What is the lamest reason for giving up on Ubuntu/Linux you've ever heard?

[buu700]

I'm just brainstorming out loud

http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/13144/

[darth_indy]

*embarassed grin* I forgot about Brainstorm. I signed up ages ago, but it lost priority in my "Check Daily" list. Thanks!

[meindian523]

His post was quite clear to me... he meant what he said: that if new users were greeted with a little welcome file that explained how to use sudo and gksudo, many people (like his father) wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Ubuntu.
Well,that's just a repetition of the idea of a tutorial then.Probably wasn't in the right frame of mind that day.....:lolflag:

[k33bz]

Well, personally I have heard alot of different excuses. And I will not push the issue. If it is a valid excuse, I help them find alternatives and have them test it out. Kind of like test driving a new car. If it is a lame excuse, then I leave them alone. Why waste your time, they are stuck on windoze. I hate to say it, cause to me Linux, any distro, is better than Windoze. For everything, except maybe gaming.

I read in one of the post that it isnt a Professional working desktop, Have you looked around, there are plenty of apps that are professionally used.

People end up using Linux almost everyday, with out even knowing it.

Most cell phones, are running some sort of Linux distro, or at least unix. Most servers people connect through, is a Linux server. Most of your bar stool games, you know those ones you put maybe a dollar in, and play a game by touching the screen. That is running Linux. Alot of Professional security admins, photographers, medical, music, drafting, and alot others use Linux.

[Frak]

Most cell phones, are running some sort of Linux distro, or at least unix. Most servers people connect through, is a Linux server. Most of your bar stool games, you know those ones you put maybe a dollar in, and play a game by touching the screen. That is running Linux. Alot of Professional security admins, photographers, medical, music, drafting, and alot others use Linux.

Cell phones, sort of. More and more are turning to Windows and OS X based mobile platforms. All the bar stool games I've seen are all Windows. Finally, for the professions, most of them use Windows, even the security admin. What you are thinking is clusters. Macro-Linux clusters are lighter than NT based clusters and generally perform better, not to mention cost a lot less.

[jimi_hendrix]

i saw in the you know your a stupid computer users when... thread a link to a blog...the guy blogging thought linux was hacker software and broke your hardrive

[Guyon]

"It has too many bugs" (Note that this kid is running a machine he got at a yard sale, and it SUCKS.)

"Firefox is expensive"

[GepettoBR]

Mozilla Firefox (tm) is expensive? It does have a restrictive EULA and it isn't stricto sensu Free software, but it is freeware...

[klange]

Mozilla Firefox (tm) is expensive? It does have a restrictive EULA and it isn't stricto sensu Free software, but it is freeware...

Tsk, tsk, another person who completely misunderstood the purpose of the new FF3 EULA. It's for the name and associated artwork for Firefox. Ie, the Firefox logo and just the name "Firefox" itself. Everything below the branding is completely open-source.

[GepettoBR]

Be that as it may, it limits repackaging and redistribution rights, therefore it isn't stricto sensu Free Software.

Tsk, tsk, another person who has no idea what he's talking about.

[sci-fi guy]

Be that as it may, it limits repackaging and redistribution rights, therefore it isn't stricto sensu Free Software.

Tsk, tsk, another person who has no idea what he's talking about.

Is Iceweasel a package in Ubuntu? It wasn't last time I checked.

[GepettoBR]

$ sudo apt-cache search iceweasel
gcu-plugin - GNOME chemistry utils (browser plugin)
iceweasel-scrapbook - dummy transitional package for ScrapBook
mozilla-bookmarksftp - Iceweasel/Firefox extension to synchronize bookmarks
mozilla-ctxextensions - Context Menu Extensions for Iceweasel
mozilla-openthesaurus-de - OpenThesaurus search plugin for Iceweasel/Iceape
rhkbf - Russian hot keys bugfix for iceweasel
torbutton-extension - iceweasel/firefox/icedove/thunderbird 1-click Tor extension
wysihtml-el - Almost real-time previewing system for HTML and DocBook
flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
openoffice.org - OpenOffice.org Office suite
Funny, it's mentioned in other packages but it isn't there for itself. I have all the official repositories enabled.

[Rorke]

I needed to do some work!
My lawyer keeps sending me .docx and my tutor wants me to view embedded video via a proprietary Teleconference software client.

I needed to play a network game...
Medieval Total War 2

My Girlfriend can't figure out how to use it...

I've sorted most of these now, but I still dual boot.

[gjoellee]

I showed it to a buddy on hes computer with a live CD. He said is was slow, and I said: "Well ofcourse! You are booting a whole operating system from a freakin' CD!". He just said it anyways!

[Peter Frank]

Why did you install a second OS? It consumes resources and slows down your computer!

[denitroid]

Its pathetic when someone gives up on it cause it doesn't have certain applications if you want those apps just dual-boot! simple as :P

[GepettoBR]

Why did you install a second OS? It consumes resources and slows down your computer!

Its pathetic when someone gives up on it cause it doesn't have certain applications if you want those apps just dual-boot! simple as :P

Seconded. I am currently triple-booting Windows XP, Ubuntu and Gentoo. But Gentoo is actually just a safety net, since Windows loves to break itself and I love to break Ubuntu.

[Frak]

Be that as it may, it limits repackaging and redistribution rights, therefore it isn't stricto sensu Free Software.

Tsk, tsk, another person who has no idea what he's talking about.
tsk, tsk, you can compile without the official_branding flag and it's freely distributable.

[GepettoBR]

tsk, tsk, you can compile without the official_branding flag and it's freely distributable.

Of course, look at Ghostfox and Iceweasel. But it still limits rights. If I want to make my own version and brand it Firefox Gepetto Edition, and use the same logo as the original but with a small change (say, replace the little globe with a single-trace heptagram like m avatar) I can't.

[markp1989]

i have heard my mum say "its free and legal, sounds suspicious to me, are you sure you aloud to download this"

[Frak]

Of course, look at Ghostfox and Iceweasel. But it still limits rights. If I want to make my own version and brand it Firefox Gepetto Edition, and use the same logo as the original but with a small change (say, replace the little globe with a single-trace heptagram like m avatar) I can't.

I have a right to my art, but I will not limit your creativity.

F/OSS refers to the software in and of itself, not the satellite improvements added to it. If I create a bag lined with Silver, I own the silver, but I'll teach you how to make the bag, so therefore you can improve upon the design, but the silver is still mine.

[RiceMonster]

I needed to do some work!
My lawyer keeps sending me .docx and my tutor wants me to view embedded video via a proprietary Teleconference software client.

That's really not a "lame" reason at all.

[GepettoBR]

I have a right to my art, but I will not limit your creativity.

F/OSS refers to the software in and of itself, not the satellite improvements added to it. If I create a bag lined with Silver, I own the silver, but I'll teach you how to make the bag, so therefore you can improve upon the design, but the silver is still mine.

Of course, that makes perfect sense. But why is it a problem for Firefox Gepetto Edition to exist? Firefox's trademark policy is very strict. Plus, when I made the original post, they still hadn't rewritten the EULA. It also had a lot of poorly-written clauses about our right to use the "services", aka the security features and whatnot. I'm not against upholding trademarks, but killing a mosquito with a cannon is a little bit of an exaggeration.

I haven't been on topic for a few posts, so here's a new one I heard last week:

Co-worker: "WINE won't let me use my crack on Photoshop CS2. It worked on Windows XP."
Me: Well, it's a crack. It shouldn't work anywhere."
Co-worker: "I thought the point of this "Linix" was getting stuff for free!"
Me: *facepalm*

[Frak]

Of course, that makes perfect sense. But why is it a problem for Firefox Gepetto Edition to exist? Firefox's trademark policy is very strict. Plus, when I made the original post, they still hadn't rewritten the EULA. It also had a lot of poorly-written clauses about our right to use the "services", aka the security features and whatnot. I'm not against upholding trademarks, but killing a mosquito with a cannon is a little bit of an exaggeration.

I haven't been on topic for a few posts, so here's a new one I heard last week:

Co-worker: "WINE won't let me use my crack on Photoshop CS2. It worked on Windows XP."
Me: Well, it's a crack. It shouldn't work anywhere."
Co-worker: "I thought the point of this "Linix" was getting stuff for free!"
Me: *facepalm*
I guess you could then attribute the same to Id.

Id has since released the source code to the Quake franchise to the community. What people found out quick was that it wasn't "Free Quake". Now, you were able to make a quake derivative, but that still wasn't the official Quake. Id kept their investment by making the models, maps, and artwork proprietary to them, as IP, but letting the community use the engine free.

That is what is preached in commercial GPL.

[GepettoBR]

Fine, I'll drop this point. It seems like I'm having the same conversation fifty times with fifty people. The EULA still shouldn't be there regardless of content. Nothing in it applies to End-Users, only to programmers, so why does the End User have to agree with it to use Firefox? I don't have to agree to the GPL to use GPL-licensed software, only to alter/repackage/redistribute it. This EULA is an imposition. It's like me selling you a car and saying "You can only drive this car if you agree not to reverse-engineer the injection system." Totally bogus.

[Frak]

Fine, I'll drop this point. It seems like I'm having the same conversation fifty times with fifty people. The EULA still shouldn't be there regardless of content. Nothing in it applies to End-Users, only to programmers, so why does the End User have to agree with it to use Firefox? I don't have to agree to the GPL to use GPL-licensed software, only to alter/repackage/redistribute it. This EULA is an imposition. It's like me selling you a car and saying "You can only drive this car if you agree not to reverse-engineer the injection system." Totally bogus.
Just going to put it out there, Firefox is MPL, not GPL. The license is considered open source, but highly restrictive. Mozilla is a company, so they will go out of their way to keep their assets safe and private.

[GepettoBR]

Yes, I know that Mozilla is MPL. I was talking about the GPL exatcly to point out that Mozilla is much more restrictive.

[Frak]

Yes, I know that Mozilla is MPL. I was talking about the GPL exatcly to point out that Mozilla is much more restrictive.
Oh, gotcha.

This is why Debian marks Firefox has non-free.

