No help sends me back to Microsoft

[jsk]

After one of my Students at the college where I work explained to me that he had tried Ubuntu and for a long period he posted here and received no assistance I decided to give it a try, so I purchased the live CD from MadTux and dual booted the OS on my laptop. Everything went well, except for the wireless connection, so I posted here in both the beginners forum and the wireless forum. I read so many postings that my eyes hurt both here and elsewhere. It seems clear to me that unless one understands and post his problem in such a way as to lead the reader into believing he is intimate with the distro and the commands, he will not receive a reply. Only help is offered to the mid level user.
I have posted my wireless question in many forums and on several linux websites and received no response, including this one.
I have concluded that one must do things on his or her own and spend months reading and using trial and error and screwing up a computer or two in the process to learn the linux language and methods.
I am the first to admit that I know nothing about linux, but to look for help being new to linux is laughable.
There is no help for the new person, and the name Ubuntu is not living up to its real meaning, which should be, if you are looking for help, keep looking until you become so frustrated that you quit the OS.
I would make this a class project in the future, just to see if my students experience similar results
but it has been a incredible waste of time. So I'll just end with this,
No wonder Linux is not more used than it is.
Sadly I told the student that I didn't believe he couldn't get at least some help, guess I was wrong.
Back to XP Pro

Inital Post was:
I have a:
Averatec 5400 laptop
Dual boot XP/Ubuntu 7.04
Ralink RT2500 wireless mini pci

I cannot connect to wireless network
I wish to send Microsoft to the trashcan but I need Internet before I can do that.
My Ubuntu desktop shows my eesid and when I select it, a window open Wireless Network Key Required,
I enter passphrase and click login to network and the little icon begins spinning, then nothing it returns to the begining. and I begin again.
I am familiar with windows but new to Ubuntu.
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks

[LaRoza]

There is no help for the new person, and the name Ubuntu is not living up to its real meaning, which should be, if you are looking for help, keep looking until you become so frustrated that you quit the OS.
I would make this a class project in the future, just to see if my students experience similar results
but it has been a incredible waste of time. So I'll just end with this,
No wonder Linux is not more used than it is.
Sadly I told the student that I didn't believe he couldn't get at least some help, guess I was wrong.
Back to XP Pro

Was there a question or just a rant?

What exactly is the problem, so we can help you find a solution?

EDIT

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1217.html

Perhaps this:
http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/wireless/

[Dr Small]

Ubuntu is easy from the beginning.
I just installed feisty on a brandnew computer that I built, solved the no audio problem (which by the way, was a bios problem rather than an OS problem), got a brandnew wireless card, plugged it in, and worked from the very start.

Ubuntu is easy, and the members here only answer questions that they know, as not to be hypocrites.

Dr Small

[Kilz]

Was there a question or just a rant?

What exactly is the problem, so we can help you find a solution?

EDIT

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1217.html

Perhaps this:
http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/wireless/

Looks like a rant to me. He posted 2 questions about networking, didnt receive an answer, so he feels its worth a rant.
What this person doesnt seem to understand is that sometimes no one has an answer for the question. Support is all done by community members, not someone who is paid to do it.
Id like to know if he even looked at other documentation, or was just relying on other users to point him in the right direction.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=Ralink+RT2500&titlesearch=Titles

Wow the Wiki has 3 pages on it. Amazing how that link to documentation at the top and a search can work wonders.

[armandh]

truely there are stupid questions
those that convey no information about the problem
from those too inept to follow instructions
for problems solved in the past.

when learning to drive you must already know what a
brake is , a shift lever, headlamp switch.

Ubuntu is not for the neo-luddite
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite
just in case

[LaRoza]

The links I posted were the result of a simple google search, using the device name and "Ubuntu", it seems that card is discontinued, but it is well supported.

[mlentink]

I am sorry you feel that way. Especially since your question(s) was (were) less than 24 hours old.
You might have tried the search function of this forum, because there are numerous posts (also by beginners) about the Ralink card.

