What is the lamest reason for giving up on Ubuntu/Linux you've ever heard?

[bronxbomberz41]

I'm scared it won't work and my IT guy at work (who happens to fix my mom's computer every time it breaks) says that its not good enough for my needs (checking email, paying bills, not getting viruses, etc)

[Tomatz]

Here's a first


"I won't use Linux because Geek Squad says its illegal"


You heard it folks, the one and only Geek Squad says Linux is illegal. Start reinstalling Windows everybody :rolleyes:

Linux isnt illegal but some of the packages infringe copyright. The libdvdcss2 package is actually illegal in some countries including the UK.

What a shame :lolflag:

[eilu]

"I can afford Vista!" in a very insulted tone. Which is why I don't buy gifts for this person anymore- she can afford them as well and may get insulted again. :lolflag:

[coolen]

I'm scared it won't work and my IT guy at work (who happens to fix my mom's computer every time it breaks) says that its not good enough for my needs (checking email, paying bills, not getting viruses, etc)
Too bad you're not a gamer. According to every critical Linux review I've ever read, that's the only thing it is useful for.

[peterbrewer]

'My dog ate my live cd' - a take on 'my dog ate my homework' and to be fair was said in joking way. Friend had just lost live cd. Now uses linux so...

[Captain Oblivious]

When I was 13, my family had a crappy computer that dual-booted Windows ME and some version of Linux. I didn't like Linux because it ran painfully slow on the computer compared to ME. Fast-forward 6 years, I'm posting on a laptop that's running faster on Ubuntu than it did with XP. (It came with XP, but after getting a ******** of viruses, I got rid of it and installed Ubuntu)

So, my personal excuse, "It's too slow"

[bobblehat]

"I tried it briefly ten years ago but it didn't work exactly how I wanted immediately so I gave up for ever"

...and...

"I like it and would use it just as long as everyone else moves over first"

[damis648]

HAHAHAHA
Linux looks very interesting, even if some of the screen colours and menu options appear to be a little out of the ordinary.

But you are missing a vital point, a point which takes some experience and depth of knowledge in the field of computers. You see, when a computer boots up, it needs to load various drivers and then load various services. This happens long before the operating system and other applications are available.

Linux is a marvellous operating system in its own right, and even comes in several different flavours. However, as good as these flavours are, they first need Microsoft Windows to load the services prior to use.

In Linux, the open office might be the default for editing your wordfiles, and you might prefer ubuntu brown over the grassy knoll of the windows desktop, but mark my words young man - without the windows drivers sitting below the visible surface, allowing the linus to talk to the hardware, it is without worth.

And so, by choosing your linux as an alternative to windows on the desktop, you still need a windows licence to run this operating system through the windows drivers to talk to the hardware. Linux is only a code, it cannot perform the low level function.

My point being, young man, that unless you intend to pirate and steal the Windows drivers and services, how is using the linux going to save money ? Well ? It seems that no linux fan can ever provide a straight answer to that question !

May as well just stay legal, run the Windows drivers, and run Office on the desktop instead of the linus.

THAT HAS TO BE THE FUNNIEST THING I HAVE EVER READ.
I thought i would just share that. :lolflag::lolflag::lolflag::lolflag:

[damis648]

ALSO:
“Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services ?
That sounds preposterous to me.If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without a windows. This clearly is not happening, so there must be some error in your calculations. I hope you realise that windows is more than just Office ? Its a whole system that runs the computer from start to finish, and that is a very difficult thing to acheive. A lot of people dont realise this.Microsoft just spent $9 billion and many years to create Vista, so it does not sound reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence overnight like that. It would take billions of dollars and a massive effort to achieve. IBM tried, and spent a huge amount of money developing OS/2 but could never keep up with Windows. Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft.Its just not possible that a freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer fron start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible.
I think you need to re-examine your assumptions.”
I AM LAUGHING SOOO HARD.
Again, one of my favorite things to share ;-) :lolflag::lolflag::lolflag::lolflag:

[JUOKAS]

It looks unusual

[NightwishFan]

The "if its not Windows its not good".

I have a metalhead friend who loves how I bash microsoft he does now even though he doesn't even use a computer much.hhahah dude that guy must have bought his car from microsoft

[Ryuki_NdranC]

OMG i just read 74 pages of posts, most hilarious thing ever...

here are my two experiences:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
friend: whats that thingy with icons (pointing AWN dock)
me: it a dock for Linux
friend: like Ubuntu?
me really impressed: yeah, have you heard of it?
friend: yes i order one and installed on my pc
me this time REALLY IMPRESSED: i didn't know you knew how :O
friend: yeah, put i don't like it because it made my windows slow
me: ...
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friend: wow whats that? (pointing my 3d cube)
me: its Linux
friend: can you install that program on my pc?
me: it's not a program it's a SO
friend: whats a SO
me: ...
friend: ah you mean i don't have a good enough machine for it?
me: ... yeah, thats it ... <_<
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me: hi, excuse me this how much for this laptop
vendor: 1700 $ but it the best of the best (512 ram, 128mb x200m ati, Pentium mobile <_<) (that roughly the price in us dollars in my country)
me: do you know if it has problems under Linux?
vendor: no it doesn't runs it like a charm
me: :O really even the wireless?
vendor: yes ofc, you can install Linux and windows xp will make all work.
me: ._. (walks away)


i know it's not all lame excuses but i think they where funny too... some times i quit fighting the massive social ignorance and just nod when they ask if Linux is like a windows skin -_-

[Bubs]

my mom says it would be too hard, though she's never used it. but lately I've been inclined to belive her since she complaines that her new Macbook is 10 times harder than windows.

The excuse I here a lot is why switch if everyone uses windows.

and she couldn't use word. but I tried to tell her OO.org is just as good.

[kerohazel]

You heard it folks, the one and only Geek Squad says Linux is illegal. Start reinstalling Windows everybody :rolleyes:

No no no...

You see, making copies of Windows is illegal. Windows itself is legal.

On the other hand, making copies of Linux is legal. Therefore Linux itself must be illegal! Makes perfect sense! :p

[Twitch6000]

Basically everyone has posted everything I heard.
Although there was this thing with a freind who is a ''punk'' on YIM.We got in into a Linux Vs Windows arguement.
I starting laying out big facts and he did too.
Then he said,''You are probably using Windows to be on YIM right now''.
I was like nope I am on PIDGIN.
Then he was like well how do you surf the web without bugs.(I laughed)
I was like with FF2(at the time FF3 wasn't out in beta or even alpha).
He then said how the heck is FF2 on stupid Linux.
I got mad and said its open source duh.
Then he starting asking about Open Source.
So I gave him a Link to a few things a Ubuntu.

He still denies Linux but,he is a open source fan atleast <.<.

[Ryuki_NdranC]

Basically everyone has posted everything I heard.
Although there was this thing with a freind who is a ''punk'' on YIM.We got in into a Linux Vs Windows arguement.
I starting laying out big facts and he did too.
Then he said,''You are probably using Windows to be on YIM right now''.
I was like nope I am on PIDGIN.
Then he was like well how do you surf the web without bugs.(I laughed)
I was like with FF2(at the time FF3 wasn't out in beta or even alpha).
He then said how the heck is FF2 on stupid Linux.
I got mad and said its open source duh.
Then he starting asking about Open Source.
So I gave him a Link to a few things a Ubuntu.

He still denies Linux but,he is a open source fan atleast <.<.

How can he be an open source fan and don't like linux? o.o

Strange people out there i tell you that much :)

[Tyke91]

lamest of all. My friend doesn't like linux because I started using it before he did, and it would hurt his ego to use it :confused:

[Fenris_rising]

i have yet to be presented with a lame reason (im only 3 weeks into ubuntu)
but i have a baseball bat ready to teach whoever the error of their ways!
ubuntu rules!

[damis648]

actually you know, this thread is pretty sad...

[sstusick]

:lolflag::lolflag::lolflag:

[Twitch6000]

How can he be an open source fan and don't like linux? o.o

Strange people out there i tell you that much :)

I have no clue my friend but, at least I opened his eyes some :).

[anxfisa]

"Linux is full of viruses because you download it off the net."

and

"I knew a guy who installed Linux, and it broke his monitor."

