What is the lamest reason for giving up on Ubuntu/Linux you've ever heard?

[NeoGreen]

"Hate the command line" or "I don't know how to use it"

[jken146]

"I don't know how to use it"

++

[RebounD11]

"Yahoo! Messenger doesn't run in Linux"
"StrongDC++ doesn't run in Linux"
"Winamp doesn't run in Linux"
"The windows-key [super key] doesn't work"
"Ctrl+Alt+Delete doesn't work"
"I can't install the programs I used in Windows"
".exe won't run on double-click"
"Looks awful"
"I can't play anything in Linux"
"Daemon Tools doesn't run in Linux"
"Can't find Run in the menus"
"Can't run CMD"
"Why do I have to use the terminal"
"I can't install Office"
"I can't partition my drive"
"I can't find C: drive"
"I can't use my anti-virus"
etc etc etc

Unfounded, contradictory and all came from my collegues (some from an IT&C faculty of the Politechnic University where I study).

[karellen]

I don't know, "lame" is a very subjective concept. what seems lame for me may seem damn serious and/or important or essential for somebody else...
so I'm not sure I can't tell what are those 'genuine' reasons that are lame indeed. or just our own prejudices

[RebounD11]

I think "lame" is expecting something familiar when trying something new and complaining about it when it isn't there. If you don't want anything new don't try it. These were all good reasons for not trying Linux (since you can go to an application developer's home page and see if that app has a Linux version) but if you try it and quit it give better reasons for quitting it (like "I don't like it", "It's not for me", "Windows/MacOS etc is better for me"...) not the lack of familiarity.

[wahr]

people, I have an idea. What if we combined the serious replies we get here in a wiki and work towards creating powerful, compelling answers to those insane "reasons"?

The goal is not to force linux upon everyone, but at least stop the FUD by allowing those interested in spreading the FOSS love, to have a knowledge base of good rethorics to work with.

Anyone with me? :) I can create a simple pmWiki space on my server if anyone is interested.

edit: as most people do not notice, I did create that wiki: http://anti-fud.ecchi.ca


That wiki is going on my sig. Fair warning, I often get +5 ratings on /.

[damien37]

Well, it's not really a "lame excuse", but I did get a lot of:

"you want me to try Linux? Sure, just give me the .exe and I'll give it a try"

thinking there's only Windows and applications for windows...

(of course, they would quickly back away once I told them they'd have to partition the hard drive and do other "dangerous" things)

[Xyhthyx]

"It doesn't play sounds when I click"

[GepettoBR]

What's with all the people all of a sudden thinking that all the CLI-related dismissals are lame? Windows and OSX allow the average user to do everything he'd want on a day-to-day basis via GUIs. PDAs, cellphones, videogames and all other sorts of electronic paraphernalia all dispense the use of command lines unless you're doing a maintenance job on them. I know that you have much more control over your machine if you can work your own scripts on it, but the average Joe is absolutely right to want a GUI. "I don't want to use the command line" is not a lame reason, it's the best reason why people won't use Linux. We're faced with the Terminal every ten minutes when using Ubuntu. Linux OSes, with the possible exception of gOS, are all extremely user unfriendly and the Terminal plays a much larger role in that than the comparative lack of hardware support.

I have no doubt that Linux has the potential to be absolutely superior to windows...but only if you know how to manipulate it. It's like owning a car, unless you know how to work under the hood it will slowly break down into a pile of junk. (ok lame example, but you know what I mean)

Your example seems to be based on the assumption that everyone is born knowing how to drive a Windows PC or a Mac. If we had to compare OSes to cars, Windows would be stick shift, OS X would be an automatic and Linux would be a dual-shift Lada which you buy in pieces and need to assemble. Don't blame people for preferring Volkswagen when you're selling them junk with F1 potential. That's how outside people see Linux, and they have a point.

[Jojan]

I've herd someone say that he didn't use Linux because it is an illegal OS. I said it's wasn't, "It's just free and working good".

[popch]

Windows and OSX allow the average user to do everything he'd want on a day-to-day basis via GUIs. PDAs, cellphones, videogames and all other sorts of electronic paraphernalia all dispense the use of command lines unless you're doing a maintenance job on them. (...) "I don't want to use the command line" is not a lame reason, it's the best reason why people won't use Linux. We're faced with the Terminal every ten minutes when using Ubuntu. .

With all respect: what distribution of Linux and what version are you talking about?

I am running Ubuntu 7.10, used SuSe Linux 10.0 (I believe) before that, and used the CLI for doing maintenance jobs only, and then but rarely and more because I found doing so kind of easier.

Of course, I do use the CLI from time to time, but not because I have to but because I find some things easier to do from there.

"I do not want the CLI" is as far as I am concerned kind of spurious because there are Linux distributions in which you use the CLI about as often as you do in Windows.

[stalker145]

What's with all the people all of a sudden thinking that all the CLI-related dismissals are lame? Windows and OSX allow the average user to do everything he'd want on a day-to-day basis via GUIs...
<Snip>
"I don't want to use the command line" is not a lame reason, it's the best reason why people won't use Linux. We're faced with the Terminal every ten minutes when using Ubuntu. Linux OSes, with the possible exception of gOS, are all extremely user unfriendly and the Terminal plays a much larger role in that than the comparative lack of hardware support.

Ya' know, I haven't had to use the CLI for anything since Dapper. Even then, I could have used GEdit to alter my menu.lst file and I could have used one of the third-party installers to enable MP3/DVD suppport.

Much as Popch said, I use the CLI and often give instructions in CLI-ese because it's much quicker than telling someone to navigate to X~>Y~>Z~> and click the radio button, apply, OK.

Someone saying that they don't want to use Linux because they don't want to use the CLI in this day and age is a lame argument, no question. Windows users use the CLI as much as Linux users are "required" to.

If you feel that you are being required to use the CLI every 10 minutes, check with one of the more experienced users and, I'm sure, they will be able to show you a GUI way of accomplishing your task.

[djamu]

Well i'm not giving up on it, my servers & renderfarm run hapily & faster than windows does, but damn I miss that 2 pane file browser... OSX finder & the nautilus clone just sux..... apart of not being able to run Photoshop ... & please don't start about Gimp..... it's just... not a comparison for the tasks I need to do



my 5 cents

[alxlabs]

Ya' know, I haven't had to use the CLI for anything since Dapper. Even then, I could have used GEdit to alter my menu.lst file and I could have used one of the third-party installers to enable MP3/DVD suppport.

Much as Popch said, I use the CLI and often give instructions in CLI-ese because it's much quicker than telling someone to navigate to X~>Y~>Z~> and click the radio button, apply, OK.

Someone saying that they don't want to use Linux because they don't want to use the CLI in this day and age is a lame argument, no question. Windows users use the CLI as much as Linux users are "required" to.

If you feel that you are being required to use the CLI every 10 minutes, check with one of the more experienced users and, I'm sure, they will be able to show you a GUI way of accomplishing your task.

Not a 100% truth. I have to edit a conf file manually for every other s/w I install. Positively you don't need to type sudo vi /xxx/balh.conf if you need root previlegies to edit something - you can just log out then login as root from GUI (don't forget to enable root logins in user CP) I don't remember any case of manual file editing after installation of any s/w for Windows. Maybe there was 1...Compare it to every other time with Linux. On top of it - xsane/sane works only under root for my scanner, I just have to use sudo xsane every time I want to scan something. It just took me 4 hours to realize that scanner works - all I need is just to be root in order to use it. This is what I call user friendly interface as there is nothing to interface with when you plug same scanner into win machine.

[stalker145]

Not a 100% truth. I have to edit a conf file manually for every other s/w I install. Positively you don't need type sudo vi /xxx/balh.conf if you need root previlegies to edit something - you can just log out then login as root from GUI (don't forget to enable root logins in user CP) I don't remember any case of manual file editing after installation of any s/w for Windows. Maybe there was 1...Compare it to every other time with Linux. On top of it - xsane/sane works only under root for my scanner, I have to use sudo xsane every time I want to scan something. It just took me 4 hours to realize that scanner works, but I need to be root in order to use it. So you call this user-friendly?

Nice deflection and avoidance of my point. To answer your topic, I have not yet had to configure any files by hand if I was setting up a standard workstation. It's either good luck on my part, or bad on yours.

I pop in the install disc, reboot, run through everything, reboot and remove the disc, update, use Add/Remove to install my desired programs, and am done. Nothing special.

As for the scanner: I don't have one, don't need one, and probably won't get one. Ergo, I have no experience. I'm sorry. Have you asked around the forums about it?

[alxlabs]

Nice deflection and avoidance of my point. To answer your topic, I have not yet had to configure any files by hand if I was setting up a standard workstation. It's either good luck on my part, or bad on yours.

I pop in the install disc, reboot, run through everything, reboot and remove the disc, update, use Add/Remove to install my desired programs, and am done. Nothing special.


Really...Read this: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-cinelerra-in-ubuntu-gutsy-gibbon.html
Read the guide about how to install new NVidia drivers. Just a little hint - you need to boot (or stop X server) w/o X in order to install it. There is no other way to do this except running linux w/o gui for a while and doing everyhting from command line. You will need to recompile kernel after installation process is complete. There is nothing nearly that bad in win world.


As for the scanner: I don't have one, don't need one, and probably won't get one. Ergo, I have no experience. I'm sorry. Have you asked around the forums about it?
Yes, I ran the search by error message I was getting and after reading tons of information found that I'm not alone and there are others who face same problem with this given model and easiest solution is just to use sudo xsane.

[alxlabs]

PS I'm not saying that Windows is good. All I'm saying that Linux is better than Windows in terms of the security but worse in terms of usability. And an average dummy (at least as for the home machine) will have to spend some time/money when antivirus fails to detect a new virus (and this is really rare case) as opposite to the fact that he will give up linux 'cause recompiling the kernel for the new videocard is too much for him. Yes, I admit that linux usability as home desktop progressed a lot since 2001 when I tried to used it at home for the first time and gave up. But it is not nearly close to win, actually it is as far from it in terms of usability as windows is far from linux in terms of the security.

[stalker145]

Really...Read this: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-cinelerra-in-ubuntu-gutsy-gibbon.html
Read the guide about how to install new NVidia drivers. Just a little hint - you need to boot (or stop X server) w/o X in order to install it. There is no other way to do this except running linux w/o gui for a while and doing everyhting from command line. You will need to recompile kernel after installation process is complete. There is nothing nearly that bad in win world.

That was an interesting Cinelerra guide. I have no use for it, but I can see how someone would need to use the CLI if they needed that software.

As for the nVidia drivers: I'm glad I use an older FX5200 in both of my rigs. Restricted Driver Manager pops up when I boot the first time, tells me that I'm using a restricted driver, and I carry on. Nothing like that in a Win world.

Yes, I ran the search by error message I was getting and after reading tons of information found that I'm not alone and there are others who face same problem with this given model and easiest solution is just to use sudo xsane.

