimitriid]

We don't need this kind of attitude, thank you.

Again, who's we? I like it. :popcorn:

[angryfirelord]

It could cure cancer for all I care, its tied to Microsoft (in principle, that is more than enough to avoid it like poison),it continues the monopoly tradition (still build in into the os with no easy way to uninstall, a huge monopolistic practice) and we won't really know how bad it is until holes start popping out. Also, there is nothing new to it, nothing, the best they could afford is exactly what you mention: copying firefox features.
So? Who cares if its by Microsoft? It gets the job done and Microsoft is doing a much better job of fixing security holes in IE.

[Sp4cedOut]

It could cure cancer for all I care, its tied to Microsoft (in principle, that is more than enough to avoid it like poison),it continues the monopoly tradition (still build in into the os with no easy way to uninstall, a huge monopolistic practice) and we won't really know how bad it is until holes start popping out. Also, there is nothing new to it, nothing, the best they could afford is exactly what you mention: copying firefox features.

Hey, if Microsoft can create the best product, you better believe I'll use it. I don't care who makes my software, as long as it gets the job done.

Second of all, I think elitism is hurting the FOSS movement.

[M$LOL]

Microsoft is doing a much better job of fixing security holes in IE.

Much better job than what? Better than they had been doing? That's not saying much. That's like saying "The situation in Iraq has improved drastically since the American occupation began, let's go and live there".

[notwen]

Linux is all about choice. Putting this garbage on your website is juvenile and strips you of all appearances of being professional.

Could not say it any better myself.

[Eddie Wilson]

i see nothing wrong with saying F U to IE users. they should go get a real browser. i wouldn't "grow cold" of a site that did that. i'd cheer them on.

You need to grow up a little if you are going to make it in the business world. While I don't like IE and my Firefox has been blocked before there is always a way to get around the crazy people, and sometimes agent switcher is not the answer because it will not always work all the time. And by the way people don't always know they can even use another browser.

[runningwithscissors]

Nobody is perfect.

Neither is Firefox. It supports an add-on we all know that blocks ads (called AdBlock Plus, for those who still don't know) and it can be very well considered violating the rules of advertisements and www.

Some sites are starting to realize this truth and a few even blocked Firefox from accessing them.

What if MS decides to make a move about this to get Firefox out of the market? We all know how much power and influence MS can have in their hands with all that money.

So before stating IE sucks, please be careful.AHAHAHAHHAAAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

****. *wiping tears from my eyes*.
That was funny.

[arashiko28]

Aw!! Come on! give it up already, the advice does comes of, but why on earth it should "hurt" you if yourself are so full of the windows c***s that you started to check other OS's? I remember I saw heaven crack open when i discovered and first installed firefox, i was sooo sick of IE crashing down every 5 minutes, that I didn't even take the time to check the cause, with 500 security updates, that crashed down windows every week and had to start the installation again... geeezz!!! just remember it gives me the headache! I only have 3 months using linux, and lasted only 2 weeks changing disks, i only connect the windows disk to get out needed data, by usb! i even forgot the wallpaper I had on my windows desktop!

[Majorix]

AHAHAHAHHAAAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

****. *wiping tears from my eyes*.
That was funny.

So why do you find it funny? You have to explain yourself a little.

Just because this is off-topic discussion doesn't mean anybody can have fun of me, nor flame me nor spam. I could have reported some people from here but I don't because of what I am. But don't take it too far.

[Swarms]

Damn I am surprised by how stupid this concept is, but just as much as I am terrified of the arrogance of the people blaming people using IE.

Give me a reason why they have to demonstrate how arrogant they are and how pathetic they are making themself look.
Why couldn't they just let the page render badly, and post a little note why right next to a get Firefox logo?

No and "IE7 sux" won't do, that's just proving my point.

Maybe people like Dimitriid wants the elitism because it gives them a false sense of self esteem but they shouldn't take a blow at others in the process.

This is the close-mindeness that we should learn to discard, and instead show how we are different from others like M$LOL and Dimitriid...

[Old Pink]

It's their site, it's their choice, their opinion, and in my view, a good one.

The worst that could possibly come from this is that they get a few less hits, which is their loss.

I don't want people using IE to the extent I'd never recommend it and if given the chance will show and install firefox to/for people. If they want to take it a step further and stop the browser accessing their site, I fully respect and support this. :)

However, a person shouldn't be judged by their browser, and I'd be pretty annoyed if all sites did this, even though I never use IE (since 5/6 actually, been on Linux ages now) as it could stop good people who don't know how to install firefox from reaching their favorite sites. I only really support this so much because, well if you're going Linux/Opensource you're going to want to get OFF IE.