[cam381]

Worst answer I've heard(Drumroll Please,*Ahem*: No.
That's like asking what your favorite color is, and the reply being: why do you ask? Even after I took an hour to boot up my sister's slow Dell Laptop and figure out partitioning and everything, typing it all up, burning an extra cd, and finally handing the instructions and CD back the next day. My reward was: "That's OK" No it's not ok. God. I hate windows users.:) LOL

*By the way, check my avatar for my take on Windows.

[BlueSkyNIS]

...snip...
*By the way, check my avatar for my take on Windows.

Xexe nice avatar. I will have to show it to my friends :D

[buu700]

$ sudo apt-cache search iceweasel
gcu-plugin - GNOME chemistry utils (browser plugin)
iceweasel-scrapbook - dummy transitional package for ScrapBook
mozilla-bookmarksftp - Iceweasel/Firefox extension to synchronize bookmarks
mozilla-ctxextensions - Context Menu Extensions for Iceweasel
mozilla-openthesaurus-de - OpenThesaurus search plugin for Iceweasel/Iceape
rhkbf - Russian hot keys bugfix for iceweasel
torbutton-extension - iceweasel/firefox/icedove/thunderbird 1-click Tor extension
wysihtml-el - Almost real-time previewing system for HTML and DocBook
flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
openoffice.org - OpenOffice.org Office suite
Funny, it's mentioned in other packages but it isn't there for itself. I have all the official repositories enabled.

Just a small tip: you don't need to be root to run aptitude/apt-cache search or show (remember: if you aren't making administrative changes, root access probably isn't necessary). Just thought that would help you and others collectively save a few minutes of typing in the future.

[GepettoBR]

Just a small tip: you don't need to be root to run aptitude/apt-cache search or show (remember: if you aren't making administrative changes, root access probably isn't necessary). Just thought that would help you and others collectively save a few minutes of typing in the future.

Cool, thanks. Anything to give my fingers a little rest :)

I just assumed any "apt" command would require root access - not so much for making changes as for only the root having x permission for the binary.

[buu700]

Cool, thanks. Anything to give my fingers a little rest :)

I just assumed any "apt" command would require root access - not so much for making changes as for only the root having x permission for the binary.

Okay, fair enough. I guess I should rephrase what I said earlier then: remember: if you aren't making administrative changes or accessing files without appropriate permissions, root access probably isn't necessary.

[GepettoBR]

Okay, fair enough. I guess I should rephrase what I said earlier then: remember: if you aren't making administrative changes or accessing files without appropriate permissions, root access probably isn't necessary.

Roger that, boss. Once again, thanks for the tip!

[higashi]

"The guy who sold me my computer said that linux is bad for it"

"It gets too many viruses"

some people are just too closed minded and stupid...

[mike1234]

"I can't find anything". I actually know some people who cannot find a program in Windows, unless there is a Desktop icon. Unbelievable.

M.

[muyyaQ]

at Malaysia some ppl told me that linux;

"why we need to chg to linux instead we had crack windows"

"linux for technician or IT geek"

"so hard to understand linux"

"linux using cmd line"

so many lamest answer i`d got

[CorvisRex]

"The guy who sold me my computer said that linux is bad for it"

"It gets too many viruses"

some people are just too closed minded and stupid...
Wow... and the Microsoft Right-Speach Dictionary rears it's ugly head once more...that's right up there with "Open Source stifles development and competition"

Windows...It's double plus good...

Sorry, Microsoft always make me think of "1984", Starbucks too..

[eschatologicalhumor]

bliss virus

http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100155.htm


Did anyone catch this?

All Users:
Use current engine and DAT files for detection and removal.

Modifications made to the system Registry and/or INI files for the purposes of hooking system startup, will be successfully removed if cleaning with the recommended engine and DAT combination (or higher).

Did I miss something? This is a GNU/Linux virus right?

[ESE150]

I needed to play a network game...
Medieval Total War 2
That's NOT a lame excuse. You know what would be lame? Switching to an OS that will not be able to run what you use/like/need just so you can say that you have a superior OS (or just because some fanboys call you lame for not using the same OS as them).

[GepettoBR]

That's NOT a lame excuse. You know what would be lame? Switching to an OS that will not be able to run what you use/like/need just so you can say that you have a superior OS (or just because some fanboys call you lame for not using the same OS as them).

You know what's also lame? Being aggressive. N o one is lame for using Windows, and no one is saying that. This thread is about excuses. Notice how the word "excuse" is different from the word "reason". Now, may I suggest you calmly sit down, take a stress pill and think things over?

[ESE150]

This thread is about excuses. Notice how the word "excuse" is different from the word "reason".
No, this thread is about lame exuses.

You know what's also lame? Being aggressive. N o one is lame for using Windows, and no one is saying that. Now, may I suggest you calmly sit down, take a stress pill and think things over?
Someone needs to read my post again. I don't remember getting aggressive or insulting anyone:
You know what would be lame? Switching to an OS that will not be able to run what you use/like/need just so you can say that you have a superior OS (or just because some fanboys call you lame for not using the same OS as them).
I was criticizing Rorke's logic. Rorke said that not switching to Ubuntu just because a game the guy/gal plays doesn't run on it is lame. I just replied that if the guy/gal switched to Ubuntu when he/she hasn't a reason to, but has a reason to keep Windows, then that would be a lame reason for the guy/gal to make the switch.

[rustic]

"I don't like typing." was one I just heard recently from a coworker.

Interesting.

[GepettoBR]

No, this thread is about lame exuses.Which is a sub-category of excuse. What I said is not wrong.


Someone needs to read my post again. I don't remember getting aggressive or insulting anyone:

I was criticizing Rorke's logic. Rorke said that not switching to Ubuntu just because a game the guy/gal plays doesn't run on it is lame. I just replied that if the guy/gal switched to Ubuntu when he/she hasn't a reason to, but has a reason to keep Windows, then that would be a lame reason for the guy/gal to make the switch.
I'm sorry if this is some misinterpretation on my part, but the tone of that post seems to me very aggressive, especially the remark about fanboys. Besides, I don't know where you got it that the person mentioned by Rorke had no reason to switch, but had that one reason not to. Both can coexist, that's why people dual-boot.

[chungy]

"I used it for 10 minutes but Firefox crashed. What a POS"

(yes I'm serious)

[darth_indy]

That's NOT a lame excuse. You know what would be lame? Switching to an OS that will not be able to run what you use/like/need just so you can say that you have a superior OS (or just because some fanboys call you lame for not using the same OS as them).

I'm sorry, but this is rather aggressive, especially the fanboys comment - that seems rather snide. Whether you meant it that way is an entirely different matter, and I'm willing to believe that you didn't mean it aggressively.

I found out after I converted to Ubuntu that I couldn't run my favorite programs, namely Adobe CS3 (Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Flash, etc) and I wouldn't call my excuse a lame one if I had switched back to Windows. But I vastly prefer Ubuntu, and it is still my main OS while I dual-boot to XP for my web designing. It would have been a lame reason for me to not try Linux of any flavor - I wouldn't have had to keep it.

In my personal opinion, I think games of any sort are lame excuses not to try Linux, BUT that's because I'm not a gamer. But I do know some people love to play computer games, and I don't begrudge them that. If they stick with Windows, fine. I'm no crazy fangirl that's gonna start yelling that they're lame. I did that once (for another reason, but that's another story) and I won't do it again. I know Windows works for some people because it's more familiar, and I'd bet we'd get a lot more gaming geeks if we could get manufacturers to produce for Linux.

A lame reason is classified thus: "I don't like tabs like Firefox. I want everything separate windows." Now, that in itself isn't lame - it's a personal preference. What makes it lame is (a) Firefox has a setting for that, and (b) months later, when IE7 came out with tabs and they had forgotten about Firefox, they were raving about those WUNNERFUL tabs, and how FIREFOX couldn't be as good. *snicker* I simply double-clicked on the Firefox icon on the desktop, showed her that the tabs had been there for years, and went on my merry way. Didn't gloat, just matter-of-fact. She doesn't touch IE any more.

[Keymaster]

"I dont' like change"
-My mother

[ryry46d9]

Did anyone catch this?

All Users:
Use current engine and DAT files for detection and removal.

Modifications made to the system Registry and/or INI files for the purposes of hooking system startup, will be successfully removed if cleaning with the recommended engine and DAT combination (or higher).

Did I miss something? This is a GNU/Linux virus right?


Bliss is the first known Unix virus first found in the wild around January 1997. It was originally developed for Linux systems but can be run successfully on others unix platforms.

MCafee does offer dat-5402.tar(Unix) thats probably where the ini file is see http://www.mcafee.com/apps/downloads/security_updates/dat.asp

dat-5402.tar(Unix) readme.txt update.ini 10/9/08 50.72 English

[Keymaster]

How in the hell do you get a virus in Linux? I thought nothing could get in to the main system without root approving it.

[GepettoBR]

How in the hell do you get a virus in Linux? I thought nothing could get in to the main system without root approving it.

You thought right, but it can still infect all the files to which the user who executes it has write access. There is always the possibility that user X will write a script for something and leave it in his/her home folder, where it would get infected and later be run as root.

A virus can do just as much damage in Linux as in Windows. It just doesn't happen because, unlike Windows, a wide open Linux machine is the exception and not the rule.

[Keymaster]

Well I lock my systems down pretty tight, even when I'm the only user. I'm a bit paranoid about PC security ever since my first time getting hacked. Source code was stolen, and now I'm very careful.

[kiddo]

Well, about Bliss, see the wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss_(virus)) on it. Bliss is just a proof of concept "laboratory" virus if I remember correctly, but the fact that it exists is something worthy in itself.

[Keymaster]

Well I'm not too worried, since my systems are pretty well secured.

[GepettoBR]

Back on topic:

"I miss the paperclip"

[lukjad007]

"I like Windows."
That's not stupid, it's an opinion.

[sci-fi guy]

Back on topic:

"I miss the paperclip"

Didn't MS get rid of that?

[Keymaster]

That paperclip never helps anyway.

[GepettoBR]

Didn't MS get rid of that?

It's still there in Office XP, which is the latest I've ever used.

