What is the lamest reason for giving up on Ubuntu/Linux you've ever heard?

[Tomatz]

"they have a stupid mascot"

Tis a bit stupid :(

[inxygnuu]

oh boy...

first, thsi one girl posted the lamest video on youtube about pengeuins, and when I tried to convince him:
Him:Evan, I have a sh*tload of spyware on my compter
Me:then put ubuntu on, completely free, and no spyware
Him:but what about that video, I don't want to be embarrassed by 'pengeebonto'
Me.......(seriously!)........ that last one went on in my mind.

[inxygnuu]

internet explorer rules

OMG! IE?!?!?!? *Shivers* whenever i open IE, it gives me all these messages asking me to buy stuff, and turn things on, and it is slow. "DO YOU WANT TO TURN SUGGESTED SITES ON?" **** NO!!!

[mvalviar]

Me: Try ubuntu its fast and its free etc...
My friend: I can get pirated copies of windows for free. I hate changes.

[Giant Speck]

"I cant find Windows Movie Maker"

That is certainly not a lame reason. In fact, it's very valid.

There is no video editor for Linux out there that is as easy to use as Windows Movie Maker.

[TWO]

That is certainly not a lame reason. In fact, it's very valid.

There is no video editor for Linux out there that is as easy to use as Windows Movie Maker.

Couldn't agree more! That needs to be sorted out, and fast.

[sportscrazed2]

i read on these forums the other day that someone gave up ubuntu because they where addicted to porn

[sci-fi guy]

That is certainly not a lame reason. In fact, it's very valid.

There is no video editor for Linux out there that is as easy to use as Windows Movie Maker.

Hardly any video editors, period. Cinelerra, Kino, and Blender come to mind, but not much else.

Windows Movie Maker sucks, but it is used in at least one good project (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation).

[koffeinöverdos]

i read on these forums the other day that someone gave up ubuntu because they where addicted to porn
what were they so lazy to go get it themselves that they just prefer letting their viruses put it on their desktop for them?

[darth_indy]

what were they so lazy to go get it themselves that they just prefer letting their viruses put it on their desktop for them?
No, more like they didn't have enough self-control, and had to switch back to Windows to use what they considered effective filtering software.

[tandemcrash]

didn't know what linux-swap meant

[krauser530]

things disappear.

(my sister who doesn't understand multiple desktops
likes to spin the mouse wheel absent-mindedly)

[MikeTheC]

Considering the herd mentality amongst so many Windows users, I would expect any excuse.

Remember, we're still talking about the crowd whom, if presented with a software install disc which doesn't have an autorun file on it, will keep inserting it over and over and over and over -- ad nauseum -- and eventually take it back and claim "It's broken".

The unique and special ones are the above-average ones, and they're the ones we want. Leave Microsoft to keep the rest.

[Giant Speck]

Hardly any video editors, period. Cinelerra, Kino, and Blender come to mind, but not much else.

Windows Movie Maker sucks, but it is used in at least one good project (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation).

Well, Windows Movie Maker sucks for hardcore video projects, but not everyone wants to make a hardcore video project. They want to throw a bunch of video clips or photos down and put it to music.

I use WMM for video slideshows, and Pinnacle Studio 11 Plus for more hardcore video editing.

[Kareeser]

Lamest reason to quit Linux?

http://iwarrior.uwaterloo.ca/?module=displaystory&story_id=2508&format=html&edition_id=61

Ironically, I was the one who wrote that article, nearly 2 years ago... if I recall correctly, the reason behind it was the fact that I liked Windows' file arrangement style better ("Dump everything in C:\Progra~1\[program]"), and was deathly afraid of the terminal.

*sigh* How times change.

Edit: Ah yes.... I also thought that having to google everything was a waste of my time. Heh.

[darth_indy]

Lamest reason to quit Linux?

http://iwarrior.uwaterloo.ca/?module=displaystory&story_id=2508&format=html&edition_id=61

Ironically, I was the one who wrote that article, nearly 2 years ago... if I recall correctly, the reason behind it was the fact that I liked Windows' file arrangement style better ("Dump everything in C:\Progra~1\[program]"), and was deathly afraid of the terminal.

*sigh* How times change.

