firefox-granparadiso

[ubulette]

Welcome to firefox-granparadiso :p


firefox-granparadiso (3.0~alpha5-0ubuntu2)


firefox 3.0 preview package - granparadiso

https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/firefox/granparadiso

[plun]

Or take the Firefox 3 Minefield tour... running it since December ;)

http://www.debianadmin.com/install-firefox30a1-in-ubuntu-and-list-of-addons.html

Latest Nightly build
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/

Built in upgrade with "Check for updates".

Latest fingerprint
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9a6pre) Gecko/20070621 Minefield/3.0a6pre


:D

[ubulette]

what I meant was, granparadiso is entering gutsy, so no (more) need to compile it or install nightly builds.

[plun]

what I meant was, granparadiso is entering gutsy, so no (more) need to compile it or install nightly builds.

Ok, but its much better to help Mozillas developers running Nightly builds
and using TalkBack if something goes wrong.

I wish Ubuntu also have a simple TalkBack...;) "File a bug" at Launchpad...
:D

[SKLP]

so when exactly is it going to enter gutsy? i cant find it in repos yet atleast

[ubulette]

Ok, but its much better to help Mozillas developers running Nightly builds
and using TalkBack if something goes wrong.

I know but most people here will prefer the debs either because they have no idea of how to install nightlies or they simply don't care.

I wish Ubuntu also have a simple TalkBack...;) "File a bug" at Launchpad...
:D

well, there's already "Report a problem" in the Help menu of plenty of apps. It's a mod by Ubuntu calling for liblaunchpad-integration. I don't really like it, in fact, I'm not using it at all.

I'm not very happy with launchpad either as it's not easy to find the package initially. Most of the time, I get no such project, or not referenced here, or are you sure, etc.
Of course I'm sure, I even provide the exact package name. So either I have to temper with the URL or just put something in the search box and hopefully, another bug will direct me to the package :( That's really annoying and when it pisses me too much, I just close the page and do something else.

Another annoying thing with LP is that it's impossible to attach anything to the initial bug report.

[ubulette]

so when exactly is it going to enter gutsy? i cant find it in repos yet atleast

It has been built 10 hours ago but it failed on ia64 and sparc. Maybe that's what causing the delay.

Sources are already available (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-granparadiso/3.0~alpha5-0ubuntu2) so if you're impatient and if you have 1.3G and ~1 hour to spend, you can compile it. I advise to just wait a few days.

[snifer]

I know it's going off topic, but may be ubuntu-bug is what you're looking for reporting bugs.
You can report a bug about a package in your system or even a process runing. Look at the man for reference.

[asac]

(I will post a request for more widespread testing in the Dev Link Forum once we consider this package ready for more widespread use. In any case remember to backup your firefox profile directory regularly when using firefox-granparadiso - just in case :))

The main reason we are shipping firefox 3.0 alpha and beta milestone releases as firefox-granparadiso is that we are working closely together with the mozilla developers and this package is ment to be a way to get more widespread testing of their milestone releases.

So the point that using mozilla nightly builds help mozilla developers more than using our packages is not really valid.

For instance, we reduce the workload on mozilla developers by concentrating and filtering the feedback we receive from you (our huge community). This should increase the signal/noise ratio significantly and imo will help them more than lots of individual reports on their nightly builds.

Further, distributions (like ubuntu) are after all the primary way how firefox will be shipped to linux users. So getting feedback on how their software behaves when installed in the "distributors" way is probably even more valuable than getting feedback on how their builds behave.

So in the end, testing our package will help the firefox developers as well as ubuntu; sounds like the better way to do it ;)

Stay tuned.

[plun]

For instance, we reduce the workload on mozilla developers by concentrating and filtering the feedback we receive from you (our huge community). This should increase the signal/noise ratio significantly and imo will help them more than lots of individual reports on their nightly builds.

Further, distributions (like ubuntu) are after all the primary way how firefox will be shipped to linux users. So getting feedback on how their software behaves when installed in the "distributors" way is probably even more valuable than getting feedback on how their builds behave.

So in the end, testing our package will help the firefox developers as well as ubuntu; sounds like the better way to do it ;)

Stay tuned.

Well, this "work load" is mostly done with computers which analyze Talkback reports ;)
One million PCs crashed when they visiting Microsoft.com...:D

The nightly updates is with Menu help and "Check for updates" or Minefield tells a user that a new version is available. (Firefox needs user rights to upgrade)
I have nothing against binarys within a update...;)

But of course its important to test versions also from Ubuntu repos. A different test
for different users.

I also believe that a Talkback system for Launchpad would be a great idea...:D

Best regards
plun

[ShirishAg75]

For me, the first thing would be clear concise instructions how to upgrade from firefox 2 to ff3 without affecting the profile. Of course the profile would be backed up ;) but I am thinking that the guys at mozilla sure should have thought up of some upgrade path. (Something like the change from gaim to pidgin perhaps.) In any case it would be interesting to see what these guys come up with.

[ronacc]

I just looked and on my install of FF ( amd64 ) check for updates is greyed out.

[plun]

I just looked and on my install of FF ( amd64 ) check for updates is greyed out.

You must give Firefox user rights. Then updates works.
Its depending of which version/method you choosed

I followed Debianadmins method with Firefox as an /Opt application

http://www.debianadmin.com/install-firefox30a1-in-ubuntu-and-list-of-addons.html

With the Ubuntuversion it must be with usr/bin/firefox or mozilla-firefox

:)

[ronacc]

I'll poke around , my FF install is whatever came with gutsy , I don't use FF much I prefer OPERA but I figgured I'd take a look at grandparadiso.

[ubulette]

"Check for Updates" in the Help menu of FF is indeed greyed, that's how it is supposed to be when you have using a deb (Ubuntu or Debian).

For some reason, the ubuntu's debs are not available (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/f/firefox-granparadiso/), only sources.

I can post i386 debs if someone is interested.

[ronacc]

should I uninstall the ubuntu version before I build the source or can I have them both ?

[leech]

You can use 'sudo apt-get source -b firefox-granparadiso' and it'll download and compile it. Assuming of course you have the Ubuntu Sources enabled in the sources.list.

Leech

[ronacc]

thanks I'll try that when I get back , I always enable sources .

[leech]

Oops, my bad. Seems they don't quite have it set up right. I got as far as
leech@lappy:/usr/src/ff-paradiso/firefox-granparadiso-3.0~alpha5/mozilla$ sudo dpkg-buildpackage
dpkg-buildpackage: source package is firefox-granparadiso
dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 3.0~alpha5-0ubuntu2
dpkg-buildpackage: source changed by Alexander Sack <asac@ubuntu.com>
dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture i386
dpkg-buildpackage: source version without epoch 3.0~alpha5-0ubuntu2
debian/rules clean
cd: 1: can't cd to build-tree/mozilla
sed \
-e "s/@cdbs@/, cdbs (>= 0.4.23-1.1), autotools-dev, debhelper (>= 5), quilt, patchutils (>= 0.2.25), cdbs (>= 0.4.27-1), autoconf2.13/g" \
-e "s/^Build-Depends\(\|-Indep\): ,/Build-Depends\1:/g" \
\
-e "s/^Cpu: .*/Architecture: /g" \
-e "/^System: /d" \
\
-e "s/\[cpu: \([^]]*\)\]/\[\`type-handling \\\\\`echo \1 | tr ' ' ','\\\\\` any\`\]/g" \
-e "s/\[system: \([^]]*\)\]/\[\`type-handling any \\\\\`echo \1 | tr ' ' ','\\\\\`\`\]/g" \
\
-e "s/\"/\\\\\"/g" \
-e "s/^/echo \"/g" \
-e "s/\\$/\\\\$/g" \
-e "s/$/\"/g" \
< debian/control.in | /bin/sh > debian/control
dpkg-checkbuilddeps -B
test -x debian/rules
test "`id -u`" = 0
/bin/sh: Can't open id
make: *** [testroot] Error 1


Anyone have more luck?