I guess this falls into the category of you having bad luck and me having good luck. As I'd mentioned, my personal experience was that there was no need to use the CLI. I did use my personal experience a number of times. I'm sorry that your experience hasn't been as stellar.

Hell, My wife decided to go out and buy a new printer without asking my opinion. She bought a Lexmark 5470 MFC that will not work in Ubuntu at this time. Talk about frustration after hours of googling, tons of tinkering, and a boatload of cursing. This was several months ago and I haven't touched it since.

Everyone has their issues and not all of them are the same. Just because one person has a problem does not mean that everyone will.

But then I digress. The topic I was referring to was mandatory use of the CLI.

[chris4585]

Originally Posted by Chilli Bob View Post
"I knew a guy who installed Linux, and it broke his monitor."

actually, this used to happen!
nowadays monitors are protected, but before that a wrong x-server configuration would blow up your monitor!

so thats why that monitor died... i gave my friend an old system i pretty much got for free and one of my monitors so he could use it, then a week later the monitor died

If you consider this a lame excuse then you must not use your computer for professional work. Some people have real lives and real uses for software. Again, this makes Linux users sound like pushy salesmen, "But but... it's BETTER!!!". Let me ask you, what is your favorite console video game? Let's say for the sake of argument that it is a first person shooter like Halo. How would you feel if a pushy N64 fanboy pushed Goldeneye 007 as an alternative?

to be honest i'd rather play golden eye 007 for the n64 than halo, and i'm not really a Nintendo fan, mainly because golden eye was sweet and i never played halo and i hate the xbox, i do agree with you though on this

[aysiu]

PS I'm not saying that Windows is good. All I'm saying that Linux is better than Windows in terms of the security but worse in terms of usability. And an average dummy (at least as for the home machine) will have to spend some time/money when antivirus fails to detect a new virus (and this is really rare case) as opposite to the fact that he will give up linux 'cause recompiling the kernel for the new videocard is too much for him. You're wrong, actually. Only 20% of forum members have had to recompile their kernels (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=643214). Another 30% chose to, and 45% have never even done it.

If you believe Linux is lacking in terms of usability, I'd suggest you read the reviews for the Eee PC (yes, even user reviews, not just the "professional" ones).

[alxlabs]

I guess this falls into the category of you having bad luck and me having good luck.

Exactly. You need some luck with your videocard. You need some luck with you printer. You need some luck with the s/w you choose - too much luck is required compared to win. You can install a typical typewritter desktop (including secure email and internet browsing) without having a big troubles (but you have to go thru the supported printers/scaner list first) and of course if you don't need to visit websites which do not work with firefox well. But troubles will start since the moment you want to do something more than that - for example nonlinear video editing. Yep, I've got cinelerra installed - its keep crashing..as well as all the other editors I tried when opening divx5 encoded file (however playback was fine). No one was able to help. Finally I managed to get kdenlive to work (but not cenelerra)..it just took me a week and even kdenlive is waaaaay behind Adobe premire (which worked straight out of the box btw) in terms of functionality. Another example - I like NFSpro game. I spend a night infront of the PC and got directx9 + wine installed. Somebody told me at one of the forums that NFSpro will work with dx9+wine. No, it does not. It crashes as soon as you make your selection in the menu and hit start....etc.

[alxlabs]

You're wrong, actually. Only 20% of forum members have had to recompile their kernels (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=643214). Another 30% chose to, and 45% have never even done it.

If you believe Linux is lacking in terms of usability, I'd suggest you read the reviews for the Eee PC (yes, even user reviews, not just the "professional" ones).
Reviews are reviewes and numbers are numbers - you can get any number out of anything and find logical grounds beyond it. There is a joke: what is the likelyhood to meet an alien on the street? Answer is 50% - you either meet it or not.

May be I've got a bad luck when I was selecting my printer and videocard. Maybe I'm one of 20% of the people did so. But I didn't have any issue under win with these h/w and I do in Linux. I had other problems with windows which forced me to switch to linux but these reasons were not the usability ones.

[aysiu]

Exactly. You need some luck with your videocard. You need some luck with you printer. You need some luck with the s/w you choose - too much luck is required compared to win. Not really. It's called doing research on compatibility. You don't buy an XBox game to play on a Playstation, and you don't buy an HD-DVD to play on a Blu-Ray player. Find a compatible card, and you should be fine. Better yet, buy Linux preinstalled. Most Windows users buy Windows preinstalled, so that's the only way to make a fair comparison. Reviews are reviewes and numbers are numbers - you can get any number out of anything and find logical grounds beyond it. There is a joke: what is the likelyhood to meet an alien on the street? Answer is 50% - you either meet it or not. Reviews and numbers mean more than unsubstantiated statements, though. All you've offered are your opinions backed by your own personal experience.

[alxlabs]

Not really. It's called doing research on compatibility. You don't buy an XBox game to play on a Playstation, and you don't buy an HD-DVD to play on a Blu-Ray player. Find a compatible card, and you should be fine. Better yet, buy Linux preinstalled. Most Windows users buy Windows preinstalled, so that's the only way to make a fair comparison.
Disagree. When I go to the store I can buy any printer I see; chances are next to nothing that it won't work with windows. I don't need to do any researh on compatibility (except interfaces - you can't use usb printer if you don't have usb connector at all) when I buy h/w for PC running Windows and I have to do research for Linux.

Reviews and numbers mean more than unsubstantiated statements, though. All you've offered are your opinions backed by your own personal experience.

Any review is a personal opinion backed up by personal experience.

[aysiu]

Disagree. When I go to the store I can buy any printer I see; chances are next to nothing that it won't work with windows. I don't need to do any researh on compatibility (except interfaces - you can't use usb printer if you don't have usb connector at all) when I buy h/w for PC running Windows and I have to do research for Linux. Windows has a larger user base. So what? That's all you're really saying. It has nothing to do with Linux being unfriendly or difficult to use. It's the hardware manufacturers--not Microsoft--who are supplying those video card drivers.

Any review is a personal opinion backed up by personal experience. Right. And you've cited only one review--your own. I'm asking you to read many reviews, which are more likely to approximate a true picture of what's going on.

[popch]

... When I go to the store I can buy any printer I see; chances are next to nothing that it won't work with windows. I don't need to do any researh on compatibility ...

There is no such product as a "Windows". There's Windows 95, 98, ME, SE, 2000, XP, Vista, 7. Chances are not all that slim that you will buy a printer which does not work well (or work at all) with any given Windows version.

Also, there's the slight issue of a very serviceable printer which can not be used any more with a more recent version of Windows.

If you think that installing Windows with all the required drivers is a snap, you are lucky but not very well informed.

Chances are not negligible that the PC you buy with your Windows installed either lacks the installation media or includes installation media which do not work.

It happened to me more than once that the officially included CD or DVD failed to install Windows at all. Installing a boxed Windows version worked all right, but then I had to hunt down all those drivers. I have not been able to find the original driver versions, and there remained stability and compatibility issues with a laptop I had originally bought with the very same Windows version.

[LaRoza]

Disagree. When I go to the store I can buy any printer I see; chances are next to nothing that it won't work with windows. I don't need to do any researh on compatibility (except interfaces - you can't use usb printer if you don't have usb connector at all) when I buy h/w for PC running Windows and I have to do research for Linux.

Any review is a personal opinion backed up by personal experience.

Strange. When I went to the store, I see many printers that work with Linux without a hitch. Of course, when Vista came out, you can't imagine how many complaints the stores got that their printer didn't work.

Recently, I bought a laptop. In the store, I saw many laptops and could tell by looking at the specs that if they would work. My laptop works fine with no problems with Linux.

If you don't know what you are buying, compatibility is an issue. Those that use older versions of Windows (after all, there is no reason to get a new computer everytime Windows is released), have great difficulty in finding hardware that works.

I find Linux easy to shop for. I have had no problems with my hardware. My webcam: perfect out of the box.

Of course, I could go find hardware that doesn't work, but why would I buy something I know won't work?

And in your case, why would you buy something you don't know about? You just trust it to work. That shows you don't really know what you are buying, so how are you making any decisions?

'That looks good" isn't the best way to shop for anything.

[klange]

apart of not being able to run Photoshop ... & please don't start about Gimp..... it's just... not a comparison for the tasks I need to do

For the love of all things worth loving, does anyone read posts concerning Wine? Especially the recent updates which had CS2 running near flawlessly. PS 7 has been running without any crashes for the past, what, 10 or 20 updates? Seriously, I will get really pissed off at the next person that says anything about not being able to use Photoshop, unless it's a serious complaint about a bug in Wine.

[aysiu]

By the way, even though the original poster probably intended this thread to be a list of "lame reasons," it's turned out to be another "Linux desktop readiness" thread, so I've moved it to Recurring Discussions.

[alxlabs]

Windows has a larger user base. So what? That's all you're really saying. It has nothing to do with Linux being unfriendly or difficult to use. It's the hardware manufacturers--not Microsoft--who are supplying those video card drivers.

It all depends how you define user-friendly. I'm not saying that linux is bad but I'm saying that an average user will consider most user-friendly system which will cause less hassle for him/her. Having a need to go thru the printer list before buying a printer is a hassle regardless what is the reason behind that. Name me one offline store I can go and get good selection of games for Linux comparable to the typical windows selection in an average store. This is another hassle for an average user and most of the people won't care what is the reason behind that. Ask my wife to give up videoconferencing thru skype and try to prove that this is for good.

[aysiu]

It all depends how you define user-friendly. Of course. That much we can agree on. I'm not saying that linux is bad but I'm saying that an average user will consider most user-friendly system which will cause less hassle for him/her. And most of the average users I've come across in life consider Windows to be a big hassle. They'd rather have a Mac. Having a need to go thru the printer list before buying a printer is a hassle regardless what is the reason behind that. Then complain to the manufacturers and tell them they're not user-friendly. Tell them to put a tux on the boxes of products that are compatible with Linux. After all, they put the blue smiley face on boxes of products that are compatible with Mac, and that ugly Windows logo on products that are compatible with Windows (or, more precisely, products for which they provide Windows drivers). It's true that users don't care about the reasons, but that doesn't mean the reasons aren't important. I can blame my car for crapping out on me if it runs out of gas, but the real blame should go to me for not filling it up with the gas it needs to run. That kind of blame just means I'm an uninformed user. Name me one offline store I can go and get good selection of games for Linux comparable to the typical windows selection in an average store. This is another hassle for an average user and most of the people won't care what is the reason behind that. And Windows giving unintelligible error messages or becoming malware infested is somehow not a hassle to these people? By the way, most people do not play high-end commercial computer games. They play low-end computer games like Solitaire or Tetris, or they buy a gaming console. Ask my wife to give up videoconferencing thru skype and try to prove that this is for good. I think your wife should just get an Eee PC, which has a built-in webcam and Skype already preinstalled.

[qazwsx]

Even my my computer illiterate sister (linux user btw) did research printers untill gave up and called me :lolflag:

I don't belive that people 99 % people just buys computer stuff without any consideration.