WOW! That is some Linux! :O WOW!

Sorry I have nothing to add but, WOW! :lolflag:

[Thirtysixway]

"I'm old and conservative in my ways"

My dad hahaha, I keep showing him openoffice.org and different things when he passes by in attempt to get him to at least try the live cd. He complains about xp being slow, ubuntu is the cure I tell him ;p

[digitalvectorz]

"My OS is more expensive than yours"

Oh please. What a waste to dump $500 into an OS:roll:
And an annoying OS at that too.:p

Haha, Pay $500 for an OS, $600 for Office and then countless hours of installing updates containing code in which we have no knowledge of what kind of privacy violating code M$ incorporates unless we Reverse Engineer the updates. *sigh*

[GepettoBR]

Haha, Pay $500 for an OS, $600 for Office and then countless hours of installing updates containing code in which we have no knowledge of what kind of privacy violating code M$ incorporates unless we Reverse Engineer the updates. *sigh*

...which we can't do because of the EULA. :roll:

[suziequzie]

lamest of all. My friend doesn't like linux because I started using it before he did, and it would hurt his ego to use it :confused:

You know, I can believe that. I had a friend who was hardcore into local BBS'ing. Then she lost access to a computer. Later on, the web became big, and she still wasn't on it. If another friend and I were discussing interesting web sites, she'd get all huffy about it.

Now that she has a computer, she's on the web. But we're not really friends anymore

She was the kind of person who can be summed up like so: No one could have it worse than her... but heaven forbid if you have it better than her.

She's so hard done by...

She probably wouldn't like linux. And her other computer friend would tell her it would ruin her computer (like he told her about the desktop theme I made her... "It will crash your windows... it's not safe...")


(Note: when this girl wanted to uninstall a program, she just started deleting folders wily-nily... and then wondered why her system got pooched)

[Tyke91]

You know, I can believe that. I had a friend who was hardcore into local BBS'ing. Then she lost access to a computer. Later on, the web became big, and she still wasn't on it. If another friend and I were discussing interesting web sites, she'd get all huffy about it.

Now that she has a computer, she's on the web. But we're not really friends anymore

She was the kind of person who can be summed up like so: No one could have it worse than her... but heaven forbid if you have it better than her.

She's so hard done by...

She probably wouldn't like linux. And her other computer friend would tell her it would ruin her computer (like he told her about the desktop theme I made her... "It will crash your windows... it's not safe...")


(Note: when this girl wanted to uninstall a program, she just started deleting folders wily-nily... and then wondered why her system got pooched)

I know right? This guy doesn't even know the difference between hard disk space and RAM, and he always asks me computer questions... but he will not *sink down* to using linux, whatever that means...

funny tho... this is the person who first introduced me to firefox... so you'd think he'd be more up on teh open source.

[sci-fi guy]

funny tho... this is the person who first introduced me to firefox... so you'd think he'd be more up on teh open source.

I found Firefox before I knew what open source was.

[Frak]

I found Firefox before I knew what open source was.
I bet a lot of people have done this.

[Steve413z]

Me: (standing infront of computer about to reinstall windows for them for the 5th time because it got so infested with spyware, and they don't want to use a program like deepfreeze) Maybe you should just run Ubuntu, you'll have less problems
Them: Windows works for me
Me: Well, I work too hard because of Windows

[GepettoBR]

I bet a lot of people have done this.

Myself included.

[charlemagne86]

i dunno if its "giving up" but here's what i got from a friend recently"

ubuntu!...umm...hmm....what's that?..Never heard of it....is it a new game?

[kiddo]

ubuntu!...umm...hmm....what's that?..Never heard of it....is it a new game?

Yeah, see, it's an awesome MMORPG (massively multiplayer online role playing game) where more than 8 million players assume roles of "hacker", "bug hunter", "translator", "level 70 bug necromancer" and so forth. It's REAL COOL! And it's free!

[wootah]

Originally Posted by Chilli Bob "Linux is full of viruses because you download it off the net."

and

"I knew a guy who installed Linux, and it broke his monitor."



WOW! That is some Linux! :O WOW!

Sorry I have nothing to add but, WOW! :lolflag:

You would be surprised what sending the wrong sync and refresh settings to an old CRT will do. It is possible. Also, hooping a graphics card can take LCD's along for the ride--as I have witnessed. One of my friends was using her landlord's computer and the fan on the card seized up, overheated and (I assume by sending bad video 'signals') took out the LCD too. When we tried the LCD on my machine, the LCD displayed a pure white screen that was divided into 4 squares by a thick black line. We couldn't even access the OSD (on screen display).

Either way, it was probably an older distribution of Linux using an older version of X, or maybe the monitor was on its last legs anyways :)

[bufsabre666]

I bet a lot of people have done this.

*cough cough* raises hand *cough cough*

well technically it was mozilla suite

[Portable_Jim]

I bet a lot of people have done this.
Me too.

Most people (meaning the average computer user) don't know what source code is, doesn't care whether it is open source or not. They just care that it is free. With Firefox they may like it because they are told it is more secure. - which they know from real life to be a good thing.

[Mr Tim]

Two reasons:
1) "I've been using windows all my life, why should I change now?"
and
2) "Linux is crap" "Which distribution have you used?" "What's a distribution?" I've had this one twice.

[Bubba64]

In a whining tone 1. It's to hard 2. It's beyond a regular users comprehension. Believe me as I tell you (in the voices of Hanz & Franz) if I can figure it out anybody can. 3. Why doesn't Linux work like MS.

[abuakel]

"WTF is Ubuntu.. what kind of name is that?
It sounds like some African voo doo ****"

^^ that's what I get my almost everyone at my school =/

[Bubba64]

"WTF is Ubuntu.. what kind of name is that?
It sounds like some African voo doo ****"

^^ that's what I get my almost everyone at my school =/

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=64+bit+java+Firefox+linux&btnG=Search
Nelson Mandela on the definition.

[Unix_Slayer]

The lamest excuse I heard was from this guy who said he couldn't find his porn fast enough. He misses those pop-ups. Jeez.... Did you ever hear people complain about not getting pop-ups. What a loser.

[Frak]

"It's sooo hard, its just tooo hard.

It makes me want to go poopy."

Says my congressman.

[Tomatz]

"It's sooo hard, its just tooo hard.

It makes me want to go poopy."

Says my congressman.


.....As Bill Gates removes the rubber glove.


:lolflag:

[GepettoBR]

Two reasons:
1) "I've been using windows all my life, why should I change now?"

"I've had AIDS all my life, why should I be treated now that they've found a way to cure me?"

[joninkrakow]

People are naturally suspicious of anything free, "get what you pay for" and so on. A natural instinct; doesn't make it any lamer in this case however.

Actually, when you consider that, in the Windows world, there is so much malware--trojans, etc, and spyware--all "avaliable" from "free" downloads, it is not surprising that Windows users would be downright terrified of downloading any free software. In fact, I know that, in the past, my Windows-using friends would watch me download and run free stuff on my Mac, and have virtual heart attacks that I _dared_ to do this! And with no "protection."

I'm not at all surprised at the FUD on this front--because it's well-deserved from the Windows side of the universe.

-Jon

[emshains]

"I fell disoriented without windows lags."

"It has two action-bars by default."

"Doesnt have IE."

"I dont like the name."

"Nobody else uses it."

"It doesnt look like windows."

[linuxd00]

one thin that really annoys me is when people try to blackmail the forum into helping them:

"Please help me with this prolem i have or else i'll delete ubuntu and go back to windows"

[bgreenaway]

"Firefox keeps updating."

"All I want to do is browse."

WTF!!!??? :confused:

[wannadumpwindows]

The ever classic "It's free it can't be worth using" argument.

[wannadumpwindows]

one thin that really annoys me is when people try to blackmail the forum into helping them:

"Please help me with this prolem i have or else i'll delete ubuntu and go back to windows"

If they're gonna act like that, let'em!

[GepettoBR]

"But I won't get all the important Microsoft updates if I'm not using Windows!"


If they're gonna act like that, let'em!

Seconded. We're better off without them.

[Spike-X]

It's beyond a regular users comprehension.

What, and Windows isn't?

[Tomatz]

"My computer is xp"

That is what one customer said looking rather puzzled.