Please remember that nobody here owes anybody else anything. It is a community of people trying to help each other. Nobody here is getting paid for anything

[switchcode]

Thats the biggest load of BS I have ever read.. I have had help every step of the way from here directly. Search the forums for specific problems; Be intelligent with your search (I got results from searching for "eagle-usb modem drivers" rather than "modem problem" or by starting a new thread to solve a problem already covered a million times over in other threads)
I have never come across a more supportive or active online community than the one that grows around Ubuntu. If you cannot find the help you need from what is already here, never mind by posting a brand new thread? You deserve to spend the rest of your computing life using XP.

[gn2]

If you can't getthe mini-pci network adapter working, and want an easy solution, just buy a cardbus adapter with a chipset that's known to work.
If your hardware won't work you should take it up with the manufacturer who has failed to create a Linux driver rather than rant on here.

Have you read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78250

If your student had better guidance he would learn more.
If you were patient and learned some new stuff you could teach more.

[stchman]

After one of my Students at the college where I work explained to me that he had tried Ubuntu and for a long period he posted here and received no assistance I decided to give it a try, so I purchased the live CD from MadTux and dual booted the OS on my laptop. Everything went well, except for the wireless connection, so I posted here in both the beginners forum and the wireless forum. I read so many postings that my eyes hurt both here and elsewhere. It seems clear to me that unless one understands and post his problem in such a way as to lead the reader into believing he is intimate with the distro and the commands, he will not receive a reply. Only help is offered to the mid level user.
I have posted my wireless question in many forums and on several linux websites and received no response, including this one.
I have concluded that one must do things on his or her own and spend months reading and using trial and error and screwing up a computer or two in the process to learn the linux language and methods.
I am the first to admit that I know nothing about linux, but to look for help being new to linux is laughable.
There is no help for the new person, and the name Ubuntu is not living up to its real meaning, which should be, if you are looking for help, keep looking until you become so frustrated that you quit the OS.
I would make this a class project in the future, just to see if my students experience similar results
but it has been a incredible waste of time. So I'll just end with this,
No wonder Linux is not more used than it is.
Sadly I told the student that I didn't believe he couldn't get at least some help, guess I was wrong.
Back to XP Pro

Inital Post was:
I have a:
Averatec 5400 laptop
Dual boot XP/Ubuntu 7.04
Ralink RT2500 wireless mini pci

I cannot connect to wireless network
I wish to send Microsoft to the trashcan but I need Internet before I can do that.
My Ubuntu desktop shows my eesid and when I select it, a window open Wireless Network Key Required,
I enter passphrase and click login to network and the little icon begins spinning, then nothing it returns to the begining. and I begin again.
I am familiar with windows but new to Ubuntu.
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks

Your post offers very little information about the problem other than you are having wireless problems.

Please tell us what is wrong.

When you have a problem with Windows where do you go? Whe I had a problem with Windows I had to just figure it out as most Windows users know very little about a computer.

You as a college instructor I am surprised at this attitude as when I was in college that instructors told me I had to do some research to figure stuff out.

If Ubuntu is not for you then that is fine, it is not for everybody.

If the wireless card you have is not well supported by Ubuntu you can get a Intel 3945 ABG for around $20 and they work very well.

[WebSiteGuru]

Your post offers no information about the problem other than you are having wireless problems.

Please tell us what is wrong.

When you have a problem with Windows where do you go? Whe I had a problem with Windows I had to just figure it out as most Windows users know very little about a computer.

You as a college instructor I am surprised at this attitude as when I was in college that instructors told me I had to do some research to figure stuff out.

If Ubuntu is not for you then that is fine, it is not for everybody.

Well said. :D

I am also surprised that a college instructor have this attitude, too. From my experience a good instructor will research the information needed, then teach it to the student. That is why you are an instructor.


In any community that have users support each others, not everyone will have the answer for you. Sometime you as the person with the problem will in-turn come up with the answer for everyone in the community.

I, barely, just starting to use ubuntu, and I have already learn a lot from reading the forums here.