Leech

[ubulette]

I don't recommend to build that (or anything else) directly on your system. It will install tons of build-deps that will make your system grow for nothing. Hundreds of additional packages.

If you're really up to it, use a bootstrap and build everything you want chrooted into that bootstrap. then trash the bootstrap and you're clean. That also ensures that you'll build packages correctly (not with conflicting packages that the package rules doesn't check but that configure will detect and build).

That's what I do and also what ubuntu's build bots are doing.

[ubulette]

Oops, my bad. Seems they don't quite have it set up right.
Anyone have more luck?


I've built them completely untouched (for i386). No problem at all.
I'm also using them right now to write this ):P

They are here (http://www.sofaraway.org/tmp/gutsy/firefox-granparadiso/).
I've written a README, for those unsure.

[EDIT: everyone wishing to use my files should probably start by reading the README]

[ronacc]

I'm trying to build from the tar/gz at the site you posted , ./configure gives this error.

configure: error: --enable-application=APP was not specified and is required.

I have tried changing that line to =(Firefox) to =browser (Firefox) and to =browser
all no help , suggestions ?

[ShirishAg75]

ubulette eh...... I went there but did not did not see any readme or you put the README somewhere else?

[ronacc]

i couldn't find the readme either

[ubulette]

strange, it was there called README but apache2 is not showing it. I've renamed it README.txt and it's visible now... hmm. Something weird with Apache2..

[ronacc]

thanks , I read the readme but that dosent help with the problem I'm having with the configure file when I try to build from source.

[ubulette]

thanks , I read the readme but that dosent help with the problem I'm having with the configure file when I try to build from source.

indeed. That's for users.

if you're okay to overload your system with tons of useless stuff, try this:

as non-root (never build packages as root), cd to a dir with more than 1.5G free. I'll use /tmp in the example..


sudo apt-get install fakeroot dpkg-dev build-essential
sudo apt-get build-dep firefox-granparadiso
cd /tmp
apt-get source firefox-granparadiso
cd firefox-granparadiso-3.0~alpha5
dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot


last step should take between 40 min and 1 hour
if everything goes well, you'll have your debs in /tmp

[ronacc]

ok I'll try that , the box I've got gutsy on has plenty of space for extras ( ~ 1TB with only 8GB used) and it does nothing but run gutsy right now so if its tied up building so what. and yes I only build as user.
Thanks

[ShirishAg75]

ubulette , any idea when FF3 is going to hit the repos, in essence, just backing up and using a firefox3 metapackage from the repos. Although your site does the same, I would rather wait for it to hit the repos. (the binary I mean).

[ubulette]

ubulette , any idea when FF3 is going to hit the repos, in essence, just backing up and using a firefox3 metapackage from the repos. Although your site does the same, I would rather wait for it to hit the repos. (the binary I mean).

no idea. I have no link whatsoever with canonical and ubuntu.
I've compiled it myself just because I wanted to give it a try.. and I like it.

[ronacc]

from a post you had made earlier in this thread I expected problems trying to build FF3 (I'm amd64) and I got it . everthing was chugging along fine until it got to.

dh_shlibdeps -pfirefox-granparadiso
dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of 'NEEDED libmozjs.so' not recognized
dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of 'NEEDED libxpcom.so' not recognized

and about another page of format not recognised . I suspect it dont like the 64bit libs.
no time to investigate now , I'll poke around later.

[ubulette]

hmm, no. I said official buildbots failed to build it on ia64 and sparc.
Builds of i386, amd64 and powerpc succeeded.

[asac]

Binary packages have just been NEWed and should be available from your preferred gutsy mirror soon. If you need feisty binary packages, the mozillateam provides inofficial backports in feisty preview archive for i386 and amd64: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives.

[ronacc]

I decided to put the build attempt on hold due to time constraints and went ahead and installed the fiesty backport on gutsy , I'm using it now, it seems alot faster than the standard FF install. I'll play with it some.

[ShirishAg75]

Binary packages have just been NEWed and should be available from your preferred gutsy mirror soon. If you need feisty binary packages, the mozillateam provides inofficial backports in feisty preview archive for i386 and amd64: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives.

I tried & still its not there in my preferred binary mirror while the linux restricted modules (2.6.22.2-7.2) I was able to install some time back which was put out today morning (IST) .

My mirror is http://in.archive.ubuntu.com .

[ubulette]

Same here. still nothing.

I guess that's why I've got ~50 dl of the main FF3 deb. Far more than I expected. Seems like there are silent readers out here :)

[ubulette]

It's available (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/f/firefox-granparadiso/), at last! :)

[ubulette]

Edit / Preferences / Content / File Types / Manage.

The popup is unusable (too small). Enlarging it shows it's empty.

Anyone else ?

[newen]

I'm a little bit dissapointed. I thought that since ff3 uses cairo, gtk form widgets would be available. That seems to be turned off, though.

[plun]

Dont forget Adblock Plus, must have addon

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865

:)

[ShirishAg75]

It's available (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/f/firefox-granparadiso/), at last! :)

ubulette, now how do we install it, just like the README you gave of yours or something else altogether?

[zachstruck]

It's in gutsy's repositories now. A simple sudo aptitude install firefox-granparadiso should work.

[ShirishAg75]

Actually did that, but would say it should be

sudo aptitude install firefox-granparadiso firefox-granparadiso firefox-granparadiso-gnome-support firefox-granparadiso-dom-inspector

There does not seem to be a firefox-granparadiso meta-package which would install all the stuff.

[ubulette]

It's still a good idea to backup your FF2 profile(s). My README was just that, backup, identify which of the 4 debs you need, and install, plus the warning regarding the add-ons.

[ShirishAg75]

did all that, now the question is to find plugins for it.

[ubulette]

This post could be related to an Ubuntu bug filed at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-granparadiso/+bug/123118 . ---------------------------- . .
did all that, now the question is to find plugins for it.

See LP #123118.


sudo bash
cd /usr/lib/firefox-granparadiso/plugins
for FILE in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/* ; do
if [ ! -e `basename $FILE` ] ; then
ln -s $FILE
fi
done
exit

then restart FF3

[EDIT] I found out that vlc plugin is broken so I removed the corresponding link in /usr/lib/firefox-granparadiso/plugins.
totem plugin is okay, most of the time.

[plun]

Plugins can be moved with this procedure.

Note that i alreday have Firefox 3 installed.

Standard plugin folder is /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/


plun@dunder:/usr/lib/firefox-granparadiso/plugins$ sudo ln -s /opt/firefox/plugins/* .
ln: skapa symbolisk länk "./libunixprintplugin.so" till "/opt/firefox/plugins/libunixprintplugin.so": Filen existerar

plun@dunder:/usr/lib/firefox-granparadiso/plugins$ dir
* libunixprintplugin.so mplayerplug-in.so
flashplayer.xpt mplayerplug-in-qt.so mplayerplug-in-wmp.so
libflashplayer.so mplayerplug-in-qt.xpt mplayerplug-in-wmp.xpt
libjavaplugin.so mplayerplug-in-rm.so mplayerplug-in.xpt
libnullplugin.so mplayerplug-in-rm.xpt


And then about:plugins within Firefox.