Edit: Ah yes.... I also thought that having to google everything was a waste of my time. Heh.
As a summary for those not link-happy, the gist I got was "It's really cool and all, but I'm afraid of change and I don't want to take the time to learn new stuff. Oh, and the command line is scary. Linux should be JUST like Windows!" (No offense or vitrol meant there, by the way - I commend you for admitting your attachment to the Dark Side!)

Or, in other words, the most common reasons we get. I personally think they're valid reasons in some cases. In your case, I have to say it was just laziness, but you already knew that :-) And besides, you've clearly come around to the Linux side of things.

[darth_indy]

There is no video editor for Linux out there that is as easy to use as Windows Movie Maker.

Try PiTiVi. Just found it over here (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6417049&postcount=1342) and downloaded it. Haven't had too much time to play with it, but it looks pretty close.

OK, that's one myth killed. Who's next?

[kamssada]

hey guys ya'll are making fun and all but it ain't that easy when your so used to the NEXT>NEXT>NEXT>FINISH

i have used it 2 weeks ooooh my!!!!
the reasons why i won't never give it up

# MY GIRL/MOM/SIS SCARED OF IT - THEY STAY AWAY FROM MY COMPUTER
# AMAROK - GRAPHICS/COMPIZ - THE INTERFACE
# ALL THE EDUCATIONAL STUFF - LOVE THE PLANETERIUMS lol
# COMBINED WITH GIMP OOo FFOX ITS SO BEAUTIFUL
# BYE BYE VIRUSES

reasons why i almost gave up

# A PAIN TO SET UP THE WIFI, GRAPHIC CARD, and NETWORK PRINTERS
# HAD TO LEARN COMMAND LINE ALL OVER AGAIN
# EVERYTHING I DO IS JUST A WHOLE NEW ADVENTURE

[stidmatt]

"# A PAIN TO SET UP THE WIFI, GRAPHIC CARD, and NETWORK PRINTERS# A PAIN TO SET UP THE WIFI, GRAPHIC CARD, and NETWORK PRINTERS" ~kamssada.

My Dad knows the Terminal and he set it up. I have wireless on my little Eee PC and now I log in it connects up with the nearest server AUTOMATICALLY and then I have internet at a place I have been before.

I can be away from a place for a year and Ubuntu will probably recognize the network that I want.

I can log in to any network through the little pull down menu and if it is not password protected and I click on it, ZOOM, I have internet.

One myth busted.

[darth_indy]

He was probably speaking from personal experience - I've had issues with network cards and printers, and I've searched for and used the workarounds if available, but hey - I don't even have the $10-$20 to spare to get a proper network card (college student + minimum wage + just getting laid off = money? What is this money of which you speak?), so I had to work with what I had. About 85% of the time it works perfectly, or with a couple quirks I can live with, but when it doesn't, it really is a pain, especially when most of that troublesome 15% was in the first computer I installed Ubuntu on. Believe me, if I wasn't stubborn and bored, I would have given up because of this excuse long ago.

[Robbies]

I wish AIM would make a decent version of AIM for Linux. The one they have is just... pitiful. Same goes for Yahoo messenger... it doesn't even have webcam support. But I've been using Kopete instead and took care of that problem.


GYachE is not too bad either

[Giant Speck]

GYachE is not too bad either

GYachE is very nice. However, it's a bit... messy looking.

[PhoenixMaster00]

My favourites are:

"Why do you want to be different"
"Why dont you just use the same as everyone else"
"Microsoft always does it better"
"Stop being such a cheap ***"

Microsoft have warped there users well.

[kiddo]

Try PiTiVi. Just found it over here (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6417049&postcount=1342) and downloaded it. Haven't had too much time to play with it, but it looks pretty close.

OK, that's one myth killed. Who's next?

DarthIndy, you should try things before speaking about them. PiTiVi, in its current state, is nowhere near ready for anything other than putting clips one after another and rendering. I say this as being one of the first few to have been interested in it; I watched PiTiVi grow since 2004.

Now, don't get me wrong. I love the project, think it's the future, but it just lacks manpower. Speaking of that, 2 devs were hired by Collabora to work exclusively on PiTiVi, so let's see if it becomes something useful by april 2009. Things are looking better for the future, but at the moment, it still isn't ready. Kino is a joke (accepts only DV videos, and has a restrictive user interface), cinelerra is butt-ugly and crash-prone (that is, if you managed to get it to compile/run in the first place), blender is not easy to understand and not very format-compatible, kdenlive well... dunno, we'll have to see.