[aysiu]

I don't belive that people 99 % people just buys computer stuff without any consideration. Even barring the compatibility issue, most computer users (any OS) I know usually do some research (at the very least, some product reviews) on a product before buying it. It is, after all, their money, and they usually spend somewhere between US$100 and $400 per computer peripheral.

[alxlabs]

OK Just to separate issues :)

1. I had absolutely no single issue installing what is called "Ubuntu 7.10" - it worked seamlessly right out of the box, despite that there was no box :) I have no single reason to call this process non-user friendly.
2. I can see only following which may divert an average user back to win given that an average person don't know (and don't want to know) what is the difference between 3:2 and 3:3 and there is such thing as reverse 3:2. As well as an average person plays games on the game console, not PC
- Incompatible h/w.
- Need to visit websites do not work with firefox.
- there might be some s/w required which exist for windows and does not for linux.

So I would not consider myself an average person, however:

1. I have "almost" compatible h/w, by "almost" I mean that I've got it to work but it took entire weekend. I didn't have single issue with win. I can call installation process very unfriendly under Linux but this is due to lack of support for this given model for Linux.
2. I cannot find something comparable with Adobe Premiere Pro which I bought for $800 and which works straight from the box under windows. I tried to run it under wine - it does not work, but again it has nothing to do with linux. Reason is that Adobe does not support linux.
3. My family use videochatting thru skype and plays high-end commercial games on the PC. No comment.
4. I ran into HUGE security issue with windows with very bad consequences for me and for a LOT people thru me, so bad that I had to drop win.

Taking issues 2-3 into the account - I cannot use only linux for myself. Taking issue #4 - I won't use windows again unless I have no choice.

There is no good solution in my particular case. So far I'm using two machines - one with linux, other one with win. I want to get rid of win because of #4 and I cannot because of ##2-3.

I even had a chance to speak with project manager of one of the big hardware monsters - I've asked the guy why there are no linux drivers with this given product? Answer was that to have linux drivers they would have to hire a team of developers which will affect the cost of the R&D and this is all because of the few people like you (me, us) - there is simply no market right now (big enough) for them to seriously bother about linux drivers for $5 device. So far linux drivers are being developed for more expensive devices where small volume will produce noticable revenue.

At the end of the day we have typical consumer realizing that he has to buy $100 printer instead of $30 one just because he has linux at home. And this situation won't change till there will be enough marked made by linux users.. but there will be no big market made by linux users till slection of cheap junk hw which is capable working with linux will be way smaller than for win...this is chicken and egg problem.

[alxlabs]

Even barring the compatibility issue, most computer users (any OS) I know usually do some research (at the very least, some product reviews) on a product before buying it. It is, after all, their money, and they usually spend somewhere between US$100 and $400 per computer peripheral.

BTW most of the users I know don't even know that there might be incompatibility issue, they will go and buy printer promoted on sale when they need one.

[sstusick]

As a gay Linux user whenever I read "xyz is gay", I'm always like "yay!" then I realize, "oh wait, they meant that as an insult". I've gotten into the habit of associating gay with being cool and trendy.I wonder where the definition of "gay" became "bad." But I can't stand it's use to describe objects, either.

[sstusick]

I've herd someone say that he didn't use Linux because it is an illegal OS. I said it's wasn't, "It's just free and working good".
Why do people think Linux is an ILLEGAL OS? That makes no sense to me...:confused:

[shad0w_walker]

People think this because of the FUD machine and those stupid people that follow the cult of Steve Ballmer

[GepettoBR]

With all respect: what distribution of Linux and what version are you talking about?

I am running Ubuntu 7.10, used SuSe Linux 10.0 (I believe) before that, and used the CLI for doing maintenance jobs only, and then but rarely and more because I found doing so kind of easier.

Of course, I do use the CLI from time to time, but not because I have to but because I find some things easier to do from there.

"I do not want the CLI" is as far as I am concerned kind of spurious because there are Linux distributions in which you use the CLI about as often as you do in Windows.

After the system is set up, I'm sure the need to use the CLI is reduced quite a lot, but I've been using Gutsy for about three months now, and whenever I run into a problem setting something up (it took me three weeks to get my wireless ethernet working, and Compiz Fusion still breaks randomly, of which I know everyone has been warned so enough of that) all the solutions Google and the Ubuntu Forums have given me require the command line. Even to do something as simple as copy and paste a file to a root-owned folder, I need the command line to open Nautilus in superuser mode. Personally, I'm not annoyed by it - I actually find it a lot of fun, in spite of not understanding it fully - but it's easy to see why the regular user would be drawn away from it. And "as often as you do in Windows" means "not at all", since there is a GUI for every function in Windows even if it is third-party (and the Windows mentality is not to care about that). I don't think any Linux distro should try to achieve this, since I know very well how simple GUIs conflict directly with customization possibilities, and have opted to write scripts in Windows many times instead of the available GUIs, but simple tasks like opening a program in superuser mode shouldn't require the Terminal.

Even then, I could have used GEdit to alter my menu.lst file (...) Much as Popch said, I use the CLI and often give instructions in CLI-ese because it's much quicker than telling someone to navigate to X~>Y~>Z~> and click the radio button, apply, OK.

Someone saying that they don't want to use Linux because they don't want to use the CLI in this day and age is a lame argument, no question. Windows users use the CLI as much as Linux users are "required" to.


Editing menu.lst, fstab and other such configuration files can also be viewed as a cumbersome task by some. In fact, Windows users will dislike it for the same reason they dislike the Terminal and aleady avoid editing config files in Windows. To them, GUI>text. They don't understand why there isn't a simple, failproof way to edit montpoints, for example. There are simple GUIs that do it, but for some reason or another (annedoctal evidence warning) they all failed when I wanted to move my iPod mountpoint from /media to a subdirectory of my home folder, and editing fstab was the solution.

As for it being easier to give instructions in "CLI-ese", no argument there. Some times it it easier to do things in the CLI. For example, if I'm already using it for something else, cp, rm and mkdir are a lot faster than opening nautilus to do the same tasks. But I'm putting it in the viewpoint of a Windows or MAC-bred computer user, and they (especially the MAC user) don't want to hear about config files and Terminal commands. They want to navigate to X~>Y~>Z and click the radio button, apply, ok.

I said somewhere up there that I choose to use the CLI for many tasks under Windows. That's true for many people. The difference to Linux: I don't have to use the CLI if I want my task to work out every time. I use Linux because it's Free and Open software, and because it's much less of a resource hog than Windows XP (don't even mention Vista) but I simpathise with people who find it hard to use. If we wait around for everyone to become "smart enough", we will die waiting. MAC is user-perfect, Windows is familiar and Linux is a text-based OS. That's the general impression that you're not trying to change, but rather sweep under the carpet by calling it "lame". And blaming it on the big evil corporations that don't supply drivers doesn't change the fact that the compatibility problem does exist, the evil manufacturers are not evil, just smart enough to recognize a bad investment, and if we want to revert the situation, we have to make Linux a good investment for them - not the other way around.

[stalker145]

Editing menu.lst, fstab and other such configuration files can also be viewed as a cumbersome task by some. In fact, Windows users will dislike it for the same reason they dislike the Terminal and aleady avoid editing config files in Windows. To them, GUI>text. They don't understand why there isn't a simple, failproof way to edit montpoints, for example. There are simple GUIs that do it, but for some reason or another (annedoctal evidence warning) they all failed when I wanted to move my iPod mountpoint from /media to a subdirectory of my home folder, and editing fstab was the solution.

Emphasis mine.

You know, that is a very good point. For those users who absolutely must have a GUI of some sort for every task under the sun, maybe we should consider pointing them toward a project such as WebMin. Maybe that's overkill, but WebMin has an excellent HDD mount editing page as well as more extraneous functions than you can shake a stick at.

For something as simple as editing a config file, I don't use it, but I'm sure someone coming from one of those other OS's would appreciate how easy it is to change their systems.

[pjkoczan]

There is no good solution in my particular case. So far I'm using two machines - one with linux, other one with win. I want to get rid of win because of #4 and I cannot because of ##2-3.

You bring up a really interesting point. People looking at 2 options, one being familiar and another unfamiliar (like Windows and Linux, respectively, for example) will often go with the familiar option even though it may have flaws on par with or worse than the new option. It's the devil you know, I guess.

As an aside, you might consider dual-booting (if you can handle rebooting) or running virtual machines (if you need to run things in parallel) so you don't have to run two different machines.

To others commenting on the "xyz is gay" comments, you should do what one of my friends does. Whenever something says, "xyz is gay", he retorts, "I agree, I think xyz is FABULOUS!!!"

[Alberio]

At the end of the day we have typical consumer realizing that he has to buy $100 printer instead of $30 one just because he has linux at home. And this situation won't change till there will be enough marked made by linux users.. but there will be no big market made by linux users till slection of cheap junk hw which is capable working with linux will be way smaller than for win...this is chicken and egg problem.

not necessarily.

My father just bought a Canon Pixma MP970. It didn't come with linux drivers, and from my searches, is not yet supported.
The 960 is, but I've heard that using that driver for the 970 doesn't work too well.

[sstusick]

To others commenting on the "xyz is gay" comments, you should do what one of my friends does. Whenever something says, "xyz is gay", he retorts, "I agree, I think xyz is FABULOUS!!!"Good idea! :lolflag:

[sstusick]

not necessarily.

My father just bought a Canon Pixma MP970. It didn't come with linux drivers, and from my searches, is not yet supported.
The 960 is, but I've heard that using that driver for the 970 doesn't work too well.I buy Linux supported hardware, if the hardware doesn't' support Linux, I don't want it.

HP makes the best printers, IMO, and they support Linux (at least, I haven't had a problem).

[ryanVickers]

So true - I have a HP Photosmart C5180 (ink jet, colour scanner/printer combo) and it's been great:

Points about the Printer/HP:
I used to have an epson - it would run out of ink so fast if you used it, and if you didn't, it would stop working. Worst piece of **** ever.
This HP I have now, had it for over 6 months now, heavy usage, still not out of the original cartages. During the low or no usage months however, it would again work perfectly when used again. SO much better! :D
The quality of the images printed and scanned are also excellent. The text is almost as good as our old B&W laser printer, and really tiny, (even coloured fonts, even on coloured backgrounds), look very sharp!Points about Linux/Usage:
It was the easiest thing to set up EVER! I plugged it in. Installed HPLIP Toolbox, said "add printer", said it was on the LAN, it found it, I said yes, and it was done basically like that!
Printing and scanning has been very good and easy. And yes, you saw right, instead of using USB to one computer, I just put it on the LAN so everything can use it no matter what's on or off. Very nice! :DPoints about Windows/Usage:
It works, but just barely.
The software that comes with it is a piece of ****
The drivers are a monster and slowed it down SO much!! :mad:

[coolen]

Well, it's not really a "lame excuse", but I did get a lot of:

"you want me to try Linux? Sure, just give me the .exe and I'll give it a try"

thinking there's only Windows and applications for windows...