[Killer Cop]

"There no antivirus"

"I can't play games on it"

"It won't work"

People are SO annoying at times. They whine and whine and whine and it's even over redicilous things. And my message to those people are; "BE OPEN FOR NEW THINGS! DON'T GIVE UP BEFORE EVEN TRYING! IGNORANCE EQUALS STUPIDITY!"

I am so sick and tired of it.

It's psycologically tiring in the long run to fight against peoples morale, ignorance and TV-reality conciousness.

[meindian523]

Erm,games ARE a valid reason for 15-25 year olds.

[corney91]

Erm,games ARE a valid reason for 15-25 year olds.
I wouldn't limit the games reason to an age category; there's plenty of people outside of that group that play games.
Besides, what's wrong with a dual boot? ;) (unless it's a small harddrive, I guess)

[soiled skivvies]

my ex - "It's not customizable enough"

me- "And you would rather pay 50 bucks for a program on windblows when linux comes with FREE, easy to use, customizing programs?"

my ex - "The linux programs are too complicated"

me - *Bashes head on keyboard* "ummm.. ok"

[corney91]

"Anything that's free isn't worth using" ....

In theory, if you're looking at a purely financial worth, it's worth giving it a shot every time.

[soiled skivvies]

Yes, I could still use Linux without hibernation support, but why should I cause my self more headaches when I have a perfectly good Windows system? I know what I am doing when it comes to Windows XP, so maintaining it, isn't difficult, and I would much rather do that and save on electric costs for when I leave without powering down the entire system all the time.

There was also a comment I made about giving up long before 4-5 hours like another person had spent on Linux. If Linux is so superior, why would it take 4-5 hours to set up? I'm not trolling here, I realize it is a hardware issue and that some venders are more stubborn than others, but for a particular person's needs, Linux is not the solution. Hell, I have supported hardware and I know for a fact that even a power-user from Windows wouldn't be able to get Ubuntu 7.04 working on my machine unless they were familiar with the internals of Linux.

It almost seems like the fanboys would shoot themselves in the foot and bleed just so they can proclaim that they shot themselves using a Linux bullet. Windows is more like an itchy rash. Annoying, but at least I am still able to get work done instead of bleeding to death and acting like I am better than Windows users.

1. Maintaining Windows is extremely easy, except for when your system gets bogged down and you have to either pay 50 bucks for a registry tweaker/repair tool, or you can cross your fingers and edit the regedit.exe. The other maintnence issue with windows is "msconfig" .. almost everything you install runs when the system boots, including viruses and such, therefore hogging your system and making it take 30 minutes to boot, then you have 3 rows of useless icons by your clock and 3 megs of free ram.

2. I am still learning Linux. Heck, I didn't even know what the difference between KDE, Gnome, and others is/was/are/whatever word put here for proper grammar. I still don't know wtf Nautilus, gtk, and SWAP area is/means. If only I knew some command lines for the terminal, it would make my life easier.

3. Instead of the tedious Windows installation, "Estimated time left, 3 hours, 27 minutes" to install ... Ubuntu took maybe 15 minutes on a fresh install. I didn't even know if my hardware was compatible, nor did I care. I just knew Linux was less maintence

4. 4-5 hours to setup? It installed in 15 minutes and only took me another 10 to put 2+2 together to equal 4 and realize my nvidia 6100 needed "restricted" software, which installed itself and works perfectly fine. I didn't even know what restricted software was at the time. So by the time I was already downloading music, cruising the web, learning more about Gnome, and chatting on Pidgin, your windows will only be 1/3 of the way done on installing. Have fun with that :)

5. I didn't know anything whatsoever about Linux except what I've seen from a Backtrack 3 Beta cd someone gave me to run live. I just wish I knew how to get those tools working on this system, including their awesome appearance pref. dialog and "networking" tools. Backtrack does make it easier to customize.

6. I can customize everything, including login screen. It's as easy as looking at it and telling it to change. I'd like to see you show me an option on windows where you can change the logon screen from the default that comes built in... Show me free software that can make your whole desktop environment look like a completely different OS, then change back in a button click when you're bored with it. IMO, if it did cost money to buy a copy of Linux, it would be money very well spent

[soiled skivvies]

In theory, if you're looking at a purely financial worth, it's worth giving it a shot every time.


It was a misquote that I had to edit from a previous post when someone said if it wasn't free, it's not worth it. Then I called the person who said it a republican. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I guess I'm a quote noob. I love it. I'm no developer, just a hardcore computer user who will never go back to windows. Besides, if someone loves windows so much, why would they post anything on a Linux forum?

[Darkhack]

Maintaining Windows is extremely easy, except for when your system gets bogged down and you have to either pay 50 bucks for a registry tweaker/repair tool, or you can cross your fingers and edit the regedit.exe.

As someone who has been using Windows since version 3.1, I can count the number of times I've needed to run regedit.exe on one hand. I've done it before, but I hardly suspect the average person would ever need to.

4-5 hours to setup?

I clearly stated that it all depends on your hardware. Some hardware boots perfectly the first time. Other times you really have to work with it. In my case NetworkManager is not only worthless, but was actually the cause of my wireless not working. Removing NM and manually editing the configs worked. Network Manager kept overriding any changes I made. Granted this is with one specific device. I suspect a vast majority of people have it working just fine. The only reason it took me 4-5 hours before was because I had never done it before. That was back in the days of 7.04. When I installed hardy, I just copied over my configs and was good to go in about 15 minutes or so.

[karellen]

imho, no reason is truly "lame" if that persons feels/needs that Ubuntu/Linux doesn't satisfy his needs and wants to move to something else. everyone's free to choose, heck, even free to choose to be ignorant in one direction ("I don't want to learn how to use another OS, I'm happy with what I have")

[corney91]

"I don't want to learn how to use another OS, I'm happy with what I have"
That's a fair enough reason but if someone says "it's full of viruses" then imo that is lame because it's simply not true.

[Chame_Wizard]

"There no antivirus"

"I can't play games on it"

"It won't work"

People are SO annoying at times. They whine and whine and whine and it's even over redicilous things. And my message to those people are; "BE OPEN FOR NEW THINGS! DON'T GIVE UP BEFORE EVEN TRYING! IGNORANCE EQUALS STUPIDITY!"

I am so sick and tired of it.

It's psycologically tiring in the long run to fight against peoples morale, ignorance and TV-reality conciousness.

Don't forget "Windows is much easier to use"

my family working with ...Vista home basic :confused:

[karellen]

That's a fair enough reason but if someone says "it's full of viruses" then imo that is lame because it's simply not true.

agree. but it may be "full of viruses" for some people lacking security knowledge (and even common sense - picture.jpg.exe?!...common). if you take moderate care, viruses and other malware won't bother you too much :)

[thomasboleyn]

My sister's boyfriend: "My computer only works when it's lying on it's side and all the usb ports are empty"

Me: "What model/brand is it?"

Him: "I made it myself."

Me: *Sigh*.

[lukjad007]

My sister's boyfriend: "My computer only works when it's lying on it's side and all the usb ports are empty"

Me: "What model/brand is it?"

Him: "I made it myself."

Me: *Sigh*.
And effective deterrent against data theft.

[HellNoire]

"No internet explorer/ microsoft office/ turbo lister" - My mom

[GepettoBR]

And effective deterrent against data theft.

Maybe the floppy drive works... ?

[lukjad007]

Where can the KGB find FLOPPIES? I, mean, really. Plus, try moving a gig of stuff on floppies. :p

[cleverselfreferentialname]

Did anyone catch this?

All Users:
Use current engine and DAT files for detection and removal.

Modifications made to the system Registry and/or INI files for the purposes of hooking system startup, will be successfully removed if cleaning with the recommended engine and DAT combination (or higher).

Did I miss something? This is a GNU/Linux virus right?

By definition, it's a virus, but it's not malicious. It's not /malware/, which is the kind of virus we're used to.

In fact, I seem to remember it having a command line option...

--bliss-uninfect-files-please

It actually does it, too.

[howitzer99]

OK I have been using computers for a long time now well over 25 years.. think back to the C-64 days ya Vic -20, C-PET the good old days of vector based games. My biggest issue with Ubuntu, no Linux in general is the lack of gaming support. Thats it.. I use Windows to game on.. and Linux for everything else. And the games that do run on Ubuntu natively I run on it.. only games that can't. If Linux had to goods to be a great gaming platform and the excellent OS that it is, Windows control over this world as in Microsoft's applications being every wheres from Government to offices would be a thing of the past just like the C-64 .. well thats my 2 cents.

Ubuntu is ready for the main stream just not everyone in it as of yet.. Linux has come a long way. ):P

[kaldor]

Friend: I do not like orange.
Me: Change the color?
Friend: I don't want to. I hate the 2 taskbars too, they get in the way.
Me: Remove one?
Friend: Ubuntu sucks.
Me: Why?
Friend: It is ugly.
Me: You can edit it in whatever way you want to suit what you want.
Friend: You can do that in Vista too.

[Izek]

Let's see...

"My printer doesn't work with it." --An excuse of mine

"Flash CS3 doesn't work in Wine, and mainly needs winetricks" --Another excuse of mine.

Lastly,

"Making files over and over again because of failed installs coming up over and over." --One of mine as well.

*shrugs*

[xnostradamusx]

omg icannot open an installer or exe i downloaded

[ASHIE]

"It's open-source"

"How do they make money?"

"If its free, it cant work"

....all d ppl dat told me that was stunned wen i showed them the compiz cube. i literally installed a wubi system with graphics driver & compiz-fusion and had the cube & burning windows n wobbly windows installed in 32 min. Had "windows fans" drooling

[kyleskimskate]

"my mom doesn't know how to use it" lolol

[skullmunky]

I needed to do some work!
My lawyer keeps sending me .docx

School your lawyer at groklaw.

[reg4c]

I like Windows. - One friend

My computer cannot support it. - Another friend

Its ugly. - Third guy

Does not have a lot of software. - Fourth guy

People are ignorant, but I cannot force them. Buuut, all of them are obviously impressed by Compiz, Conky, AWN, and the speed of loading programmes. HEHEH

Cheerio

[phoenix_snake]

Here is the lamest reason I found on this forum:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=878991

[phoenix_snake]

I like Windows. - One friend


Valid reason, if you like something why change it?