Disclaimer: I've done a fair share of short* films back when I had time (and a crew) on my hands. I evaluated various programs in the windows world, and nothing came close to Vegas. Premiere sucked, hard. But the linux landscape is much, much worse. Hopefully, maybe in ten years it will look good :(

* between 5 and 25 minutes in length

[halovivek]

no yahoo messenger with webcam support.

[darth_indy]

DarthIndy, you should try things before speaking about them. PiTiVi, in its current state, is nowhere near ready for anything other than putting clips one after another and rendering. I say this as being one of the first few to have been interested in it; I watched PiTiVi grow since 2004.


Sorry - like I said, I hadn't yet tried it. I just had a couple minutes to browse the forums, not to test anything, thought it would be a useful tidbit just in case someone could find a use for it. Please don't shoot the messenger :)

I'll be trying it pretty soon, and for all I know, it may very well be a hunk of junk, but then again I don't do any professional or semi-professional stuff. But I will report back either way.

[kiddo]

Sorry - like I said, I hadn't yet tried it. I just had a couple minutes to browse the forums, not to test anything, thought it would be a useful tidbit just in case someone could find a use for it. Please don't shoot the messenger :)

I'll be trying it pretty soon, and for all I know, it may very well be a hunk of junk, but then again I don't do any professional or semi-professional stuff. But I will report back either way.

Actually, it's getting better all the time, and more people are joining the project, so it might end up useful in a few months. I'm just not expecting something on par with, say, Vegas Video.

But yeah, my comment was just trying to say that you pointing people to apps in a niche and complex market such as video editors, without trying said app, might be a disservice ;)

[GepettoBR]

Actually, it's getting better all the time, and more people are joining the project, so it might end up useful in a few months. I'm just not expecting something on par with, say, Vegas Video.

But yeah, my comment was just trying to say that you pointing people to apps in a niche and complex market such as video editors, without trying said app, might be a disservice ;)

And this particular niche was my one great disappointment when migrating to Ubuntu from Windows XP. Hope is the last one to die, though...

[pinged]

Look at this:

8. Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"?

BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone.

Your son may try to install "lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional.

If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface.

Don't know if it's been posted (havent read whole thread)

More at: http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[Tomatz]

Look at this:

Don't know if it's been posted (havent read whole thread)

More at: http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

Seen that before XD

Always makes me laugh! I think its a hoax though.

[joshmuffin]

Him: WOW THAT'S MAD!! What's it called?
Me: Ubuntu, Don't try it your to n00b

:P I always tease this kid at my school, He says he's a hacker and he scripts DOS.


A week later:

Him: Ubuntu is s***
Me: Why?
Him: Heaps of reasons.
Me: Like?
Him: A) you can't browse the web.
Me: Yes you can.
Him:No, There's not internet explorer.
Me: Firefox?
Him: I hate it!
Me: Well there are plenty of alternatives but what are your other reasons?
Him: No run button or movie maker, Its not DOS compatible and It's ugly!
Him: The list goes on.
Me: Wow your right, Ubuntu is horrible, I better go uninstall, toodle-oo.

[Tomatz]

Him: WOW THAT'S MAD!! What's it called?
Me: Ubuntu, Don't try it your to n00b

:P I always tease this kid at my school, He says he's a hacker and he scripts DOS.


A week later:

Him: Ubuntu is s***
Me: Why?
Him: Heaps of reasons.
Me: Like?
Him: A) you can't browse the web.
Me: Yes you can.
Him:No, There's not internet explorer.
Me: Firefox?
Him: I hate it!
Me: Well there are plenty of alternatives but what are your other reasons?
Him: No run button or movie maker, Its not DOS compatible and It's ugly!
Him: The list goes on.
Me: Wow your right, Ubuntu is horrible, I better go uninstall, toodle-oo.

LOL hacker!!! Tell him that running netbus doesn't make you a hacker ;) Infact most fools that run apps like that inadvertently compromise their own security.

[tiyowan]

"Where's IE? Our customers are comfortable with using IE." - net cafe admin.

!@#$

Rhetorical question: How hard can it be to switch to firefox?

[Tomatz]

"Where's IE? Our customers are comfortable with using IE." - net cafe admin.