(of course, they would quickly back away once I told them they'd have to partition the hard drive and do other "dangerous" things)


You can give them an exe Ubuntu installer. It's called Wubi, and it's fairly small. The installer does fetch the torrent, though, but it makes it easy for you to distribute, and it even allows you to choose which version to install.

No partitioning, no discs :)


Also, in regard to the whole CLI issue, I started using Linux three years ago. I'd used the command line only back in the old days (back when you had to run a program from DOS...ahh, nostalgia) or when reinstalling Windows.

Now, I don't have to use the terminal, but I do for a lot of things. Not even a lot of obscure tasks. I often fire up the terminal to install a piece of software, because the GUI way is rather cumbersome in this case. I know exactly what I want to install, and I don't feel like scrolling to find it so I can select it then click apply then confirm. That's not a bad way of doing it, and I think that Synaptic is fantastic, but the command line is quicker and easier.

Also, it's been pointed out that instructing someone to perform a task through the command line is easier than the GUI way, for all parties. In Linux, I can highlight the relevant command, middle-click in the terminal window, and hit enter.

I'll agree that I wish there was a good GUI for some tasks (something to deal with fstab, for example), but using the terminal is not always a valid complaint, and most of the time, there is a GUI equivalent for the commands you're told to use.

[chips24]

"windows is good enough for me, i dont want to mess around with my computer."

[Northsider]

"windows is good enough for me, i dont want to mess around with my computer."

Well...what's wrong with that excuse? If it just works fine for some people...why bother messing around? Not everyone buys a car and wants to look under the hood and replace parts and such.

[sci-fi guy]

Well...what's wrong with that excuse? If it just works fine for some people...why bother messing around? Not everyone buys a car and wants to look under the hood and replace parts and such.

The problem is they often say this as you are fixing it.

[Northsider]

The problem is they often say this as you are fixing it.

I'm not saying people shouldn't open up the hood of the car, but people get "free" maintenance from their dealer often enough. Likewise, if running windows doesn't give you any problems, except for the occasional spyware attempt or crash...why not stick with what works?

I know A LOT of people that would rather spend a few bucks for maintenance every so often (or get a friend to do it) than try to learn Linux.

[Quillz]

"windows is good enough for me, i dont want to mess around with my computer."
That's a completely valid reason. A lot of people really don't care all that much about what OS they use, so long as it can get done the things they need it to do.

Why is that Linux and its users proclaim to be all about choice and openness when it's clear that you are only allowed to "choose" what Linux distro you want?

[Northsider]

That's a completely valid reason. A lot of people really don't care all that much about what OS they use, so long as it can get done the things they need it to do.

Why is that Linux and its users proclaim to be all about choice and openness when it's clear that you are only allowed to "choose" what Linux distro you want?

I guess because Windows (and Mac?) are not really choices because the industry pretty much forces you to use them...

[cipher_nemo]

That's a completely valid reason. A lot of people really don't care all that much about what OS they use, so long as it can get done the things they need it to do.

Why is that Linux and its users proclaim to be all about choice and openness when it's clear that you are only allowed to "choose" what Linux distro you want?

I guess it depends upon what one defines as "mess around" with their PC. Would that mean getting into tweaking it, or using it as a PC to do something productive and/or creative?

'Messing around' is sort of vague. I'd have the user that said this define what they mean, lol.

[NightwishFan]

We don't download software in this house.. :|

](*,) I had a friend in America that was grounded for "downloading" a wallpaper picture.

[Superkoop]

"It would be too much work"
-she said after Windows had gotten three viruses consecutively in one week ending in two re installations... :roll:

"The little arrow looks different"

"The boot time would take too long probably"
-his desktop is ready to go in: 6+min; My my desktop is ready in 49sec.

:popcorn:

[sci-fi guy]

"The little arrow looks different"

How did you manage to survive the sheer shock that must have inflicted on you?

[Superkoop]

How did you manage to survive the sheer shock that must have inflicted on you?

When she had said that to me, I was explaining how I can run 64bit on the computer, and that she could do the same and really use her computer to the best of it's potential...and then she complains about the cursor!!! ](*,)

I went back to just showing her the wobbly windows.

[k2t0f12d]

These gems were given to me by an Instructor teaching Microsoft Office applications at Westwood College Online;

"Linux doesn't have a GUI."

"Setting up networking in Linux made my students cry."

[kiddo]

"Setting up networking in Linux made my students cry."

Well if he meant samba sharing, I'd understand that perfectly (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/32067).

[solitaire]

I've just spent £300 on a 3Gig Quadcore and 4Gb of ram to make my Vista run smooth why would i dump all that for Linux.....

- Post on Windows Fanboy website...

[djamu]

Luckily M$ came to aid > if anyone ever tried networking dutch ( or other non English ) Vista with English XP....
If Linux file sharing makes you cry, this makes you want to .....

[mr.propre]

I've just spent £300 on a 3Gig Quadcore and 4Gb of ram to make my Vista run smooth why would i dump all that for Linux.....

- Post on Windows Fanboy website...

How strange it may sounds, this is one of the reasons why I stay using Windows Vista on my desktop, it would be a shame to trow away all the money I spend on the windows vista upgrade cd.

However the change is real big that it was my last upgrade.
Next to that I use Windows for gaming and programming in Visual.net (damn school).

[coolen]

Dual boot. Imagine Linux on that machine :D

[coolen]

Well if he meant samba sharing, I'd understand that perfectly (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/32067).

Yeah, I can understand that perfectly. Ubuntu's Samba setup is really a pain.

[mr.propre]

Dual boot. Imagine Linux on that machine :D

Vista isn't a big fan of dual-boot machiens, it **** up the MBR records and after a while you can insert the Vista CD back in to repair it and start all over.

[coolen]

Wow. I heard someone going on about how Vista would write over an existing bootloader, but I figured that was just during the installation...

Vista really does suck that bad, then?

Oh, also, the email I got for your reply contained a swear word :D

[ShutItDown]

that Vista is better lol

[kga5]

"It's free":lolflag:

[Lysander10]

Wow. I heard someone going on about how Vista would write over an existing bootloader, but I figured that was just during the installation...

Vista really does suck that bad, then?

Oh, also, the email I got for your reply contained a swear word :D

Crap, Vista kept writing over Grub when I tried to install Ubuntu. I never mentioned it, though, because I thought it was just me doing something stupid...

[Trap_]

"Linux isn't and OS, silly"

[Joeb454]

In response to people saying Vista overwrites GRUB....I've had Ubuntu 7.10 and Vista (Home Premium) in a dual boot for > 4 months now...I'm still using the same GRUB I've been using since the start, it's never been overwritten, and I've never had any issues with Windows on here.

[roaldz]

"Linux isn't and OS, silly"

How STUPID some people can be! I read something once, he was claiming linux needs windows services... Sometimes I don´t think we want all those Windows n00bs getting Ubuntu... They´re not worth it!:P

[jpittack]

Linux is a kernel, so whoever Trap was talking to was right, although probably still misinformed.

[sci-fi guy]

In response to people saying Vista overwrites GRUB....I've had Ubuntu 7.10 and Vista (Home Premium) in a dual boot for > 4 months now...I'm still using the same GRUB I've been using since the start, it's never been overwritten, and I've never had any issues with Windows on here.

Ditto.

[akiratheoni]

In response to people saying Vista overwrites GRUB....I've had Ubuntu 7.10 and Vista (Home Premium) in a dual boot for > 4 months now...I'm still using the same GRUB I've been using since the start, it's never been overwritten, and I've never had any issues with Windows on here.

Same here, I've had it for like 7 or 8 months and I haven't had any issues with Vista randomly overwriting GRUB.

[sstusick]

How STUPID some people can be! I read something once, he was claiming linux needs windows services... Sometimes I don´t think we want all those Windows n00bs getting Ubuntu... They´re not worth it!:P
http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12355-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=31199&messageID=579806&start=43

:lolflag::lolflag::lolflag:

[Lysander10]

In response to people saying Vista overwrites GRUB....I've had Ubuntu 7.10 and Vista (Home Premium) in a dual boot for > 4 months now...I'm still using the same GRUB I've been using since the start, it's never been overwritten, and I've never had any issues with Windows on here.

Glad to here it. But apparently, it has happened to more than one of us.

[Lysander10]

Glad to here it. But apparently, it has happened to more than one of us.

But then, I also bought my notebook, that originally had Vista on it, only several days after Vista was officially released, so maybe it's a *bug* that's since been fixed.

[Konnerr]

" It is too hard i want windows back"
- Me as a linux noob x]

[Joeb454]

I actually got one of my friends to move to Ubuntu on one of his machines, then he moved to Fedora...said it was rubbish, and moved back to Ubuntu.

Kind of the opposite but hey.

Also my cousin once said "Linux sucks...I can't run Steam on it (to play CS:S / DoD)"

[mr.propre]

In response to people saying Vista overwrites GRUB....I've had Ubuntu 7.10 and Vista (Home Premium) in a dual boot for > 4 months now...I'm still using the same GRUB I've been using since the start, it's never been overwritten, and I've never had any issues with Windows on here.

Be happy about it, it still can, it worked great for me a few months and than it happened. I think some sort of update caused it, maybe I have now more luck.

Though, I didn't used GRUB.

[coolen]

How STUPID some people can be! I read something once, he was claiming linux needs windows services... Sometimes I don´t think we want all those Windows n00bs getting Ubuntu... They´re not worth it!:P

I'm fairly certain that those comments were made in jest. I went to his blog once...it was short, but he was either the dumbest person on the planet, or he had a decent sense of humour, and a lot of integrity.

[cipher_nemo]

Good catch coolen. I'd guess that he has a very dry sense of humor.

[coolen]

Actually, once you get over the initial shock, it was kind of amusing. Most of his comments seemed to be anti-Microsoft, which I think we can all appreciate. The great thing is he never slipped. If someone called him a moron, he just went and justified his original post with something more outrageous. As an avid user of sarcasm, I have to respect that.

[Lysander10]

Actually, once you get over the initial shock, it was kind of amusing. Most of his comments seemed to be anti-Microsoft, which I think we can all appreciate. The great thing is he never slipped. If someone called him a moron, he just went and justified his original post with something more outrageous. As an avid user of sarcasm, I have to respect that.

Could you post a link to this blog plz? I had it once, but I lost it...

[coolen]

Here's the blog of Jerry Lee Cooper, who posted the comment mentioned above:

http://jerryleecooper.com/

The first article should highlight pretty clearly that his commentary should not be taken seriously, on the grounds that he's either sarcastic or moronic.


Actually, upon closer inspection, this seems to be a collection of his works, not an actual blog. Still, you get a good idea.

[kenny1948]

It would seem Ubuntu is fine for doing some things, like general word processing etc. surfing the net. However it can't do anything else. Likewise many sites I use are not configured to work with Linux.Like banking, dealing with the state bureauracy. Maybe it's a USA thing. Or am I missing something, I unfortunately am not a computer geek.

