pptp-linux

[Michael Vogt]

On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 10:22:16AM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 11:30:51AM +0200, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
> > In gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel, you wrote:
> > > BaseSeed should be sufficient to let you get to the rest of the stuff, and
> > > that certainly includes networking. However, I agree that it's not sane to
> > > try to account for every possible type of networking in Base.
> >
> > Despite all growth of DSL ISDN is still the most common way to access the
> > internet in Germany (and it's pretty common in other countries in Europe as
> > well).
>
> Good point. We currently do not have isdnutils on the CD. It's no problem
> to add it; what other tools should be present on the CD to have reasonable
> greatest-common-factor ISDN support?

I had to install "pppdcapiplugin" and "isdnutils" to get isdn
working. Making it work was a bit tricky, the modules need to be
inserted in the right order (at least for my card).

bye,
Michael

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[Colin Watson]

On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 01:54:30AM +0200, Sivan Green wrote:
> As we talked on #ubuntu-devel, I understood pptp-linux is going to be
> in ShipSeed and that's a very godo thing, I offer to try incorporate a
> d-i config question for it, just to let those with pptp dialing
> broadband (like most of cable using people in Israel) to download
> fresh updates off the net at the installation occasion.

We've turned off the PPP question, so I doubt a new PPTP question would
be accepted. The approach we're taking is that those with dialup can
configure PPP and upgrade over the net after the installation.

Cheers,

--
Colin Watson [cjwatson@canonical.com]

[Sivan Green]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:36:48 -0700, Matt Zimmerman <mdz@canonical.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 08:29:51AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 12:51 -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > > Looking at the package, it is very simple, essentially just supplying
> > > /usr/sbin/pptp. As such, it should be quite safe. We currently include
> > > ppp, pppoeconf, etc. in the BaseSeed with similar justifications. However,
> > > PPTP is not as commonly needed, and perhaps ShipSeed is sufficient.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> >
> > It would probably be reasonably sensible to move quite a few of these
> > packages from BaseSeed to ShipSeed (with existing solutions such as
> > bpalogin and eagle-usb). It's rare that you'd use all these different
> > kinds of methods in a single installation, though very handy to have
> > them available on the disk.
>
> BaseSeed should be sufficient to let you get to the rest of the stuff, and
> that certainly includes networking. However, I agree that it's not sane to
> try to account for every possible type of networking in Base.
>
> I _think_ ppp is there because d-i can configure it for you, so I'd like
> Colin's input before moving that one. Other packages in this category
> are the config tools, pppconfig and pppoeconf, but they arguably belong with
> ppp.
As we talked on #ubuntu-devel, I understood pptp-linux is going to be
in ShipSeed and that's a very godo thing, I offer to try incorporate a
d-i config question for it, just to let those with pptp dialing
broadband (like most of cable using people in Israel) to download
fresh updates off the net at the installation occasion.


Sivan

[Matt Zimmerman]

On Sat, Sep 25, 2004 at 09:30:23PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:

> On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 10:22 -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > Good point. We currently do not have isdnutils on the CD. It's no problem
> > to add it; what other tools should be present on the CD to have reasonable
> > greatest-common-factor ISDN support?
>
> ok, if we add it, please sync isdnutils again from unstable/testing
> (fixing the pppdcapiplugin and isdnactivecards package).

Please request a sync of the proper versions according to the usual
procedure.

> On the CD we should have:
>
> - isdnutils-base, ipppd (for the old ISDN modules)
> - libcapi20, pppdcapiplugin and isdnactivecards for the active and AVM
> cards

Let's deal with these when we have the proper versions.

> - misdn (currently packaging)
>
> Can we disable the loading of the new misdn modules by default? They
> seem a bit unstable at the moment, so this should be an optional module
> which is not dicovered by default.

If it is unstable, and the userland tools are not configured yet, then I
have doubts about shipping it with a claim of support for Warty. Does misdn
provide support for different hardware, or is it only a different
implementation where older drivers exist?

> For ISDN Fax support a resync of hylafax and capi4hylafax would be nice.
> gfax currently doesn't have ISDN CAPI support.

Nice fax support in the desktop is a goal for Hoary+; we'll worry about this
then.