Also updates works with permission changes within Firefoxs folder...

:D

[ubulette]

today, I seems firefox 2 packages have been modified to get rid of ubuntu's customizations. Those customizations are now in a package called ubufox, which in my case, is not installed. Doesn't seem to be usable with FF3 (granparadiso).

I'm no longer using FF2 (yet I still have it installed) so I don't know the effect of this upgrade/split. I just post this in case someone experienced an issue or an unexpected/unwanted change.

EDIT: BTW, I *love* FF3's rendering. Widget's fonts are much prettier (at least here) using the exact same preferences.

[plun]

Well, some update changed Mozillas plugin folder....;)

Its now /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/*

Create symlinks sudo ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/* .

:)

[ubulette]

I've packaged firefox-granparadiso 3.0a6 for Gutsy as it was not coming fast enough for my taste.

I've posted it here (http://www.sofaraway.org/tmp/gutsy/firefox-granparadiso/) (full sources + i386 debs) for those willing to give it a try.
If you're interested by the details, read the ".changes" file to see what I've changed.

EDIT: the "Tab Mix Plus" addon is totally broken in FF3.0a6 and makes tabs unclosable and sessions unusable.
This is a known TMP issue. Either disable it until a new version is released or use the latest dev build (direct link (http://tmp.garyr.net/tab_mix_plus-dev-build.xpi)). Worked for me.

EDIT2: to recover the default search engines, just copy the content of /usr/share/firefox-granparadiso/searchplugins/ in ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/searchplugins/
("*.default" is a random dir name unique to each user). This is a workaround for LP #122737.

[merlyn]

@ ubulette & somewhat offtopic. Mate do you have a site / blog or something?

If not perhaps you could consider it, spread the word about your exploits on the cutting edge, maybe even throw in a howto on building debs and other groovy stuff.

Cheers.

Edit: I'ts up and happening now. Cool! A couple of things I've noticed straight up is 1. Speed, (much faster) & 2. buttons and forms look heaps nicer.

[ubulette]

@ ubulette & somewhat offtopic. Mate do you have a site / blog or something?

If not perhaps you could consider it, spread the word about your exploits on the cutting edge, maybe even throw in a howto on building debs and other groovy stuff.

Cheers.

Edit: I'ts up and happening now. Cool! A couple of things I've noticed straight up is 1. Speed, (much faster) & 2. buttons and forms look heaps nicer.

I don't have a blog or anything similar.

Glad to see you appreciate my contribution.
Got a hundred dls of the main FF3a6 deb but barely a comment, good or bad.

a7 will be out next week, I'll probably give it a try unless ubuntu/debian guys decide to do it.

[merlyn]

I don't have a blog or anything similar.

Have you considered it. Seems to me you have good skills you could pass on.

Glad to see you appreciate my contribution.
Got a hundred dls of the main FF3a6 deb but barely a comment, good or bad.

You're more than welcome, I regret however that I cannot return the favour in any other way.

That's a shame. It only seems fair to me that you get a response one way or the other. At least then you'll know how well you work is going and if there are any problems that need to be addressed.

After all it's what this forum is all about.

a7 will be out next week, I'll probably give it a try unless ubuntu/debian guys decide to do it.

From what I can see it's out now, and can be found here (ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk). I'd be willing to attempt a build myself, any pointers on what to do? Perhaps a link to a good but 'basic' tutorial on building debs?

Cheers.

[Sunflower1970]

I've been using FF3a7 nightly builds now--named Minefield--in Feisty Fawn. Love it. It seems very stable. I haven't had any major problems with it at all.

[ubulette]

Have you considered it. Seems to me you have good skills you could pass on.

I'm not able to dedicate enough time to maintain a blog.


You're more than welcome, I regret however that I cannot return the favour in any other way.

don't worry, I'm not asking for anything. I'm the 1st user of my stuff and I also like to share. That's it.


That's a shame. It only seems fair to me that you get a response one way or the other. At least then you'll know how well you work is going and if there are any problems that need to be addressed.

indeed. I was just hoping for that. I'm not looking for congrats, as I just package the stuff, I'm not coding it. I just like feedbacks from time to time.


From what I can see it's out now, and can be found here (ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk). I'd be willing to attempt a build myself, any pointers on what to do? Perhaps a link to a good but 'basic' tutorial on building debs?


I'll not advise learning the deb business starting from anything mozilla related.
That's an egg within an egg. You have to fetch CVS, then fetch several other modules and the (original) deb packaging rules are really really really ugly.. well, at least, it's totally alien to everything else in debian/ubuntu (I don't want to offend the maintainers in any way =;).

As for a7 vs trunk, that's a different beast... sort of.
I'm still hoping to teach my buildbot how to build that but so far, it's too alien for it.

Mozilla guys have a good tutorial for building their stuff but the deb part is tricky.

[ubulette]

I've been using FF3a7 nightly builds now--named Minefield--in Feisty Fawn. Love it. It seems very stable. I haven't had any major problems with it at all.

Indeed, I'm quite sure it's better than a6 but it's just not a deb :)

nightlies are of course an option for those that are not looking for debs but still want to be walking on edge.

[hoodwink]

Thanks ubulette for posting the latest link. I untarred it in /opt, copied my plugins, and voila Granparadiso aka Minefield.

I'm running it now. No problems with mplayer or flash (youtube). Don't know about the Xine c**p that most folks use.

[fuoco]

Is there somewhere a source for a7 debs ? (from which i can build the package on my system)

[ubulette]

Is there somewhere a source for a7 debs ? (from which i can build the package on my system)

no a7 debs so far as sources are not avail yet. Upstream sources will be there (ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/granparadiso/) in a day or two.

[funpop]

@ ubulette

thanks for your :KS:KS:KS:KS:KS README and the a6 debs

granparadiso up and running on kubuntu, without problems (yet!)
looking forward for a7 :)

edit: o_o it passes acid 2 now!
http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/

[hoodwink]

what I meant was, granparadiso is entering gutsy, so no (more) need to compile it or install nightly builds.
OK, what does "granparadiso is entering gutsy" mean? apt-cache can find no such pacakge details.

FYI, I've been running GP aka Minefield for a week now, and the only problem I've encountered is with the "print" option. On mys system (100% current Gutsy) CTL-P and ENTER causes GP to go into an endless loop

[RAOF]

OK, what does "granparadiso is entering gutsy" mean? apt-cache can find no such pacakge details.
...

I'm not sure what mirror you're using, but I've been using Gutsy's granparadiso for weeks!

[ubulette]

The package is called firefox-granparadiso.
Gutsy has 3.0~alpha5-0ubuntu2.

alpha7 was supposed to be released upstream two days ago. Still no sign of it.
Maybe that's because of the 2.0.0.5/2.0.0.6 fiasco.

[ubulette]

Alpha7 is out (upstream)

[plun]

Alpha7 is out (upstream)

Minefield on Alpha 8 today...:) Time to hack Adblock Plus so it works again.

:)

[BoyOfDestiny]

Alpha7 is out (upstream)

Ok I'm using it as my main browser now.
Between the remembering open tabs, and the full page zoom (now I can view sites using fixed-width and tiny little icons. Currently on a laptop with 17" 1920x1200, so 133 DPI...) Just awesome, and is quicker than greased lightning.

