Safari =D

[bl3s5in]

Well the Safari public beta 3 is out for Windows, and I have to say it is so much faster then Firefox. I think it is time to say good bye to our old freind... ='( good night sweet prince.

[Dragonbite]

Well the Safari public beta 3 is out for Windows, and I have to say it is so much faster then Firefox. I think it is time to say good bye to our old freind... ='( good night sweet prince.I wouldn't get rid of Firefox just yet, wait until it's out of Beta. At least this is a good start (using Safari to write this right now).

I do hope they port it to *nix sometime soon!

[_narayan]

I wouldn't get rid of Firefox just yet, wait until it's out of Beta. At least this is a good start (using Safari to write this right now).

Sound advice, it's a promising start but I'd be waiting for something more stable

[bl3s5in]

I am using it right now and it is 100% stable. I did not see that there was already a thread on this in the main other os talk board, sorry.

[Dragonbite]

I am using it right now and it is 100% stable. I did not see that there was already a thread on this in the main other os talk board, sorry.I've used it for about an hour and it's so far very stable too!

I doubt it will have any problems/issues with stability, Apple is fairly good about that, but I'm sure if there are any issues (like if you notice, the drop-down boxes in UbuntuForums do not drop down, they are just links.. like under User CP, or Thread tools.)

But it's a good start. Hopefully it will help sites start thinking more about making sure all browsers render properly, not just IE.

[Hendrixski]

Well the Safari public beta 3 is out for Windows, and I have to say it is so much faster then Firefox. I think it is time to say good bye to our old freind... ='( good night sweet prince.

Umm, safari is basically the rendering engine from Konqueror with a proprietary interface... in fact, Apple did a **** poor job of pushing their source code modifications up stream. Konqueror has always been faster than Firefox.

So you already have safari on linux by installing konqueror ... don't reward Apple for being a bunch of pricks.

[bl3s5in]

Since when was konqueror on Windows?

[laxmanb]

It's also less compatible... and I already use Opera on Windows which i L-O-V-E!

Oh yeah... it looks awful on Vista, they found a security exploit for Safari in a few hours. I'm sure that if OS X had Windows' 95% market share, I'm sure it would have just as many viruses, etc...

[bl3s5in]

Less compatible with what?

[laxmanb]

Less compatible with what?

It's less compatible than either firefox or IE on a lot of web sites (blogging software, etc. etc.)...


and another killer feature... you can't add any search provider other than Google/Yahoo to the search box...

[karellen]

did it happen to anyone safari to crash in windows? it crashes here every time I try to change something/anything in the preferences menu...

[Dragonbite]

did it happen to anyone safari to crash in windows? it crashes here every time I try to change something/anything in the preferences menu... I changed my settings without any issues.

[bl3s5in]

did it happen to anyone safari to crash in windows? it crashes here every time I try to change something/anything in the preferences menu...

Report a bug.

[Dragonbite]

did it happen to anyone safari to crash in windows? it crashes here every time I try to change something/anything in the preferences menu...Ok, I have to update my experience.. it crashed on me when I tried printing a page this morning (I was printing it to an Adobe PDF).

Even though it crashed, though, it did sucessfully print the PDF but had a margin of practically 0"! I could not even change it in the printer settings for Safari, while IE printed it with the set margins (0.6") without issue.

[ButteBlues]

It's less compatible than either firefox or IE on a lot of web sites (blogging software, etc. etc.)...


and another killer feature... you can't add any search provider other than Google/Yahoo to the search box...
As for the former, blame the code on the website.

Strictly speaking, WebKit is the most-standards-compliant rendering engine there is.

[moore.bryan]

not to hijack the thread or anything, but is anyone else suffering from the random and complete safari crash when it asks for your proxy username/password?

i'm stuck on xp AND behind a proxy at work. i saw talk on the safari forums about the crash, but no word on a fix...

[karellen]

Report a bug.

I've done something better: uninstalled it

[ButteBlues]

I've done something better: uninstalled it
You should still report the bug for the sake of anyone else who might have the issue down the road.

[moore.bryan]

You should still report the bug for the sake of anyone else who might have the issue down the road.
as far as the apple forums tell us, it already has been... several times. ;-)
thank <insert name of higher power here> for betas!

[Dragonbite]

not to hijack the thread or anything, but is anyone else suffering from the random and complete safari crash when it asks for your proxy username/password?

i'm stuck on xp AND behind a proxy at work. i saw talk on the safari forums about the crash, but no word on a fix...
I don't get crashes.. it just hangs.

[uggeli]

As for the former, blame the code on the website.

