[SOLVED] future of ubuntu and installers

[John Hornbeck]

On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 07:45 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 18:42 +0200, Erik B?gfors wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:38:22 +0100, Colin Watson <cjwatson@canonical.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 06:30:49PM +0200, Erik B?gfors wrote:
> > > > I read somewhere that you were considering to move to anaconda as a
> > > > installer for the next ubuntu release. Is that so?
> > >
> > > I don't believe so, certainly not as the default.
> >
> > Great! Here is one place I found it btw.
> >
> > http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HoaryHedgehog
>
> That says a graphical installer based on d-i or Anaconda. :-) At this
> stage, using Anaconda seems unlikely, but it is always an option.
>
> - Jeff

Is there no way to hack the Progeny Anaconda installer to work with
Ubuntu? Seems like not much would really need to be changed. Just a
thought.
John

[Nathaniel McCallum]

On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 22:36 -0500, John Hornbeck wrote:
> Is there no way to hack the Progeny Anaconda installer to work with
> Ubuntu? Seems like not much would really need to be changed. Just a
> thought.

I've read throught the Anaconda code. Though it is a nice installer
from a user perspective, the code is a wreck. I'd even venture to say
near unmaintainable. I'd much rather see work go into graphical DI,
though that is just my opinion.

Nathaniel

[Jeff Waugh]

On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 22:36 -0500, John Hornbeck wrote:
> Is there no way to hack the Progeny Anaconda installer to work with
> Ubuntu? Seems like not much would really need to be changed. Just a
> thought.

Anaconda is an old codebase put through the wringer to support a
different operating system. Lots of cruft and workarounds. On the other
hand, our modified d-i is surprisingly simple (once you get the zen of
it), and we have a primary developer on the team.

Also, we're down to less than ten questions. Anaconda for Progeny sits
around twenty. Removing them would be challenging, particularly when you
consider the codebase as described above. :-)

So it seems the quickest way to a maintainable graphical installer (and
worthwhile contributions to Debian) is not Anaconda. :-)

- Jeff

--
Ooh, ooh, ooh! http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ Ubuntu!

[John Hornbeck]

On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 14:11 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 22:36 -0500, John Hornbeck wrote:
> > Is there no way to hack the Progeny Anaconda installer to work with
> > Ubuntu? Seems like not much would really need to be changed. Just a
> > thought.
>
> Anaconda is an old codebase put through the wringer to support a
> different operating system. Lots of cruft and workarounds. On the other
> hand, our modified d-i is surprisingly simple (once you get the zen of
> it), and we have a primary developer on the team.
>
> Also, we're down to less than ten questions. Anaconda for Progeny sits
> around twenty. Removing them would be challenging, particularly when you
> consider the codebase as described above. :-)
>
> So it seems the quickest way to a maintainable graphical installer (and
> worthwhile contributions to Debian) is not Anaconda. :-)

I can't wait to see this d-i installer. I have never read through
Anaconda code so I guess I didn't know any better. Let everyone know
when we can start testing out this new stuff and submitting bugs to you
guys.
John

[Jeff Waugh]

On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 18:42 +0200, Erik B?gfors wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:38:22 +0100, Colin Watson <cjwatson@canonical.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 06:30:49PM +0200, Erik B?gfors wrote:
> > > I read somewhere that you were considering to move to anaconda as a
> > > installer for the next ubuntu release. Is that so?
> >
> > I don't believe so, certainly not as the default.
>
> Great! Here is one place I found it btw.
>
> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HoaryHedgehog

That says a graphical installer based on d-i or Anaconda. :-) At this
stage, using Anaconda seems unlikely, but it is always an option.

- Jeff

--
Ooh, ooh, ooh! http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ Ubuntu!

[Erik Bågfors]

Hi.

I read somewhere that you were considering to move to anaconda as a
installer for the next ubuntu release. Is that so?

If so, why?

The new debian installer works very good. I've never been friends with
redhat installs at all.
By using d-i you will also be able to give lot's back to debian and be
good part of the debian comunity.

One of the reason I like ubuntu is that you plan to give everything
back to debian.

Regards,
Erik

[Colin Watson]

On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 06:30:49PM +0200, Erik B?gfors wrote:
> I read somewhere that you were considering to move to anaconda as a
> installer for the next ubuntu release. Is that so?

I don't believe so, certainly not as the default.

> The new debian installer works very good. I've never been friends with
> redhat installs at all.
> By using d-i you will also be able to give lot's back to debian and be
> good part of the debian comunity.
>
> One of the reason I like ubuntu is that you plan to give everything
> back to debian.

Agreed.

Cheers,

--
Colin Watson [cjwatson@canonical.com]

[Erik Bågfors]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:38:22 +0100, Colin Watson <cjwatson@canonical.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 06:30:49PM +0200, Erik B?gfors wrote:
> > I read somewhere that you were considering to move to anaconda as a
> > installer for the next ubuntu release. Is that so?
>
> I don't believe so, certainly not as the default.

Great! Here is one place I found it btw.

http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HoaryHedgehog


Regards,
Erik