DOJ Pushes Microsoft to Produce Vista SP1 in '07

[pcybill]

An interesting read;

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,133186-c,microsoftantitrustcase/article.html

[A*p]

Will be interesting to see what happens. They may just rush the required changes and leave a load of bugs untouched until sp2. It is a real sign of crap code when the DOJ has to force a company to fix its own "WOW" factor software.

[kamaboko]

LOL. Google is a whiny bitch. Why the hell would I want to use a Google app to search through my HD?

[insane_alien]

yeah. because the first thing a company known for its buggy software needs to do is rush the fix to a buggy bit of software it took 5 years making.

[kamaboko]

yeah. because the first thing a company known for its buggy software needs to do is rush the fix to a buggy bit of software it took 5 years making.

Say what you will, but my Vista install has been bullet proof. I love the built-in search feature. Google can take a hike on this one.

[Adamant1988]

Say what you will, but my Vista install has been bullet proof. I love the built-in search feature. Google can take a hike on this one.

Then don't replace it? Microsoft has used this technique before to win against competitors, look what it did with Internet Explorer vs Netscape. If Microsoft directly integrates a technology in Windows that competes with another existing technology it essentially makes competition impossible on Windows.

[mr.farenheit]

i laugh at the fact that its just patches and patches and patches. you can't over patch a bike tire like windows does their OS, cause then it'd be all patches and not tire. fix the damn source code.

[kamaboko]

i laugh at the fact that its just patches and patches and patches. you can't over patch a bike tire like windows does their OS, cause then it'd be all patches and not tire. fix the damn source code.

And how many patches have I had on Ubuntu the last month???? OH....I forgot...that's different. They weren't patches...they were enhancements.

[karellen]

And how many patches have I had on Ubuntu the last month???? OH....I forgot...that's different. They weren't patches...they were enhancements.

not enhancements. updates
;)

[kamaboko]

not enhancements. updates
;)

LOL. OK...for Ubuntu they're updates, and for Vista they're patches. Got it now.

[LaRoza]

I have Vista and Ubuntu Feisty, they are the original versions, no updates, Feisty doesn't need them, Vista gets steadily worse. Vista seems to NEED them, Ubuntu doesn't.

[insane_alien]

90% of the updates ubuntu gets are security updates. this is because people develop new ways to attack systems. linux is a security orientated system and ocasionally you are going to get vulnerable software that might not have been vulnerable before. it happens with anything.

as for the windows patches, a lot of them are actually for fixing BUGS as well as the usual round of security updates. now, for an OS where you have cough up a good chunk of cash, you would expect not to need bug fixes. you would only expect to get patches that cover security holes and add functionality.

what you get is a load of bug fixes and reduced functionality with minimal security fixes.

[kamaboko]

90% of the updates ubuntu gets are security updates. this is because people develop new ways to attack systems. linux is a security orientated system and ocasionally you are going to get vulnerable software that might not have been vulnerable before. it happens with anything.

as for the windows patches, a lot of them are actually for fixing BUGS as well as the usual round of security updates. now, for an OS where you have cough up a good chunk of cash, you would expect not to need bug fixes. you would only expect to get patches that cover security holes and add functionality.

what you get is a load of bug fixes and reduced functionality with minimal security fixes.

OK...we should just disregard these BUGS then...

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+bugs


Face it...Ubuntu and MS have bugs and security problems, period.

[insane_alien]

oh i know ubuntu has bugs, its just we have a lot less bugs and a lot less serious bugs than MS has.

i'm not trying to claim ubuntu is perfect.

and look at the high priority bugs, they really aren't that noticeable to the majority of users who will never come across them.

[karellen]

the fact is that Ubuntu is free, so take the best of it and learn new things and don't complain.
on the other hand, when you pay considerable amount of money for an os (Vista here) you expect alot from it, to be safe and virtually bug free. in a word: damn good

[kamaboko]

the fact is that Ubuntu is free, so take the best of it and learn new things and don't complain.
on the other hand, when you pay considerable amount of money for an os (Vista here) you expect alot from it, to be safe and virtually bug free. in a word: damn good

I'll remember that with respect to cars, homes, electric appliances, etc. Higher cost = perfection. Yep...I'll keep that in mind.

[Sunforge]

Surely the problem is that today's OS's, regardless of how they're developed and what flavour they are, is that they are required to do so much with so many applications that have different requirements that you're bound to run into problems in the end.

By the looks of it computer use will cross 1 billion this year:

http://www.c-i-a.com/pr0305.htm

That's an awful lot of people pulling in different directions and expecting their computers to work.

Personally I'm pretty happy with a computer that's user proof and doesn't expire in a shower of sparks when I least expect it. Perhaps, after years of wrestling with all shapes and sizes of machine, I've lowered my expectations though.

[GFC2]

On the topic of the OP, if the integrated Vista quick search is anti-competitive, then what is the Spotlight feature in OS10.4? Seems there's a standard being selectively applied. Google search was a nice add-on for XP, but in Vista it's a kludge that boosts RAM use by about 250 MB over what Vista uses natively and doesn't really replace the Vista instant search feature.

Most of the Vista updates are security related, just like Ubuntu.