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Jeff Waugh
November 15th, 2004, 06:25 PM
On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 12:09 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> I think it's important to expand universe as much as possible during
> this time. Please don't wait for Hoary to open up, let's get anything
> good into universe now, because we will be deluged with requests for it
> post-release if we don't, and people will end up running half-warty
> half-hoary systems, which will be a mess.

Alright, given that it's unsupported, I can concentrate my queasiness on
other things. ;-)

One other very important requirement is that these packages not require
new versions of software in main (or, 'supported'). I'll document that
on the wiki page.

- Jeff

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Mark Shuttleworth
November 15th, 2004, 06:25 PM
I think it's important to expand universe as much as possible during
this time. Please don't wait for Hoary to open up, let's get anything
good into universe now, because we will be deluged with requests for it
post-release if we don't, and people will end up running half-warty
half-hoary systems, which will be a mess.

We've unblocked the kde builds which solved many of the requests. Let's
make sure we've unblocked any other universe builds, and accept any
other submissions for universe from users who have done the work to make
the packages happen. For warty the process can be absolutely simply:

- user makes updated source package available
- user documents that package on a wiki page
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates
- James reviews licence and submits package for build

Yes, we'll want something more rigorous for Hoary, but I think we should
get this in for warty now, or put up with a lot of WTF? reactions in a
month's time.

Jeff Waugh wrote:

>On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 08:41 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
>
>
>>Matt how would you feel about setting up a procedure where users can
>>contribute updated packages for universe / multiverse. They would need
>>to have (a) built it on a Warty system, (b) made sure it was clear of
>>known security bugs. If nothing else, SOME external review and updating
>>of universe / multiverse packages would be better than none.
>>
>>
>
>I'd be happy with this, once we have a clear process, but only for
>Hoary. :-)
>
>[ Please start new threads so we don't lose things. :-) ]
>
>- Jeff
>
>
>

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Jeff Waugh
November 15th, 2004, 06:25 PM
On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 08:41 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> Matt how would you feel about setting up a procedure where users can
> contribute updated packages for universe / multiverse. They would need
> to have (a) built it on a Warty system, (b) made sure it was clear of
> known security bugs. If nothing else, SOME external review and updating
> of universe / multiverse packages would be better than none.

I'd be happy with this, once we have a clear process, but only for
Hoary. :-)

[ Please start new threads so we don't lose things. :-) ]

- Jeff

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Ian MacLean
November 15th, 2004, 06:25 PM
Thanks guys. I'm still getting some dependency issues - libicu etc but
I'm on the right track.

I tried dpkg -i *.deb previously but misread the error message and
assumed it wasn't calculating dependencies.

Ian

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:04:59 +1000, Jeff Waugh <jeff.waugh@canonical.com> wrote:
> <quote who="Ian MacLean">
>
> > This will seem like a lame question - but how do I install those packages
> > once I've downloaded them ? I've tried dpkg -i and various incantations of
> > apt-get but one doesn't calculate the dependencies and the other wants to
> > download things. is there an equivalent of rpm -Uhv *.rpm ?
>
> Oh, well, what you need to do is:
>
> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
>
> Add this line to your sources.list, there will be a bunch of similar ones
> for our archives:
>
> deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
>
> sudo apt-get update
>
> sudo apt-get install muine (or other package names)
>
> There you go! :-)
>
> (for what it's worth, and you won't have to use this very often, but the
> equivalent of your rpm command is dpkg -i *.deb)
>
>
>
> - Jeff
>
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Jeff Waugh
November 15th, 2004, 06:25 PM
<quote who="Ian MacLean">

> This will seem like a lame question - but how do I install those packages
> once I've downloaded them ? I've tried dpkg -i and various incantations of
> apt-get but one doesn't calculate the dependencies and the other wants to
> download things. is there an equivalent of rpm -Uhv *.rpm ?

Oh, well, what you need to do is:

sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list

Add this line to your sources.list, there will be a bunch of similar ones
for our archives:

deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./

sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get install muine (or other package names)

There you go! :-)

(for what it's worth, and you won't have to use this very often, but the
equivalent of your rpm command is dpkg -i *.deb)

- Jeff

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Ian MacLean
November 15th, 2004, 06:25 PM
This will seem like a lame question - but how do I install those
packages once I've downloaded them ? I've tried dpkg -i and various
incantations of apt-get but one doesn't calculate the dependencies and
the other wants to download things.
is there an equivalent of
rpm -Uhv *.rpm ?

Ian


On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 04:41:02 +1000, Jeff Waugh <jeff.waugh@canonical.com> wrote:
> <quote who="Brandon Hale">
>
> > Last night I stayed up late grabbing source packages from Sid
> > and building against Warty. Here's the resulting packages
> > for mono, muine, and blam, hopefully someone finds this useful.
> >
> > deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
>
> Rock! Thanks Brandon - Cc'ing this over to our devel list. We might include
> Mono in HoaryHedgehog, so early testing of these against WartyWarthog would
> be great. :-)
>
> - Jeff
>
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Tom von Schwerdtner
November 15th, 2004, 06:25 PM
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Jeff Waugh
November 15th, 2004, 06:25 PM
<quote who="Brandon Hale">

> Last night I stayed up late grabbing source packages from Sid
> and building against Warty. Here's the resulting packages
> for mono, muine, and blam, hopefully someone finds this useful.
>
> deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./

Rock! Thanks Brandon - Cc'ing this over to our devel list. We might include
Mono in HoaryHedgehog, so early testing of these against WartyWarthog would
be great. :-)

- Jeff

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