Strictly speaking, WebKit is the most-standards-compliant rendering engine there is.

What comes to webkit, it was intresting to read this: http://swik.net/GNOME/Planet+GNOME/Hubert+Figuiere%3A+Browser+wars%3A+a+new+hope/ba22x


KDE4 will have KHTML coming directly from Apple's repository


And there is also mentioned (on that page) that WebKit/Gtk+ is coming ( link named as: including Alp's port to Maemo): http://www.atoker.com/blog/2007/06/12/webkitgtk-is-coming/

So hopefully we soon see Epiphany using webKit, would be great lightweight alternative to Firefox.

[ButteBlues]

What comes to webkit, it was intresting to read this: http://swik.net/GNOME/Planet+GNOME/Hubert+Figuiere%3A+Browser+wars%3A+a+new+hope/ba22x



And there is also mentioned (on that page) that WebKit/Gtk+ is coming ( link named as: including Alp's port to Maemo): http://www.atoker.com/blog/2007/06/12/webkitgtk-is-coming/

So hopefully we soon see Epiphany using webKit, would be great lightweight alternative to Firefox.
Indeed!

I'd read the WebKit/GTK+ article just the other night and was excited.

[wh0rd]

Safari is horrid, like it's iTunes cousin from Apple. If you want something like that, use Konqueror.

[Dragonbite]

Now that the luster of "new" and "cool" is fading, or is it Steve Jobs is moving further away and I'm falling less under the effect of his "reality warping field", I'm finding Safari less stable than at first.

I've had it crash on me a few times, as well as getting "cannot load page" errors. At first it was very rare, but I'm finding it happening more and more.

Plus the button to close the tab being on the left side keeps messing me up (I keep closing the tab NEXT to the one I want to close!).

I'm not sure if anybody else has this, but clicking on the Safari in the task bar does not minimize Safari.. I can only minimize it by using the left button on the top-right corner.

QUESTIONS: Is there a keystroke combination to allow you to move from one active tab to another (like CNTRL + Page Up/Down in Firefox)?

[karellen]

Now that the luster of "new" and "cool" is fading, or is it Steve Jobs is moving further away and I'm falling less under the effect of his "reality warping field", I'm finding Safari less stable than at first.

I've had it crash on me a few times, as well as getting "cannot load page" errors. At first it was very rare, but I'm finding it happening more and more.

Plus the button to close the tab being on the left side keeps messing me up (I keep closing the tab NEXT to the one I want to close!).

I'm not sure if anybody else has this, but clicking on the Safari in the task bar does not minimize Safari.. I can only minimize it by using the left button on the top-right corner.

QUESTIONS: Is there a keystroke combination to allow you to move from one active tab to another (like CNTRL + Page Up/Down in Firefox)?

yeap, I had the crashing problems. and with minimize. I tried to fill a bug report for the crashes and guess what: in crashed. the whole thing :lolflag:

[teddybairs1]

Not to rain on anyone's parade or anything, but why are you guys tripping out over a proprietary browser (albeit mostly taken from konqueror) which doesn't even run on Linux, and probably never will. It doesn't even install under wine (I tried just for fun).
Linux has Firefox, Opera, Epiphany, Konqueror, and others; all of which are good browsers with various strengths and weaknesses. The one I'm using now, Epiphany, is a good, lightweight browser which so far seems to be able to render everything I throw at as well as FF, except it doesn't crash on me like FF does every once in a while.
I guess it just seems, well, a little out of place on the forums. Just my opinion.:)

[_narayan]

I guess it just seems, well, a little out of place on the forums. Just my opinion.:)

This is what the Windows Discussions forum is for ;)

[karellen]

Not to rain on anyone's parade or anything, but why are you guys tripping out over a proprietary browser (albeit mostly taken from konqueror) which doesn't even run on Linux, and probably never will. It doesn't even install under wine (I tried just for fun).
Linux has Firefox, Opera, Epiphany, Konqueror, and others; all of which are good browsers with various strengths and weaknesses. The one I'm using now, Epiphany, is a good, lightweight browser which so far seems to be able to render everything I throw at as well as FF, except it doesn't crash on me like FF does every once in a while.
I guess it just seems, well, a little out of place on the forums. Just my opinion.:)

it's windows discussion section, you know. and we're talking here about a program for windows. so what's the problem?

[teddybairs1]

Sorry, I didn't realize it was the windows discussion forum. My bad.

[Depressed Man]

Safari is horrid, like it's iTunes cousin from Apple. If you want something like that, use Konqueror.