[Swarms]

It is the people's choice which browser they use, instead of using your energy on the hate, develop a browser which people wants to use instead.

[Old Pink]

[..] Firefox. It supports an add-on we all know that blocks ads (called AdBlock Plus, for those who still don't know) and it can be very well considered violating the rules of advertisements and www.

Some sites are starting to realize this truth and a few even blocked Firefox from accessing them.

What if MS decides to make a move about this to get Firefox out of the market? We all know how much power and influence MS can have in their hands with all that money.

So before stating IE sucks, please be careful.

[..] Again, please be careful with what you say.

Thanks.

Are you kidding!?

No noteworthy sites block access from firefox for this reason. If they do, it's their own loss, they'd see their hits almost half instantly and soon regret the decision. They may

Block users of adblock plus
Find a way around adblock plus
Contact adblock plus threatening legal actionThen, if any action was taken(by MS, or anyone at all) it'd be against adblock plus, not Firefox. It's not Mozilla's fault a plugin has been developed for their software. And even if they get pulled into the argument, all they need to do is pull adblock from their plugin site or stop Firefox working with it and they're out of the noose.

The worst Microsoft could possibly do is stop firefox working on Windows. Therefore forcing people to Linux/Mac. Big loss for them. They wouldn't do it.

Seriously, all your views are lame. ;)

[glupee]

WTF?!
k, i'm on that page right now using IE 6 and it loaded perfectly fine. I saw the banner at the top of their home page but i can still use it..
To the OP... are u sure u let the page finish loading or maybe it's just me.
I could understand the anger if you were blocked, but if it's just saying something, but letting you use the page, well it just looks like a joke to me and don't really see anything wrong with it. It's still letting you have a choice.

[perspectoff]

Who says AdBlock is illegal? Don't be daft.

Internet Explorer has a pop-up blocker integrated into it. Would you call that illegal as well?

Don't give in to the propaganda.

As to running Internet Explorer on Linux (including Ubuntu), it's not something that is blocked.

I installed IE 6 easily on Wine using the instructions at Ubuntuguide.

It works without a problem. Wine is not distro specific. You can use it with any Linux distro.

So stop the propaganda.

[~LoKe]

Some things apparently need to be made clear. But before I elaborate, I should note that I'm a strong supporter of Firefox and I have always suggested that IE users make the switch. But here are the facts (at least, what I think to be fact)

1. IE is not a horrible browser. The problem that most experience is that they don't know how to use it or protect themselves. ActiveX can be disabled, just like it can be enable in Firefox (via extension, IIRC).

2. Firefox is not perfect. Firefox has had vulnerabilities. Firefox has been exploited. Firefox does not always render HTML properly. Its flaws are not as great as IE's, but they're present just the same.

3. Block Firefox because of an extension written by someone other than the developers? Such an ignorant statement and request. I don't use Adblock/Adblock Plus, but you're going to block me anyways? Why would I even want to visit your website if your attitude is such.

4. Insulting a possible client/user is unprofessional and would turn me away from a website regardless of my opinion of the topic. I don't advise the use of IE, but if someone were to blatantly disown a user because of his choice in browser, I would not support him. The fact that they were on a website about Linux shows that they're willing to make changes, even drastic changes. If they were to download your distribution, they might make the switch and do your job for you without getting immature.

5. Choice. I said it before and I will never stop saying it. People will use what works for them. For a long time I used IE and MyIE2 (Maxthon, IE shell) and I had no problems. Being an above average computer user, I knew how to protect myself well enough. Pushing people to change their views is rude and nearly elitist in nature. What you should be doing is EDUCATING others on why they should switch, or how they could improve their security while still using IE.

[Old Pink]

WTF?!
k, i'm on that page right now using IE 6 and it loaded perfectly fine. I saw the banner at the top of their home page but i can still use it..
To the OP... are u sure u let the page finish loading or maybe it's just me.
I could understand the anger if you were blocked, but if it's just saying something, but letting you use the page, well it just looks like a joke to me and don't really see anything wrong with it. It's still letting you have a choice.
WHAT?! You mean, the page works, but there's just a little banner?! I thought there was no access at all!

How lame that this entire 7 page thread escalated from something as small as this.

[mips]

The OP has a very valid point. I would mention this on their own website/forum.

It seems very immature of them from my point of view.

[Ozor Mox]

WHAT?! You mean, the page works, but there's just a little banner?! I thought there was no access at all!

That's what I thought too until I tried it. It shows that message at the top and a link to the Mozilla website, but the rest of the page displays normally. I agree that a "Get Firefox" link would suffice and putting the rest of that stuff is a bit stupid, but it just read like a bit of a joke to me. Who would be insulted and put off a product by a little thing like this? What a fuss, eh?