The only issue for me is the custom colors aren't quite right (try custom colors, don't let sites chose there own, and go to google, looks bizzare.) So I stuck this in chrome/userContent.css
as a workaround

body, font, table, tr, td, span, blockquote, div {
color: inherit ! important ;
background: inherit ! important
}

/*always underline links and use specific colors*/
:link, :visited { text-decoration: underline !important; }
:link {color: orange !important; }
:visited {color: darkmagenta !important; }


As of now the page zoom feature doesn't have any gui interface, this nice extension takes care of it.

http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/07/try-firefox-3-full-page-zoom-with-full-page-zoom/

Yay for real page zoom. Fast, stays in proportion. Thumbs up (heck even made this ubuntuforums post easier ;) )

[ubulette]

I've created debs for alpha7 but I'll not post them anywhere at the moment until I sort a few things out.

Compiling a5 and a6 was piece of cake. a7 proved to be more challenging. The previous debianization no longer applies. I had to redo all the patches, fix some sources and fix the install rules as some mandatory files no longer found their way in the debs.

On top of that, a7 messed up my bookmarks toolbar badly. That's the reason I'm not releasing my debs. Even reverting to a6 or a5 didn't fix it. I had to manually fix the bookmark toolbar which is no longer editable using the "Organize bookmarks" toolbox.
Strange. Seems it's "place" related. No idea what that is and why it only triggered issues with a7. I'd like to fix my toolbar by editing a file as before (~.mozilla/firefox/*.default/bookmarks.html) but the bookmarks toolbar content is no longer there and I can't find where it is now.. Any ideas, anyone ?

BTW, the cairo crash is still not fixed. Same for the crash at the 1st run after an upgrade, just after the plugin compatibility check. Both were there even in Gutsy's a5.


firefox-granparadiso-bin: /build/buildd/libcairo-1.4.10/src/cairo-hash.c:196: _cairo_hash_table_destroy: Assertion `hash_table->live_entries == 0' failed.
/usr/lib/firefox-granparadiso/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 24458 Aborted (core dumped) "$prog" ${1+"$@"}


(not very disturbing as it crashes only on exit, yet it's dirty)

EDIT:
- Preferences / Security / Show Passwords is empty with a7 so previously remembered passwords are now re-asked. Killing a7 and re-running a5 or a6 shows that passwords are still there, so it's just a7 not using them.
- the "Places" thing is now a sqlite db
EDIT2:
- The empty bookmark toolbar is a known issue: MozBug #389808 (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=389808) (or a dupe #390004 (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=390004)). I wonder why they shipped a7 knowing this :(

[BoyOfDestiny]

I've created debs for alpha7 but I'll not post them anywhere at the moment until I sort a few things out.

Compiling a5 and a6 was piece of cake. a7 proved to be more challenging. The previous debianization no longer applies. I had to redo all the patches, fix some sources and fix the install rules as some mandatory files no longer found their way in the debs.

On top of that, a7 messed up my bookmarks toolbar badly. That's the reason I'm not releasing my debs. Even reverting to a6 or a5 didn't fix it. I had to manually fix the bookmark toolbar which is no longer editable using the "Organize bookmarks" toolbox.
Strange. Seems it's "place" related. No idea what that is and why it only triggered issues with a7. I'd like to fix my toolbar by editing a file as before (~.mozilla/firefox/*.default/bookmarks.html) but the bookmarks toolbar content is no longer there and I can't find where it is now.. Any ideas, anyone ?

BTW, the cairo crash is still not fixed. Same for the crash at the 1st run after an upgrade, just after the plugin compatibility check. Both were there even in Gutsy's a5.


firefox-granparadiso-bin: /build/buildd/libcairo-1.4.10/src/cairo-hash.c:196: _cairo_hash_table_destroy: Assertion `hash_table->live_entries == 0' failed.
/usr/lib/firefox-granparadiso/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 24458 Aborted (core dumped) "$prog" ${1+"$@"}


(not very disturbing as it crashes only on exit, yet it's dirty)

EDIT:
- Preferences / Security / Show Passwords is empty with a7 so previously remembered passwords are now re-asked. Killing a7 and re-running a5 or a6 shows that passwords are still there, so it's just a7 not using them.
- the "Places" thing is now a sqlite db
EDIT2:
- The empty bookmark toolbar is a known issue: MozBug #389808 (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=389808) (or a dupe #390004 (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=390004)). I wonder why they shipped a7 knowing this :(

Hmm I had backed up my old profile, and just imported my bookmarks, so I just moved the tool bar stuff to bookmark toolbar folder (there was a duplicate as it imported it) then set it to sort A to Z. Don't know if that will help you.

As for compiling, I gave that a go, it took a long long time! I compiled dosbox 0.71, mednafen 0.8.3-beta, and audacious and plugins from the mercurial repos right before... Those are much smaller and quicker. I've never tried something as big as mozilla, it's is a huge download, and complained of a missing lib... It took so long, my laptop, fans whirring, coreduo used to its fullest definitely....

So I would recommend this route for those impatient for alpha7


wget http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/granparadiso/alpha7/linux-i386/en-US/granparadiso-alpha7.tar.bz2
tar -xvf granparadiso-alpha7.tar.bz2
cd firefox
./firefox


One can make a shortcut or .desktop file and just go from there. Anyway, good luck. I like compiling some apps, but firefox, I think I will shy away from ;) Hopefully updated alphas or perhaps a beta will be in gutsy in good time.

[ubulette]

So I would recommend this route for those impatient for alpha7

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/granparadiso/alpha7/linux-i386/en-US/granparadiso-alpha7.tar.bz2



I've tried this build Friday and strangely it worked with my profile. So it has to do with my debs. Problem is I don't see what's wrong with my compilation options (similar to my a5 and a6 builds) and I don't know what the Mozilla guys used for their build to be able to compare.

I've traced mine and it occurs it no longer reads bookmarks.html but only places.sqlite (official build reads both). And as for the bug IDs I've mentionned, patches are indeed in a7.

Could be a side effect of this (http://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2007/07/17/support-for-disable-places-and-disable-places-bookmarks-configure-flags-dropped/)

EDIT: I fixed half of the bookmark issue. It's no longer trashed. The remaining issue is that the "Bookmark Toolbar Folder" is shown in the "Bookmarks" menu instead of in the "Bookmarks Toolbar" which remains empty. I'll investigate that later.

[ubulette]

Update: after discussing with mozillateam (https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/), I've discovered we were stuck with the same issues (both a7 and trunk).
We've worked together (that was fun :-D) and I've been able to fix all this in a7. Patches are in my bazaar branch and are being tested so debs should hopefully make their way to the repo soon.

--
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9a7) Gecko/2007080818 GranParadiso/3.0a7

[bikeboy]

As of now the page zoom feature doesn't have any gui interface, this nice extension takes care of it.

http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/07/try-firefox-3-full-page-zoom-with-full-page-zoom/

Yay for real page zoom. Fast, stays in proportion. Thumbs up (heck even made this ubuntuforums post easier ;) )

One tip for those using this, go to about:config in the url bar and in the filter type zoom. Change the key "extensions.fullpagezoom.zoomfactor" to something a little lower. I use 110, but you can try a few values to see what works for you. By default, zooming in/out 200% is a bit too much IMO. So long as it's >100 you'll be fine.

[ubulette]

3.0a7 is in (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-granparadiso/3.0~alpha7-0ubuntu3)

Hope you'll like it like I do :)

Note: we've decided to use a different profile (~/.mozilla/granparadiso) so we'll duplicate the existing one (~/.mozilla/firefox) for you *only once* and work from the copy ever after.