Haven't tried Safari yet (though initial reports don't impress me much especially if it's anything like its OSX version). But I tried iTunes and prefer foobar2000 way over iTunes. So I can probably guess that Firefox and Opera are going be more prefered by me then Safari.

But hey, at least it beats IE6.

[Dark-Ace]

ok, what is up with you people? I mean its a darned Beta bersion, BETA not full version, just stop complaining about the BETA version, of course the beta version is gonna have its flaws, i mean heck maybe the beta version will suck so much that Jobs won't even make a full version so stop darned complaining about the BETA......finaly,got that off my back, i mean i did seem to like it but it was kinda slow but hey i ain't complaining, i'll re-Download if a full version comes out.

[Depressed Man]

I agree that it shouldn't be receiving all the flak for being a beta version, but Apple (or Jobbs rather) did promote it rather heavily (if I remember) as being the best browser. If your going talk the talk, then you should walk the walk. But then again we are talking about companies and companies and politicans never walk their talk.

[ButteBlues]

I agree that it shouldn't be receiving all the flak for being a beta version, but Apple (or Jobbs rather) did promote it rather heavily (if I remember) as being the best browser. If your going talk the talk, then you should walk the walk. But then again we are talking about companies and companies and politicans never walk their talk.
Its rendering engine _is_ the best. No question.

The browser itself is a little buggy at the moment.

[karellen]

am I the only one who happen to (really) like the font rendering?
:D

[Adamant1988]

am I the only one who happen to (really) like the font rendering?
:D

Nah, I like it too :)

[Citizin]

Safari has 3 DoS Exploits and 2 Code Injection Vurnerabilities, I have it installed myself, but I find it slower than even IE. (Connection:12MB/1.2MB)

[Extreme Coder]

Its rendering engine _is_ the best. No question.

The browser itself is a little buggy at the moment.
KDE's KHTML is VERY similar to it, and in KDE 4, both Apple and KDE will share the WebKit rendering engine (KDE will merge KHTML with WebKit)

[Ultra Magnus]

Have you ever used a Mac! They look really pretty but seriously, I have never been impressed with the quality of any of the software to come out of apple! Think iTunes and Quicktime - the two worst media players in excistance - worse than real player and windows media player.

And if its from apple, be sure that it will take over your computer. And security - unlike linux which is actually more secure, Mac mascerades behind the wall of obscurity to provide security (more people use linux than macs).

No way will I get safari - hopefully, mozilla will stop the firefox feature bloat and return to the slick fast fox we used to know!

[vexorian]

No way will I get safari - hopefully, mozilla will stop the firefox feature bloat and return to the slick fast fox we used to know!

It is a myth to think that additional features cause slowdowns... An RSS feed parser won't make firefox slower if you are not parsing any page.

Optimizing firefox depends on other things, I still prefer it over safari and opera though.

KDE4 will work on windows which would make safari kind of worthless if you ask.

[Quillz]

Safari 3 works surprisingly well for me on Vista and XP, but the UI is just awful, slow and doesn't fit with Windows at all.

[karellen]

Safari 3 works surprisingly well for me on Vista and XP, but the UI is just awful, slow and doesn't fit with Windows at all.

well, it fits pretty well with mac os x...(what a surprise :D)

[Motoxrdude]

Currently going to try it with wine.
EDIT: Nope, doesnt work.

[ButteBlues]

KDE's KHTML is VERY similar to it

Currently, it is not. Apple and KDE went in very different directions when Apple forked the code.

and in KDE 4, both Apple and KDE will share the WebKit rendering engine (KDE will merge KHTML with WebKit)

I'm aware of this, but I use a browser based on what it does now - not what it purports it will do in 4 months from now. ;)

[Johnsie]

It's beta and it's rubbish. No plugins???? Firefox betas had plugins. Comparing Firefox to Safari is like comparing a PC to a V-tech. Safari browses the web and thats it. Safari has no secret ingrdient that makes it any better than any other browser. Do they think that jsut carrying the name apple will make peope want to use it?

[ButteBlues]

It's beta and it's rubbish. No plugins???? Firefox betas had plugins. Comparing Firefox to Safari is like comparing a PC to a V-tech. Safari browses the web and thats it. Safari has no secret ingrdient that makes it any better than any other browser. Do they think that jsut carrying the name apple will make peope want to use it?
Again, its rendering engine is leagues beyond what Gecko offers.

Different strokes for different folks.