[Robux the great]

My friend said (and I quote) "It's not windows"

He later gave up on the OS & bought a new laptop with Vista on it

He may be my friend but he is still a muppet

Regards

Rob

[will_in_wi]

"It doesn't run business critical applications like microsoft dynamics nav" which btw has no open source equivalent.

[AOZ]

"What am i supposed to do with all my anti-virus software?"

[bufsabre666]

"It's sooo hard, its just tooo hard.

It makes me want to go poopy."

Says my congressman.

frak i always knew you were lewis black

[Frak]

frak i always knew you were lewis black
How'd you know!?!?

Lewis Black provides most of my material ;)

[sci-fi guy]

"What am i supposed to do with all my anti-virus software?"

I can think (http://neil.fraser.name/hardware/lamp/) of a few (http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-Your-Own-Shuriken-Throwing-Stars-Our-of-Paper/) possibilities (http://stupidco.com/aol_throne_finished.html).

[Le-Froid]

"It doesn't even have notepad on it!"
"It's weird"

[oddin85]

picture comment one of my bro's friends left on his myspace: http://www.flickr.com/photos/27373994@N02/2554310312/sizes/o/ :lolflag:

[geddyprogshred]

too much of a luzorx

[diwas]

"I cannot open the DOS window...oh there is no DOS in here...did u just hear wat he said?"

"It cannot even play mp3 files..."

"Man, linux is not for me...i heard there are lots of programming to be done even for a simple task!"

[BlueSkyNIS]

picture comment one of my bro's friends left on his myspace: http://www.flickr.com/photos/27373994@N02/2554310312/sizes/o/ :lolflag:

LOL This is the BEST LOL

More details here. (http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000PSWZSC) :lolflag:

[Tomatz]

picture comment one of my bro's friends left on his myspace: http://www.flickr.com/photos/27373994@N02/2554310312/sizes/o/ :lolflag:

That made me crack up.

On a serious note. This is exactly what Microsoft want people to think. They want people to believe that windows IS the PC and not the truth, that it is just software.

It's sad really.

[GepettoBR]

I can think (http://neil.fraser.name/hardware/lamp/) of a few (http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-Your-Own-Shuriken-Throwing-Stars-Our-of-Paper/) possibilities (http://stupidco.com/aol_throne_finished.html).

This made me laugh so hard

[Catfish_lolipop]

"Linux takes the sport out of porn."

[bgjmo]

I'm sure I've heard someone saying somewhere once that they didn't want to use Linux because "it is illegal" and "made by hackers" (note the distortion of the word hacker, but hey ho).

you know i was talking about ubuntu at work one day and my boss made the comment... your a hacker... i didnt say anything, i just couldnt figure out why he would say that... now i know

[mkendall]

"linux Takes The Sport Out Of Porn."

Ha!

[Vicfred]

"windows is safer" -.-

[Phil Smith]

My lame reason:

Because I'd miss all of that c**p that V***a bundles on a desktop. I really love that stuff.... so much fun to delete, you know. What the heck, I think I'll just reformat c:.

Phil Smith
Duluth, GA

[slaming]

LAmest reason i've ever heard is "It's free, so it must be retarded"
did my mum have to pay for me no
does that make me retarded???

[sci-fi guy]

did my mum have to pay for me no
does that make me retarded???

I'm pretty sure raising a child isn't free. And there was the uncalculated cost of the inconveniences of pregnancy.

Anyway, if they don't want it for free, apply a professional-looking label to it and sell it to them (or direct them to a boxed set).

[slaming]

I'm pretty sure raising a child isn't free. And there was the uncalculated cost of the inconveniences of pregnancy.

Anyway, if they don't want it for free, apply a professional-looking label to it and sell it to them (or direct them to a boxed set).



yeah as to aposed on mine an orange cd with red writing say UBUNTU working on it

[Alucard-sama]

Maybe my OS isn't free as in speech (free license from my university) but 90% of the apps I run on top of it are-- and as you can see, pressing keys doesn't cause explorer to crash-- so I guess I feel justified.

No it can crash just as easily without any input.
OH SNAYYUP!

[Alucard-sama]

"I can't be bothered inputing my dial-up information all over again."
-Friend of mine [Reinstalls Winblowz a week later]

"It doesn't run my favourite applications [like Pidgin and Firefox]."
-Same friend

"It doesn't have any games on it"
-Guess who...

"It doesn't make sense."
-My sister

"It's gay."
-A different friend

[Robocoastie]

"It's not Windows??!!!!"

Heard that one a few days ago after a friend gave a pc away which we put Ubuntu on. She then tried to put a copy of windows from a friend of hers which of course didn't work. So I put Ubuntu back on it and said "Learn it, it's different, not harder, just different."

[flytripper]

Linux is for geeks

[Chianti]

"It's only a mental masturbation for programmers...!":lolflag:

-friend



"If it was good enough it would be in every pc and all companies would support it"

-same friend

[Tonyr63]

Poor peer to peer networking.

Who want to stuff around with fstab files when you can browse Network Neighbourhood or Map Network Drive.

Samba sucks.:)

[laurielegit]

Isn't it illegal like all free stuff.
-Ex-friend (He called capitalism good hence the ex)

[sci-fi guy]

-Ex-friend (He called capitalism good hence the ex)

Why? FOSS promotes capitalism in the sense that anybody can provide support for it (or code new features), rather that just the original author. This means that if the author wants to make money providing support, he/she needs to do a better job than the other people who want to make a living that way.

See Selling Free Software (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html)

[laurielegit]

Capitalism works, no denying it but there are better systems out there that are fairer. Anyway this isn't the thread for this topic.

[Canis familiaris]

"Linux is a piece of crap, stupid OS. That OS sucks where you have to type commands every time"

[Tomatz]

Capitalism works, no denying it but there are better systems out there that are fairer. Anyway this isn't the thread for this topic.

In theory yes. When you put human nature into the equation, no.

[Spike-X]

In theory yes. When you put human nature into the equation, no.
Just like Communism and/or Socialism, then?

[Tomatz]

Just like Communism and/or Socialism, then?

Communism yes but not socialism because that would be like saying conservatism is Nazism.

I'm a socialist anyway ;)

[GepettoBR]

Just like Communism and/or Socialism, then?

Precisely. In practice, capitalism has been the "best" regime mankind has experienced so far. In the words of Winston Churchill, Capitalism is the worst regime of all, except for all the others.

[GepettoBR]

Communism yes but not socialism because that would be like saying conservatism is Nazism.

I'm a socialist anyway ;)

Not to start a political discussion, but the socialist regimes of the twentieth century weren't that different from nazism, they all turned out totalitarian in the end.

Anyway, the distinction between socialism and communism is big and important. If I thought communism had any scrap of a chance of working in real life, I'd be a communist, but unfortunately, I am a strong believer in the darkness of Man's heart.

[Tomatz]

Not to start a political discussion, but the socialist regimes of the twentieth century weren't that different from nazism, they all turned out totalitarian in the end.

Anyway, the distinction between socialism and communism is big and important. If I thought communism had any scrap of a chance of working in real life, I'd be a communist, but unfortunately, I am a strong believer in the darkness of Man's heart.

Very true.

Which is why capitalism is our safest bet. ;)

[lukjad007]

Just remembered a classic excuse from a chap I used to work with. For the record, I've pretty much always evangelised Linux even though I didn't use it a great deal. I was in a discussion with a Unix sysadmin I used to work with, he was promoting FreeBSD and I was behind Linux.

The other bloke comes over, listens to us talk for a minute or two and then pronounces to us both, "there's no point in using either - anything that's free can't be worth using. If it was any good they'd be able to make money on it". With that he walked off with a smug grin on his face.
My teacher is like that. She says that she has been looking for years to get a video editing software. I tell here about Ubuntu Studio and Kino etc. and the first question was "How much does it cost." I said, it's free, and she said, "Oh, well, I'm not interested." Why? "Because anything that's free must not be good."

Another teacher of mine said: Linux is just a scam. Once they have enough people onboard they will force you to pay money."

*Sigh*

[RATM_Owns]

Lamest reasons I didn't hear in person:
http://www.biznix.org/whylinux/microsoft1.htm

Pretty much everything on this site:
http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2002.4.8.6013.33465.html

One wants to shut down the internet in the night and says it might be hard due to the time zones, but the "brilliant programmers at Microsoft" could pull it off.