Should be a good thing for testers.. and maybe for those willing to run other versions of firefox too.
Don't be surprised if it diverges though, that's expected but it should not be a problem as long as you're aware that it's a different profile.

oh, and we've tried to fix as many LP bugs are we could.

[RAOF]

Yay! Native GTK form widgets, finally!

[merlyn]

Thankyou.

[ubulette]

I've updated my web site (http://www.sofaraway.org/tmp/gutsy/firefox-granparadiso/) with 3.0~alpha7-0ubuntu5-ubulette1, a preview of 3.0~alpha7-0ubuntu6, which fixes a crash when using java-plugin :)

if you see a crash using totem-plugin, it's a known issue. See LP #131658.
I also have debs of totem fixing that. Tell me if you are interested.

Please, report any other issues to Launchpad. Thanks.

Note: I'm now building debs for Minefield, if there's enough interest, I can make a dedicated mini-repo (as it will never enter gutsy officially).

[forcotton]

Font rendering in gran paradiso is somehow different than the original firefox. I have this patch installed:
Improved subpixel font rendering for Gutsy (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=489326)
Firefox (and everything else) in the repository use this patched rendering, but in Gran Paradiso neither the GUI nor the webpage use it.

This is not a show stopper, but having this patch really makes a difference on my screen.

[ubulette]

Font rendering in gran paradiso is somehow different than the original firefox. I have this patch installed:
Improved subpixel font rendering for Gutsy (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=489326)
Firefox (and everything else) in the repository use this patched rendering, but in Gran Paradiso neither the GUI nor the webpage use it.


could you please post screenshots so that we can see the difference? Thanks.

[forcotton]

Left is Gran Paradiso, right is firefox.
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1170/screenshotbk4.th.png (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotbk4.png)

[litemotiv]

Left is Gran Paradiso, right is firefox.
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1170/screenshotbk4.th.png (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotbk4.png)

actually, i find the GP screen on the left somewhat easier on the eyes. the firefox text has a tiny bit of fuzziness around it that doesn't really improve readability imho.

[forcotton]

the point is not which fonts look nicer I think; they look different on different displays. People do have their preference on which one looks best.

I just wanted to show that Gran Paradiso renders font differently. This is a bug IMO (either in gran paradiso or in the font rendering libraries).

[litemotiv]

the point is not which fonts look nicer I think; they look different on different displays. People do have their preference on which one looks best.

I just wanted to show that Gran Paradiso renders font differently. This is a bug IMO (either in gran paradiso or in the font rendering libraries).

you're absolutely right, i should've put an [OT] notice in my post. ;)

[apoth]

Is anyone else finding that Gran Paradiso has:

(a) Stopped auto-logins working (remembers passwords though)
(b) Started being the main cause of wakeups in powertop? (futex_wait (hrtimer_wakeup))

[ubulette]

apoth, you may want to report that to LP, or even if you feel like it, go dig into bugzilla (even if that could quickly turn into a nightmare #-o)

OTOH, as alpha7-ubuntu6 (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-granparadiso/) is out (fixing the java plugin crash), I've dropped mine. I've also reorganized and moved my own stuff there (http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/minirepos/). Minefield is there now.

EDIT: this Minefield also uses a distinct profile, as now does Granparadiso, initialized with the last known firefox profile, yet this firefox profile remains untouched but those other two.

[fuoco]

anyone knows why granparadiso alpha7 is not available for powerpc?

[ubulette]

anyone knows why granparadiso alpha7 is not available for powerpc?

it failed to build. We have a fix. We'll try to merge it in alpha8 when it's release.

[fuoco]

it failed to build. We have a fix. We'll try to merge it in alpha8 when it's release.

is this fix posted somewhere, as a patch or something?

[ubulette]

is this fix posted somewhere, as a patch or something?

Not yet.
Come to #ubuntu-mozillateam and ask TheMuso.

[oomingmak]

actually, i find the GP screen on the left somewhat easier on the eyes. the firefox text has a tiny bit of fuzziness around it that doesn't really improve readability imho.
They both suck in my opinion. Riddled (as ever) with dirty blots. (http://antigrain.com/research/font_rasterization/index.html#toc0006)

[ubulette]

is this fix posted somewhere, as a patch or something?

I've just committed the patch to both xulrunner-1.9 dev and granparadiso Bazaar branches (on launchpad). I have no way to test it though (no ppc here) so we'll see when we push granparadiso a8 to build in a few days.

[fuoco]

I've just committed the patch to both xulrunner-1.9 dev and granparadiso Bazaar branches (on launchpad). I have no way to test it though (no ppc here) so we'll see when we push granparadiso a8 to build in a few days.

I thought I'd let you know your patch works. I used it and got alpha7 to compile and run on my powerpc. thanks a lot!

[merlyn]

Hi all,

I'm curious has this project gone all quiet?

At the moment I've got 3.0a7 installed, a quick squiz a the swiftfox sight shows debs for 3.0a9.

Got to say that I'm really happy with a7, thanks once again ubulette.

However it would be really interesting to see what progress has been made since.

Cheers.

[ubuntu dave]

Hi all,

I'm curious has this project gone all quiet?

At the moment I've got 3.0a7 installed, a quick squiz a the swiftfox sight shows debs for 3.0a9.

Got to say that I'm really happy with a7, thanks once again ubulette.

However it would be really interesting to see what progress has been made since.

Cheers.

I'm using gran-para too and hoping for some new-stuff to happen sometime soon...!

[feisty_hot_lover]

Personally I think for proper testing the devs are going to have to make more frequent releases. I tried it and I could tell right off the bat that the build was very old. Your not helping the Mozilla community by releasing old builds that have no value in testing and bug fixing. I do think that the idea is a good one but at the very least you should be making available weekly builds, I know that asking for nightly builds through apt would be too much.

[ubulette]

I'm now part of the Mozilla Team (https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/). It's less duplicate work and I think it will benefit more users that way.

Firefox 3.0 alpha 8 is ready on my side. Hopefully, it should be updated in Gutsy in a short while. I'm already working on (and using) a9pre.

The big change I've worked on is the convergence of firefox-granparadiso and firefox-trunk (aka Minefield) into a single firefox-3.0 package *and* using xulrunner-1.9. That's already available in the mozillateam's PPA (https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive).

I've also packaged WebRunner (https://launchpad.net/webrunner/), a runner for Web Applications in dedicated windows like any normal app. I've packaged the latest Kazehakase (https://launchpad.net/kazehakase/) too. As you see, I'm still active but mostly behind the scenes. I still have tons of projects in my pockets ;)

[ubulette]

Personally I think for proper testing the devs are going to have to make more frequent releases. I tried it and I could tell right off the bat that the build was very old. Your not helping the Mozilla community by releasing old builds that have no value in testing and bug fixing. I do think that the idea is a good one but at the very least you should be making available weekly builds, I know that asking for nightly builds through apt would be too much.

We don't want to push incomplete/broken/unfinished packages to gutsy, especially now that beta is behind us. So we do that carefully. We test our stuff :)

By using the PPA of the Mozilla Team, you could have fresher builds. You can even use our branches in the Bazaar with upstream sources, they should build. You're always welcome on irc to help us improve things :)

[feisty_hot_lover]

We don't want to push incomplete/broken/unfinished packages to gutsy, especially now that beta is behind us. So we do that carefully. We test our stuff :)

By using the PPA of the Mozilla Team, you could have fresher builds. You can even use our branches in the Bazaar with upstream sources, they should build. You're always welcome on irc to help us improve things :)Thanks for the info as I didn't know about the PPA and bazzar.