Good luck in spending a lot of $$$ in M$..... I will never go back to that direction again. ;)

[DubbaJ]

Wow, talk about a lack of patience.

You posted your problem less than a day ago, and already you're slamming a community of unpaid users for not offering any help?

Is this what the world has come to? Do it for me now, or else, because I certainly can't search myself.

Sad, really.

I'll never claim to know alot about Ubuntu or Linux, and I know I'm only one case, but all the help I've needed I've been able to find searching these forums or google.

[lepz]

Looks like other people are having similar problems (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=524677&highlight=guitar) :lolflag:

[WebSiteGuru]

Guess what, I just notice on the other 2 posts. They both had the same info, but different subject. Isnt's that considered a SPAM? :-\"

[forestpixie]

I think some people just get the alternate alternate installation download with the turn off search engine firefox bug -

[LowSky]

Every question I have needed answered I have found by suning Google or the Forums search. And even the questions I have asked were fixed. This is why Google became so popular.

When I started using Ubuntu I had no knolege of linux, my wireless didnt work, I couldnt watch DVD's or play mp3.. but with a little determination I got it all to work.. and I haven't even learned any of the terminal commands, all I do is cut and paste what others tell me to do... and 9 times out of 10 what they tell me works. .

You think a wireless problem is bad, try not having the graphical interface boot up.... I thought I was having the Linux version of a blue screen of death. But Lucky for me the wonderfull people here had written pages of helpfull info to get my computer working like a champ again.

Most days I search the forums for info on getting my MS Windows games to work... which is discuraging no matter how hard I try. But none of this stops me from using UBUNTU most of the time. Yes I still have windows XP because I own Itunes DRM protected music (I know i need to stop that...lol) and I still think my games run 100 times better on that platform.Sooner or later Windows wont be need or become less valuble to me. Until then I will duel boot.

[jdrodrig]

If you cannot find the help you need from what is already here, never mind by posting a brand new thread? You deserve to spend the rest of your computing life using XP.

Thanks for *proving* his point, switchcode...

[bodhi.zazen]

Thread moved to Testimonials (not sure if this is the best place, but it is not exactly a request for support and the op has open threads).

[jdrodrig]

My Ubuntu desktop shows my eesid and when I select it, a window open Wireless Network Key Required,
I enter passphrase and click login to network and the little icon begins spinning, then nothing it returns to the begining. and I begin again.
Thanks

Going to the basics, did you try both with ASCII and HEX password format? What type of security your "router" has?

EDIT: I wonder if he/she is ever going back to these forums to read these postings?

[WebSiteGuru]

Going to the basics, did you try both with ASCII and HEX password format? What type of security your "router" has?

EDIT: I wonder if he/she is every going back to these forums to read these postings?

WOW! DEJAVU! Man a blast from the past. :???: But it's all god. :D Just happend to read this and remebered I seen it before in google search. ;)

[dewcansam]

It seems clear to me that unless one understands and post his problem in such a way

This is the first part of your problem. Your orginal post does not truly describe your hardware and problem. You just say that you enter your passphrase and nothing happens. That can happen even in Win and can be any number of things.


I have concluded that one must do things on his or her own and spend months reading and using trial and error and screwing up a computer or two in the process to learn the linux language and methods.
Well after doing the quick search to find posts by "jsk". The orginal post, AVERATEC 5400 LAPTOP wireless issue (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=530704), was only posted 19 hrs ago. That is hardly, months or enough time for anybody to answer the orginal question. Please allow for a bit more time before blaming us as to being narrow-minded and only offering help the more experienced user.


if you are looking for help, keep looking until you become so frustrated that you quit the OS.
I wonder if you quit win after just 19 hrs. Did you give up school if you didn't get something after just 19 hrs? Please try to be a little bit more patient than that. There are SO MANY MORE options than just to give up after trying JUST ONE WAY. Try a different wifi card, try a different computer, try using your wired connection, try waiting for a response, try to figure it out yourself. My very first exerpience with RH linux back in 1998 left me trying to find the 'shell' and spent hours looking for it. I also was left without sound but, i did not give up! And figured it out somehow, now the very thought of looking for the 'shell' leaves me with a laugh. As, i am sure that everyone here has had their share of problems, but windows is NO exception either.