[BlueSkyNIS]

From: http://www.biznix.org/whylinux/microsoft1.htm

Linux performance and scalability is architecturally limited in the 2.2 Kernel. Linux only supports 2 gigabytes (GB) of RAM on the x86 architecture,1 compared to 4 GB for Windows NT 4.0. The largest file size Linux supports is 2 GB versus 16 terabytes (TB) for Windows NT 4.0. The Linux SWAP file is limited to 128 MB. In addition, Linux does not support many of the modern operating system features that Windows NT 4.0 has pioneered such as asynchronous I/O, completion ports, and fine-grained kernel locks. These architecture constraints limit the ability of Linux to scale well past two processors.

I'm just curious... Was this real limitation of 2.2 kernel or all this is a lie?

[Tomatz]

From: http://www.biznix.org/whylinux/microsoft1.htm



I'm just curious... Was this real limitation of 2.2 kernel or all this is a lie?


<snip>

That was a while ago but i thought a 32bit os couldnt use more that 8gb of ram? So it is probably a lie...

I may be wrong though??

[Frak]

From: http://www.biznix.org/whylinux/microsoft1.htm



I'm just curious... Was this real limitation of 2.2 kernel or all this is a lie?
It was Cherry Picking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking).

Nearly all of their case studies were taking the worst possible configuration of Linux and letting that be their case study, and then taking NT and giving it the best configuration for that case study.

It's lying by ommision.

[sci-fi guy]

<snip>

That was a while ago but i thought a 32bit os couldnt use more that 8gb of ram? So it is probably a lie.

I think it's 4 GB.

[coolen]

Yes, it is 4.

[coolen]

I have no idea why a 32 bit kernel could only support 2GB RAM. I didn't use Linux all the way back then, but it's pretty much an intrinsic property of a 32 bit OS that it can utilise 4GB.

Either way, that is not the case with Linux today. The Linux kernel is definitely as powerful, capable, and feature-rich as NT, and the desktop is not far behind (if indeed you think it is behind at all).

[Frak]

I think it's 4 GB.
I think you're correct. I may be wrong, but x64 can support up to 16 exabytes last time I checked (though most don't, since, well, fat chance you have that much RAM, so its usually just 16TB)

Though, more memory can be used by x86 processors through Kernel and Userlevel drivers.

[coolen]

I think you're correct. I may be wrong, but x64 can support up to 16 exabytes last time I checked.

Though, more memory can be used by x86 processors through Kernel and Userlevel drivers.

I'm awaiting the day people start switching to 128 bit OSes out of necessity, because 64 bit can't access all of their memory.

[Frak]

I'm awaiting the day people start switching to 128 bit OSes out of necessity, because 64 bit can't access all of their memory.
:lolflag:

I forsee that within [or at least at the end of] this decade.

[coolen]

I'd say we're never going to need it, but I'm sure some brave company out there will produce an operating system requiring it...

[Frak]

I'd say we're never going to need it, but I'm sure some brave company out there will produce an operating system requiring it...
Skyscraper Paradise Perfect

(Windows Vista Ultimate)

[lukjad007]

Yes because notepad is the GREATEST text editor on the planet.

Paint is so kick butt that I cannot see using anything else.

My sarcasm.

Too subtle, man!

[Spike-X]

My teacher is like that. She says that she has been looking for years to get a video editing software. I tell here about Ubuntu Studio and Kino etc. and the first question was "How much does it cost." I said, it's free, and she said, "Oh, well, I'm not interested." Why? "Because anything that's free must not be good."


You should burn her a disc and charge her a hundred bucks for it. Then she'd be happy!

[lukjad007]

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Do That One ;). It Has A Funny Remark And A Excuse ;).
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[kiddo]

Ha! That's nothing! :twisted:
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ok, I cheated ;)

[coolen]

I actually like Paint. It's easier for simple things than the Gimp or PhotoShop. Luckily, I've discovered that KolourPaint does is a very suitable alternative. It's one of the first things I install on a new setup.

[abhilashkumar]

1. None of my friends use it?

2. linux?

3. isn't that what hackers use?

4. its full of viruses.

[RATM_Owns]

I still think we need a Wiki with an index of all of these so people can find the one that looks most like their excuse.

[daniel7860]

"it's free" true
"can't run ms office" not true
"most ppl use windows" true
"can't play games" not true


like a lot of u said: its free so it must suck.... thats the number 1 thing they say...........:guitar:

[JoshLukas]

A friend asked me, if I was so kind and show her how to ripp a cd and bring the compressed files to an usb stick. While I meantion why not to try Ubuntu, she said. I'm familiar with what I have (Windows). hehe

[sydbat]

"Linux? You realize I have a whole network to keep running and have to have something that works! I don't have time to tinker with toys!"

At a place I no longer work, this is what the 'network' guy told me when I asked him why he was always working on Windows network problems (daily). I aked why he didn't switch to a Linux network.

People like this, who have no idea, usually run small IT departments. He also looked like he still lived in his mothers basement...

[pjkoczan]

I think you're correct. I may be wrong, but x64 can support up to 16 exabytes last time I checked (though most don't, since, well, fat chance you have that much RAM, so its usually just 16TB)

Though, more memory can be used by x86 processors through Kernel and Userlevel drivers.

PAE/huge-memory kernels can have >4 GB of RAM for the system as a whole, but in a 32-bit OS, processes are limited to 4 GB of memory (or, rather, virtual memory). One of the main tangible advantages of a 64-bit OS is to be able to have huge memory processes.

[sci-fi guy]

I still think we need a Wiki with an index of all of these so people can find the one that looks most like their excuse.

Here (http://anti-fud.ecchi.ca/). Made by kiddo (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=6689) (he's a page back). I'm to lazy to go find the particular post, but the link is also in his sig.

[Zyphrexi]

"I couldn't get surround sound working"
or maybe it was some other weird sound thing
the guy actually recompiled the kernel several times and couldn't get it working still. I told him to do a modprobe -i.

he never thought of that because he never took the time to learn the basics, but apparently he learned enough to recompile the kernel...

my mom's opinion: everyone uses windows

my step-dad's opinion: I DON'T WANT LINUX!!! (it is a yell)

I think my mom would be ok with it, but my step-dad is an ogre.

[lukjad007]

But does it come with solitaire?

[meindian523]

Anytime I speak anything related to my computer,My dad:

I don't want to hear anything about Linux.Please,I'm happy with "my" Windows(as if anybody can "own" a Windows)

[meindian523]

But does it come with solitaire?

Yeah,it does.Applications>>Games>>AisleRiot Solitaire.

[lukjad007]

Yeah,it does.Applications>>Games>>AisleRiot Solitaire.
You're probably right. The only thing is that I am using Ubuntu Studio and that comes with no games.

[meindian523]

oh,ok.I think you can probably install them from the repos.IIRC,the package is gnome-games.

[nicol_bolas]

"Can't play games" he also complains that he can't use Yahoo! Instant Messager on Windows because of viruses; so I told he he could dual-boot and play games on Windows and instant message on Ubuntu. He agreed, it's amazing seeing as he was dual-booting Ubuntu when he found out his games don't work and got rid of it.

[meindian523]

Replace Y! with Pidgin.And games work,only you have to know where to find the tuorials for them.

[noneofthem]

I NEED my windows software...

[karellen]

I NEED my windows software...

this is actually true for some people, you know ;)

[Canis familiaris]

I NEED my windows software...

This is not a lame reason IMO.

Hmm... they can use Virtualbox.
But then not everbody likes to virtualise or has PC capable enough.

[Portable_Jim]

I NEED my windows software...
If virtualisation is possible (and it performs satisfactorily) then the reason is lame, as they can use Windows as a VM. If virtualisation does not work then dual booting might be possible (e.g. small hard drive). If both are not possible the software mgiht work in wine. If all three do not work, then I see it as a valid reason to stay with Windows.

P.S: You can mix the three options up (like putting wine first).- I knew that if I did not put this someone would comment on why wine is last, etc.