My computer cannot support it. - Another friend


hardware problems maybe?


Its ugly. - Third guy


Could be a valid reason, I mean the original look counts the most and since not every one likes to customize, using your computer for a long time can be boring if its ugly.


Does not have a lot of software. - Fourth guy


this is a weird reason, but maybe it could be the quality of the software

[billgoldberg]

Here is the lamest reason I found on this forum:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=878991

Nice one.

-------

Reasons my mother gave for not wanting Ubuntu on her new laptop.

- I want normal msn. (she doesn't use a camera or anything, just text).

Also I noticed that some peoples IQ seriously drops when using something they don't know.

Nautilus is used in about the same way as internet explorer. But because the names of the default folders are different, suddenly they don't know what to do.

My mother couldn't figure out how to open a file!!!!!!!!!!!

At first I was laughing, later I was a tad sad. She's been using Ubuntu for more than a year.

I'm holding my heart thinking about how many times she'll call me when using Vista.

[phoenix_snake]

Nice one.


lol....thanks :)

[Grant A.]

"It doesn't have the wallpaper I like"

[eternalnewbee]

Uh....
Uh....
Nothing comes to mind!

[svkndv]

System crash is not a usual thing in ubuntu, but once it happen it is not window to recover easly.

[sparvik]

I don't know anyone that has tried and actually gone back.

But I do know the average user is not going to try an OS that didn't come on the computer. I'm a phone tech for a major computer manufacture and if the people that call are any indication of the average user, well just be surprised if they would run a HDD Self test without being on the phone with a tech. Probably wouldn't even take the battery out of their notebook without explicit directions.

Installing an OS is far beyond 85% of the USA population.

[dasunst3r]

Here's another thread that comes to mind: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6009133

[GepettoBR]

Here's another thread that comes to mind: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6009133

Oh wow. I don't listen to rap MP3s either, maybe I should go back to using Windows.

[Noxn]

I just read this entire thread...

Uhm...
I can understand why people don't want to learn a new OS (Maybe they just don't want, or don't have time, or what ever)
But Ubuntu is not difficult - I used windows all the time (Since win98, and now i have XP) and got used to Ubuntu in like, 5 days? Once you get the basics (And >TRY< to get help, not just complain) it's easy as pie.


If some computer newbie would start with GNU/Linux, and then switch to windows, he/she would say that windows sucks and is difficult! Because he/she isn't used to it.


And some excuses here are just lame or without arguments.

[Matthewthegreat]

I don't know anyone that has tried and actually gone back.

But I do know the average user is not going to try an OS that didn't come on the computer. I'm a phone tech for a major computer manufacture and if the people that call are any indication of the average user, well just be surprised if they would run a HDD Self test without being on the phone with a tech. Probably wouldn't even take the battery out of their notebook without explicit directions.

Installing an OS is far beyond 85% of the USA population.

LOL!!! That is so true! Too many people know NOTHING about computers.

[GepettoBR]

I just read this entire thread...

Uhm...
I can understand why people don't want to learn a new OS (Maybe they just don't want, or don't have time, or what ever)
But Ubuntu is not difficult - I used windows all the time (Since win98, and now i have XP) and got used to Ubuntu in like, 5 days? Once you get the basics (And >TRY< to get help, not just complain) it's easy as pie.


If some computer newbie would start with GNU/Linux, and then switch to windows, he/she would say that windows sucks and is difficult! Because he/she isn't used to it.


And some excuses here are just lame or without arguments.

Too true. I first started using Windows 3.10, where I had to type c:\win in the DOS prompt to access the GUI and there was no Desktop. The system was, by today's standards, very far from user-friendly. Still, I was five years old and I managed to learn - alone - how to use it for my little games and Notepad. Windows 95 came along with a completely new and different interface (I got it in 96, when I was seven), and again I learned, in about a week, how to use it all by myself. And I'm by no means exceptionally smart. So when a grown person tells me they can't learn how to use KDE after years on Windows, or GNOME after years on Macintosh, I have to be skeptical. It's too easy to learn the basics. The rest, you learn little by little.

I first installed Ubuntu GNOME on my laptop ten months ago, in early January. This was the first time I used a non-Windows OS. In this short time I've learned how to compile and install kernel modules, edit several system configuration files (especially xorg.conf, which apparently hates PS/2 mice and keyboards), write one or two simple bash scripts for automating repetitive tasks and other similar skills. While far from making me an expert, this is enough to get me through most of the problems I find along the way, and the ones I can't solve, unlike in Windows' BSOD, come with readable error messages that help me Google my way to the answer. Meanwhile, whenever my mom's Vista laptop breaks down I have to spend the entire afternoon going through pages of unhelpful Help pages and unanswered forum posts until I find out just which registry key has had its boolean value inverted for no apparent reason during the last boot.

I decided to try Ubuntu because I heard it was less RAM-hungry than XP. I never expected it to have so many other advantages - it even breaks nicer.

[gjoellee]

"You can delete everything on your HDD with a simple command in Linux.....! That's not safe!"

.....well you have the "rm-rf" command in Mac and you have "fromat <the partition you want to format" ex: "format C:"

[GepettoBR]

"You can delete everything on your HDD with a simple command in Linux.....! That's not safe!"

.....well you have the "rm-rf" command in Mac and you have "fromat <the partition you want to format" ex: "format C:"

And here's an important difference: Windows won't ask you for your password (unless you've changed the default settings), Linux and Mac will.

[Frak]

And here's an important difference: Windows won't ask you for your password (unless you've changed the default settings), Linux and Mac will.
The Mac programs won't let you modify your startup volume. Period.

[Gamjaevel]

"Linux is crap, because windows applications like msn doesn't work on it"
My response to that was, "Do you even know what Linux is?"
Never got an answer on that. Guess we can all pull the finishline from that ;)

[sci-fi guy]

"Linux is crap, because windows applications like msn doesn't work on it"

aMSN (http://www.amsn-project.net/).

[inkrypted]

Linux is just used by hackers and virus writers.

[d_skillz]

None of my friends use it

[Izek]

None of my friends use it

Flock is the worst excuse as well.

[Grant A.]

Linux isn't Windows.

[Noxn]

Linux isn't Windows.

How intelligent... :rolleyes:

[darth_indy]

Linux isn't Windows.

And the proper answer is:
No. No, it's not. And that's a good thing. (http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm)

[Peacepunk]

"It's not working"

...Sometimes, it was true though.

Cheers!

[Silvernotex]

Even though im new (second day of usage), ive already been flooded with these from various friends

~ Its free, so it cant be better than windows - Friend
~ It doesnt have (anti-virus software name) - Floor Staff of a well known PC store
~ It has no Defragmentation tool - The same Floor Staff member

And the Icing on the cake "Its Gay".

[Silvernotex]

Sorry, accidental double post

[sci-fi guy]

Even though im new (second day of usage)
First of all, welcome to Linux!

~ It doesnt have (anti-virus software name) - Floor Staff of a well known PC store
If they really want to push the issue of antivirus, let them know you can get ClamAV (http://www.clamav.net/) if you want to. (It's even in add/remove programs)

~ It has no Defragmentation tool - The same Floor Staff member

And here's why (http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/index.php/2006/08/17/why_doesn_t_linux_need_defragmenting). But it doesn't matter much. Ext4 will support online defragmentation, and it seems like it is being pushed as an intermediate step to something called Btrfs (http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/Kernel-Log-Ext4-completes-development-phase-as-interim-step-to-btrfs--/111742)

[lukjad007]

Cool! I always wondered why and the only answer I got was "because!"

[teeleef]

Put Ubuntu on a neighbours brothers messed up windows box. The whole family were delighted.

Next day I get a call...

"T, can you put XP back on for me?"

"why?"

"My 'computer help guy' at work is giving me grief and says I shouldn't use it"

16hrs he had it on his machine and used it for about
30mins...Jesus!!!


T

[slinkey1981]

I hate the brown!

Sadly, I hear this one all the time.

[meindian523]

No more from Intrepid.

[GepettoBR]

No more from Intrepid.

I actually prefer the brown theme in Intrepid. Darkroom>Human any day.

[BlueSkyNIS]

I actually prefer the brown theme in Intrepid. Darkroom>Human any day.

I have to agree with that. DarkRoom Human is actually very useful. I didn't even changed the wallpaper, only the colour of input boxes from white to light brown.

[rfsquared]

I have to agree with that. DarkRoom Human is actually very useful. I didn't even changed the wallpaper, only the colour of input boxes from white to light brown.

Yeah, I like it too. My friend has it. I, however, have Kubuntu in Intrepid and I have to say that I think the new 4.1 Interface is beautiful...way prettier than Ubuntu :-p

[Mr_J_]

Guess the lamest one I have ever trully had myself is pure lazyness.
Linux distro x not working properly and in the early days I'd just revert back to windows.

Currently going back for Spore. When I do get it...
Not dual booting or anything.
Just going back to XP for a wee bit.

I'm a gamer and I know it.

Been around since Mandrake 7.1 it's a little bit of time.
Always loved linux.
When I started it just made me feel smarter.
Thats the basic diference between linux and windows users.
A windows user likes magic to happen while a linux user expects to make it.

Spore has no magic installation tutorial yet, and probably won't have one for a very long time.

In the begining we had the drivers war, now its the directX war.
Making users enjoy games with little hardship. When they are like me they go back until that particular game has a way to be installed and works like a charm.

Also the wireless doesn't seem to work in the more recent upgrades...
Not really a problem... Other distros exist, even BSD; but there is only one Wine project and Spore just doesn't work there...

So no luck. I'll be heading back to brain dead game land some time soon.

[GepettoBR]

Guess the lamest one I have ever trully had myself is pure lazyness.
Linux distro x not working properly and in the early days I'd just revert back to windows.

Currently going back for Spore. When I do get it...
Not dual booting or anything.
Just going back to XP for a wee bit.

I'm a gamer and I know it.