I used to do a lot of Photo and Video editing with Windows. There don't seem to be any Linux programs that work very well for Graphics. And when I try to download anything I get error messages telling me "cannot fetch". People have told me to use a differn't source for these program downloads, however when I try. I likewise get other error messages telling me, that it is safest to download them from the Ubuntu. Synaptic package manager does not function at all. Just and empty icon.

[Jeanpaul145]

It would seem Ubuntu is fine for doing some things, like general word processing etc. surfing the net. However it can't do anything else. Likewise many sites I use are not configured to work with Linux.Like banking, dealing with the state bureauracy. Maybe it's a USA thing. Or am I missing something, I unfortunately am not a computer geek.


Oooh now that really IS a load of crap. I don't do any banking _outside_ of Linux, I don't trust the Redmond people too much:lolflag:

[Tomana]

at least you folks got a reply - I just get blank stares or the two that are know as shock :shock: and Awe 8-[

[w0ng]

Here's the blog of Jerry Lee Cooper, who posted the comment mentioned above:

http://jerryleecooper.com/

The first article should highlight pretty clearly that his commentary should not be taken seriously, on the grounds that he's either sarcastic or moronic.


Actually, upon closer inspection, this seems to be a collection of his works, not an actual blog. Still, you get a good idea.

HAHA I feel like such a nerd :). I haven't had a good laugh over something this geeky in a long while. He really oughta change the "About" section of his blog, to entice more idiots into posting "OMFG JERRY YOU @!*^#@^. YOU'RE SO STUPID AND I'M SO SMART. JERRY KNOWS NOTHING. PPL, LISTEN TO MY INGENIOUSNESS, NOT HIS STUPIDITY."

[coolen]

It's okay, we's smarterer than everyone else 'cause we's in the know!

[sci-fi guy]

It's okay, we's smarterer than everyone else 'cause we's in the know!

Informed != Intal...Inteleg...Smart

[cangrejoinmortal]

Neah... i can really understand the ppl not using linux/ubuntu because of various reasons i've seen listed here, in fact, the only thing that made me end up on this forum is that i needed some free&legal os FAST at the beginning of the summer...

But here's one reason for not using it that really got me laughing my head off:

"Ive seen some compitz videos on youtube, linux is for pussies who are addicted to eye candy and dont care about functionality, i mean who the hell would use multiple desktops?, - me (in a vey immodest, self-descriptive tone) - i'm rather the practical type, i like it minimalistic but very functional, like vista"

he later told me that linux users dont know how to do anything without their user interface, because there's no command line in linux....
when i asked how he got to that conclusion he told me that last time he was on a linux system he couldnt even find msdos...:lolflag:

c'mon! you are making this up

[Jeanpaul145]

c'mon! you are making this up

clearly, he must be:biggrin:
nobody on this earth is THAT misinformed, not even the redmond guys :lolflag:

[coolen]

Wow. Finally, a reason I hate more than the classic "Linux is not user friednly because it has a command line!"

Seems to me like a case of the Windows user too used to their own system being unable to cope in Linux.

[darth_indy]

It's case sensitive.

This one's from a friend who recently had to eat his words as he was sick of Vista, installed Ubuntu, and really really loves it. I loved it when he had to admit it was better.

[sci-fi guy]

It's case sensitive.

It's not a bug...It's a feature. (Literally)
Doesn't case-sensitivity allow exponentially more possible filenames?

[Jeanpaul145]

It's not a bug...It's a feature. (Literally)
Doesn't case-sensitivity allow exponentially more possible filenames?

filenames ,(consequently) more grep results, password combinations.:popcorn:

[cangrejoinmortal]

filenames ,(consequently) more grep results, password combinations.:popcorn:
Don't forget its a little bit easier to implement,

[BlowflyBob]

Here's the blog of Jerry Lee Cooper, who posted the comment mentioned above:

http://jerryleecooper.com/

The first article should highlight pretty clearly that his commentary should not be taken seriously, on the grounds that he's either sarcastic or moronic.


Actually, upon closer inspection, this seems to be a collection of his works, not an actual blog. Still, you get a good idea.

That is a damn good read. I was in tears reading the comments, god some people are gullible.

[NightwishFan]

I severely hate the classic, Microsoft is a good company, and if it is free It cannot be good. FOSS is different than freeware. Go try some random freeware app and then install The Gimp or OO.o

That is the difference.

[nativehound]

It's geekware.... :P

[NightwishFan]

You should license that under the gnu gpl.
Linux geekware. :KS:popcorn::KS

[PawnerGaSp]

Okay, here really isn't an excuse any more but i bet it has been used more than once...

"Wait - Linux is free?!"
- A friend when i told him that Ubuntu was free...I am still trying to get him to install Ubuntu on his computer one way or another. He still hasn't asked me if it supports games = D

"I don't think my computer could run it"
- The last friend and a few others, all running xp - xp pro

[prshah]

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=720088

Well he hasn't given it up yet... but...

Cheers,
PRShah

[sci-fi guy]

Linux Geekwear. :KS:popcorn::KS

Thinkgeek has this covered.

[NightwishFan]

T_T thats a different word but I see what you mean.

[OZFive]

I do not know if anyone has posted this ye here, (60 pages is a long read), I found this here.... http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4487545&postcount=5 but this is the most ridiculous thing here...

I finally figured out why the Ubuntu logo is a weird circle thing today. It all comes down to the image that scared me away from Ubuntu to begin with. (and is to this day why I never plan to install regular Ubuntu)
http://dosnlinux.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/300px-ubuntu-logo_ohne_schriftzugsvg.png?w=140&h=140 http://dosnlinux.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/ubuntu_people.jpg
http://dosnlinux.wordpress.com/2007/02/20/the-ubuntu-logo/

[prshah]

I do not know if anyone has posted this ye here, (60 pages is a long read), I found this here.... http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4487545&postcount=5 but this is the most ridiculous thing here...


http://dosnlinux.wordpress.com/2007/02/20/the-ubuntu-logo/

AND WE HAVE A WINNER!

[Arkenzor]

C'mon, it is scary. I'm glad I didn't notice it when I started with ubuntu :P.

[sstusick]

I do not know if anyone has posted this ye here, (60 pages is a long read), I found this here.... http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4487545&postcount=5 but this is the most ridiculous thing here...


http://dosnlinux.wordpress.com/2007/02/20/the-ubuntu-logo/
:lolflag:

[coolen]

I do not know if anyone has posted this ye here, (60 pages is a long read), I found this here.... http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4487545&postcount=5 but this is the most ridiculous thing here...


http://dosnlinux.wordpress.com/2007/02/20/the-ubuntu-logo/

We never noticed the people/logo analogy before? I seem to remember it being on the front page of the website in the past...

[cipher_nemo]

Yup, most people already knew about this, especially since it is plastered all over the stamped CD jackets mailed out for free.

[GepettoBR]

I don't get why people would think that's a problem.

[corney91]

I don't understand how the circle representing people is scary...:confused:


EDIT:
I don't get why people would think that's a problem.
Lol. Great timing! :p

[coolen]

People thought the Exorcist was scary, too...

[arashiko28]

"I miss the blue screen of death!"

"I can't trust in something that you just install and run without restart"

"My web-cam doesn't work on Linux" (Neither on Windows, buy a new one!!!)

"Geez, I don't know... to trust in a office package that it's absolutely free?" (About OpenOffice)

"A completely free OS? Let me know when it costs at least 500 bucks, then I'll know it's better than Windows."

And the winner!!!!

"When I have nothing to do, I sit and start to hunt down my infected files, try to desinfect, restart on safe mode, turn off restore, clean up, and start again to surf the web"

"What?!!! NO anti-virus needed?! You've got to be kidding me! I'd rather stop paying my cell phone bill than my anti-virus!"

[sci-fi guy]

*snip*
I think I'm gonna be sick...
Please say you were making those up.

[sstusick]

"I miss the blue screen of death!"

"I can't trust in something that you just install and run without restart"

"My web-cam doesn't work on Linux" (Neither on Windows, buy a new one!!!)

"Geez, I don't know... to trust in a office package that it's absolutely free?" (About OpenOffice)

"A completely free OS? Let me know when it costs at least 500 bucks, then I'll know it's better than Windows."

And the winner!!!!

"When I have nothing to do, I sit and start to hunt down my infected files, try to desinfect, restart on safe mode, turn off restore, clean up, and start again to surf the web"

"What?!!! NO anti-virus needed?! You've got to be kidding me! I'd rather stop paying my cell phone bill than my anti-virus!":lolflag::lolflag::lolflag:

[arashiko28]

I think I'm gonna be sick...
Please say you were making those up.

JAJAJAJA!!!! Nop, I'm not making it up, these are people I see everyday, that keeps whining about their computers but if you offer a true alternative, they chicken out. I've even offered them to get them an original CD and install it for them and a crash course of the essential for free! And still they make excuses and after a good test, stays stuck back with windows.

[Redrazor39]

Him: "Can you run Windows Programs on it?"

Me: "No, it's a totally different OS, but some major ones can run in WINE and there is a better Linux equivalent for the vast majority of Windows programs."

Him: "Oh. That's dumb. Linux sucks."


lol?

[MONODA]

Him: "Can you run Windows Programs on it?"

Me: "No, it's a totally different OS, but some major ones can run in WINE and there is a better Linux equivalent for the vast majority of Windows programs."

Him: "Oh. That's dumb. Linux sucks."
ARRGGG!!!!! I hate when people say this! playstation games dont work on xbox and xbox games dont work on playstation but sometimes they make the same games for both, just like linux mac and pc. Why the hell wont people understand this??? anyway, check this site out:
http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/

[Jareth]

I hate it when people say "they can afford Windows". I feel like putting one in their back as they walk away nonchalantly.
The thing is, I've had headaches with linux, not as many as with windows though. But I'm glad I haven't paid for the privilege. Plus I've learnt a whole lot along the way AND, for the most part, been able to fix the problem (Glory be to the forums!).

[coolen]

Wow, that's one of the best reads I've had this week. Definitely bookmarking that :)

I say to people who want to run Windows programs, there is no reason you should be able to. The fact that you can anyway shows just how awesome OSS is.

[GepettoBR]

I hate it when people say "they can afford Windows". I feel like putting one in their back as they walk away nonchalantly.
The thing is, I've had headaches with linux, not as many as with windows though. But I'm glad I haven't paid for the privilege. Plus I've learnt a whole lot along the way AND, for the most part, been able to fix the problem (Glory be to the forums!).

My standard response to "I have the money to use Windows" is "I have the brain cells to use Linux". It was on someone's signature here on the forums. Sometimes people say "Well, that proves that it's harder to use then" and I start naming all the things I can buy with the R$500,00 I saved by not buying Vista.

[Blackmag+c]

'GIMP reminded me of a sex slave'

[GepettoBR]

'GIMP reminded me of a sex slave'

Wait,what?

[NightwishFan]

Wait,what?

Yeah I am thinking the same thing.