[plun]

By using the PPA of the Mozilla Team, you could have fresher builds. You can even use our branches in the Bazaar with upstream sources, they should build. You're always welcome on irc to help us improve things :)

Well, I must be blind but where is the Minefield package ?

I am less interested in running "old" GranParadiso packages...:)

With FF3 a9 I have had a lot of trouble with Adblock Plus... "crash, boom, bang" and talk back...

Also the usual trouble with dirty codecs and mozilla-mplayer plugin. It seems that Akamai and
the other "big dragons" constantly changes streams.... and stupid Windoze player checks..

Despite of that FF3 is a great browser... Running it since December last year after reading
Debianadmin....:)

[ubulette]

Well, I must be blind but where is the Minefield package ?

well. for those using daily built debs from my site, they know were it is :) I maintain a dedicated minirepo for ff3.

As for the PPA I've mentioned earlier, I want to stick to plain a8 until it is pushed to gutsy, then, I'll push a9pre (Minefield) there.

I am less interested in running "old" GranParadiso packages...:)


that I can understand. Same for me :)

With FF3 a9 I have had a lot of trouble with Adblock Plus... "crash, boom, bang" and talk back...


no problem here, ie with abp 0.7.5.3.

Also the usual trouble with dirty codecs and mozilla-mplayer plugin. It seems that Akamai and
the other "big dragons" constantly changes streams.... and stupid Windoze player checks..

I'm happy with (my patched) totem plugin. (I also have a minirepo for that and my patch is on LP)

[ubuntu dave]

Is there real need to have Gran Paradiso in the Gutsy repos at all any more if we're not testing the builds? It's alpha anyway so presumably not for anyone to really 'use' as their main browser (though I guess many of us do) - so if we're not testing if, we probably shouldn't have it in repos?

I don't know how these decisions are made - just my 2cents!

[ubulette]

Is there real need to have Gran Paradiso in the Gutsy repos at all any more if we're not testing the builds? It's alpha anyway so presumably not for anyone to really 'use' as their main browser (though I guess many of us do) - so if we're not testing if, we probably shouldn't have it in repos?

it's just optional. The default firefox in final gutsy will still be 2.0.0.x.

The idea is to provide ff3 some exposure so bugs are fixed earlier. Could also be useful for extension developers so they are ready when the final ff 3.0.0 will be released. So far, ff3 has very few extensions compatible.

I also would like to see xulrunner 1.9 ( also a8 ) enter gutsy so other xul or gtkmozembed projects could start using its clean SDK instead of the usual firefox-dev. For example, miro, kazehakase, totem plugin, epiphany and many more.

There's no conflict with existing xulrunner 1.8 or firefox 2.* installs.

[plun]

well. for those using daily built debs from my site, they know were it is :) I maintain a dedicated minirepo for ff3.

no problem here, ie with abp 0.7.5.3.

I'm happy with (my patched) totem plugin. (I also have a minirepo for that and my patch is on LP)

OK...then its nothing special with it...Menu help > Check for updates :)

Adblock Plus is strange, I am using "Nigtly tester tool" and forced it for a while ago.
Maybe its time to reinstall Adblock Plus..

A patched Totem sounds interesting... mozilla-mplayer with mplayers codecs has always
worked better for me. Always removes Totem-Mozilla.

All streams in my country are with dirty codes.... real or windoze codecs..

[merlyn]

I'm now part of the Mozilla Team (https://launchpad.net/%7Emozillateam/).

I believe congrats are in order.

Cheers.

[plun]

ubulette... tested newest totem and it also is broken for commercial stuff.

ibgstfaad.so :confused: seen that a long time...

I don't know where to file bugs against this.

It is dirty codecs but its important that a normal user can watch...

Akamai, the biggest dragon also uses similar streams.

http://www.akamai.com/

Example with totem

plun@dunder:~$ totem rtsp://qstream-qt.qbrick.com/00862/aftonbladet1/Sport/0710/m0sp071005ERICA.mp4

(totem:7298): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstfaad.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstfaad.so: undefined symbol: faacDecDecode
Gtk-Message: (for origin information, set GTK_DEBUG): failed to retrieve property `GtkComboBox::appears-as-list' of type `gboolean' from rc file value "((GString*) 0x83f9440)" of type `GString'
sh: jackd: not found
** Message: don't know how to handle audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4, codec_data=(buffer)1208

** (totem:7297): CRITICAL **: gst_adapter_push: assertion `GST_IS_BUFFER (buf)' failed

** (totem:7297): CRITICAL **: gst_adapter_take_buffer: assertion `nbytes > 0' failed

(totem:7297): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_buffer_set_caps: assertion `buffer != NULL' failed

(totem:7297): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_buffer_set_caps: assertion `buffer != NULL' failed
Segmentation fault (core dumped)


Example with mplayer
plun@dunder:~$ mplayer rtsp://qstream-qt.qbrick.com/00862/aftonbladet1/Sport/0710/m0sp071005ERICA.mp4
MPlayer 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu11 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz (Family: 15, Model: 2, Stepping: 7)
CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1
Compiled with runtime CPU detection.
Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0: No such file or directory
Can't init input joystick
mplayer: could not connect to socket
mplayer: No such file or directory
Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control.

Playing rtsp://qstream-qt.qbrick.com/00862/aftonbladet1/Sport/0710/m0sp071005ERICA.mp4.
Resolving qstream-qt.qbrick.com for AF_INET...
Connecting to server qstream-qt.qbrick.com[194.14.242.196]: 554...
A single media stream only is supported atm.
rtsp_session: unsupported RTSP server. Server type is 'DSS/5.5.4 (Build/489.13; Platform/Win32; Release/Darwin; )'.
STREAM_LIVE555, URL: rtsp://qstream-qt.qbrick.com/00862/aftonbladet1/Sport/0710/m0sp071005ERICA.mp4
Stream not seekable!
file format detected.
Initiated "audio/MPEG4-GENERIC" RTP subsession on port 33264
Initiated "video/H264" RTP subsession on port 33266


:)

[ubulette]

ubulette... tested newest totem and it also is broken for commercial stuff.

newest from where ? which version ?


ibgstfaad.so :confused: seen that a long time...


that's in gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse


I don't know where to file bugs against this.

It is dirty codecs but its important that a normal user can watch...


totem or gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse


plun@dunder:~$ totem rtsp://qstream-qt.qbrick.com/00862/aftonbladet1/Sport/0710/m0sp071005ERICA.mp4



works like a charm for me but I'm running my own daily built gstreamer and totem.
PM me if you want to give those a try.

[plun]

newest from where ? which version ?

that's in gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse
totem or gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse
works like a charm for me but I'm running my own daily built gstreamer and totem.
PM me if you want to give those a try.

Ok....

gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse is already the newest version. :^o

I know the adress to your "faraway" repo...:)

Testing...

[Skerit]

So what am I doing wrong because I'm not seeing firefox-granparadisio ANYWHERE in the repository ...

[yostral]

It's no more in it.... don't know why... :(.

[aamukahvi]

So what am I doing wrong because I'm not seeing firefox-granparadisio ANYWHERE in the repository ...

Curious, can't find it anymore.

[Skerit]

Ah, ok, I thought I was going insane ... (Everyone saying it's working like a charm and then not having it pop up in synaptic, grr :p)

I guess I'll just add pollycoke's feisty repos to get it ...