Been around since Mandrake 7.1 it's a little bit of time.
Always loved linux.
When I started it just made me feel smarter.
Thats the basic diference between linux and windows users.
A windows user likes magic to happen while a linux user expects to make it.

Spore has no magic installation tutorial yet, and probably won't have one for a very long time.

In the begining we had the drivers war, now its the directX war.
Making users enjoy games with little hardship. When they are like me they go back until that particular game has a way to be installed and works like a charm.

Also the wireless doesn't seem to work in the more recent upgrades...
Not really a problem... Other distros exist, even BSD; but there is only one Wine project and Spore just doesn't work there...

So no luck. I'll be heading back to brain dead game land some time soon.

Por quê não fazer um dual-boot e aproveitar o melhor de dois mundos?

[Mr_J_]

The problem with dual boot is it's mainly time consuming and generally I'll just use the one O.S. instead of the other, or others.

The Ubuntu project is going forward in strides and leaps.
It's a beautifull machine I'll definitelly come back to visit many times in the future. As I will with linux itself as a primary O.S., it's just that I miss the windows program base I used.

Just taking a breath of windows and waiting for a less kinky ubuntu.
I'll keep some linux around to use krecipes or some other linux program I miss greatly. What are virtual machines for if not checking out the O.S. you don't want running a hard-drive.

P.S.: Sorry not to answer in Portuguese, but I choose to speak in the primary language used in this thread.

[UranUtan]

Cannot find any crack to remove Ubuntu activation.

[neighborlee]

No start button

I find it ludicrous we need to waste time with such a petty topic when there are people out there with actual problems that need solutions that we as a community could be offering .

cheers
nl

[lukjad007]

Well, look at it as free therapy.

[tvtech]

I've installed the drivers for my nvidia card and now I can't boot into the gui
okay so this is kind of legit but seriously, who hasn't done this? and if you did it in windows would have any even kind of inkling as to what to do?

[tvtech]

Cannot find any crack to remove Ubuntu activation.

ubuntu has an activation?

[sci-fi guy]

ubuntu has an activation?

Of course! (http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/)

[Sam3280]

I just use windows
Friend

[GepettoBR]

The problem with dual boot is it's mainly time consuming and generally I'll just use the one O.S. instead of the other, or others.
Well, since my laptop came with XP pre-installed the only time it consumed for me was the time it would have taken to install Ubuntu anyways, plus one or two minutes to download and install the IFS drivers for Windows. But if you have to install Windows as well, it'll surely be time-consuming, since it'll take about eight times longer.
The Ubuntu project is going forward in strides and leaps.
It's a beautifull machine I'll definitelly come back to visit many times in the future. As I will with linux itself as a primary O.S., it's just that I miss the windows program base I used.
I know that feeling. It took me months to get used to not having Winamp around. But it was a lot easier on me, since I already used a lot of open-source software on Windows that was here in Ubuntu (Firefox, OpenOffice, GIMP, Inkscape) and many of my smaller apps (especially the Bulk Rename Utility) worked well in WINE. It does take some getting used to, though, and that can be a turn-off for many people.
Just taking a breath of windows and waiting for a less kinky ubuntu.
I'll keep some linux around to use krecipes or some other linux program I miss greatly. What are virtual machines for if not checking out the O.S. you don't want running a hard-drive.
We'll be right here waiting for you!
P.S.: Sorry not to answer in Portuguese, but I choose to speak in the primary language used in this thread.
Sure, I asked in Portuguese as more of a joke. Conversations here should be in English :)

[Sef]

Originally Posted by Mr_J_ http://ubuntuforums.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6129569#post6129569)
The Ubuntu project is going forward in strides and leaps.
It's a beautifull machine I'll definitelly come back to visit many times in the future. As I will with linux itself as a primary O.S., it's just that I miss the windows program base I used.


When I have to use XP at work, I miss my Ubuntu programs.

[meindian523]

Sef
ROTFLMAO

[CLomax]

"Free software!? Are you trying to say I'm poor? Sure, Windows seems a tad expensive but it works!" (as it crashes that exact second)

That person is now more of a Linux advocate than myself.

[meindian523]

Coincidence and pure luck.
EDIT:And all for the good,I should add.

[cardinals_fan]

None of these reasons are actually 'lame'. When people say something ridiculous like "no start menu", what they actually mean is that the system is unfamiliar and they are uncomfortable with learning it.

[lukjad007]

I agree. The only thing I think is stupid is when they troll in person and stuff like that.

[kernelhaxor]

cannot find any crack to remove ubuntu activation.

rofl

[Frak]

Cannot find any crack to remove Ubuntu activation.
http://www.alienos.com/articles/2007/02/02/linux-genuine-advantage-cracked

[jbulmer08]

My friends say: i ran this like 6 years ago, i say: what is it. they say a program for windows, i say: where did you hear this, they say : on tv (its like WTF???? its never been on tv it can run on window on a vietual pc but is not a program) also my new favoret words: windows for thouse stupid enough to follow the crowed

[phoenix_snake]

My friends say: i ran this like 6 years ago, i say: what is it. they say a program for windows, i say: where did you hear this, they say : on tv (its like WTF???? its never been on tv it can run on window on a vietual pc but is not a program) also my new favoret words: windows for thouse stupid enough to follow the crowed
actually I once remember they showed a laptop with SUSE Linux, I was pretty small then but I do remember them saying linux, they had it installed on a laptop and they were talking about it rivaling Microsoft.

I am sure it wasn't MacOS cause there was not unified menu bar on top.

[GepettoBR]

None of these reasons are actually 'lame'.

Cannot find any crack to remove Ubuntu activation.

I'll just leave this here...

[Izek]

Another one I may add:

ATI has poor linux support. (They do, but at least you can still use your computer.)

[SlickRick]

'Umm, I don't like it.'
That's what most of the people on my course said when we got some ubuntu live CD's to 'play' with.
As soon as they saw the desktop they didn't like the bird thing and that the 'start' button is at the top.

[GepettoBR]

'Umm, I don't like it.'
That's what most of the people on my course said when we got some ubuntu live CD's to 'play' with.
As soon as they saw the desktop they didn't like the bird thing and that the 'start' button is at the top.

So, we're not allowed to have tastes anymore?

I think not liking something is the best reason not to use it. Much more important than "it doesn't run X" or "it's not like Y".

[tiachopvutru]

So, we're not allowed to have tastes anymore?

I think not liking something is the best reason not to use it. Much more important than "it doesn't run X" or "it's not like Y".

The problem is that they dislike the wallpaper (I assume that's what the bird thing is) which can be easily changed, and the start menu at the top can be easily dragged down.

[cardinals_fan]

I'll just leave this here...
That one was probably a joke.

[GepettoBR]

My post was a joke as well.

[cardinals_fan]

The problem is that they dislike the wallpaper (I assume that's what the bird thing is) which can be easily changed, and the start menu at the top can be easily dragged down.
When they are concerned about things that can easily be changed, it usually means that they are uncomfortable with change overall. They don't want to learn something new.
My post was a joke as well.
I thought so, but it still earned a reply ;)

[anxfisa]

'Umm, I don't like it.'
That's what most of the people on my course said when we got some ubuntu live CD's to 'play' with.
As soon as they saw the desktop they didn't like the bird thing and that the 'start' button is at the top.

For the Love of the (Ubuntu) GODS MAN! Show them how to drag the start to the bottom, and change the desktop! These poor lost sheep must be lead back to the Light! :lolflag:

Actually, I started using Ubuntu when I was still using windows, (like most of us) and so I added the smaller "start" icon to the bottom left. I never use it but it is still there. :popcorn:

What is funny is that in my "Civil Litigation" class in school we use windows computers with a program for legal forms. On my desktop it drove me crazy until I switched the panel to the top. I still miss my "eyes" 8-[ and "Wanda fish," icons. :-({|=

[scunc_dvl]

"My PC repair guy said ...", you can fill in the blank of course he wants you to keep coming back with your achy breaky Windows, especially if he's the kind that also wants you to use IE6 ;)

[klemen912]

"Linux is for poor people, because it's free and I'm not poor."
-Friend

[Toshibawarrior]

"It's open-source, and open-source is dangerous"
-a programmer and M$ snob I know

"I don't know how to open IE in uh-bun-too" (pff! duh!)
- a friend of mine (girl)

"It looks weird. And it's brown!"
-someone on a forum i read

"It doesn't have UAC or anti-virus software!" (Thank God!)
-another guy on another forum

"It's too complicated"
-me when i first tried Feisty Fawn (never again. Ubuntu is awesome! And windows hasn't stepped on my laptop ever since I decided to take the "leap of faith")

"Ugh! I hate it..."
-a friend (girl) who didn't even look at it, she just googled "ubuntu" and immediately hated it.

[GepettoBR]

"Linux is for poor people, because it's free and I'm not poor."
-Friend

Macs are for white people only, because they're white.

[Frak]

Macs are for white people only, because they're white.
They are grey and silver now :P

[solitaire]

They are grey and silver now :P

so I guess well add "Old Age Pensioners" to the list then :D:D

lol

[Frak]

so I guess well add "Old Age Pensioners" to the list then :D:D

lol
:lolflag:

Mac Pro's are aluminum, so they must be targeted toward... the terminator...


;)

[Aaron850679]

actually, this used to happen!
nowadays monitors are protected, but before that a wrong x-server configuration would blow up your monitor!

WOW! maybe that is why my LCD quit working and now i have to use a CRT :lolflag:

[Aaron850679]

I've heard "Dell don't sell it so it must not be good"

omfg Linux is open source and you must be smoking crack or something if you buy Linux lol and dell.com/open ](*,)

[Giant Speck]

I've heard "Dell don't sell it so it must not be good"

omfg Linux is open source and you must be smoking crack or something if you buy Linux lol and dell.com/open ](*,)

Open source software is not the same thing as freeware. You can sell buy and sell open source software. It's not stupid. It's common.