[p_quarles]

Yeah I am thinking the same thing.
You've obviously never seen Pulp Fiction, then. ;)

[gameryoshi600]

¨its hard!¨
yeah wasn´t windows hard to use when you first used it?

[NightwishFan]

Ah inside joke. No I never watched pulp fiction. Kill Bill was great though.

[3rdalbum]

On my blog (http://bigbolshevik.blogs.friendster.com), I have a category "Worst reasons why Linux isn't desktop-ready".

Probably the lamest reason was "It doesn't work with my floppy disk drive".

[kiddo]

'GIMP reminded me of a sex slave'

For all of you who have not seen pulp fiction and want to know what the hell he is referring to, this is the scene; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HlZalchIkk

Now, you know why it always comes back on slashdot in every discussion about the GIMP:
- "they GOT to change that name!"
- "no you insensitive clod, GIMP is an acronym for GNU Image Manipulation Program, not what you think!"
- "it doesn't matter! change it!"

[smartygoldenfish]

I like to restart my computer (as it gest hanged) every few minutes!

[wertyuiop408]

BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone.

Your son may try to install "lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional.

If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface.
quoted from http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html

[coolen]

This is another example of the inability of digital systems to convey a sense of irony.

[GepettoBR]

This is another example of the inability of digital systems to convey a sense of irony.

Especially since the name "Linus Torovotos" in that article leads to a 007 Goldeneye profile page about Boris :lol:

[HangukMiguk]

Probably within this thread, but:

"I can't watch my porn on Linux"

[coolen]

I'll have you know that I can enjoy all of my porn just fine under Linux. Better than on Windows, actually, since it doesn't try to open .movs in a seperate application which doesn't support playlists anyway.

[ubuntu-freak]

"I miss having the occasional virus or trojan."

Nathan

[joe.turion64x2]

"I miss having the occasional virus or trojan."

Nathan
Masochist?

[stay gold!]

Any excuse I give really.

I've been switching between Win and Ubuntu for 2 years :D

Mostly just frustration but that's my own doing, with an *plug* awesome community such as this I shouldn't have problems eh?

[faithsnathan]

quoted from http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html

:lolflag:

I don't know if this is a joke or some seriously messed up individual!

[VitaLiNux]

"I can't watch my favorite DVD movies with it. It sucks](*,) "

[ubuntu-freak]

For all of you who have not seen pulp fiction and want to know what the hell he is referring to, this is the scene; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HlZalchIkk

Now, you know why it always comes back on slashdot in every discussion about the GIMP:
- "they GOT to change that name!"
- "no you insensitive clod, GIMP is an acronym for GNU Image Manipulation Program, not what you think!"
- "it doesn't matter! change it!"


I actually think they should change it to GNU PIMP.

Nathan

[Mazza558]

"It's not to be trusted. What if someone slips in malicious code if anyone can modify the program?"

"I'd rather trust a big company like Microsoft - they're paid to write code, rather than some people in their spare time."

[GepettoBR]

I actually think they should change it to GNU PIMP.

Nathan

GNU Picture and Image Manipulation Program? That's redundant.
Maybe GNU's PIMP: GNU's Perfect Image Manipulation Program :guitar:

"It's not to be trusted. What if someone slips in malicious code if anyone can modify the program?"

"I'd rather trust a big company like Microsoft - they're paid to write code, rather than some people in their spare time."

Those are perfectly valid reasons for people who don't understand the mechanics of community development. They should be taught instead of mocked.

[coolen]

Those are perfectly valid reasons for people who don't understand the mechanics of community development. They should be taught instead of mocked.

But for the fact that a lot of people are paid for their work on open source projects at every level of the OS.

[diplomat.x]

"Linux is for geeks" :(

[Ripfox]

GNU Picture and Image Manipulation Program? That's redundant.
Maybe GNU's PIMP: GNU's Perfect Image Manipulation Program :guitar:



Those are perfectly valid reasons for people who don't understand the mechanics of community development. They should be taught instead of mocked.

No...they are just idiots.

:lolflag:

kidding...*sigh*

[Ripfox]

"My computer doesn' like Linux...it told me so."

"No, really...it just spoke to me man. The sound came from the ethernet port man...wow I'm freakin' out!"

[msgyrd]

Backstory: I'm about to graduate as a CS major, and we use OSS based technologies for tons of classes (all but one, to be exact). Using linux is pretty much a requirement to pass a class here. I hear tons of these on a weekly basis from fellow CS students all the time. Most of them stem from ignorance or apathy, usually both.

"I can't play my games if I install linux, I'll just VPN+SSH to the univ. dev machines using my crippled user account (machines that aren't fork bomb proof)" - usually have no clue they can dual boot or virtualize and disregard the suggestion even if I inform them.

"I just want it to work, I don't want to spend a lot of time" - after I suggest they download VMware for free and a pre-configured linux appliance instead of fighting for days with installing linux apps on top of Windows (python, django, mysql, etc, do take a long time to configure properly on windows vs. a single copy/paste line of apt-get for linux, and all the guides are written towards linux).

"I like how I can customize how Windows looks with X" - I usually react with a facepalm

I've even heard a good one about how they were worried they couldn't use Firefox. Yes, these are computer science majors, and yes, it makes me cry inside.

The worst offenders outside school I see are when people are personally attached to known crapware like smiley programs, desktop wallpaper rotator programs, weatherbug, realplayer, etc. I usually avoid talking to these people about computers, or what I went to college for (since CS is apparently synonymous with tech support).

I don't preach any OS, because I know different needs require different tools, and I can understand not wanting to ditch Windows for many reasons, but for our needs at school, the ignorance of the best tool for the job can be baffling. I don't even want to ask how much time people waste trying to side-step just installing it on their own computer.

Also, after having been a full-time mac and linux user for about a 5 years now, I just politely decline to help people fix problems with Windows. Rarely has their been a return on my time invested (money, food, beer, whatever), the problem usually reoccurs in a matter of days or weeks and the gratitude is small or nonexistent. I've been the go-to guy for Windows problems in my high school days, and it's just not worth it to me unless I'm getting a paycheck from it (and even then...).

[diplomat.x]

BTW guys, never ever take a Live CD to show ubuntu to a friend until he has seen your desktop. We know it works slow but they dont understand that. Only take the Live CD when u need to install it on their hard drive.....

A friend once said, " Are u paid by ubuntu to brag about it?" Though i laughed at it, but from inside i felt like giving him a cracking punch right under his nose.

From that day, i have stopped all the friendly services to windows desktops. I only support things which strive hard to make a better future for everyone. With windows, u can be sure of having more sanctions upon its users.

[3rdalbum]

Me: Why do you want Windows on your new computer?

Her: Bob told me that the XP program was easier to use than the A-bun-tu.

Me: But you didn't have any trouble burning DVDs on Ubuntu, and when you reinstalled Windows it gave you error messages whenever you tried!

--
Suffice to say, I'm now building her a new Ubuntu computer, after reassuring her that she could use her existing e-mail address, and that Google would still be available on Ubuntu :-)

[linuxbeatswin]

True quote-
"I want my windoze back so I can see the pretty flag and that funny little paper clip."


Quoted by.........


-My Mother! (bless her heart)

:) :)

[linuxbeatswin]

Backstory: I'm about to graduate as a CS major, and we use OSS based technologies for tons of classes (all but one, to be exact). Using linux is pretty much a requirement to pass a class here. I hear tons of these on a weekly basis from fellow CS students all the time. Most of them stem from ignorance or apathy, usually both.

The worst offenders outside school I see are when people are personally attached to known crapware like smiley programs, desktop wallpaper rotator programs, weatherbug, realplayer, etc. I usually avoid talking to these people about computers, or what I went to college for (since CS is apparently synonymous with tech support

Also, after having been a full-time mac and linux user for about a 5 years now, I just politely decline to help people fix problems with Windows. Rarely has their been a return on my time invested (money, food, beer, whatever), the problem usually reoccurs in a matter of days or weeks and the gratitude is small or nonexistent. I've been the go-to guy for Windows problems in my high school days, and it's just not worth it to me unless I'm getting a paycheck from it (and even then...).

Amen and Amen!! I graduated in December with my CS degree, and since then, I am apparently "tech support" for many people. I think I may start charging one six pack of GOOD beer for every "service call". What do you think- too much to ask? :)

[coolen]

I remember a YouTube video (in response to a Novell ad). This guy was basically saying Linux (with a long i) sucks, and it's really slow...they were his only points. As far as anyone could figure, he'd popped in a Live CD and made his judgement from that.

[syntheticz]

"My Linux must be broken because it hasn't crashed yet"
"Why is force quit working?!"
"Wheres the control alt delete"

:)

[NightwishFan]

I had an argument with a good friend of mine about Ubuntu. He suddenly rebooted, and when he came back on he told me he has a bsod. (On Vista) I "lol'd" so to speak and he began to tweak out. He was so worried his computer was broken and mad at me for taking amusement in it, that he just began to rant/flip out. I told him to relax but he would not hear it. Finally I said your being annoying about it, a bsod is no problem. His response was, what its also annoying how you brag about Ubuntu. Frankly I never bragged about Ubuntu, at the most I informed. If he would accuse me of downing Microsoft then I would agree. It was just what gives him the right to suddenly insult me when I am only trying to help him. In hindsight I should have chosen my words better, I suppose. It was still such a simple thing for him to have said and yet it caused me great anger. Thankfully we are better than to stay mad.

One thing I noticed is that people that use Windows almost are dependent on it and constantly defend it, even if they do not understand.

[erlyrisa]

what are those piston icons? (gnome v1)

and....

does it play games?

[Milestones]

"You mean you can live with just a command-based OS?" quoted from a friend after I told him I'm running linux but before I showed him my desktop.

[GepettoBR]

But for the fact that a lot of people are paid for their work on open source projects at every level of the OS.

True, but they don't know that either. People tend to think binarily when they lack informations, so if Windows pays people then GNU/Linux does not.



"Why is force quit working?!"


Oh my God it works! Please, please tell me that it isn't true! ...It's a bug, right? It has to be!

[syntheticz]

'Wheres the start button!?"

I bet thats a common one

[linuxbeatswin]

'Wheres the start button!?"

I bet thats a common one

My friggin' Server instructor at school.... I swear, man- word for word-

"Where's the start button?"
(He was huge on MS server 2003. I showed him what FC 5 and BSD could do. He was simply amazed, and didn't know how to defend microsux after seeing what Linux and BSD could do.) :)

By the way, I told him Linux doesn't need a "start" button, because it always works.
heh heh heh.... :)

[POW R TOC H]

My friend : "It can't run Kaspersky" :lolflag:

My friend : "I will miss the BSOD" (he was joking, of course. He dumped win eventually)

[GepettoBR]

'Wheres the start button!?"

I bet thats a common one

What amazes me in that question is that most modern desktop distros running GNOME and KDE have a launch button that works just like the Windows flag. I understand that the GNOME foot icon (or the Ubuntu circle) may be small in the taskbar, but how the hell do you miss that gigantic cogwheel K?