[ubulette]

Curious, can't find it anymore.

a8 has been pushed and built 2 days ago but it's still waiting for approval from archive admins as gutsy is currently frozen.

[EDIT] it's in there, at last :)

[Bastanteroma]

Any word on getting the font rendering in FF3 to match up with the rest of the system?

[screaminj3sus]

Any word on getting the font rendering in FF3 to match up with the rest of the system?

For the love of god please it looks almost as bad as openoffice, Only reason I still deal with the horribly slow ff2 is the fonts.

[gweaver]

Any word on getting the font rendering in FF3 to match up with the rest of the system?

It does look pretty shocking. Not a patch on FF2, though its still better than FF2 under Windows.

[ubulette]

Any word on getting the font rendering in FF3 to match up with the rest of the system?

do you mean the font of the UI or of the page (the content) ?

if it's the UI, it should match, except for the size.
You can control that with the layout.css.dpi key (see about:config) and try to set it to zero (unless you have a buggy X driver, then set the same number as in gnome, like 84 or so).

[gweaver]

I've just messed about with the fonts a little and I'm happy now, it looks pretty similar to FF2.

I think the thing that threw me is that in the content preferences it isn't possible to select Sans-serif, you have to go into the fonts dialog and choose Sans-serif for proportional fonts. And sans-serif as the default Sans-serif font.

Thanks for all the hard work.

[merlyn]

HI folks,

I've just noticed that since upgrading from the 'granparadiso' packages to the 'firefox-3.0' that flash no longer works.

I'm a bit slow on the uptake, obviously.

Thoughts, suggestions . . .

Cheers.

[daverab]

I've noticed java doesn't seem to work. I tried linking the plugins, but java just seems to kill alpha8 automatically.

[sbassett]

I've noticed java doesn't seem to work. I tried linking the plugins, but java just seems to kill alpha8 automatically.

Same deal here, Java Seg Faults 3.0a8

[kerry_s]

nine is out.-> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/

[bikeboy]

To you guys with java problems, which java plugin are you using? I see semi-frequent crashes with java applets using the gcj web plugin, but haven't had a chance to try Sun java5 and java6 platforms instead.

[FredB]

nine is out.-> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/
You're linking to a nightly build, a development version, not the official release.

I am using minefield and trunk ("father" of Gran Paradiso) for a few years now.

Just wait for Ubuntu Hardy Heron to have firefox 3.0. You'll be surprised.

My last about: of minefield :

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9a9pre) Gecko/2007101512 Minefield/3.0a9pre

[merlyn]

Sorry for the double post in a sense.

I take it that as no one has responded to my query regarding Flash, (approx 4 days ago), that I'm the only one for whom it isn't working?

Since the last update that is.

Cheers.

[ubulette]

nine is out.-> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/

no it's not. it's a9pre, so it's trunk, aka Minefield.

I build Minefield in my PPA (https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive) every few days, and I also provide a minirepo updated daily.

[ihavenoname]

what exactly is there to be excited about in ff3? I read mozilla's page but that doesn't really make sense to me. I am talking about how the end user experience change. Is it lighter? Does it have many more features? Or is it a standard upgrade with all the lower level stuff fixed?

[merlyn]

Disregard my last folks, make that the last 2 in fact.

I'd been trying to reinstall flash via the repos rather than using the plugin finder. Worked a treat btw.

Gosh, don't I feel like a total idiot. :oops:

/me runs away to the corner and puts my dunce hat on.

Cheers.

[screaminj3sus]

it's going to have many, many improvements, and also a visual refresh for linux is also supposedly in the works. Memory leaks ect.. fixed, new features (Places) ect.. Faster, better rendering engine.

[Zdravko]

No one ever said WHEN it is going to be released! And will it make into Hardy?

[yostral]

Release should be in march 2008.

[ihavenoname]

it's going to have many, many improvements, and also a visual refresh for linux is also supposedly in the works. Memory leaks ect.. fixed, new features (Places) ect.. Faster, better rendering engine.

ah, thanx that's good to know!

[Zdravko]

Then, it will make it in Hardy Heron?

[FredB]

Release should be in march 2008.

Well, if a beta is out in end of november, it could be right ;)

But I think hardy will have to use a 3.0Rc version :(

[mk04]

I'm running (3.0a9pre) Minefield now, it is pretty stable. Only problems I have is most of my extensions and themes are disabled. Another problem is that it is not fully compatible with Blackboard (can't take tests), but I can post on the discussion boards, no problem. For those who don't know, Blackboard is a program that colleges use to take online classes.

[bikeboy]

mk04, you can install the Nightly Tester Tools extension which, among other things, makes it easy to enable all your extensions to see if they work (even one's that aren't listed as compatible).

[FredB]

I'm running development version of firefox since it was called Phoenix 0.1 ;)

pre-alpha9 are good ones. Let's hope pre-beta1 will be there soon !

[bikeboy]

FredB, you might be interested in this, somebody on Mozillazine posted a link to it recently.
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/ac70f3850add650a/057d1f032b74388a#057d1f032b74388a

[ubulette]

Then, it will make it in Hardy Heron?

I hope so, and we'll update hardy to all milestones in between.

[VicAlpha]

How can I easily install Minefield?

[ubulette]

How can I easily install Minefield?

if you're on i386 or amd64, you can use my PPA (https://launchpad.net/~fta/+archive),
There's also the MozillaTeam PPA but it is less often updated for Minefield. If you want daily updates for i386, search this thread, i offer a minirepo dedicated to FF3.
All 3 are based on the same packaging as gutsy/hardy so you can swap one for the other without issue.
Once the new toolchain is ready, i'll start doing hardy debs.

[VicAlpha]

if you're on i386 or amd64, you can use my PPA (https://launchpad.net/~fta/+archive),
There's also the MozillaTeam PPA but it is less often updated for Minefield. If you want daily updates for i386, search this thread, i offer a minirepo dedicated to FF3.
All 3 are based on the same packaging as gutsy/hardy so you can swap one for the other without issue.
Once the new toolchain is ready, i'll start doing hardy debs.
Where exactly can I find this minirepo?

[ubulette]

Where exactly can I find this minirepo?

Start from there (http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/minirepos/README.txt)

[VicAlpha]

Start from there (http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/minirepos/README.txt)
Ok, it's working. Thanks a lot and nice job btw.

[VicAlpha]

ubulette, I can't access the respo anymore. I'm getting an error 101.

-nvm, it's working

[ubulette]

ubulette, I can't access the respo anymore. I'm getting an error 101.

I haven't changed anything and it works for me.

What is giving that error ? 101 doesn't look like an HTTP error.
(101 means switching protocol).

[screaminj3sus]

Will the font rendering ever be fixed? I have subpixel hinting enabled, it looks great in ff2, but in 3 the fonts look Absolutely awful They don't seem to follow the system settings..

[bikeboy]

I have my main font settings set to Best Contrast because the recent rendering patches made sub-pixel look really bad. Best contrast on my LCD now looks like sub-pixel used to. The Fx3 fonts look as good as ever on this machine, here's some screenies including my Fx font settings.

[Megatog615]

Why does the FF3 in your repo depend on gnome libs?

[ubulette]

Why does the FF3 in your repo depend on gnome libs?

you mean, me ? it's the same set of deps as gutsy.

FF3 is not depending on gnome (I fixed that a while ago) but xulrunner 1.9 still is. I need to fix that too (but so far, no one cared enough to file a bug on LP)

[Megatog615]

Well I'd love to use it but I use KDE. I'd hate to have all those gnome libs just for Firefox.