[karellen]

If virtualisation is possible (and it performs satisfactorily) then the reason is lame, as they can use Windows as a VM. If virtualisation does not work then dual booting might be possible (e.g. small hard drive). If both are not possible the software mgiht work in wine. If all three do not work, then I see it as a valid reason to stay with Windows.

P.S: You can mix the three options up (like putting wine first).- I knew that if I did not put this someone would comment on why wine is last, etc.




if they want/need to use Windows anyway why complicate with a VM instead of the real thing?

[Giant Speck]

if they want/need to use Windows anyway why complicate with a VM instead of the real thing?

Exactly. Dual-boot is the best way to go in that situation.

I mean, I'd rather have the real thing right there, and not some virtualization.

[Canis familiaris]

Exactly. Dual-boot is the best way to go in that situation.

I mean, I'd rather have the real thing right there, and not some virtualization.

Right. Virtualization does not let you play Games.:(

Though for rest of purposes Virtualization is great.

[rated727]

Windows is what I'm used to. ... and I reply, "At one time, I got used to banging my head against a brick wall. You'd be amazed at how wonderful it was when I switched to banging my head against a pillow."

If Vista was actually worth having ... why did Micor$oft reverse its position about quitting sales, support and updates for XP? The consumer public didn't want Vista!

[jeffus_il]

I'm a vegetarian and Ubuntu uses monkeys for testing purposes.

[rated727]

The "BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH" gives me time to take a coffee break while the IT geek fixes my Windows. I can't break Linux.

Caffine is my Vitamin C.

[Canis familiaris]

I'm a vegetarian and Ubuntu uses monkeys for testing purposes.


The "BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH" gives me time to take a coffee break while the IT geek fixes my Windows. I can't break Linux.

Caffine is my Vitamin C.

You are making these things up. Arent you? :lolflag:

[Portable_Jim]

if they want/need to use Windows anyway why complicate with a VM instead of the real thing?
VMs can provide advantages such as:


Speed (I have experienced a speed increase on my machine, and it has been reported a speed increase here (http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/virtualbox-16-new-features/#comment-48332), here (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4130157&postcount=5) and the first comment here (http://linuxhow2.com/Feature_Articles/VirtualBox_A_Review.html) to list some).
Security (I imagine it would be more secure as the host (e.g. Ubuntu) is the one connected to the netowkr & the VM traffic would get filtered by Ubuntu).

However, if they already have Windows on the machine and have gotten it set up fine (now that I think about it, they would have), you are probably right in saying that it would be too complex to switch them over, and a dual boot would be better.

[rated727]

I NEED my windows software...

If you are talking about major commercial Windows software, Linux offers programs that match or exceed nearly all and will read and write in the Windows program's format.

Small market targeted software (like to manage a dentists office) might only be made to run in Windows. To that I'll reply, "pass the wine."

[GepettoBR]

You are making these things up. Arent you? :lolflag:

Of course not! Didn't you know that all Ubuntu releases are tested on monkeys before actual PCs?

Geez, you'd think with a release named Gutsy Gibbon people would've caught on...

[Thisislaw]

"I don't like the look of Ubuntu."
"I can't run Windows Movie Maker."
These were from my friend who I was trying to help because of his endless problems with Windows.

[GepettoBR]

He should be happy to switch. WMM is the only video editor on the market that can manage to be worse than Kino.

[coolen]

I'm a vegetarian and Ubuntu uses monkeys for testing purposes.

Ubuntu can cook monkey?

[Thisislaw]

He should be happy to switch. WMM is the only video editor on the market that can manage to be worse than Kino.
I thought so as well.

[Orlsend]

"its too Hard"

[mangurt]

I can't play solitary on it......

[quinnten83]

Of course not! Didn't you know that all Ubuntu releases are tested on monkeys before actual PCs?

Geez, you'd think with a release named Gutsy Gibbon people would've caught on...

Actually they change to a different animal every six months. This is to insure that Ubuntu is completely compatible with, uh, nature...

[Prefix100]

I get the standard "It's Bad", with nothing else.

[farlander762]

75% of the drafting world uses AutoCAD (by AutoDesk) and regardless of what they say, alternatives aren't really compatible with AutoCAD.

-My dad, who complains constantly about the insane amounts of money he has to spend to keep 4 computers up to date with AutoCAD.

When I showed him a list of commercial CAD applications for Linux with examples on how each works his response was "I don't want to learn to use a new system."

OK, you win. He is 64 after all...

I still consider myself a Linux noob (maybe a noob+ at this point) but I am constantly amazed by the amount of reference material there is for Linux.

[adi_8079]

'Windows has a better memory management system...'

[GepettoBR]

'Windows has a better memory management system...'

Well, that's true. How can we expect a dedicated partition with a specially designed filesystem to compete with a fragmented paging file?

[k@e]

"It's annoying me"

combined with

"Pidgin does not fetch and remind birthdays from ICQ contacts' profiles."

[klange]

Some one of otherwise respectable standing on a forum I frequent made the following statements:
First off, when I suggested he use an Ubuntu Live CD while his Vista licensing woes were worked out, he said:
I'd sooner live without any technology then use Linux.
When prompted to supply reasons for his clear hatred of Linux, he responded as such:
I used it for a few hours once and didn't enjoy it one bit. I do not like it.


There's more, but I can't bear to quote it.

[L1_Human]

I commonly here the tired old "I don't have time to learn something new." This is usually fallowed by "Can you show me how to use {Generic Program of Choice}?".

Before i really became obsessed with computing i always wanted to try Linux mainly because all the books i saw had a silly looking penguin on the cover. So one day i bought the Linux Bible it came with Red Hat Linux 4.01 or something like that. I never did get it installed and i didn't touch Linux again until Fedora Core 6.

[L815]

The funniest I've heard is:
Where's spider solitaire?

[doorknob60]

"Free stuff is crap"

"I don't have any CD-R's"

[Lexicon101]

Now there's a guy with too much time on his hands :)

I'm guessing that wasn't time.

[CastilleV]

"Well, i'm a video gamer. And linux doesn't have that many games"
-My ex boyfriend/FWB.

That and I could see my dad trying to give me some BS reason that windows is some how magically better than linux. That man can go fornicate himself with an iron poll. *Rolls eyes*

Not to offend windows user, but I could never go back to windows.

[AndreiP1]

'cos there's somin else out there, named ''OS X''!

[robotman5]

"It doesnt have any games" Yes it does it comes with a Few:guitar:

[LittleLORDevil]

"Well, i'm a video gamer. And linux doesn't have that many games"
-My ex boyfriend/FWB.

That and I could see my dad trying to give me some BS reason that windows is some how magically better than linux. That man can go fornicate himself with an iron poll. *Rolls eyes*

Not to offend windows user, but I could never go back to windows.

Heh, hopefully not because of that statement.

[garyedwardjohnston]

Is not only that, I have another translation

"I dont want to read manuals that tell me how to do it myself and realize what a moron I am, I rather make poor descriptions over the phone to a foreign guy so I can yell at him and tell him what a moron he is cause he cannot figure it out over the phone while trying to decipher my redneck accent"

LMAO :lolflag:

[ingeva]

"It's annoying me"

What about this one?

"I'm a born loser. I can never finish anything. My life is a total failure, and I don't want to make yet another mistake."


I hear this kind of reasoning all the time, although a little less specific.

[jnw222]

windows is windows

confusing isn't it

911th post!

[tiachopvutru]

The funniest I've heard is:

Well, it's not like you couldn't install spider solitaire, though...

Or does it have to have a spider?

[Genius314]

"Why are you using Linux, that's the worst one"

"Ubuntu is a poor excuse for an operating system" (about a week later: "Ubuntu looks pretty cool." I doubt he ever installed it, though.)

"I tried linux back in the 90's and it didn't work."

"I didn't pay anything for Windows, either" (referring to the fact that it was included when they bought their computer.)

EDIT: Oh yeah, and...
"Linux still looks like Windows 9x" (or something like that)

[samlockart]

It can't support itself...

[xnostradamusx]

lack of supported application and games in wine,

lack of supported hardware

my atheros wireless doesnt work out of the box

when doing updates sometimes you will encounter problems

[RuleMaker]

Counter Strike doesn't work, to make the thing even worst it does work, that was really lame:)

[GepettoBR]

lack of supported application and games in wine,

lack of supported hardware

my atheros wireless doesnt work out of the box

when doing updates sometimes you will encounter problems

These are all perfectly valid reasons, what are they doing here?