I would make this a class project in the future, just to see if my students experience similar results
Now there is an contridiction in terms for ya. I am not getting help, so i will have a whole buch of people flood the forum with fake crud, so that i can't get help.

That said let's address the orginal (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=530704) issue:


Inital Post was:
I have a:
Averatec 5400 laptop
Dual boot XP/Ubuntu 7.04
Ralink RT2500 wireless mini pci

I cannot connect to wireless network
I wish to send Microsoft to the trashcan but I need Internet before I can do that.
My Ubuntu desktop shows my eesid and when I select it, a window open Wireless Network Key Required,
I enter passphrase and click login to network and the little icon begins spinning, then nothing it returns to the begining. and I begin again.
I am familiar with windows but new to Ubuntu.
Any help would be appreciated
As i said this can be ANY NUMBER OF PROBLEMS from:
- incorrect passphrase. Was your capslock on? Did you forget it? Did you hit a different key by accident?
- Card driver incorrectly loaded / not loaded.
- Card defective
and so on......
try a different wifi card (tells you problem in card)
make sure driver is loaded
try using wired connection (makes sure that network is working)
try turning off WEP / WPA / WPA2 and go unsecured (if possible)

new edit:
quick search for 'RT2500' resulted in this post (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=423928&highlight=RT2500).
in wich 'Aranel' sates that installing Xubuntu instead of unbuntu got his RT2500 working
so DOWNLOAD (http://www.xubuntu.org/get) the latest version of Xubuntu (http://www.xubuntu.org/) and try that
get the cd-image iso here (http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/xubuntu/7.04/release/xubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso)

[Geekkit]

After one of my Students at the college where I work explained to me that he had tried Ubuntu and for a long period he posted here and received no assistance I decided to give it a try, so I purchased the live CD from MadTux and dual booted the OS on my laptop. Everything went well, except for the wireless connection, so I posted here in both the beginners forum and the wireless forum. I read so many postings that my eyes hurt both here and elsewhere. It seems clear to me that unless one understands and post his problem in such a way as to lead the reader into believing he is intimate with the distro and the commands, he will not receive a reply. Only help is offered to the mid level user.
I have posted my wireless question in many forums and on several linux websites and received no response, including this one.
I have concluded that one must do things on his or her own and spend months reading and using trial and error and screwing up a computer or two in the process to learn the linux language and methods.
I am the first to admit that I know nothing about linux, but to look for help being new to linux is laughable.
There is no help for the new person, and the name Ubuntu is not living up to its real meaning, which should be, if you are looking for help, keep looking until you become so frustrated that you quit the OS.
I would make this a class project in the future, just to see if my students experience similar results
but it has been a incredible waste of time. So I'll just end with this,
No wonder Linux is not more used than it is.
Sadly I told the student that I didn't believe he couldn't get at least some help, guess I was wrong.
Back to XP Pro

Inital Post was:
I have a:
Averatec 5400 laptop
Dual boot XP/Ubuntu 7.04
Ralink RT2500 wireless mini pci

I cannot connect to wireless network
I wish to send Microsoft to the trashcan but I need Internet before I can do that.
My Ubuntu desktop shows my eesid and when I select it, a window open Wireless Network Key Required,
I enter passphrase and click login to network and the little icon begins spinning, then nothing it returns to the begining. and I begin again.
I am familiar with windows but new to Ubuntu.
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks

You post two questions and after not even giving it a day (i.e., 24 hours) you're ready to use such a blanket statement as what you've said in your post? Did you not even try Google? I've had some pretty simple problems as well as a few brain scratchers myself (including how to connect to my fairly new Nokia phone's memory card) and have found that a combination of forums and Google searches have lead me to solutions.

If you are in fact a college instructor (which is what you've implied with your statement) then I think you need to look at the example you're setting for your students.