!@#$

Rhetorical question: How hard can it be to switch to firefox?

Its the huge jump from using "favorites" to "bookmarks" that gets them ;) Oh and they don't get "all those nice popups"!

[3rdalbum]

i read on these forums the other day that someone gave up ubuntu because they where addicted to porn

I find Ubuntu and Ubuntu Netbook Remix to be perfectly suitable for porn.

[GepettoBR]

I find Ubuntu and Ubuntu Netbook Remix to be perfectly suitable for porn.

That was the guy's problem. It was too easy to get porn online with Ubuntu because of the lack of malware, so it was harder for him to get rid of his addiction.

I call troll, but you never know...

[Tomatz]

Maybe we should ask canonical to set up an xxx repo?

:lolflag:

[kiddo]

Maybe we should ask canonical to set up an xxx repo?

Already done (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_calendar), but discontinued since Ubuntu 8.04. I saved them for posterity and your convenience on my personal Ubuntu wallpaper archive (http://ubuntu.ecchi.ca/wallpapers/).

[Frak]

I couldn't install Microsoft Office, nor could I start my Verizon CD. I'm so mad at Dell, to the point where I had to drop two semesters of college.

[Giant Speck]

I couldn't install Microsoft Office, nor could I start my Verizon CD. I'm so mad at Dell, to the point where I had to drop two semesters of college.

You should alert the local media! They'll help you!

[Frak]

You should alert the local media! They'll help you!
I hear Verizon will give me free tech support!

[svivian]

The web browser reason is one of the lamest. When I updraded IE6 to IE7 on the family PC (Windows, unfortunately...) my dad didn't really notice or care, to my knowledge, despite IE7 being completely different to IE6.

But when I put Firefox on there, he didn't like it. :confused: Only at first though - he's used to it now. Not that there was anything different...

So I guess the moral is - if you convince your family/friends to try some open source software or OS - try and get them to stick with it!!

[Cybie257]

I thought I'd share some EEE PC Pros and Cons that I feel are perfect for this topic. (These are from the Linux Version Reviews from NewEgg)

Pros: I believe it is a great product for everyday web surfing.

Cons: It doesn't run a Windows OS. This could be a problem with regular file transfers in a LAN - say MS Word, Excel, etc.

------------------------------

Pros: Small. Shock resist HDD. As sexy as other Eee PCs. Support both Linux and XP. Got some fun games in Linux too. The recovery system runs efficiently.

Cons: 1G of RAM is a bit not enough. Linux is tricky for me, so I got it installed into XP. (As it's said in the manuel, you need to delete ALL patitions in order to do that. But don't worry, it'll be back to what it was after you run the recovery DVD)

Other Thoughts: Don't buy it if you are not familiar with Linux (like me). The "c" drive is less than 10G, the other HD is 30G, but you cannot install windows ON it. You can only use it to store data, as a secondary hard drive.

MY THOUGHTS: 1GB RAM not enough for Linux??? Heck, it runs great with 512MB. lol. And, how can a person Ever become familiar with Linux without using it. It's like reading a comic book.. :)

---------------------------------------------------

Just had to share these. Happy Linux'ng Everyone! :guitar:

-Cybie

[Cybie257]

The web browser reason is one of the lamest. When I updraded IE6 to IE7 on the family PC (Windows, unfortunately...) my dad didn't really notice or care, to my knowledge, despite IE7 being completely different to IE6.

But when I put Firefox on there, he didn't like it. :confused: Only at first though - he's used to it now. Not that there was anything different...

So I guess the moral is - if you convince your family/friends to try some open source software or OS - try and get them to stick with it!!


I Help a lot on Computer Illiterate people set up their computers. Those who think IE "IS the Web", I bang my head on the wall. Then, I install Firefox (which they all seem to call fox-fire for some odd reason, LOL), and they ask, "Is Fox-Fire Internet the same as the 'E'?" I reply, "No, it's not the same. It's better and just works."

Then, there's the one's that call me when they have a problem. "The Internet keeps giving me an error."
I ask, "What browser are you using?",
Reply, "The Internet. The one I use all the time."
I say "The Blue 'E'?" and get the yes reply and say, "I'll be over soon."

Anyone who fails to try new things gets stuck with the same old broken things. After I install FireFox, the first reaction is, "Is that the same Internet as the other one?". UGH. I try to give my best lamen terms possible, show them how to use firefox and leave. About 2-3 weeks later, I always hear the following:

"I sure do like that Fox-Fire better than the Internet I used to use".