[jnw222]

linux is way too fast

[ComputerHermit]

sweatyballs

[T2manner]

"It doesn't have Shockwave so I can't play games on Candystand."

[sci-fi guy]

"It doesn't have Shockwave so I can't play games on Candystand."

Win32 Firefox in WINE.

[jnw222]

you do not have to pay for it so it must be horrible (windows geek)

[Frak]

Win32 Firefox in WINE.
Shockwave plugin in Crossover Office. Uses native Firefox.

[wordman2]

Too stupid for Linux? Sorry. But I actually heard that....

[penguinsrock12]

It doesnt have a start button:confused:

[gjoellee]

.exe files doesn't work

[gjoellee]

"Linux is a piece of crap, stupid OS. That OS sucks where you have to type commands every time"

actually I am a little agree with that...i don't like that the user have to use the terminal (sooner or later its gonna happen)...I want to use the terminal as often as Windows users are using CMD! (no position taken, I am just thinking of user-friendliness)

[gjoellee]

you do not have to pay for it so it must be horrible (windows geek)


is that guy using something you can download free? (like Firefox, MSN, GIMP, flashplayer) ...then it must be horrble:popcorn:

[s3kt0r]

last ones i heard:

"i don't like m$-do$ clones" and "searching for how to work with [linux] it is boring"

------------

In this thread, there are some of the lamest and worst excuses i ever heard, thanks a lot, i laughed my *** off, but that wiki thing, anti foss/linux, that could work.
greetz,

[Barrucadu]

"Is it free? Well, we all know the definition of 'free' don't we? It is something OF NO VALUE."

[meindian523]

actually I am a little agree with that...i don't like that the user have to use the terminal (sooner or later its gonna happen)...I want to use the terminal as often as Windows users are using CMD! (no position taken, I am just thinking of user-friendliness)
Here,it's instructive to read billgoldberg's sig:"The only intuitive interface is the nipple,after that,it's all learned":-P

[Camilia]

Well, I am having problems getting started with thunderbird, for it didn't download as the instructions said it would. Thus feel windows xp is more user friendly than ubuntu.

[meindian523]

This is not a support thread.Did you use Synaptic?

[DraconPern]

Ok, page 1, 2, 3 is great, but this thread quickly went off topic... Why are all the threads like this on the forums!?

Here's my contribution:
"I just delegate now"

[sstusick]

Well, I am having problems getting started with thunderbird, for it didn't download as the instructions said it would. Thus feel windows xp is more user friendly than ubuntu.Just open the terminal and copy and paste this into it: sudo apt-get install thunderbird

[thumper13]

Here's my experience.

Me: Ubuntu is safe, secure, and it costs less than Vista.
Mom: Wow, this sounds like a good program, where do i get it?
Me: www.ubuntu.org
Mom: ubuntu LINUX? Isn't linux for computer geeks and hackers?
Me: Am I a computer geek or hacker?
Mom: No, but you don't use it, do you?
Me: I am right now
Mom: but it won't connect to msn, its a microsoft program.
Me: I am on MSN right now, aren't I?
Mom: Sounds illegal to me, no thanks.

Here we have it, every person that uses Linux is breaking the law. Mama knows best :)

[deluser]

Using Linux *IS* stealing.

My ******* coworker on Linux supposedly infringing on Microsoft patends

[Twitch6000]

I just heard this yesterday and laugh till I hurt.
''Because its gay''
''Because windows doesn't have a gay penguin''

I asked him if he even tried it and he said no,but he did watch a few youtube videos and that was enough LOL.

After that I went to the bathroom.

[GepettoBR]

I just heard this yesterday and laugh till I hurt.
''Because its gay''
''Because windows doesn't have a gay penguin''

I asked him if he even tried it and he said no,but he did watch a few youtube videos and that was enough LOL.

After that I went to the bathroom.

Wait, so a penguin is gayer than a fluttering rainbow?

I really don't get it when people dismiss stuff as "gay" like it's an inherently negative quality. It's almost like they fear they'll be contaminated and turn into Elton John... You know, that would actually be pretty darn cool - unfortunately, my girlfriend would probably frown upon that. Anyways, epic fail for prosopopean homophobes.

[airtonix]

Current state of affairs with mediocracy drives me to despair. i can assure you my next workplace will force me to use windows.

It's also the color of chocolate. :)
Trivia: Poop is brown because of dead blood cells.

[vheisssu]

I wasn't motivated to move to Linux until Dell stopped packaging their laptops with XP, soon before I decided to get a laptop. After trying Vista, I was ready for a new status quo.

I'm still trying to get my ******* wireless card working, but I bet you I'm gonna be really happy when I do.

My only reason for not uninstalling Vista completely is Excel and Word. Especially Excel. OOo Spreadsheet is good for normal spreadsheets but not the ones I need to cook up for school (or at least, I haven't found the features I need yet). For Word the only thing is the equation editor. I need to be able to switch between the computers at school and my laptop seamlessly. OOo will save eq's as images, but that eliminates the ability to do last minute edits. That being said, I LOVE the equation editor on OOo.

[bemular]

Some of my friends think Linux is all Terminal, as they're used to see users play around that black box screen.


But most of who I talk with just thinks there's no (if not few and lame) games in Linux.

[billgoldberg]

Here's my experience.

Me: Ubuntu is safe, secure, and it costs less than Vista.
Mom: Wow, this sounds like a good program, where do i get it?
Me: www.ubuntu.org
Mom: ubuntu LINUX? Isn't linux for computer geeks and hackers?
Me: Am I a computer geek or hacker?
Mom: No, but you don't use it, do you?
Me: I am right now
Mom: but it won't connect to msn, its a microsoft program.
Me: I am on MSN right now, aren't I?
Mom: Sounds illegal to me, no thanks.

Here we have it, every person that uses Linux is breaking the law. Mama knows best :)

I'm sure you mean ubuntu.com, there's not much going on on ubuntu.org.

[GepettoBR]

I'm sure you mean ubuntu.com, there's not much going on on ubuntu.org.

And ubuntulinux.org redirects to ubuntu.com.

[sci-fi guy]

And ubuntulinux.org redirects to ubuntu.com.

But ubuntu.org does not. I call dibs.

[wordman2]

OMG! I have to add my own lame-{...} reason now....(!)
I was too lazy to figure out how to get IE Explorer working (if u can) so I can test webpages I write. Here is why it is lame AND why I am going back to Hardy/Heron TONIGHT! I use Bluefish, Filezilla and the Gimp with Xara Extreme in Linux to web design, and using many desktops makes this work so much beter than Dreamweaver....using DW this last two weeks and having to deal with it crashing over and over, IE crashing repeatedly, and clearing out viri every day....AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! I'm coming back and probably cracking the windows cds to be sure I don't flip flop again!

[GepettoBR]

OMG! I have to add my own lame-{...} reason now....(!)
I was too lazy to figure out how to get IE Explorer working (if u can) so I can test webpages I write. Here is why it is lame AND why I am going back to Hardy/Heron TONIGHT! I use Bluefish, Filezilla and the Gimp with Xara Extreme in Linux to web design, and using many desktops makes this work so much beter than Dreamweaver....using DW this last two weeks and having to deal with it crashing over and over, IE crashing repeatedly, and clearing out viri every day....AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! I'm coming back and probably cracking the windows cds to be sure I don't flip flop again!

Great, now close your eyes slowly and take a deep breath.

[Luna.jp]

OMG! I have to add my own lame-{...} reason now....(!)
I was too lazy to figure out how to get IE Explorer working (if u can) so I can test webpages I write. Here is why it is lame AND why I am going back to Hardy/Heron TONIGHT! I use Bluefish, Filezilla and the Gimp with Xara Extreme in Linux to web design, and using many desktops makes this work so much beter than Dreamweaver....using DW this last two weeks and having to deal with it crashing over and over, IE crashing repeatedly, and clearing out viri every day....AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! I'm coming back and probably cracking the windows cds to be sure I don't flip flop again!

http://browsershots.org/

[fahadsadah]

Windows doesn't have "rm -rf /*"

[Garratt]

Yeah, I was just going to say that Windows is 'free' too.

yea i have never payed for a genuine copy of windows before... so i never got the whole "we love linux" gang... that was until i started using it a month ago, never tried it before that but had friends in IT industry who always harped on about it. But yea once you make a descision to try to get your head around it, then its game over windows...

but fact is people are lazy. so unfortunately I doubt the general population will EVER be converted. even if Linux surpases MS x1000 in tech... its still not going to be popular cause lazy asses, who don't do anything bar surf the net and listen to music don't want to have to learn a new OS...