[jdrodrig]

If you are in fact a college instructor (which is what you've implied with your statement) then I think you need to look at the example you're setting for your students.

All these references to his profession are both irrelevant and only hurt the reputation of Linux users as intolerant to criticism.....stop people...

[Old *ix Geek]

JSK, I'm sorry you had such a bad experience, and I really can't explain how/why it happened. I've found nothing but willingness to help both on these and other forums, so I haven't personally seen what you're referring to. I do believe you, I just haven't seen it myself. (There have been questions I've posted and not received any [or any useful] response, but I chalk that up to it being too peculiar an issue for anyone to have experience with themselves. But that happens on any forum, for any OS.)
Everything went well, except for the wireless connection, so I posted here in both the beginners forum and the wireless forum. I read so many postings that my eyes hurt both here and elsewhere.You know what? The same thing happened to me! As my user name implies, I'm an OLD *nix person (since 1985). However, I am NOT an old hand at certain aspects of TODAY's *nix, such as using Samba/windoze partitions/peripherals connected to windoze machines, compositing software (like Compiz and Beryl), using wine to run windoze programs, etc. ALL of that was new to me. I knew NOTHING about connecting a Linux box via wireless networking until April when I bought a new HP laptop--that came equipped with one of those dreaded Broadcom wireless cards. I literally thought I was going to pull my hair out trying to get that to work! But help here (including links to help elsewhere) led me to the solution, and I couldn't be happier with the blazing speed my laptop now connects to the Internet and the network with. Yes, it took a good deal of effort, but that's what happens when manufacturers gear their products to one particular OS...which you're not using.
It seems clear to me that unless one understands and post his problem in such a way as to lead the reader into believing he is intimate with the distro and the commands, he will not receive a reply. Only help is offered to the mid level user.No, I disagree. Some of my questions must have seemed downright idiotic, but I didn't care. As I said, there were--and still are--certain things I have no experience with, which puts me at the beginner level for those issues. And, generally speaking, I've received the help I needed right here on these boards.

What you must keep in mind is that Linux is a complex, sophisticated OS, and as such there has to be a learning curve. Another thing to remember is that *nix users expect other users to do their best to help themselves. This isn't windoze, and we don't like a lot of hand-holding. So you're expected to plunge in and HELP solve your problems.
I have posted my wireless question in many forums and on several linux websites and received no response, including this one. I have concluded that one must do things on his or her own and spend months reading and using trial and error and screwing up a computer or two in the process to learn the linux language and methods.Again, I can't explain why or how your requests for help went unanswered, but that really is the exception to the rule (at least in my experience).
No wonder Linux is not more used than it is.My web site's stats disprove this. Indeed, what I see is a persistent trend of increasing Linux use and decreasing M$ use.
Inital Post was:
I have a:
Averatec 5400 laptop
Dual boot XP/Ubuntu 7.04
Ralink RT2500 wireless mini pciI have to say that I have never heard of either the laptop brand or the wireless card. Maybe no one else has either, and that's why no one could help. :confused:
I cannot connect to wireless network...My Ubuntu desktop shows my eesid and when I select it, a window open Wireless Network Key Required, I enter passphrase and click login to network and the little icon begins spinning, then nothing it returns to the begining. and I begin again.It's been four months and my memory isn't what it used to be, so I really don't remember the specifics of getting my HP laptop's wireless to work. However, I do recall ALL of the issues you just mentioned. When you're entering your passphrase, are you sure you're using the correct encryption? Did you try an alternate passphrase?

[bodhi.zazen]

All these references to his profession are both irrelevant and only hurt the reputation of Linux users as intolerant to criticism.....stop people...

+1

jsk : Learning a new OS can be frustrating at times, we understand. There is nothing "wrong" with dual booting to ease the transition. In fact I would bet that is what most new users do.

As some of the other posters have suggested, how long have you been using Windows ? You need to give yourself time to transition if that is what you want to do. Linux/Uubntu can take weeks to feel comfortable, and years to master, just like any other OS.