Gotta love'em. The moral... Try something new and you might just be surprised. This in reply to convincing others to try OpenSource.

:KS -Cybie

[mdewet]

Solitaire

[uberdonkey5]

Solitaire

lol
Can't you get a linux version though??

Lamest reason is probably also the most common reason... "everyone else uses windows and its what I'm used to"

Funny, but having a windows computer at work and having a linux computer at home I am really getting to realise just how frustrating windows can be. Its not that windows is THAT bad now (not like in the windows 98 days), but still, occasionally I have temperamental problems, or messages and useless things I don't want. Spent this morning sorting out the printer connection that worked perfectly before, and had to reinstall the driver. Nice to get definate confirmation from my own experience that linux is more stable (at least on my system).

Also, I often forget that windows doesn't show CDs, pendrives etc and I have to go into MyComputer to see them. Menu structure of ubuntu (gnome) alone is worth changing for.

[Chame_Wizard]

If you try it for 1 week and realize it's not the same as Winblows

If M$ and the herd say that Win7 is a Linux killer.

[meindian523]

Solitaire

lol
Can't you get a linux version though??

<snip>.
Tell him to look in Applications>>Games>>AisleRiot Solitaire.He'll never ask for solitaire again,though that is also included.I'm currently addicted to Thieves.:)

[DeadRobot]

No MS Word.

[darth_indy]

<snip>Then, I install Firefox (which they all seem to call fox-fire for some odd reason, LOL)<snip>

Random Fact of the Day: There is a series of books called Foxfire, about living out in the boondocks and things like making leather and soap. The OLD way. They started publishing them in '72, and I think another came out in this century, 10 or 12 in all. Knowing the technical competence of the people I work with, and knowing some of them read those books, I wouldn't be surprised if your clientèle (family?) read them too and get the names mixed up - my dad used to read them and still mixes it up.

(too lazy/not bored enough to read the whole Wikipedia article)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxfire_books

[LuisAugusto]

Solitaire. And there aren't any true worthy alternatives to be fair with my dad (though KPatience is getting close)

[dnRoyston]

I don't think anything beats the girl who dropped out of college.
Link (http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9682258&nav=menu1362_2)

[S0m3th1ngw13rd]

"Linux isn't worth the money" saw this on a comment posted on a youtube video. lol

[LuisAugusto]

"linux isn't woth the money" saw this on a comment posted on a youtube video. Lol

lol!

[adzik]

"Fags use linux"

Me: "So I'm a ***?"

"Well...you know what I mean"


(no, I really don't - stopped associating with this doorknob anyway)

[OboeNerd]

"Ahahaha, you Linux users. My vista looks better!"
"But it doesn't work."
"So? It looks good!"

I have this conversation every week or so. It still makes me laugh.

[Matthewthegreat]

"Ahahaha, you Linux users. My vista looks better!"
"But it doesn't work."
"So? It looks good!"

I have this conversation every week or so. It still makes me laugh.

LOL! Vista looks better :lolflag:

Has he seen compiz fusion?

[LuisAugusto]

LOL! Vista looks better :lolflag:

Has he seen compiz fusion?

You mean that... almost dead project nobody wants to keep developing XD

And BTW, Look, go far beyond wobbly windows. Linux in fact can look amazing (KDE 4.x with Oxygen and Bespin) (GNOME with Dust), either way he's wrong.


"Ahahaha, you Linux users. My vista looks better!"
"But it doesn't work."
"So? It looks good!"

I have this conversation every week or so. It still makes me laugh.


And Vista does work, so both of you are just flaming each other XD.

[meindian523]

You are mistaken.It's Beryl,that's dead.C-F,AFAIK is still being actively developed.

[Sprut1]

"Linux isn't worth the money" saw this on a comment posted on a youtube video. lol

The comment at least is priceless :)

[LuisAugusto]

You are mistaken.It's Beryl,that's dead.C-F,AFAIK is still being actively developed.

No, Beryl merged with CF. And CF is dying. I quote myself

Links to the discussion:

http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/compiz/2008-December/003236.html

http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/compiz/2008-December/003238.html

Very sad news. Seems like KDE devs did the right thing when they decided to improve KWIN instead of relying on Compiz.