But then the thought of millions of morons going out and buying MAC's just because of the apple vs pc add just popped in my head.

mmmmm....

[Garratt]

>One click of the mouse versus twenty on a keyboard. I wonder which is easier? >Granted this isn't always the case, but a GUI is very useful and saves a lot of >time.

I've never seen a GUI program that only requires one mouse click. I do agree that GUIs are useful, but as for saving time, give me the terminal.

Yea i was watching my teacher use VI today (he's been a unix hack for 30+years... well at least programming for 30+)

simply amazing tho, you can not argue that notepad is ever better than vi, just because notepad takes 5 minutes to get your head around and VI might take 3 months... you still need to look at the outcome:

if taking 3 months to learn VI will improve any typing, coding etc you do by 50% for the next 50+ years then isn't it worth it?

time saved is time spent or some such....

but yea...genius watching this guy flop out 200 lines of code in a couple mins

[Sorivenul]

My wife:
Just because you use it doesn't mean I have to.

[klange]

Windows doesn't have "rm -rf /*"

del c: should do the trick.

[Spike-X]

My wife:
Just because you use it doesn't mean I have to.
She does have a point.

Just because everyone else uses Windows doesn't mean we have to, so why not the other way around?

[Sesetamhet]

Isn't that for "computer people"?

[fahadsadah]

del c: should do the trick.

That won't get rid of C:\WINDOWS, which the person who said the "Windows doesn't have rm -rf /*" takes consolation in.

He used Ubuntu, but once, when I was pissed off at him, I ran rm -rfv /*. He came back to his machine, to find a terminal with no decoration on a white background. He's never touched linux since

[BlueSkyNIS]

That won't get rid of C:\WINDOWS, which the person who said the "Windows doesn't have rm -rf /*" takes consolation in.

He used Ubuntu, but once, when I was pissed off at him, I ran rm -rfv /*. He came back to his machine, to find a terminal with no decoration on a white background. He's never touched linux since

Shame on you for doing that! [-X

[Garratt]

del c: should do the trick.

open cmd...

cd\

format C:

"This will format the following partitions and any data on disk will be erased are you sure you want to continue?" Y/N

"Windows will now attempt to restart the computer and unmount drive. Continue?" Y/N



u evil basturd

[cybernet]

No Notepad or Paint.

is the stupid think that i ever heard

is like you're saying that counter-strike 1.6 doesn't have the Superman in the game :lolflag:

* Sorry for my bad english and i think you got the point

[BrokenBrick]

I set up AIM 5.9 through wine . Have not been able to get sound in AIM though:confused:

Why would you want AIM to have sound? I always turn all the sounds off anyways they are annoying

[Deinumite]

"Windows just works, I'd have to spend too long setting Linux up"

Pretty much works out of the box i have found...

[Matthewthegreat]

"Linux is only for people who don't have to work" - my brother

[nolimit974]

"Linux is a hacking program"

[buu700]

"I don't have any programming experience, so it's too hard to use (Feisty)."

[Spike-X]

"Windows just works, I'd have to spend too long setting Linux up"


I'm guessing this person has never installed Windows from scratch.

[Alnird]

"I know Vista takes up a lot of power from the computer, but I like the style so I run it anyway!" - A defender in my indoor bandy team, whom I've known since we were like 4 years old. The thing with this guy is that he's very reasonable with pretty much anything, exept style, he's a total style-fagot..

Typical example is that he saw a new mobile phone that was turned off at the picture, and he was not intressted at all. Two days later he saw another picture where the phone was turned on and had a fancy bakground with pretty colours and a clock, he wanted it so bad he could hardly wait.

Or maybe this one from one of my classmates: "But when we simulated Ubuntu on our 2 year old school-laptops it was so slow!"

[Ramalan]

"I'm too dumb." -My friend

At least he's honest eh? :lolflag:

[Felson]

Wow. Took the better part of a week to read through all that (while working)...
My lame reason for not switching out my wife.
"I can't get Yahoo messenger to do Voice/Vid"
Yes, there are "other" options. But getting everyone she chats with to switch to another service doesn't make sense. But other then that, I have switched her out to Firefox and Open Office. So, once I find a way to switch her messenger out, then I can change her OS on her.

[sci-fi guy]

"But when we simulated Ubuntu on our 2 year old school-laptops it was so slow!"
Simulated? Is this a LiveCD or a VM? Or a LiveCD in a VM? Whichever way it is, it's gonna be slow.

Wow. Took the better part of a week to read through all that (while working)...

Try the "You know you're a geek when... (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=86237)" thread.

[Felson]

@sci-fi guy
LOL I guess reading all these posts qualifies as an entry there as well... :D
Thanks allot BTW. Thats another 371 pages I am to have to read... Will take me months. :p

[sci-fi guy]

@sci-fi guy
LOL I guess reading all these posts qualifies as an entry there as well... :D
Thanks allot BTW. Thats another 371 pages I am to have to read... Will take me months. :p

Just don't add 'reading this entire thread' to the list. It's been done way too many times.

[corney91]

Just don't add 'reading this entire thread' to the list. It's been done way too many times.

You'll realise that if you truely did read it all :p

[gardengxc]

its not from the u.s.a. it must be crap then. (really I have heard this one)

[dspari1]

"We have to use Microsoft Word in school."

How is that a lame excuse? I actually do have to use Microsoft Word, Excel, and Access in school and use features that can't be found in Open Office.

Moreover, the files don't always end up the same when I open it in Microsoft Office.

[god0fgod]

It boots slow... What? Source - http://www.godofgod.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=4212&p=4739#p4724

[Unanimated]

"The penguin is gay. [After seeing the really old version.]"
"I don't want to delete everything off my iPod."
"My iPod won't be able to update. [Not totally sure if that is true.]"
"I have to restart it every time it updates. [He's only see me update my kernel and download security fixes to the kernel.]"
"I don't want to download something to play MP3s. [Even though when you try to play one it comes up with the download.]"
-My Friend

[god0fgod]

lol What sort of friend is that? And you can update ipods.

[Bramkaandorp]

Lamest reason?

*I don't care, I don't know it, and don't want to know it either.*

That was really said to me.

Is that lame enough?

[richie42]

It can't use a webcam.
-My mom

(And for making presentations, Access sucks, is there a better one out there?)

[richie42]

Oh, when I get my own computer, I am getting a mac, because no offence, but I REALLY want Spore... And I only want it for the no viruses thing (no offence guys)

[Giant Speck]

Lamest reason?

*I don't care, I don't know it, and don't want to know it either.*

That was really said to me.

Is that lame enough?

That's not really lame.

[GepettoBR]

That's not really lame.

Yes, it's more around the lines of "utterly depressing". The appropriate answer to someone who says that about anything is "kill yourself", unless they follow up with a reason (my religion is against it, I have more pressing issues and no time to look into it, etc). Voluntary ignorance is just another way to be dead, anyways.

[hayre]

I may be about to give up.

Wanted to do development in C#.

(Used to Microsoft Visual Studio 2003/2005.)

Haven't yet found an IDE that comes very close.

Would like to use SharpDevelop, but I haven't found a Linux version.

Tried MonoDevelop. 1.0. It is not ready for prime time.

Tried loading MonoDevelop 1.9. Needs many many dependencies.

Both times I went down the path of loading those dependencies the computer started getting slower and slower and then things wouldn't open. When rebooted, X windows wouldn't come up (Stuck in RunState 1 or 2).

To use the power of MonoDevelop I believe I need Mono.Addins, GTK#, MonoDoc1.2.6 and of course you have to compile MonoDevelop last.

Never got past Mono.Addins which need Mono which needs pkg-config, glib2.4 and libgdiplus. Got those three, but then compiling mono broke it.