[karellen]

It's beta and it's rubbish. No plugins???? Firefox betas had plugins. Comparing Firefox to Safari is like comparing a PC to a V-tech. Safari browses the web and thats it. Safari has no secret ingrdient that makes it any better than any other browser. Do they think that jsut carrying the name apple will make peope want to use it?

I like the "feel" and how it renders pages...it's a browser, and does what every other browser does: surfs the net. I never liked extensions and I don't use them in firefox (except one, the one that allows easy access to ubuntuforums)

[Dragonbite]

I like the feature of being able to resize a textbox on the page on-the-fly. Spiffy!

[mitchellthegreat]

Safari is SOOOOOO much better than Konqueror or Opera. I've used FireFox before and I thought that Safari 2.0 (or whatever) was better than it. But when I tried FireFox, I was not impressed... Also, more plugins means more messes. I don't think you need plugins, so long as the browser has the essentials.

[Dragonbite]

Ok.. I had fun with it, but especially after when I updated it I lost my bookmarks and such I'm back with Firefox now.

There is potential, gotta admit that.

[Citizin]

Firefox 2 is IMHO one of the best web browser avalible, I laugh at safari, theres exploits and bugs that were revealed the first day (google them). Firefox 2 has lots of plugins, that dosn't mean its messy, I could install 20 new plugins and it still starts up just as fast and browses just as fast, and safari really ain't all its hyped up to be on the website.

Firefox 2 > Shitfari
IE 7 *= Shitfari
Konqueror <?> Shitfari (I dont use K)

[karellen]

Firefox 2 is IMHO one of the best web browser avalible, I laugh at safari, theres exploits and bugs that were revealed the first day (google them). Firefox 2 has lots of plugins, that dosn't mean its messy, I could install 20 new plugins and it still starts up just as fast and browses just as fast, and safari really ain't all its hyped up to be on the website.

Firefox 2 > Shitfari
IE 7 *= Shitfari
Konqueror <?> Shitfari (I dont use K)

Firefox has bugs and exploits too. and anyway, this is a beta program....with all the unforseen consequences
"Shitfari "...very mature, indeed ;)

[Dragonbite]

Ok, I have a question.
Firefox 1.5 came with Dapper when I originally installed it a while ago, and have kept it up-to-date but it is still 1.5.??

I have heard the Firefox 2.0 is in the repository but I don't see it.

What am I missing? Can I use Apt-Get to upgrade from 1.5 to Firefox 2, or is it still hand-installed from source?

[ButteBlues]

Ok, I have a question.
Firefox 1.5 came with Dapper when I originally installed it a while ago, and have kept it up-to-date but it is still 1.5.??

I have heard the Firefox 2.0 is in the repository but I don't see it.

What am I missing? Can I use Apt-Get to upgrade from 1.5 to Firefox 2, or is it still hand-installed from source?
Firefox 2 is available in the Edgy and Feisty repositories.

[Dragonbite]

Firefox 2 is available in the Edgy and Feisty repositories.Thanks! So I best wait until I upgrade my installation (in the next few weeks I am hoping).

[igknighted]

I don't understand the love that Safari gets. WebKit is nice, but I prefer Opera's rendering (although the CSS overflow glitch gets annoying on certain pages). I find the font rendering in Safari to be terrible, there are no plugins, the UI looks terrible and is slow as hell, and the browser has very few features to begin with (not even full screen mode!). So it is a nice demonstration of the capabilities of webkit, but really little more.

Even most MAC users that I know use Firefox or Opera instead.

[karellen]

I don't understand the love that Safari gets. WebKit is nice, but I prefer Opera's rendering (although the CSS overflow glitch gets annoying on certain pages). I find the font rendering in Safari to be terrible, there are no plugins, the UI looks terrible and is slow as hell, and the browser has very few features to begin with (not even full screen mode!). So it is a nice demonstration of the capabilities of webkit, but really little more.

Even most MAC users that I know use Firefox or Opera instead.

the funny thing is that I happen to like the font rendering...:D
and I always hated how certain pages are displayed in opera (yahoo mail beta, google docs unsupported etc)

[Chrisj303]

I don't like the way safari looks on windows, i mean it just sticks out really badly and dosen't really 'fit' - if you know what i mean!

It does seem very fast though.

[davim]

http://projects.collabora.co.uk/~alp/webkit/webkitgtk-lce07.pdf

webKit should be included in gnome by default....

[odinfromvalhalla]

You can get Safari 3 beta to run under Ubuntu (or any Linux for that mater) using wine: Installing Safari 3 beta on Ubuntu 7.10 (http://myscienceisbetter.info/2008/01/installing-safari-3-beta-on-ub.html)