Now, lets quote a developer:

To finish, let me end with a quote from an Linux user that really sums
up our situation quite clearly:

"Dramatically ugly, unusable, slow, badly animated and unconsistent.
Open source development without a serious, expert mantainers can
result in chaotic grouth of the project and waste of human resources
into pointless code. The Compiz-Fusion project is certainly the most
representative example of all this"

[zerothis]

I've worked on computers for churches and pastors have some real bizarre things to say. Comments in parentheses are what I didn't say when I held my tongue.

Apple is open source.
(pluh?)

[A pastor wanted all the leaders to email reports in Word or Powerpoint format] Everyone has Powerpoint and Office, it comes with new computers.
(Should the fixed income and homeless leaders your church buy new computers?)

It needs to reboot to Windows or Ubuntu when I need one or the other without my having to select it.
(Sorry, *I* can't arrange for G-d to answer all your computer usages prayers you'll have to do that yourself)[double meaning intended]

I don't want to reboot.
(****!) [Turns out he wanted me to come over whenever a reboot was needed or occurred spontaneously, 24/7. So *he* wasn't gonna purposefully reboot anyway]

I'll buy Linux if it costs more
(Some of your members told me they'd tithe if you weren't the pastor)

I need to protect my flock
(From virus free reliable computing?)

I want it to work without my knowing anything about it
(So you don't want to know that one of your members is currently running a porn site on your server?)

Just use my CD-Rs of Windows and Office [Some variation of this is by far the most common excuse]
(Neither shall thieves inherit the kingdom of G-d)

Bill Gates is in charge of computers. G-d chooses leaders, so G-d wants me to use Windows.
(G-d hasn't put *you* in charge of *Your* computer?)

The church should always choose the easiest option.
(So Jesus followers building an illegal church under Nero after He was scourged, had his beard torn out, had thorns jammed into his brain, and was nailed to a cross, was easiest option?)

No one buys it, it must not be good.
(The cross really *has* made a fool out of you)

[meindian523]

LuisAugusto

Nothing in those mails told me that C-F is not being developed anymore,or that it's on the way there.What they told me was they have some organisational problems to sort out.

[Tomatz]

To finish, let me end with a quote from an Linux user that really sums
up our situation quite clearly:

"Dramatically ugly, unusable, slow, badly animated and unconsistent.
Open source development without a serious, expert mantainers can
result in chaotic grouth of the project and waste of human resources
into pointless code. The Compiz-Fusion project is certainly the most
representative example of all this

Very sad news. Seems like KDE devs did the right thing when they decided to improve KWIN instead of relying on Compiz.


And kwin is more stable... Yeah ok (note sarcasm) ;)

Kwin is crud!

I find compiz very stable and i use the git version. I think that statement is complete trash! As for compiz being dead, that's trash too. Even if its core developers died in a plane crash, there is so much interest in compiz that others would continue the project.

antifud!

;)

[LuisAugusto]

And kwin is more stable... Yeah ok (note sarcasm) ;)


Kwin is crud!

Yes, it is, and it has good WM features aside of Composite, and it supports XRender, which Compiz doesn't, and you don't need 2 WM to cover the needs of users since it can run without Composite.


I find compiz very stable and i use the git version. I think that statement is complete trash! As for compiz being dead, that's trash too. Even if its core developers died in a plane crash, there is so much interest in compiz that others would continue the project.

antifud!

;)

Yeah sure, I mean, they have (as today) 2 real developers and just 4 users that more or less help. Even the developer has commented here (as in Ubuntuforums) that Compiz is dying.

Not to mention, that the dev himself said that Compiz is pointless code XD.

Compiz was never meant to be the future, that's why Kwin Composite exists, as well as Metacity (this one is less mature).

[Tomatz]

This:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1046437

Ohh i cant install libdvdcss2 because i am too lazy :cry:

:mad:

[Shippou]

"Yucky interface."

[Tomatz]

Yes, it is, and it has good WM features aside of Composite, and it supports XRender, which Compiz doesn't, and you don't need 2 WM to cover the needs of users since it can run without Composite.

Kwin is buggy cumbersome and if you wasn't to go down the functionality of window management route, a clone of compiz-fusion. No more or less useful (buggyness aside). Although its good it supports xrender.