Going to try a third time, but not very but I am not very optimistic.

[ooobuntooo]

"WINE only runs stuff like Minesweeper unless you use Windows DLLs which is illegal"

-Found it on Digg

[Denestria]

I want try KDE so installed on Ubuntu and now splash screen shows Kubuntu I don't like it. OMG now going to reinstall!!11!!! This is so stupid!1!!! No wonder people use Windows!!!!!!!!!.

...

You can not be serious.

I don't know if they actually gave up on Linux or not, but is it wrong of me to hope they did? If you think a splash screen is worthy of this kind of reaction, please, for the sanity of everyone involved just go back to Windows.

[Spike-X]

"I have to restart it every time it updates. [He's only see me update my kernel and download security fixes to the kernel.]"

Like you don't have to do that with Windows?

[benzs_s]

In fairness, some of these 'lame' excuses aren't that lame. For a casual user windows really is easier than linux... some people don't want to put hours in to get a poxy buggy wireless driver to work; they just want to use their computer.

It's amazing how many linux zealots fail to accept that.

disclaimer: as a poor student I have more than enough incentive to use and continue using ubuntu, but I'm probably in the minority compared to the whole poplulation :P

[Lizard_King]

There are so many reasons, none of which are lame, you're lame.

1.If you use a bad setting, there's no way to fix it without reinstalling OS.
2.Very few of the programs I need will install with Wine.
3.I had a fast PC before installing Ubuntu, now I have a slow PC (very choppy) that locks up constantly.
4.I was very exited about Ubuntu, she let me down.
5.There are too many setting changes that could take days to fix.
6.No System Restore.
7.No repair options.
8.Too many things can and will go wrong.
9.You can't use a wireless router. (I think).
10.It will make you so mad you will want to smash your computer.

Here are 10 right off the top of my head. I plan on keeping Ubuntu, but there are a lot of problems with it.

P.S. Not enough Cow Bells.

[Thelasko]

There are so many reasons, none of which are lame, you're lame.

1.There's always a way to fix it, and don't tell me you have never reinstalled Windows. Ubuntu is way easier to install than Windows.
2.Valid. But are you sure there isn't a Linux alternative?
3.You have the wrong video driver installed
4.not a reason
5.Huh?
6.Recovery mode.
7.Recovery mode.
8.Not if you use the repositories, like you're supposed to.
9.I don't think the router matters, it's your card. 1/2 valid?
10.Windows never made you do that?

[Lizard_King]

1.There's always a way to fix it, and don't tell me you have never reinstalled Windows. Ubuntu is way easier to install than Windows.
2.Valid. But are you sure there isn't a Linux alternative?
3.You have the wrong video driver installed
4.not a reason
5.Huh?
6.Recovery mode.
7.Recovery mode.
8.Not if you use the repositories, like you're supposed to.
9.I don't think the router matters, it's your card. 1/2 valid?
10.Windows never made you do that?





1.True, Ubuntu is a lot easier to install, and yes, I have had to reinstall Windows, but not three times in the first three days.
2.I will check into that, thank you.
3.I will check into that as well, thank you.
4.That does not change the fact that she let me down.
5.I said THERE ARE TOO MANY SETTING CHANGES THAT COULD TAKE DAYS TO FIX.
6.My bad.
7.My bad.
8. I don't know what that means, but I will look into it.
9. So, I get half credit for that one?
10.No, Windows is where I discovered porn.

[Thelasko]

I'm willing to bet problems 1,2,6,7, and possibly 5 are because of my answer to 8.
8.Not if you use the repositories, like you're supposed to.

Here's how you do that. (http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/installingsoftware)

[Lizard_King]

Thank you, Thelasko, that was very helpful.

I think a lot of people give up on Ubuntu, or Linux, out of ignorance of the OS and how it functions. If it were easier to learn people would flock to it in droves. I'm an IT-CNS major at TCU and I find it very confusing.

[Thelasko]

I think a lot of people give up on Ubuntu, or Linux, out of ignorance of the OS and how it functions.
I've always thought there should be a video or slide show (http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/8074/) on the install CD that explains the concept of the repository system. I would say about half of the problems on this site are related to that.

[darth_indy]

I agree, Thelasko. Most people are used to having to Google for and then download an .exe to install a program. I was thrilled when I started in Ubuntu when I found the repositories - I could download nearly anything in one place, with no spy/adware worries, and I could uninstall and update everything from the same place as well.

It's simply another thing that people are used to doing the hard way, because that's the way Windows does it.

[collinp]

People are hard wired to think that Windows is better than anything else, and so they never switch, Generally, learning a OS is not hard. They are all hard to begin with, and no one knows Windows, or Mac, or Linux from the start. That could make the lamest reason i have heard:
"Its too hard!"

[GepettoBR]

In fairness, some of these 'lame' excuses aren't that lame. For a casual user windows really is easier than linux... some people don't want to put hours in to get a poxy buggy wireless driver to work; they just want to use their computer.

It's amazing how many linux zealots fail to accept that.

disclaimer: as a poor student I have more than enough incentive to use and continue using ubuntu, but I'm probably in the minority compared to the whole population :P

In my experience, Ubuntu deals with wireless cards much better than Windows. I've had two USB cards, and I had to compile the driver for both (one of them is supported out of the box in Hardy, but wasn't in Gutsy). However, they both worked perfectly after that, while under Windows (with the latest drivers from the manufacturer's website) they'd drop the connection every ten or fifteen minutes. As for internal cards in laptops, every one I tried a LiveCD on worked flawlessly.

It's really a matter of luck with Linux drivers - they tend to work better than Windows drivers if you give them enough time to mature, because of the open-source development model and the initial difficulties when manufacturers don't open the specs for their products, but for cutting-edge hardware you have a big chance of being let down. Of course, companies like Intel open specs for their products and allow for a rapid and satisfying driver development. In these cases, we can clearly see just how much Open Source code is superior to proprietary code.

Plus, in most cases compiling the driver is just a matter of going to a Terminal and cd /wherever/the/source/code/is
tar <file>
sudo su
<password>
./configure
make
make install
modprobe <driver>
Considering the sheer number of clicks you need to go through a Windows installer (not to mention having to cancel the automatic driver installer if you accidentally plug in the device at the wrong moment, which isn't a problem for Linux users), it's not really that troublesome, and it's certainly faster. Of course, if you do have to change anything in the makefiles or configurations before compiling the driver (even though it's just writing something to a text file) it can seem very overwhelming. When I did that for my D-Link DWA-140 I felt like a super L337 h4xx0r :lol:

[niccholaspage]

Ugh.I don't have a lame reason to give up on Ubuntu.
Why can't I just install Ubuntu and put a text file in and say to use sudo and gksudo for root access? That would be all my dad would need.

[meindian523]

If this is a support question,please put it in the Support Forums,and if not,please clarify as to what you mean...because the post is not very clear.

[GepettoBR]

Ugh.I don't have a lame reason to give up on Ubuntu.
Why can't I just install Ubuntu and put a text file in and say to use sudo and gksudo for root access? That would be all my dad would need.

If this is a support question,please put it in the Support Forums,and if not,please clarify as to what you mean...because the post is not very clear.

His post was quite clear to me... he meant what he said: that if new users were greeted with a little welcome file that explained how to use sudo and gksudo, many people (like his father) wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Ubuntu.

[darth_indy]

You know that annoying "Welcome to Windows" tutorial that pops up the first time you boot into Windows (or every time thereafter if you forget the checkbox (Or at least it did in Win2k and XP I dunno about Vista))? For new users, there should be an option for that in the install - an opt-in choice like "Please install a tutorial to use the first time I run Ubuntu." Then, when booting up, it wouldn't just pop up, but there would be an icon on the desktop titled "Tutorial" or something of the sort. Click on that, and a little animated paperclip would... I kid, I kid. No, you click on that, and it would give you a basic overview of things that trip up new users: installing programs, home vs. My Documents, sudo/root, what the pre-installed programs do (i.e. OpenOffice Writer = Word), etc. It wouldn't go into more advanced stuff like compiling your own program - that would scare people off. But it would explain what people need to get off the ground.

Do y'all think it's a bad idea/ I dunno, I'm just brainstorming out loud, so feel free to shout me down, or suggest something better. *shrugs*