[NightwishFan]

The force is not with them? Giant K in same place as Flag Menu.. They could at least try it lol!

[insane_alien]

i heard a good one recently,

'I think it's damaging my computer because it starts up and shuts down too quickly'

his previous XP install was taking 30 minutes to do either and he thought this was normal.

[XxWITExX]

"the best part is its free"- me
"you get what you pay for" - spencer page

[linuxbeatswin]

The force is not with them? Giant K in same place as Flag Menu.. They could at least try it lol!

No, because that would make sense, and we don't want to make common sense a habit, now, do we?? :)

[kiddo]

lots of recent replies to this thread (again) were addressed in the anti-fud (http://anti-fud.ecchi.ca) wiki :)

[linuxbeatswin]

I got a bunch of lame excuses when I tried to help a co-worker with Linux. We tried for about a week, and was always like this:

- Gaspar, I can´t make the XXXX app to work!
- Did you search for it? Like, Google, or the forums?
- No...

- Gaspar, it doesn´t have/do blablabla...
- Okay, do me a favor: go back to windows. You don´t search, you just complain, and I just don´t care.

C´mon, I like to help, but I don´t need someone trying to convice me that I need to follow the crowd (as said in other thread). I keep doing whatever I can to help anyone REALLY interested in migrating to Ubuntu, and yes, this guy was not the only one who heard a go-back-to-the-pit kind of answer from me :P

I personally like your retort. I used to be one of those people who wanted everything laid out in front of me. Now, I only ask for mega help if I've exhausted every source I can possibly think of (forum searches, google, etc.) I'm willing to put the work into it, and I do sometimes need help, which is why I'm glad that people like yourself are on the forum. Sometimes, a simply pasted link is the BEST help. (Although I feel stupid for not having found it myself.)

[kaivalagi]

ARRGGG!!!!! I hate when people say this! playstation games dont work on xbox and xbox games dont work on playstation but sometimes they make the same games for both, just like linux mac and pc. Why the hell wont people understand this??? anyway, check this site out:
http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/

This has to be my favorite snippet from Computer stupidies (link above), and is a good reason why some people just should not get near a computer, forget which OS they should use!

I saw two older looking ladies trying to figure out the computers at a local store. I knew one of them would say something that I could send to Computer Stupidities, so I tried to listen in.

* Woman 1: "What is that little trash can on the screen?"
* Woman 2: "My son says that is call the 'recycle bin'. He tells me when I don't want a Word document anymore and I delete it, it really goes in there."
* Woman 1: "Why in the recycle thingy? Can't you just erase it?"
* Woman 2: "Oh no, Word wouldn't work for very long if I did that, I would run out of blank pages."
* Woman 1: "Why?"
* Woman 2: "Because it cleans the words off the pages, then sends the blank sheets back to Word so they can be used again. That's why it's called the recycle bin."

[ubuntu-freak]

GNU Picture and Image Manipulation Program? That's redundant.
Maybe GNU's PIMP: GNU's Perfect Image Manipulation Program :guitar:


No, GNU's Professional Image Manipulation Program:-)

Bring on GNU PIMP!

Nathan

[Ripfox]

Amen and Amen!! I graduated in December with my CS degree, and since then, I am apparently "tech support" for many people. I think I may start charging one six pack of GOOD beer for every "service call". What do you think- too much to ask? :)

I charge people 50 bucks just to look at their stupid Windows box :lolflag:

[Aramroth]

- Linux sucks!
- Why?
- There is no C: drive! :lolflag:

[whynotchevron]

I charge people 50 bucks just to look at their stupid Windows box :lolflag:

65 here and they pay it . :)

[kiddo]

doesn't looking at a "windows box" give you nausea, even with sunglasses? :cool:

[GepettoBR]

doesn't looking at a "windows box" give you nausea, even with sunglasses? :cool:

No.

[zetetic]

doesn't looking at a "windows box" give you nausea, even with sunglasses? :cool:

That's exactly what I feel.
When I look to a Windows machine I start getting nauseas.

This is serious. Even if I didn't think Windows is crap I couldn't use it because my Doctor wouldn't allow me to.

When I was using Windows my legs were always trembling and I could not control them. They were always shaking, up and down.

Also my breathing and heartbeat were not normal.

It seems using Windows is dangerous to your health.

I will start a thread on this subject because I would like to know about other people similar experiences.

When I started using Linux I calm down and since then I have been in perfect health.

Almost two years have passed and I never used Windows again. But when I look to a friend's or college's Windows machine I start getting nauseas and so I need to move away and sleep a little bit.

[GepettoBR]

I still use Windows to play Bootfighter Wingdom. It's an online shooter game with giant mechas (and each mecha is named after an OS). Oh, and to work. Kino and Cinelerra don't hold a candle to Adobe Premiere and AE, and unfortunately they don't work at all in WINE.

[kiddo]

Agreed. FOSS video editors suck horribly (http://jeff.ecchi.ca/blog/?p=295), sadly. Happily enough, I am not an avid gamer (I play Tremulous/OpenArena once every few months) and I stopped doing video editing a few years ago.

[-gabe-noob-]

A common problem with many older monitors was they didn't have any protection against invalid frequency/timing settings. If you tried to run a particular resolution at a refresh rate higher than could be handled by the monitor, it could burn out the CRT/electronics. It wouldn't exactly "explode" I don't think, but it would render it dead.

All modern monitors though have automatic protection against such things, instead switching to a screen saying "Out of range" or something similar if such a thing happens.

Actully I was using a old monitor with linux and had it die... :D (i didnt like it) it just kept on screwing with it till I herd a boom in the back (though it didnt implode like I wanted)

[madelman]

"mmm.... it looks very nice, but where is outlook?, how can I read my email?, where is my IE and all my bookmarks?. I could not shutdown my machine because I could not find the start button. I did not like it 'cause I could not find some tools I had....... (secretary at the office)...


It is linux...I said..... she asked, how can I get all my stuff back?... need to reinstall windows I said..... her again: you know.... just take this machine and I will try to work on other with windows.. thank you....

[Theo148]

"Ubuntu is so sissy! It's like UNIX for wimps."

[st0n3cutt3r]

"My wireless doesn't work."
"Have you tried Ruti|T?"
"No."
"Have you tried anything except searching for wireless networks in the Network Settings window?"
"No; my wireless hardware isn't recognized... ACER!!!"

[GepettoBR]

"Ubuntu is so sissy! It's like UNIX for wimps."

Windows Vista is so buggy! It's like OSX for masochists.

[linuxbeatswin]

65 here and they pay it . :)

I charged this guy at work 60. He said, "What a deal- (company name withheld) said they'd do it for $85 per hour."

Simple Disk cleanup and defrag, then he was good to go.

good grief.......

I have to charge more, I guess.

[Google Spider]

"I have XP". Period.

[evertsfnic]

I think ubuntu now it's great for people who only want to check ther email, use openoffice, you the gimp, etc. but if they want to add something it's kind of dificult.
Example. I want to download a program, make 1 click and install, does it, i don't know want to look for other stuff.....

[cardinals_fan]

I think ubuntu now it's great for people who only want to check ther email, use openoffice, you the gimp, etc. but if they want to add something it's kind of dificult.
Example. I want to download a program, make 1 click and install, does it, i don't know want to look for other stuff.....
The Ubuntu repos have about 20,000 packages, which you can install with one click...

[sci-fi guy]

The Ubuntu repos have about 20,000 packages, which you can install with one click...

And all of their dependencies, as well.

[coolen]

I think ubuntu now it's great for people who only want to check ther email, use openoffice, you the gimp, etc. but if they want to add something it's kind of dificult.
Example. I want to download a program, make 1 click and install, does it, i don't know want to look for other stuff.....

Okay, I get where you're coming from, but prepare to be flamed.

The problem with that is not, for the most part, the fault of anyone involved with Linux. There are plenty of cross-platform programs that will work with Linux, and some even provide packages for the major formats. Failing that, there's always the option of *gulp* an installer script.

The fact that Nero, Photoshop, or iTunes aren't available for Linux is the fault of those who develop those programs, not those who develop Linux or any part of the GNU/Linux system.

The only thing we can do is make it easier for ISVs to provide get their programs on Linux (look at PackageKit, which I believe will be included in Fedora 9), or make clones, which a lot of people look down on anyway.

There's also the possibility of using Wine, which is getting closer to the one-click install (for supported programs, I don't need to use the command line. File associations are handled correctly and work from the file manager).

There are also the repos. With programs like Add/Remove, you can find good alternatives for a lot of tasks fairly easily.

[Frak]

The fact that Nero, Photoshop, or iTunes aren't available for Linux is the fault of those who develop those programs, not those who develop Linux or any part of the GNU/Linux system.

http://www.nero.com/eng/linux3.html <--- Nero for Linux

Also, Google is funding Crossover (Wine) to help port over Google apps along with, more importantly, Photoshop.

http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9874297-39.html

[coolen]

Ooh, I didn't know that. Thanks!

THe point still stands, though.

[GepettoBR]

Ooh, I didn't know that. Thanks!

THe point still stands, though.

It stands stronger, even (although in my eyes, any OS that has a native version of the bloatware that is Nero is at a loss, it's still pretty damn popular... remniscents from the days before Nero 7, when it was still good)

[bran]

A friend of mine told me I run Linux because I can't afford Windows....

So his excuse "I can afford Windows."

Truth being that most of us can afford to throw windows away. still very hard not to be forced to buy windows with a system.

Bran

[Theo148]

Windows Vista is so buggy! It's like OSX for masochists.
:lolflag: I'd love to see the look on my Windows-supporting friend's face if I said that to him.

[GepettoBR]

:lolflag: I'd love to see the look on my Windows-supporting friend's face if I said that to him.

Say it and take pictures to share with the rest of us :guitar:

[wolffangalchemist]

the lamest and most untrue reason I've heard is cuz linux is a resource hog.

[davidgypsy]

Where is the "start" button...

[coolen]

It stands stronger, even (although in my eyes, any OS that has a native version of the bloatware that is Nero is at a loss, it's still pretty damn popular... remniscents from the days before Nero 7, when it was still good)

We had a copy of Nero 5, and never upgraded. Our computer was very old, without a DVD drive, so we never needed anything more. My mum upgraded about a month before I moved out, then I got this computer for Christmas, and for the first six months it didn't even have Windows. I finally put it on for some gaming, but the Windows partition is mostly used for storage. No game is worth booting into Windows *shudders*

[Tsukino Kyuuketsuki]

"Where's the start button?"
"What about office?"
"How do you install stuff without an .exe?"
"it looks weird... *shivers*"
"Terminal? What's a terminal?"
*head explodes*
"I don't have to use linux, I'm not a hacker anyways..."

And I was there. True story!

[sstusick]

the lamest and most untrue reason I've heard is cuz linux is a resource hog.:lolflag:

We had a copy of Nero 5, and never upgraded. Our computer was very old, without a DVD drive, so we never needed anything more. My mum upgraded about a month before I moved out, then I got this computer for Christmas, and for the first six months it didn't even have Windows. I finally put it on for some gaming, but the Windows partition is mostly used for storage. No game is worth booting into Windows *shudders*Ashampoo works great, and it's free.