Yeah sure, I mean, they have (as today) 2 real developers and just 4 users that more or less help. Even the developer has commented here (as in Ubuntuforums) that Compiz is dying.

Compiz has just under 20 (official) devs...

Not to mention, that the dev himself said that Compiz is pointless code XD.

Well that's all user perception. Someone using wmii may think metacity is pointless when most functions can be done with the keyboard. ;)

Compiz was never meant to be the future, that's why Kwin Composite exists.

Well if kde4 is the future, Linux is dead :P

[Envergure]

"I keep clicking 'shut down' instead of closing the window!"
Learn to use a mouse dude.

[Namtabmai]

This:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1046437

Ohh i cant install libdvdcss2 because i am too lazy :cry:

:mad:

I want it as window like as possible. I would really like to get rid of vista.


That's not a lame reasons for giving up Linux, that's a lame reason for trying Linux.

[LuisAugusto]

Kwin is buggy cumbersome and if you wasn't to go down the functionality of window management route, a clone of compiz-fusion. No more or less useful (buggyness aside). Although its good it supports xrender.

No more, or less useful? What are you talking about, Compiz can't do half of what Kwin can... It isn't buggy, it has never crash here (since KDE 4.1). And... a Compiz Fusion clone? First, Kwin is a hell lot older than Compiz and supported Composite extensions (trough XRender) before Compiz was even on the horizon.

Compiz has just under 20 (official) devs...

Source, I quoted developers (main) talking about their current situation, you pulled out that from your ***.

Well that's all user perception. Someone using wmii may think metacity is pointless when most functions can be done with the keyboard. ;)

The developer opinion about the project is a user perception, suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.

Well if kde4 is the future, Linux is dead :P

You're a disgusting little troll, I said Compiz wasn't the future, but Compiz isn't Linux. It's just a ******* WM, like a thousand out there, it isn't the future of WMs, the future is on Kwin and Metacity (even XFCE has his own composite extensions).

Plus, my personal opinion is that KDE 4.x is, in fact, the future of the Linux desktop. Nothing against GNOME, it's just a personal opinion (based on a lot, but since this isn't the issue here I won't expose them).

[darth_indy]

Source, I quoted developers (main) talking about their current situation, you pulled out that from your ***.

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You're a disgusting little troll, I said Compiz wasn't the future, but Compiz isn't Linux. It's just a ******* WM, like a thousand out there, it isn't the future of WMs, the future is on Kwin and Metacity (even XFCE has his own composite extensions).

OK, OK, could we please keep the vitrol to a minimum here? He's no troll, he's expressing his opinions, just like you're expressing yours. If you love KDE and Kwin, fine, OK, we get it. Personally , I love Compiz and it works perfectly for me, while KDE4 and 4.1 have done nothing but crash for me.

Plus, my personal opinion is that KDE 4.x is, in fact, the future of the Linux desktop. Nothing against GNOME, it's just a personal opinion (based on a lot, but since this isn't the issue here I won't expose them).

And KDE/Kwin vs. Gnome/Compiz is not the issue here either. Please take the attacks elsewhere. I'm not a moderator, but I'm a person that comes to this thread for funny quotes about people close-minded toward Linux. It's attacks like yours that cause some to hate Linux and its community. While I understand the fervor, there's a line between defending and attacking.

[Giant Speck]

To LuisAugusto:

http://www.geocities.com/vibestothemax/chill_pill.jpg

Take one before posting. Thanks!

[Tomatz]

No more, or less useful? What are you talking about, Compiz can't do half of what Kwin can... It isn't buggy, it has never crash here (since KDE 4.1)(what planet are you from??????). And... a Compiz Fusion clone? First, Kwin is a hell lot older than Compiz and supported Composite extensions (trough XRender) before Compiz was even on the horizon.



Source, I quoted developers (main) talking about their current situation, you pulled out that from your ***.



The developer opinion about the project is a user perception, suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.



You're a disgusting little troll, I said Compiz wasn't the future, but Compiz isn't Linux. It's just a ******* WM, like a thousand out there, it isn't the future of WMs, the future is on Kwin and Metacity (even XFCE has his own composite extensions).

Plus, my personal opinion is that KDE 4.x is, in fact, the future of the Linux desktop. Nothing against GNOME, it's just a personal opinion (based on a lot, but since this isn't the issue here I won't expose them).