In terms of teaching and students, sure let them give it a spin (that is what the live CD is for). Ubuntu works on a wide range of hardware and individual results may vary. Hardware detection is very good and I would bet you will have a number of good results.

If you need help, I can think of no other community more welcoming to new users so post away ...


Everyone : Please keep this thread on topic ...

[ticopelp]

It's amazing how much people take for granted when it comes to free software. I'm discouraged by the original post, because it reeks so much of a sense of entitlement. If your piece of MS software didn't instantly work the way you want it to, would you take it out on the user community and go to another operating system within hours? Doubtful. Mostly because MS doesn't offer free community support, I imagine. Frustration is understandable, but railing against a group of unpaid volunteers is really unbecoming and bad form.

This is a great community, more than willing to help new users -- I should know, I was one, and the help I've gotten from people has been nothing short of invaluable. But patience and maturity is required.

[jdrodrig]

As much as I agree with the general spirit of your post, I think it is equally important for me to point out a couple of things...


If your piece of MS software didn't instantly work the way you want it to, would you take it out on the user community and go to another operating system within hours? Doubtful.

That is irrelevant.....where users come from should not determine how much they can hope to get from ubuntu' i.e. the experience users should expect to get should not be determined by how much other option suck...


Mostly because MS doesn't offer free community support, I imagine. .

There is such thing as Windows Newsgroups. Of course, I have yet to find people there as useful and committed to help others as the regulars here in ubuntu..


But patience and maturity is required.

Totally agree. But the user could perfectly say.."why should I put up with this if my Windows installation is working as we speak, why?".... there is where we must kindly remind such person that the medium and long-run *potential* benefits of putting up with this are great! Then it is up to him/her to balance cost/benefits and take a decision..

[ticopelp]

Fair points, jdrodrig. Thanks.

[mastery82]

You people cannot always post a question on some forum and magically wait for the answer to your problem.Personally when newbie to the linux world i never asked for assistance from anyone .The best pal for solving problems is GOOGLE.So try to find the solution your self instead of asking for it to be given to you in a plate

[ukripper]

For few lot human nature is to moan - whether you have achieved something or not...Please understand this is not Microsoft Support centre who tend to blame that your personal hardware or applications might be having some kind of bugs and can't be MS products.

This is a free community helping you out of will and without any personal benefits.

i feel sorry that it didn't workout for you. if you decide to come back we will be more than happy to help you out at some point.

[faraaz]

@Topic Creator: You are very impatient and you expect Ubuntu to be like Windows.

In Windows, if you have a problem, you call Tech Support and have them solve your problem (more likely just be on hold for an hour)...

As for your complaint about how the community only helps mid-level users...my rebuttal is this: The community can only help you if the community knows WHAT the problem is in the first place.

And yeah, the community can only help those who help themselves. No one owes you anything, but they help because they want others to benefit from their experience.

PS: There's a sub-forum called Tutorials & Tips RIGHT on the front page of the forums. It never occurred to you to have a look there did it? Or in the networking forum where there's a Wireless Sticky RIGHT on top of the page?? Yeah, if you are so damn lazy, no one cares. Go back to Windows...

[mesofly]

Anyhoo... So how about back to the topic at hand :). I think I have the same problem the op has. For me my hardwired ethernet connection works but my wireless doesn't seem to connect. I'm positive my wireless card works since I can see my wireless network, and cause I had 7.04 installed which was working fine.

iwconfig brings this up
lo no wireless extensions.

eth0 no wireless extensions.

eth1 unassociated ESSID:""
Mode:Managed Frequency=2.437 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated
Bit Rate:0 kb/s Tx-Power=20 dBm Sensitivity=8/0
Retry limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
Power Management:off
Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0
Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:261 Rx invalid frag:0
Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0

ifconfig brings this up
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr ##:##:##:##:##
inet addr:192.168.1.100 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:81397 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:43044 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:113176750 (107.9 MB) TX bytes:3406821 (3.2 MB)

eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr ##:##:##:##:##
UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:1205 errors:263 dropped:263 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:345 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:1
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:15145 (14.7 KB)
Interrupt:23 Base address:0x4000 Memory:b0007000-b0007fff

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:5 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:5 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:443 (443.0 b) TX bytes:443 (443.0 b)


Any help would be greatly appreciated :KS !