[Frak]

I've heard "Dell don't sell it so it must not be good"

omfg Linux is open source and you must be smoking crack or something if you buy Linux lol and dell.com/open ](*,)
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/ubuntu?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&dgc=IR&cid=11973&lid=471885

[Aaron850679]

Open source software is not the same thing as freeware. You can sell buy and sell open source software. It's not stupid. It's common.
ok

[Azyx]

"i like windows."

lol :)

[linuxguymarshall]

It's illegal to run anything except Windows on a PC

[ubuntu27]

Open source software is not the same thing as freeware. You can sell buy and sell open source software. It's not stupid. It's common.

ok

Hello Aaron. You can sell Free Software, for the word "Free" means Freedom. In the English language Free means Freedom, or it could also mean without cost, payment, or chargeas
English is quite ambiguous in this respect.

It is better if you learn more about Free Software and Open Source.
Here are some links:

What is Free Software? (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html)

Selling Free Software (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html), is it possible?

If you have a huge craving for knowledge, then you can read more at

Philosophy of the GNU Project (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html)

[darth_indy]

Hello Aaron. You can sell Free Software, for the word "Free" means Freedom. In the English language Free means Freedom, or it could also mean without cost, payment, or chargeas
English is quite ambiguous in this respect.


(I didn't read the links you posted, so this might be redundant, but...) That's why Open Source is referred to Libre software sometimes, instead of Free software. As was stated, it's possible to sell open source software, either as is or with modifications, but it's still Libre software; you can go into the source and edit it, or just see what's going on behind the scenes. Many different versions of Linux are technically for sale. Well, you can even buy Ubuntu discs, but you can also order free discs or download the exact same thing. You're paying for convenience and faster shipping.

But I digress. FOSS is what this community is about, and it's best to educate people on the importance of it.

[ubuntu27]

(I didn't read the links you posted, so this might be redundant, but...) That's why Open Source is referred to Libre software sometimes, instead of Free software. As was stated, it's possible to sell open source software, either as is or with modifications, but it's still Libre software; you can go into the source and edit it, or just see what's going on behind the scenes. Many different versions of Linux are technically for sale. Well, you can even buy Ubuntu discs, but you can also order free discs or download the exact same thing. You're paying for convenience and faster shipping.

But I digress. FOSS is what this community is about, and it's best to educate people on the importance of it.

Yes my friend. People use OpenSource as synonym of Free Software or Software Libre. At the beginning the word Open Source was invented in order to prevent confusion about the meaning of "free".
But now Open Source is not the same as Free Software anymore.

Please read Why “Open Source” misses the point of Free Software (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html)

[GepettoBR]

Yes my friend. People use OpenSource as synonym of Free Software or Software Libre. At the beginning the word Open Source was invented in order to prevent confusion about the meaning of "free".
But now Open Source is not the same as Free Software anymore.

Please read Why “Open Source” misses the point of Free Software (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html)

This is why we use the acronym FOSS. It stands for Free and Open-Source Software, and thus encompasses both philosophies at once. I agree that it is important to distinguish them, but I think it's even more important to let them be known, even at the cost of not clearing a proper distinction between them. This can always be remedied after introducing the concepts, but never before.

[darth_indy]

Yes my friend. People use OpenSource as synonym of Free Software or Software Libre. At the beginning the word Open Source was invented in order to prevent confusion about the meaning of "free".
But now Open Source is not the same as Free Software anymore.

I agree (and I did read the article this time, ain't ya proud of me :) ). While the two sometimes overlap (correct me if I'm wrong, but all Free Software is Open Source software, but not the other way around, right?), there is a difference, if you know the difference. We need to try to let people know the difference between free software (freeware), Free Software (freedom), and Open Source software. A lot of negative connotations (free = cheap, you get what you pay for) would be taken care of. But first they need to know the terms do exist; then, they need to know there is a difference, then they can understand the difference.

Sorry for not making myself terribly clear. And for forgetting to mention that FOSS = Free and Open Source Software. Was rather late, and I'd spent the whole day rebuilding five computers with only a single bottle of Pepsi. *grins* The sacrifices you make for what you love, eh?

[GepettoBR]

Truth be told, Felting, I think your ex-friend has a very valid reason. I also think that either you're a very emotionally unstable person or a troll, so I won't waste any more of my time on this post. Begone.

[meindian523]

I would agree.Our point is just to inform people that there's an alternative.Your ex-friend has point by point refuted every possible point a normal user could be persuaded on to switch.A non-techie user won't be exactly enthused by the fact that the code is open when he's never going to read it.What you can use is to expose the Windows EULA which allows MS to spy on you.That's the only thing I can remember off the top of my head which your friend doesn't have an answer to(presently).
Also,read the Don't Preach thread linked to in my sig.

Gepetto:
Please be a little less blunt.

EDIT:
That post could earn me a Insightful score on slashdot!

[s.fox]

Things that are free are obviously pirate copies....

[GepettoBR]

Gepetto:
Please be a little less blunt.

Fredom of Speech: Use it or lose it :)

[sci-fi guy]

Things that are free are obviously pirate copies....

I think CDs from Shipit are professional-looking. Also, you can buy some discs from the Ubuntu Store.

[laurielegit]

"I heard that Linux was better than Ubuntu"
A dear friend, who is a bit of an idiot.

[wrtpeeps]

I think CDs from Shipit are professional-looking. Also, you can buy some discs from the Ubuntu Store.

They are printed and come in a cardboard sleeve. Much like the free cd's you'd get in a newspaper.

The only problem is that they take an absolute age to come.

[darth_indy]

"I heard that Linux was better than Ubuntu"
A dear friend, who is a bit of an idiot.

*snk* That's... priceless, really. You should say something like "Oh, OK, I can help you with Linux too." and then install Ubuntu. *grins* Or maybe I'm feeling a tad bit evil today. At least they have heard of Linux, gotta give them kudos for that. Now all they need to know is what Linux actually *is* (Yes, I could get into the semantics of 'Linux is just the kernel' but I'm tired. :P )

[GepettoBR]

(Yes, I could get into the semantics of 'Linux is just the kernel' but I'm tired. :P )

I doubt the poor fellow knew that. He'd be hard-pressed to tell us why a kernel is better than an entire OS which includes the very same kernel.

[darth_indy]

True. But then again, when I'm in a particularly BFOH mood, I carry on arguments like that, provided this is the kind of person that *pretends* they know what they're talking about. If not, then I'll answer all their questions, and I try very hard to answer *only* that question, instead of rambling on. As I tend to do. A lot. *realizes she's rambling and quickly stops typing*

[Skatertjah]

"Open-Source software might harm your computer"](*,)

[ryaxnb]

"Open-Source software might harm your computer"](*,)

This one is funny if they have Firefox or Google Chrome installed. :D

[EnGorDiaz]

i was talking to a guy last night

he said "linux has open code meaning its viewed by everyone and it can be hacked in two minutes"

i said to him how come they have had a ten thousand dollar virus writing and cracking contest for linuc for over 10 years and he said

"the reason why linux isnt hacked because it takes oup only 3.2% of the prophit margain"

and i said to him most sys linux has password protection and most of the companys use ipcop to protect there networks and he went back to the first excuse and i was like there are thousands of developers working on linux systems and they make it better bcus of community effort you dont get that in windows but i was being light hearted bcus i wanted to talk to him about systems without getting into a big fight hes aparently training to be a systems security specialist and getting a microsoft certificate which i think is hilarious

[magmon]

Its brown!

And, on download.com I think... "Black people!"

[GepettoBR]

"Black people!"

Wait, what?

[Liunx]

):P "I can not install all program just double click the icon!"

[meindian523]

@magmon & Liunx
What?

[Joshua Wells]

"there are too many viruses" is so far the stupidest excuse

[MikeTheC]

The longer I live, the more stupid people I find walking this world.

May not be a very "Christian" thing to say, but it's the truth.

[GepettoBR]

The longer I live, the more stupid people I find walking this world.

May not be a very "Christian" thing to say, but it's the truth.

That's the sentiment that makes people turn to nihilism.
Or to school shotings if they have a screw loose somewhere.

[MikeTheC]

The problem is that they dislike the wallpaper (I assume that's what the bird thing is) which can be easily changed, and the start menu at the top can be easily dragged down.

This is one of the reasons I hate those house-selling shows on HGTV. People walk in to a house which may otherwise be perfectly acceptable, but then they object to, say, the carpet or wall color or how the present owner has furniture arranged.

There are a LOT of stupid people out there. It's best to help those of our fellow humans that we can, and let the others live in their own little world. (At least they know them there...)

Why are there no "virtual machine sandboxes" for stupid people in the real world?

[MikeTheC]

That's the sentiment that makes people turn to nihilism.
Or to school shotings if they have a screw loose somewhere.

Hey! You can *barely* see those screws after the plastic surgery! :p

[GepettoBR]

Hey! You can *barely* see those screws after the plastic surgery! :p

:lolflag:

You should get a tan to hide the green as well.

[MikeTheC]

You should get a tan to hide the green as well.

Oh, is that what I forgot to do? Thanks for reminding me. I do have a screw loose, after all! :p

[tsali]

There are a LOT of stupid people out there. It's best to help those of our fellow humans that we can, and let the others live in their own little world. (At least they know them there...)


retracted...

[noenter1]

"Well it seems fine to me, but I don't want to learn anything."
-Mother

[CraigPaleo]

I know a guy whose biggest whine was that he couldn't "naked cam" anymore... the chat program/site he used didn't support linux.

i was never so happy to see someone go backkk to using windows, lol

Hmmm... okay, that sounded bad... I was never so happy to HEAR about someone going back to windows :D

Tell him to use Adult Friend Finder or Getiton. They use "flash" (pun intended) for naked camming. :p ...or so I've heard.

[GepettoBR]

...or so I've heard.

Yeah, nice save. We, um... all believe you.