[ubulette]

Well I'd love to use it but I use KDE. I'd hate to have all those gnome libs just for Firefox.

I just fixed it in my devel branch. My bot should produce new debs (for my minirepo) including this fix really soon. I'll update my PPA later today.

As for hardy, we (the Ubuntu Mozilla Team) don't want to push Minefield releases (a9pre, or alpha9~cvs as we call them) so it has to wait until real a9 (or b1, or whatever upstream decides).

EDIT: my minirepo now has the gnome stuff distinct from the base, for both firefox-3.0 and xulrunner-1.9. I've tested the upgrade path for Gnome users, it works. Please, let me know if that makes your life easier on KDE. Pushing to my PPA now...

[Megatog615]

firefox-3.0 still requires GNOME libs.

[ubulette]

firefox-3.0 still requires GNOME libs.

it would help if you could provide the package name and its version.

In my last version, only firefox-3.0-gnome-support and xulrunner-1.9-gnome-support depend on gnome.

Remember that firefox 3 depends on gtk2 and cairo (plus pango, gdk and friends) but this is not gnome (no libgnomeui, libgnome*2, libbonobo* ...).

BTW, firefox-3.0 beta 1 is due (upstream) in a day or two (depending on QA). =D>
Would be nice to confirm it's fixed, or not, before we push b1 to hardy.

[Megatog615]

Here's what apt looks like:
$ sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
gnome-keyring gnome-mime-data libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common
libgail-common libgail18 libgnome-keyring0 libgnome2-0 libgnome2-common
libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common
libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common xulrunner-1.9
Suggested packages:
firefox-3.0-gnome-support latex-xft-fonts desktop-base gnome-icon-theme
libgnomevfs2-bin
Recommended packages:
libgnomevfs2-extra gnome-mount
The following NEW packages will be installed:
firefox-3.0 gnome-keyring gnome-mime-data libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common
libgail-common libgail18 libgnome-keyring0 libgnome2-0 libgnome2-common
libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common
libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common xulrunner-1.9
0 upgraded, 17 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 13.0MB of archives.
After unpacking 56.2MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?

[ubulette]

Here's what apt looks like:
$ sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
gnome-keyring gnome-mime-data libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common
libgail-common libgail18 libgnome-keyring0 libgnome2-0 libgnome2-common
libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common
libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common xulrunner-1.9


doesn't look like it's the version i've fixed.
please, show me: apt-cache policy firefox-3.0

[barbro]

Is it only me or is the javascript performance in firefox 2/3preX horrible slow?

[FredB]

Horribly slow ? Compared to what ?

And by the way, mozilla will release in some days beta1 of firefox.

Right now, trunk builds are tagged as 3.0b2pre :

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9b2pre) Gecko/2007110720 Minefield/3.0b2pre

[barbro]

compared to firefox in windows or opera in linux

[VinceVanya]

Two questions:

Are updates to Firefox 3 going into Gutsy backports, or do I have to add a ppa?

And are the fonts still rendering in the pre7.10 style? They still are with the downloaded pre-beta binaries, but I hoped that the version in the repo might fix that thanks to some configuration magic.

[yostral]

Are updates to Firefox 3 going into Gutsy backports, or do I have to add a ppa?
Add :
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/fta/ubuntu gutsy main universe

[Bastanteroma]

Any tricks for changing the font rendering?

Fonts in Minefield on 7.10 look like the fonts did in 7.04, which was before the change to freetype's subpixel rendering. This has to do with Cairo, apparently?

[aamukahvi]

BTW, firefox-3.0 beta 1 is due (upstream) in a day or two (depending on QA). =D>
Would be nice to confirm it's fixed, or not, before we push b1 to hardy.
How are things looking? :)

[ubulette]

Two questions:

Are updates to Firefox 3 going into Gutsy backports, or do I have to add a ppa?


we'll probably push 3.0 b1 (final) to gutsy.

I've just pushed 3.0 b1 RC3 to hardy. It should build in the next few hours, there's a merge flood in progress :)

[EDIT] it's there ! enjoy

[gimmy_bond]

since the Synampic does not include the latest version of FF3. I was wondering could anyone direct us to the repository (that works) to update the gran Paradiso to the latest beta version. currently I have the 3.0a8.

thanks

[yostral]

In Hardy Universe Repo you have the 3.0 beta3 version.

[gimmy_bond]

thanks for the reply.
where do I find this repository. Also since I would rather not upgrade my feisty to the the Hardy until it is released. I guest, no "upgrade" command. Just update the firefox-3.0 and disable this repository.

[yostral]

hum... you are here in Hardy section... So I thought you were on Hardy... sorry !

[gimmy_bond]

me too, I just wanted to keep up with FF3's latest release. I was hoping Synoptics somehow would include the updated version of Gran Pardiso.

I guess some of us will have to wait until the Hardy is released, which (hopefully) it will include the final version of firefox 3.,

[amano]

we'll probably push 3.0 b1 (final) to gutsy.

I've just pushed 3.0 b1 RC3 to hardy. It should build in the next few hours, there's a merge flood in progress :)

[EDIT] it's there ! enjoy

On my Gutsy Alpha 8 still seens to be the version in the repositories. Is there a chance to have beta 2 or 3 backported?

[syxbit]

i installed swiftfox 3 beta2.
runs great!.
installed a .deb right on gutsy with no problems.
what is this beta3 you're talking about?
i thought the latest was beta2 (unless the beta 3 is specific to linux)

[Sand Lee]

On my Gutsy Alpha 8 still seens to be the version in the repositories. Is there a chance to have beta 2 or 3 backported?
Official Gutsy (experimental/testiing) backport PPA: https://launchpad.net/~fta/+archive
Add the Gutsy repos (select from drop-down) to your sources. Reload and FF3b2 willl be in synaptic.

[fuoco]

Official Gutsy (experimental/testiing) backport PPA: https://launchpad.net/~fta/+archive
Add the Gutsy repos (select from drop-down) to your sources. Reload and FF3b2 willl be in synaptic.

Thing is these PPA repositories for some reason never include builds for powerpc. I cannot understand why since there's lpia... Does anyone know where can i get debs for powerpc?

[RAOF]

Thing is these PPA repositories for some reason never include builds for powerpc. I cannot understand why since there's lpia... Does anyone know where can i get debs for powerpc?

The PPA buildds only build for x86-related architectures, because they use Xen virtual machines (https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart#head-54e4483162aa3a0244619503ebfefeed4e451f60) which only work on x86ish archs. To build for $YOUR_ARCH you can add the deb-src line from the PPA and run

sudo apt-get build-dep
apt-get -b source <packagename>

to get the build-dependencies for the package, download the source and build it. You'll end up with some .debs in the directory you ran those commands in, which you can install with dpkg.

[merlyn]

i installed swiftfox 3 beta2.
runs great!.
installed a .deb right on gutsy with no problems.
what is this beta3 you're talking about?
i thought the latest was beta2 (unless the beta 3 is specific to linux)

Followed up on your advice and chased down the latest Swiftfox, Gecko/2008011219 Firefox/3.0b3pre (Swiftfox).

Installed without a hitch, picking up all addons, (of course some are incompatible), themes, bookmarks & plug ins.

A quick whirl with the password exporter/importer plugin and that's it.

It's really fast.

I guess that's the beauty of having access to a build for your specific CPU.

[billmik]

Anyone know how to uninstall this from gutsy?