P.S. I'm hardwired right now so I can post this... and it's a sony vaio laptop s480 if that helps any :)

[rustybronco]

Can you post the output of lspci.

also see kevdogs finest in my signature for some useful commands.
then if help is needed post in the wireless forum (it is off topic in this thread)

[inversekinetix]

----------------------------CONGRAULATIONS!!------------------------------------


this thread got to post 8 before someone felt the need to insult windows!

*note to frustrated new linux users, don't rant, you are not allowed to be frustrated and you are expected to look for answers yourself, not ask on a forum. If you do ask a simple question on a forum and get no reply, don't get mad, get busy searching for answers yourself, do not comment on the fact that you got no help with your frustrating problem, it is a free OS and support is provided by volunteers, if your frustration leads you to comment on the lack of help be prepared for what will happen*

[ukripper]

typical rant

[Grey Box]

if your frustration leads you to comment on the lack of help be prepared for what will happen*
Right on, but at the same time I know how frustrating fixing wifi problems can be. It's gotten a great deal easier now though with better wireless support in Gutsy Gibbon, but some how the hardware manufacturers keep releasing new models of their wifi radios which break with existing drivers, but conspicuously come with drivers in paid-for OS's.

But instead of having a rant about it and complaining, keep searching and working on the problem. It's worth your while and you might end up being a bit of a help to someone yourself one day instead of relying on everyone else to help you.

[mesofly]

@RustyBronco. You are a rockstar!:guitar: haha. That link in your sig fixed it right up. Cept it is a bit annoying that I'd have to command line it every time. If anybody has a fix for the UI that'd be great. But so far I'll take what I can get. Thanks!

[rustybronco]

That link in your sig fixed it right up. Cept it is a bit annoying that I'd have to command line it every time. If anybody has a fix for the UI that'd be great. But so far I'll take what I can get. Thanks!Post in the wireless section that you can connect by the command line, and the output of lspci, you'll get fixed up.

[lespaul_rentals]

whine whine whine complain sob whine whine wahhh cry...So I'll just end with this,
No wonder Linux is not more used than it is.
Sadly I told the student that I didn't believe he couldn't get at least some help, guess I was wrong.
Back to XP Pro

Good, please leave. Seriously, I don't want to sound like a jerk, but this is totally inappropriate. If you expect people to sympathize with you because of your "problems," it isn't going to happen.

The following was a reply to the first thread you posted:


What sort of encryption is your wireless network using?

EDIT: If you are using WPA encryption, it's possible that you are being prompted for a WEP key and WPA may not be properly se tup.

Now, maybe you didn't think to check, but it was posted the day after you asked for help. You didn't even answer the question! wirelessmonkey was trying to help you, but instead of working with him to get your problem fixed, you post a rant complaining about how crappy Linux is.

Guess what, the people here are some of the nicest people you'll find on the Internet. If you have a problem, you can get the help you need here. You think we hang out here and help noobs like you, knowing we'll get money for a good day's work? No way, we do it from the good of our own hearts. Sure, you might have to wait more than 5 minutes to get your answer. You know what makes us mad, though? It's when you post a duplicate thread, and instead of staying in the threads and answering questions for people who are trying to assist you, you complain and cry like a little kid!

Linux cannot be made "easier" for the masses. It is something the user must learn to use. Can it be a pain in the butt sometimes? Well, yes. But part of the Linux lifestyle is not giving up, it's learning how your computer works and how to use it better. It's not like Windows, where it's all automated and you never learn what's under the hood.

So, please, go back to XP, go back to Vista, go back to whatever Windows you think is so much "better." We are happy to help newbies, but when whiny, complaining noobs come along who are unwilling to learn, that's when we get mad!