[modmadmike]

"Linux is for hackers like you"
-a friend
"My Vista fixes its problems itself"
-sisters boyfriend (he's ~25 so yea he is an adult)
"What's the difference, I have to reformat my HDD every month either way because it gets slow after some time"
-sisters boyfriend again
"It wont load my Myspace" (problem was resolved a week later in an update"
-sisters boy friend
"Firefox is horrible compared to IE - its slow and more perceptible to viruses"
-can I even say it again?
"It wont run my games"
-Brother
"My VPN client wont work right in linux although I wish it would"
-Father (Veteran of linux whom never got wine to work fully"
"Linux is like going back to the 80's - there is no GUI"
-Freind
"I have an extra 80gb HDD for Micro$hit"
-Self
"It would be to hard and costly to switch"
-School Teacher

NONE　おf〒ぇ背鵜ぇれまで鵜p手ぇれ亜lltるえ

[modmadmike]

"Linux is for hackers like you"
-a friend
"My Vista fixes its problems itself"
-sisters boyfriend (he's ~25 so yea he is an adult)
"What's the difference, I have to reformat my HDD every month either way because it gets slow after some time"
-sisters boyfriend again
"It wont load my Myspace" (problem was resolved a week later in an update"
-sisters boy friend
"Firefox is horrible compared to IE - its slow and more perceptible to viruses"
-can I even say it again?
"It wont run my games"
-Brother
"My VPN client wont work right in linux although I wish it would"
-Father (Veteran of linux whom never got wine to work fully"
"Linux is like going back to the 80's - there is no GUI"
-Freind
"I have an extra 80gb HDD for Micro$hit"
-Self
"It would be to hard and costly to switch"
-School Teacher

NONE　おf〒ぇ背鵜ぇれまで鵜p手ぇれ亜lltるえ

Opps hit CTRL+Shift what I meant was that None of them were made up - all real excuses. If you dont know I am a 8 year VET of linux.

Here is another-
"Linux is only for Programers"
-FIRST Robotics Club member

[KNOTMIN3]

The lamest thing I've heard about ubuntu ever is:


"I don't have 1000s of dollars to spend on linuxes!"



I guess you can pluralize linux, but it sounds stupid. Anyhoo, the person then told me that linux is a brand of computer, like Macs, and PCs. I laughed.

[giannisfs]

proprietary Os's will not leave you in cold blood, because it is proprietary software... :popcorn:

[FluorescentDuck]

Well, this has probably been mentioned already, but the sheer absurdity of it I think is worth mentioning again:

"Um, Ubuntu is totally just a really lame and cheap rip-off of Mac OS X. Like, they look the same and everything. They just copied apple."

Honestly! Come on! ](*,)

[upapilot]

No Notepad or Paint.
Actually Ubuntu does have a Notepad called Tomboy and OpenOffice draw is better than Paint:KS

[kyleskimskate]

"I don't want to learn the whole entire long thing of sudo apt-get install (program here) then enter password.... It's too tedious."- My Friend. Ha

[GepettoBR]

"I don't want to learn the whole entire long thing of sudo apt-get install (program here) then enter password.... It's too tedious."- My Friend. Ha

As opposed to: type app name in Google, Click, scan page, find download link, click, captcha, click, wait, double-click, pretend to read the EULA, click NEXT five or six times, click Finish, reboot. Much simpler :roll:

[EnGorDiaz]

I know a guy whose biggest whine was that he couldn't "naked cam" anymore... the chat program/site he used didn't support linux.

i was never so happy to see someone go backkk to using windows, lol

Hmmm... okay, that sounded bad... I was never so happy to HEAR about someone going back to windows :D

*sings the lmao song*

[darth_indy]

As opposed to: type app name in Google, Click, scan page, find download link, click, captcha, click, wait, double-click, pretend to read the EULA, click NEXT five or six times, click Finish, reboot. Much simpler :roll:

Exactly! If I'm in an argumentative mood (which, knowing me, is most of the time) I'll say something pretty much identical to that.

[ubuntu27]

No Notepad or Paint.

Actually Ubuntu does have a Notepad called Tomboy and OpenOffice draw is better than Paint:KS

Well, there is an application like Window's paint called "GNU Paint" which is for GNOME. It is practically like Paint :popcorn:

The package name is "gpaint"

sudo apt-get install gpaint

And there is another one that it is much advanced than GNU Paint or Windows's paint (But it is not as advanced or complicated as Gimp) that is called "mtPaint"

sudo apt-get install mtpaint

[Xenix]

As opposed to: type app name in Google, Click, scan page, find download link, click, captcha, click, wait, double-click, pretend to read the EULA, click NEXT five or six times, click Finish, reboot. Much simpler :roll:

Rubbish. To install apps in Windows I do basically none of that. I open the installer for the application I want, click next a couple of times and that's it. No rebooting, no captcha - nothing.

[GepettoBR]

Rubbish. To install apps in Windows I do basically none of that. I open the installer for the application I want, click next a couple of times and that's it. No rebooting, no captcha - nothing.

that's when you already have the app locally. The captchas are on most download sites, hence the first part of my list. That, of course, when you didn't pay to get the app on CD and didn't even get access to the source code, leaving you at the mercy of whoever wrote the software. And whenever anything sensitive (which is almost everything) has to be changed in the Registry a reboot is required. Nero, many games, the Sony Photo Suite that came with my camera and other mundane installations all require a reboot. In Linux, nothing requires a reboot, save for the stuff that's only launched during boot anyways, like the kernel or X. Likewise, uninstalling these same applications in Windows also requires a reboot.

[Xenix]

that's when you already have the app locally.


Even when I download to install apps, I know where I get my apps from. I rarely need to go searching. I also need to search Google for some Linux apps as the repositories often contain out of date applications or don't have the app I want at all.


The captchas are on most download sites, hence the first part of my list.


No site that I use for downloads has captchas.


when you didn't pay to get the app on CD and didn't even get access to the source code, leaving you at the mercy of whoever wrote the software.


I don't mind paying for software. Saves on bandwidth and time too. I also use a lot of free software too - even in Windows. Also, I don't care about not having the source code as I wouldn't do anything with it anyway. I suspect most average computer users feel the same.


And whenever anything sensitive (which is almost everything) has to be changed in the Registry a reboot is required. Nero, many games, the Sony Photo Suite that came with my camera and other mundane installations all require a reboot.


Rubbish. The only "software" of mine that require a reboot are drivers. I don't mind restarting for those as I rarely install them (only when updating or fresh install). Linux also asks me to reboot after I have downloaded and installed drivers. I know there are ways around it but it asks me none the less. None of my games or other Windows software require a restart.


Likewise, uninstalling these same applications in Windows also requires a reboot.
Maybe on a Windows 95 machine but certainly not on my Vista or XP. Save for drivers.

[GepettoBR]

Even when I download to install apps, I know where I get my apps from. I rarely need to go searching. I also need to search Google for some Linux apps as the repositories often contain out of date applications or don't have the app I want at all.

Even still, Windows has 0% of its software on repositories. Even the downloads from Microsoft itself, apart from the updates, have to be done via their website. Even the time required to navigate through it is already more of a hassle than typing "sudo apt-get install package".

No site that I use for downloads has captchas. You are not everybody. Many popular websites have captchas to avoid bot-downloads and throttle download managers, in order to save bandwidth.



I don't mind paying for software. Saves on bandwidth and time too. I also use a lot of free software too - even in Windows. Also, I don't care about not having the source code as I wouldn't do anything with it anyway. I suspect most average computer users feel the same.I won't do anything with the source code either. But if it's available, that means that people can check it and see if there are any flaws or backdoors, like the many ones intentionally bundled with Apple software for the sake of enforcing DRM. When I download Open Source software I trust that people with more knowledge than me have looked at the code, and will look at it in the future to ensure that it is clean and safe.



Rubbish. The only "software" of mine that require a reboot are drivers. I don't mind restarting for those as I rarely install them (only when updating or fresh install). Linux also asks me to reboot after I have downloaded and installed drivers. I know there are ways around it but it asks me none the less. None of my games or other Windows software require a restart.Not rubbish. My brother just installed Neverwinter Nights on his XP PC not ten minutes ago. Reboot. Installing DirectX? Reboot. Installing/uninstalling Nero 7? Reboot. Spore? Reboot. Adobe Premiere, AfterEffects and/or Photoshop? Reboot. All this is software that I have personally installed and been prompted by to reboot.So much Windows software requires rebooting that wine has a built-in command to simulate a Windows reboot. If the two or three applications that you use didn't, congrats. You are the exception and not the rule.

As for drivers, they require a reboot because they're loaded with the kernel. This is true for every OS, and isn't a flaw or merit of any one of them.


Maybe on a Windows 95 machine but certainly not on my Vista or XP. Save for drivers.Wrong again. Your personal experience does not account for everyone else's. I've used XP both at home and for work since only two weeks after it came out. I've broken and fixed it more times than I can remember. I know what I'm talking about. You, clearly, do not. As for Vista, I've had to reboot it because Norton 360 updated the virus definitions, which is among other things why I upgraded my Vista-bundled laptop to XP as soon as I could.

[Xenix]

I know what I'm talking about. You, clearly, do not.

I won't respond to most of your post as it would be a waste of my time. I do know what I am talking about and trust me, I was a blind Linux fanboy once too - but not anymore. Most of the apps you listed that you claim need a restart I have actually installed many times myself and they run absolutely fine without a restart, as does the whole system. It's fine to sudo apt-get install <app> however, again, a lot of the applications in Linux repositories are out of date or do not exist in the repo. In which case I then need to use Google to search for a Linux app and probably run into multiple dependancy issues. Not so with Windows.

As for Norton needing a restart due to virus update - don't use Norton. It's junk. Again, I was a blind Linux maniac too, however I saw the light and really - Linux isn't as great as it's made out to be by a lot of people on this forum. If I had the choice between paying money for Linux or Windows, I would choose Windows without a doubt. Again, Linux is alright but many people on this forum make it out to be some sort of religion and they swear by it.

Don't bother replying to me because I won't return to this thread to see your post.

[Giant Speck]

Even still, Windows has 0% of its software on repositories. Even the downloads from Microsoft itself, apart from the updates, have to be done via their website. Even the time required to navigate through it is already more of a hassle than typing "sudo apt-get install package".

Yes, but there are still plenty of applications for Ubuntu that you have to find on the internet, download and install. And in many cases, what you are downloading is not an executable file such as a .deb. It's usually a tarball that you have to extract, configure, make, and install.