[swimm3r137@gmail.com]

"it just works" :lolflag::lolflag::lolflag:

[MNICY]

Just check the testimonials and experiences section for lots of lame ones ;)
:lolflag:

[Barrucadu]

"It looks so primitive!"
Said by my Mum watching me using Xmonad on my laptop.

[sstusick]

"Compiz doesn't work on my computer"

[williambertram]

"It won't run Guild Wars". This was actually my own excuse while I was still playing Guild Wars. I have since ended the addiction, and now I'm happy on a single boot Ubuntu 8.04LTS system. Best OS ever AFAIK.

[eragon100]

It does run guild wars.

Guild wars is the number one in the top ten platinum programs under wine.

Meaning:

1 insert cd

2 double click setup.exe

3 follow windows installer

4 play

I play it myself sometimes so I know what I am talking about :popcorn:

[C!oud]

"Linux sucks, I know loads of viruses that will cripple a linux system. Besides it's illegal." :lolflag:

[sci-fi guy]

*snip*

I assume he tried before it reached platinum.

[GepettoBR]

"Linux sucks, I know loads of viruses that will cripple a linux system. Besides it's illegal." :lolflag:

And it was developed by a soviet hacker named Linus Torovotos before the Cold War ended.

That article was linked to a billion times in this thread alone o.o

[C!oud]

And it was developed by a soviet hacker named Linus Torovotos before the Cold War ended.

That article was linked to a billion times in this thread alone o.o

I am fully aware of that article but I'm not talking about that at all. I got that response from a friend when I informed that I had installed Linux and was loving and was trying to get him to try it out too.:roll:

[GepettoBR]

I am fully aware of that article but I'm not talking about that at all. I got that response from a friend when I informed that I had installed Linux and was loving and was trying to get him to try it out too.:roll:

Really? That makes me a sad panda...

[cardinals_fan]

Really? That makes me a sad panda...
What?

[Ejas12]

"I dont like the look of the desktop"
"There are no shorcuts in the desktop"
And the worst "It doesnt use defragmentation"

[Madman6510]

My worst (from my sister):

"But whereeees my Itunessssssss?" (Said like that, I swear).

[GepettoBR]

What?

It's a South Park joke.

On one episode, a mascot called Sexual Harassment Panda goes to the kids' school to teach them about sexual harassment, and every example he gives of sexual harassment is in the form "When a little panda does X to another little panda, that's sexual harassment, and that makes me a sad panda..." which effectively makes everyone feel sorry for him and vow to end sexual harassment. Eventually he becomes the "Don't Sue People Panda", because people were all suing each other for sexual harassment.

It's all very stupid, but it's a perfect example of how political correctness is the cancer that's killing our world.

[Frak]

It's a South Park joke.

On one episode, a mascot called Sexual Harassment Panda goes to the kids' school to teach them about sexual harassment, and every example he gives of sexual harassment is in the form "When a little panda does X to another little panda, that's sexual harassment, and that makes me a sad panda..." which effectively makes everyone feel sorry for him and vow to end sexual harassment. Eventually he becomes the "Don't Sue People Panda", because people were all suing each other for sexual harassment.

It's all very stupid, but it's a perfect example of how political correctness is the cancer that's killing our world.
:lolflag:

I remember that episode :D

Pandy is laughy happy :D :lolflag: :D :lolflag: :D :lolflag:

[zazuge]

"It was made by unbelivers!"

"linux? that sounds like green-peace!"

a stupid girl said this:
"Linux? that weird thingy"

an IT expert said this:
"I've got a job at a microsoft partener"

"I don't understand it"

"We're not in the university anymore"
"It wasn't made by bill gates"

A cisco fan engineer said this:
"OpenSource is not trusworthy every one can hack it, proprietary softs are secure"

and the lamest one is from a friend that admit linux superiority over windoz, i asked him why he didn't install linux, he replied:
"I don't know" ??!!

[schmidtbag]

after reading through about the first 15 pages, i had to stop. most of these were so pathetic they pissed me off - i simply couldn't find them funny. part of me is glad linux is excluded from most of the world - it seems to me only true linux users are intelligent, understanding, and patient people. some of those IT guys need to be ridden of their jobs and for everyone else, they all lose. although i don't feel linux is the best os right now, (xp's pro:con ratio is better than linux's IMO) i feel it will dominate within a few years. i think we can all agree that there are SOME things that need some fixing, but for something that is free, thats expected.

[Perpetual]

If they don't do something about that damned 'circle of friends' picture...I'm going to switch distributions. That logo is so ridiculous. It looks like some middle-school, happy-huggy, summer camp.

It's rather embarrassing really.

[GepettoBR]

If they don't do something about that damned 'circle of friends' picture...I'm going to switch distributions. That logo is so ridiculous. It looks like some middle-school, happy-huggy, summer camp.

It's rather embarrassing really.

At least whoever said that knows what the logo stands for, instead of thinking it's just some random circles.

[Frak]

A cisco fan engineer said this:
"OpenSource is not trustworthy every one can hack it, proprietary softs are secure"

This incredibly accurate considering somewhere around half of Cisco software is open source.

[GepettoBR]

This incredibly accurate considering somewhere around half of Cisco software is open source.

I like how this guy has the exact opposite mentality of the whole Open Source community.

[Frak]

I like how this guy has the exact opposite mentality of the whole Open Source community.
:lolflag:

I know, its crazy.

[W2IBC]

I've herd someone say that he didn't use Linux because it is an illegal OS. I said it's wasn't, "It's just free and working good".

^^made me lol


lamest thing i heard someone tell me about *nix

" its to hard to run "

[Lord Xeb]

"Compiz doesn't work on my computer"

http://www.gardenal.org/trabalhosujo/o_rly.jpg

O_o I saw someone talking about installing Ubuntu on a computer with a 450MHz Processor, 256MB of ram, 6GB hard drive, and a GeForce 4!!!! Compiz worked just fine... Even cube for a lemon's sake!

[Perpetual]

At least whoever said that knows what the logo stands for, instead of thinking it's just some random circles.

Actually, in reference to pictures like this...

http://www.sed.hu/havasi/files/images/ubuntu/circle.jpg

[NightwishFan]

The icon is fine. What kind of absurd hatred is that. :lolflag:

[GepettoBR]

The icon is fine. What kind of absurd hatred is that. :lolflag:

Besides, the logo itself isn't a picture of a bunch of people, it's a simplified artistic representation.

Using a logo as an excuse is stupid, coming from someone who either uses an OS represented by a window as seen by someone high on LCD or a computer branded with a bitten fruit.

P.S.: or both.

[NightwishFan]

No need to be upset. I just like the icon personally, and it is beyond me why someone would do any more than ignore it if they do not like it.

[GepettoBR]

Who got upset? It's all just fun and games here.

[Tomatz]

Isnt windows xp the computer?

I dont want to ruin my computer by taking it off.



Im a desktop technician and i offer an installation of ubuntu for only £30. By comparison an xp service (defrag, registry clean, spyware/virus scan) costs £35.

Some people just dont know what is good for them.

[GepettoBR]

That's a pretty steep price for a two-hour installation compared to a four-hour maitenance job.

[Perpetual]

I don't recall where I saw it originally. I do not mind the Ubuntu logo. I do agree though, the pictures of people holding hands is a bit...I don't know, childish? I wouldn't stop using an OS because of it. Frankly, I don't care much for the openSuse lizard either.

[Tomatz]

That's a pretty steep price for a two-hour installation compared to a four-hour maitenance job.


HeHe

In the UK its not even worth eating a peanut for £30. The going rate for an xp installation is about £150 including disc. So £30 is very reasonable.

[NightwishFan]

:d

[Tomatz]

P.s

I use linux live cds/bart cds for all my scans. Which reduces the time significantly.

[GepettoBR]

P.s

I use linux live cds/bart cds for all my scans. Which reduces the time significantly.

Ah, the mystery unravels.

[Tomatz]

Ah, the mystery unravels.

No!

Now you know all my trade secrets. How will i feed my children :(


:lolflag:

[Lord Xeb]

"Because linux is hard!"

"Because there is almost not support"

"Because it's user interface sucks..."

"I don't like it" (what my brother said when he barely tried the live cd. THE LIVECD SUCKS!!! But, customize it to you wishes then tell me if it sucks. Once your done, there will be no harm done to your system because it is all in ram.

My friend sits there and tells me point blank that windows is better when he has never used Linux in his life. I get into argument all the time with him.


If you have never tried it, then why are you dishing it? ubuntu is by far the easiest to use, and is also the most popular. Use it ********!!!!! Linux is sure not the most perfect OS. NO OS can be perfect. It is impossible. When I here people whine and ask "Why are you using linux?" I tell them the 4 main reason:

1. It is fun

2. I like the fact is FULLY customizable

3. No more of those forsaken viruses!

4. You feel special because your part of niche that no one else has.

[NightwishFan]

Because it is what you want it to be, if you have the skill or the help you can stretch Linux as far as you like.

[SlappyPappy]

"I can't find the 'any' key!"

[Frak]

Here's a first

"I won't use Linux because Geek Squad says its illegal"

You heard it folks, the one and only Geek Squad says Linux is illegal. Start reinstalling Windows everybody :rolleyes:

[GepettoBR]

If you have neither, but patience to learn, then both will come.

I just heard a new one from my neighbor who walked in

(sees my taskbar on top and with non-Windows icons) "You put MAC OS on that old laptop?"
"No, this is Ubuntu."
"Ubuwhat?"
"Another operating system."
"What's it good for?"
"It's a lot faster than Windows, it's not a resource hog and it has no viruses."
"Oh, okay. Why do you use that crap?"
"Crap?"
"If it were good, there would be douchebags to make viruses for it and ruin all the fun. There always are."
"What about Mac, then?"
"Everyone knows you can't make a virus for Mac."

I suppressed my laugh enough to say you can't make viruses for Linux either, which led to a rather interesting dscussion about how Linux OSes and Mac are all UNIX derivatives to some level. I even shared my limited knowledge about BSD.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we may have a new Enlightened One among us.

[GepettoBR]

You heard it folks, the one and only Geek Squad says Linux is illegal. Start reinstalling Windows everybody :rolleyes:

Ohmygod the allmighty geek squad has spoken! Quickly, burn all your LiveCDs! Lynch Linus Torvalds!

[Frak]

Ohmygod the allmighty geek squad has spoken! Quickly, burn all your LiveCDs! Lynch Linus Torvalds!
:lolflag:

[Barrucadu]

Ohmygod the allmighty geek squad has spoken! Quickly, burn all your LiveCDs! Lynch Linus Torvalds!

I'll bake some lynching cookies. You can't lynch someone without cookies. Also, I propose we give a medal to the member of the geek squad who revealed this truth, for correcting our uneducated ways and saving us from damnation.