If i am a troll, you are [SNIP], you cant even have a civil debate. Kde4 isnt even ready for beta yet IMO.

Unsubscribed!

[Chame_Wizard]

"you have to use CLI".

[GepettoBR]

Tomatz and LuisAugusto, please take your fighting elsewhere. This is completely off-topic.

[Tomatz]

Tomatz and LuisAugusto, please take your fighting elsewhere. This is completely off-topic.

Sorry, I shouldn't have responded.

Post edited ;)

[darth_indy]

I'm sorry, I have a bad habit of not letting things go. Tomatz, thou art vindicated!!!

Another open source project that underwent a big change was KDE with version 4.0. They released a lot of fundamental architectural changes with 4.0 and it received some negative reviews. As a KDE user how has this impacted you?

I used to be a KDE user. I thought KDE 4.0 was such a disaster I switched to GNOME. I hate the fact that my right button doesn't do what I want it to do. But the whole "break everything" model is painful for users and they can choose to use something else.

I realise the reason for the 4.0 release, but I think they did it badly. They did so may changes it was a half-baked release. It may turn out to be the right decision in the end and I will re-try KDE, but I suspect I'm not the only person they lost.

I got the update through Fedora and there was a mismatch from KDE 3 to KDE 4.0. The desktop was not as functional and it was just a bad experience for me. I'll revisit it when I reinstall the next machine which tends to be every six to eight months.

The GNOME people are talking about doing major surgery so it could also go the other way.

Of course, like he said, it could change, and he would go back when they fix what's borked. But there's no need to defend something just because you always have.

If I've become trollbait (or a troll) for this, my apologies.

And now back on topic: Another lame reason for giving up on Linux - And one that was quickly corrected. No funny quote, but the basic gist was that my dad didn't want to find alternatives to OpenOffice, Firefox, and Skype (all three I installed on Windows for him). When I stopped laughing, I explained that the first two were built in, and Skype is a very easy install. He's happily using Linux now!

[LuisAugusto]

I'm sorry, I have a bad habit of not letting things go. Tomatz, thou art vindicated!!!



Of course, like he said, it could change, and he would go back when they fix what's borked. But there's no need to defend something just because you always have.

If I've become trollbait (or a troll) for this, my apologies.

And now back on topic: Another lame reason for giving up on Linux - And one that was quickly corrected. No funny quote, but the basic gist was that my dad didn't want to find alternatives to OpenOffice, Firefox, and Skype (all three I installed on Windows for him). When I stopped laughing, I explained that the first two were built in, and Skype is a very easy install. He's happily using Linux now!

Are you aware that he only tried KDE 4.0, which is quite an irrelevant experience today, the rest of the interview was a hell lot more interesting, I like him, specially because he isn't a closed "open" source developer, he doesn't mind Closed source, he just thinks that Open Source is a better development scheme for most things (and he don't give a damn about "Software Libre XD")

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And... indeed, your father case was quite funny XD

[Cope57]

What is the lamest reason for giving up on Ubuntu/Linux you've ever heard?
It doesn't run FruityLoops...

So, I showed him RoseGarden, and Ardour.

He now runs Ubuntu, and is currently distribution hopping...

[HuaiDan]

Who says Compiz is dead? It was one reason I tried Ubuntu in the first place (lame I know). It runs flawlessly on everything from this generic POS laptop I'm using now to my dream machine at home. It's buggy only if you don't know how to install your Open GL drivers, and awkward to set up if you're a total n00b (ain't nuthin' wrong with that).

Here's hoping Compiz continues to develop more eye candy.


Back to thread:

"Installing a printer is supposed to be a pain in the ***!" (said comment was the impetus for me going out and buying a wireless network HP printer and setting it up in minutes using HPlip.)

[LuisAugusto]

Who says Compiz is dead? It was one reason I tried Ubuntu in the first place (lame I know). It runs flawlessly on everything from this generic POS laptop I'm using now to my dream machine at home. It's buggy only if you don't know how to install your Open GL drivers, and awkward to set up if you're a total n00b (ain't nuthin' wrong with that).

Compiz developers.

Here's hoping Compiz continues to develop more eye candy.

Me too.

[dmizer]

http://www.geocities.com/vibestothemax/chill_pill.jpg

Take one before posting. Thanks!

I'll fill the prescription. Thread closed.