[GepettoBR]

I was a blind Linux fanboy once too - but not anymore.Ah, the joys of trolling. It reminds me of when I was twelve years old. If you look at my other posts around this forum, you'll be ashamed of making such an ignorant comment. I still use Windows, even though I prefer Ubuntu for most tasks - and not just for compatibility with specific apps. Sometimes it does the job better. Off the top of my head, one thing that bothers me to no end about Nautilus and in which Windows Explorer serves me well: When I copy a file over to a directory that has another with the same name, Windows shows me a comparison between the two, with filesize, creation date and even an icon - nautilus simply asks if I want to overwrite. Windows also deals MUCH better with video codecs, which I believe is largely at fault for the lack of competent NLEs in Linux, and Wine's inability to make any of the Windows ones work properly. But just like Windows has advantages, so does Linux, and when it comes to installing applications Windows is lightyears behind. The dependency problems you (and other die-hard Windows fanboys that troll around this forum and others) are simply the result of not paying attention to what you're doing, because you're used to the boring same-old "Next" arrow you need to press a million times when you install anything. Installing from the repos guarantees your dependencies wil be met, and if you want a newer package all you ned to do is use a trustworthy source like GetDeb, or read the README when compiling from source. It isn't hard and it doesn't take time.

I won't respond to most of your post as it would be a waste of my time. Obviously, since you'd have to actually think about what you're typing.

Don't bother replying to me because I won't return to this thread to see your post.You don't get to choose if I reply or not. If you don't want to read my replies, don't; I'll still write them if I want to. Good life to you, and may your arrogance someday be cured.

[GepettoBR]

Yes, but there are still plenty of applications for Ubuntu that you have to find on the internet, download and install. And in many cases, what you are downloading is not an executable file such as a .deb. It's usually a tarball that you have to extract, configure, make, and install.

This is a pet peeve of mine. I seriously don't see why people have so much dread of typing the same three commands for any source installation. The only time I've ever had to do anything other than "./configure, make, sudo make install" was for my wireless card's driver and the first Google result for the driver name got me into a step-by-step.

I prefer GUIs over CLIs for everything but video encoding - CLIs bother me. Still, installing a program from source is no big deal. UNinstalling a source-instaled program is a PIA, yes, but not installing it. It still beats the EULAs and "Next"s.

[jj3502]

what is worst excuse you've heard for switching back to windows:confused:

[doobiest]

May dad couldn't program his FTA satellite. Even though I had the software working perfectly under wine.

I think the best excuse is "I'm not cool enough" Because that is the only valid reason to switch back.

[C!oud]

This almost exact thread already exists

[Kvark]

Any excuse is bad because you shouldn't need an excuse to use whichever tool you prefer.

[doobiest]

I think it's safe to say that any new thread posted today already exists. I've commented on three threads pertaining to the same type of grub config. Thank goodness the moderators are friendly here or else new people would be too afraid to post looking for help :D

[ajcham]

"What's the difference, I have to reformat my HDD every month either way because it gets slow after some time"


I'm no stranger to seeing a poorly maintained Windows box slow to an unusable crawl over time, to be most easily fixed by a reinstall - but every month?!

[doobiest]

You should never have to reinstall an OS, that's just sad. Windows is just sad.

Oh and windows is inherently insecure.. Unix's security rocks.

[crewkid89]

Cos it doesn't play... BIOSHOCK!!!! AHHHHA!!!

Alright that's enough. :)


That is the single reason I still have windows on a partition.

[Changturkey]

"Doesn't look like Windows"
"Isn't it a office suite?"

[Frak]

This is a pet peeve of mine. I seriously don't see why people have so much dread of typing the same three commands for any source installation. The only time I've ever had to do anything other than "./configure, make, sudo make install" was for my wireless card's driver and the first Google result for the driver name got me into a step-by-step.

I prefer GUIs over CLIs for everything but video encoding - CLIs bother me. Still, installing a program from source is no big deal. UNinstalling a source-instaled program is a PIA, yes, but not installing it. It still beats the EULAs and "Next"s.
It's not always three easy commands.

./configure
sudo apt-get install X-dev
./configure
sudo apt-get install Y-dev
./configure
sudo apt-get install Z-dev alpha-dev beta-dev
./configure
sudo ln -s /path/to/something /path
./configure
make
<error somewhere>
make clean
<edits some code for current system>
make
make clean
<edits again>
make -j4
sudo make install

Most of the time it requires dependency resolution (from the authors own hand). Makes more sense just to click "Next" on a window and agreeing to a license (you agree to a license every time you install something on Ubuntu too).

[Giant Speck]

Didn't this thread used to be in Recurring Discussions?

[poebae]

Didn't this thread used to be in Recurring Discussions?
It still is, from what I can see.

[Giant Speck]

It still is, from what I can see.

That's because I let the moderators know it wasn't. They moved it back.

[Biased turkey]

Linux doesn't have the blue screen of death.

Jacques

[Chame_Wizard]

some classmates of mine:

"i can't see my Windows Music folder in Ubuntu,when in dual boot".
"Ubuntu can't read my MacOS X FAT32 partition".

[meindian523]

1st reason needs some adjustment in fstab to automount,assuming he's talking about a partition which holds his music.2nd one,:confused:

[Portable_Jim]

Linux doesn't have the blue screen of death.
Yes it does.
See image of it here: http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8596/3800yq1.jpg

[Tomatz]

Yes it does.
See image of it here: http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8596/3800yq1.jpg

Thats a blue screen of nearly death ;)

[Frak]

Yes it does.
See image of it here: http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8596/3800yq1.jpg
Win?...err Fail?

[GepettoBR]

It's not always three easy commands.

./configure
sudo apt-get install X-dev
./configure
sudo apt-get install Y-dev
./configure
sudo apt-get install Z-dev alpha-dev beta-dev
./configure
sudo ln -s /path/to/something /path
./configure
make
<error somewhere>
make clean
<edits some code for current system>
make
make clean
<edits again>
make -j4
sudo make install

Most of the time it requires dependency resolution (from the authors own hand). Makes more sense just to click "Next" on a window and agreeing to a license (you agree to a license every time you install something on Ubuntu too).

Well, then, I guess I've just been lucky (Just like the troll who never had to restart his Windows machine. :lolflag:) since I've never had that happen to me. Now I see why it would be annoying, especially since your scheme indicates that if there are multiple dependency problems you only get notified of one at a time :s

Just a clarification, though: What I said about EULAs is that they're put right in front of you, because they have to, because they restrict rights of use. Since the GPL doesn't, and most Linux software is GPL-licensed, you only really have to see it (and imply agreement) if you intend to modify / redistribute. You can use it without agreeing to the EULA, in spite of the acronym's meaning. Besides, EULAs are truly a "Windows thing", even though they do exist in Linux-native apps, for example with Opera and Adobe Acrobat (and obviously in OS X. Apple's EULAs are the meanest.): If I sudo apt-get install gimp, I don't have to read anything. If I install GIMP on Windows, I get an EULA screen with the GPL.

[Masquerade]

"you cant do anything with it"

"its for freaks"

"you cant even burn music on a CD"

and as we were talking about windows media player
"shut up, you and your linux dont even have windows media player"

[macintosh]

"It's too good"- macintosh

[sci-fi guy]

"you cant do anything with it"
Oh, I didn't know that. I'll be sure to stop right away.
"its for freaks"
...
...
...
Ok, he wins that one. ;)
"you cant even burn music on a CD"
I would like to know how burning works... Do music CDs have their own format? I once burned FLAC files to a disc and it played perfectly in the radio (which I doubt had FLAC codecs).
and as we were talking about windows media player
"shut up, you and your linux dont even have windows media player"

But we do have RealPlayer. *snicker*

[meindian523]

I dunno,but the do have a separate filesystem called ISO9660.

[GepettoBR]

I would like to know how burning works... Do music CDs have their own format? I once burned FLAC files to a disc and it played perfectly in the radio (which I doubt had FLAC codecs).

In theory, yes, but I don't really know the difference between cda and wav. I've never tried it with FLAC, but drag-n-drop burning wav files to data CDs has always worked for me.

[Moustacha]

I would like to know how burning works... Do music CDs have their own format? I once burned FLAC files to a disc and it played perfectly in the radio (which I doubt had FLAC codecs).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_audio#Audio_CD

[Swerve1000]

"It's African and I don't want more spam from there."

[Waggdogg]

Who can make money when it's free? Duh!

[kiddo]

just for the sake of being helpful to some of you, when compiling: do a sudo apt-get build-dep thenameofthepackageyouaretryingtocompile

... and pretty much 99% (or 100%) of the dependencies will be solved and installed for you before you start your compiling adventure.

[Frak]

just for the sake of being helpful to some of you, when compiling: do a sudo apt-get build-dep thenameofthepackageyouaretryingtocompile

... and pretty much 99% (or 100%) of the dependencies will be solved and installed for you before you start your compiling adventure.
But for all the programs out there, that will only help 1/2 the time. If you're compiling something like a new game, you'll need to just take shots in the dark on the correct dependencies.

[Portable_Jim]

just for the sake of being helpful to some of you, when compiling: do a sudo apt-get build-dep thenameofthepackageyouaretryingtocompile... and pretty much 99% (or 100%) of the dependencies will be solved and installed for you before you start your compiling adventure.
Have not tried that, nor do I have something that I need to compile (in the foreseeable future), however I can see that this could be really useful. So thanks in advance.

[compgeek83]

"The "Start" button is on the top of the screen"

"I cant find Windows Movie Maker"

"My *****.com toolbar wont work in firefox"
-insert any stupid website that offers a toolbar in place of *****

"Windows works better"

"There isn't a Pro version of Ubuntu, and I HAVE to have the pro version"

[compgeek83]

"Norton360 doesn't support Linux, and I bought a 3 year subscription"

"They don't sell it at Wal-Mart"

[Tomatz]

"Norton360 doesn't support Linux, and I bought a 3 year subscription"

I didn't think it even supported windows XD

"They don't sell it at Wal-Mart"

Good!

[Chame_Wizard]

"they have a stupid mascot"