What's more, Linux has a pretty big range of distributions, varying from the professional competing products like Novell SuSE, Red Hat and Ubuntu, to the fun and hobbyist distributions. If they put this on their site in the first place, I doubt they really care that it makes it look less professional. It's something you would never see on the Ubuntu home page, but why not this distribution? It isn't like they have announced goals to compete with Microsoft Windows have they?

[angryfirelord]

Looks like it's gone. Replaced with something else:
Home Computing to the Next Level

« Get rid of Microsoft Windows. Install the Sabayon Linux Operating System and unleash the full potential of your Computer. Sabayon Linux features the most advanced Industry Open Source technologies: no hassles.
A little better, but still, I'm against any type of bashing.

[purdy hate machine]

Looks like it's gone. Replaced with something else:


There’s been no change as far as I can see, I just thing the OP is mistaken and has not waited for the page to fully load. IE has never been blocked on the SL homepage; I have had it bookmarked for months on my Windows machine at work. The message at the top of the page for IE users I have always taken to be a little tongue in cheek “Get Firefox or directly destroy your Windows PC” ? If you take that seriously then you have been spending far too much time in front of your computer. An 8 page thread just for this? What a bunch of drama queens!

[zero244]

Its funny I was thinking about trying Sabayon myself.......should I trust my computer to immature morons who would put that on there web page. I dont think so.

[steven8]

Its funny I was thinking about trying Sabayon myself.......should I trust my computer to immature morons who would put that on there web page. I dont think so.

I don't know. Which is more mature, actually, having a banner such as that, or buying the ISO vote for OOXML as Microsoft did in Sweden. See the thread about this (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=536840). I'd rather install Sabayon on a dozen comps than have the Official OS of Crooks on my machines.

[M$LOL]

This is the close-mindeness that we should learn to discard, and instead show how we are different from others like M$LOL and Dimitriid...

ORLY?
I suggest you reread my post. IE is crap. But as I said, the site in question is childish and immature. I'm not being closed-minded. I used Windows and IE for years. IE is a very poorly-designed browser. Nothing closed-minded about saying that.

[Swarms]

ORLY?
I suggest you reread my post. IE is crap. But as I said, the site in question is childish and immature. I'm not being closed-minded. I used Windows and IE for years. IE is a very poorly-designed browser. Nothing closed-minded about saying that.

My apologies, your name tricked me into that statement.

[forrestcupp]

Well, I guess this is what we all get for replying to this thread without actually checking it out first.

[Paqman]

Browser sniffing is a lazy, arrogant way to build websites. Designing a site that works in all browsers isn't that hard, really.

[M$LOL]

My apologies, your name tricked me into that statement.
lol, we had a whole thread on my username one time =D
Browser sniffing is a lazy, arrogant way to build websites. Designing a site that works in all browsers isn't that hard, really.

Yup, even M$ can accept that loads of people use FF and make a special FF plugin for WGA.

[strabes]

I think the point of saying "or directly destroy your windows PC" is to say that by using IE you are directly destroying your windows PC. They're not telling you to physically break your computer.

[tact]

So why do you find it funny? You have to explain yourself a little.

Just because this is off-topic discussion doesn't mean anybody can have fun of me, nor flame me nor spam. I could have reported some people from here but I don't because of what I am. But don't take it too far.

I thought it funny too... Read the stuff you wrote about it being somehow punishable to block adverts that those great fellows who make money from the www put on websites. As if they have some right to punish anyone who does not appreciate the money they spent.

That would also make it punishable if you mute the sound on TV during adverts right? Or heaven forbid - use technology like a tivo to skip the adverts.

And what about the leaflets and dodgers placed in your newspapers or magazines, or pressed into your hands at street corners... you read them all for fear of being punished - since some advertiser spent his good money producing those adverts.

Do you read every advert in magazines and newspapers, not flipping pages and skipping the ads... same fear. Right? You never let a billboard pass on the freeway unless you read it? Someone put a lot of money into all these advertising schemes.

If there is ANY reason to say its not a good thing to block adverts from web sites... ANY reason.... its not the one you came out with.

[init1]

This is really immature. I there are times when I have to use IE. Especially if I am using someone else's computer. I can't always choose.

[steveneddy]

How about if you're going to be a linux user, you smarten up a little. IE is the worst browser known to man. Linux users generally have a bit more common sense than that.

Serves you right.

lol!

:popcorn:

[a12ctic]

Sabayon Linux has always a terrible Linux Distribution. Stay away at all costs. Installing it felt like I was using a windows install bloated by months of spyware.