--
- mdz

[Mikael Eriksson]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:22:16 -0700, Matt Zimmerman <mdz@canonical.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 11:30:51AM +0200, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
>
> > In gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel, you wrote:
> > > BaseSeed should be sufficient to let you get to the rest of the stuff, and
> > > that certainly includes networking. However, I agree that it's not sane to
> > > try to account for every possible type of networking in Base.
> >
> > Despite all growth of DSL ISDN is still the most common way to access the
> > internet in Germany (and it's pretty common in other countries in Europe as
> > well).
>
> Good point. We currently do not have isdnutils on the CD. It's no problem
> to add it; what other tools should be present on the CD to have reasonable
> greatest-common-factor ISDN support?

links or lynx, since my isp require me to login on a webpage before I
can access the internet.

>
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[Matt Zimmerman]

On Sat, Sep 25, 2004 at 01:04:10AM +0200, Mikael Eriksson wrote:

> links or lynx, since my isp require me to login on a webpage before I
> can access the internet.

w3m is installed with the base system.

--
- mdz

[Moritz Muehlenhoff]

In gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel, you wrote:
> Good point. We currently do not have isdnutils on the CD. It's no problem
> to add it; what other tools should be present on the CD to have reasonable
> greatest-common-factor ISDN support?

SuSE ships an additional proprietary CAPI driver for AVM Fritz cards, but
as they recommend to use the free one instead it's probably not needed for
"restricted".

[Matthias Klose]

On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 10:22 -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 11:30:51AM +0200, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
>
> > In gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel, you wrote:
> > > BaseSeed should be sufficient to let you get to the rest of the stuff, and
> > > that certainly includes networking. However, I agree that it's not sane to
> > > try to account for every possible type of networking in Base.
> >
> > Despite all growth of DSL ISDN is still the most common way to access the
> > internet in Germany (and it's pretty common in other countries in Europe as
> > well).
>
> Good point. We currently do not have isdnutils on the CD. It's no problem
> to add it; what other tools should be present on the CD to have reasonable
> greatest-common-factor ISDN support?
>

ok, if we add it, please sync isdnutils again from unstable/testing
(fixing the pppdcapiplugin and isdnactivecards package). On the CD we
should have:

- isdnutils-base, ipppd (for the old ISDN modules)
- libcapi20, pppdcapiplugin and isdnactivecards for the active and AVM
cards
- misdn (currently packaging)

Can we disable the loading of the new misdn modules by default? They
seem a bit unstable at the moment, so this should be an optional module
which is not dicovered by default.

For ISDN Fax support a resync of hylafax and capi4hylafax would be nice.
gfax currently doesn't have ISDN CAPI support.

Matthias

[Matt Zimmerman]

On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 11:30:51AM +0200, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:

> In gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel, you wrote:
> > BaseSeed should be sufficient to let you get to the rest of the stuff, and
> > that certainly includes networking. However, I agree that it's not sane to
> > try to account for every possible type of networking in Base.
>
> Despite all growth of DSL ISDN is still the most common way to access the
> internet in Germany (and it's pretty common in other countries in Europe as
> well).

Good point. We currently do not have isdnutils on the CD. It's no problem
to add it; what other tools should be present on the CD to have reasonable
greatest-common-factor ISDN support?

--
- mdz

[Moritz Muehlenhoff]

In gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel, you wrote:
> BaseSeed should be sufficient to let you get to the rest of the stuff, and
> that certainly includes networking. However, I agree that it's not sane to
> try to account for every possible type of networking in Base.

Despite all growth of DSL ISDN is still the most common way to access the
internet in Germany (and it's pretty common in other countries in Europe as
well).

[Jeff Waugh]

On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 12:51 -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1644
>
> Requests that pptp-linux be available on the CD, since it is required for
> some users to get access to their ISP. pptp-linux is currently in the
> SupportedSeed.
>
> Shall we add it to BaseSeed, or only to ShipSeed?
>
> Looking at the package, it is very simple, essentially just supplying
> /usr/sbin/pptp. As such, it should be quite safe. We currently include
> ppp, pppoeconf, etc. in the BaseSeed with similar justifications. However,
> PPTP is not as commonly needed, and perhaps ShipSeed is sufficient.
>
> Thoughts?

It would probably be reasonably sensible to move quite a few of these
packages from BaseSeed to ShipSeed (with existing solutions such as
bpalogin and eagle-usb). It's rare that you'd use all these different
kinds of methods in a single installation, though very handy to have
them available on the disk.

- Jeff

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[Matt Zimmerman]

On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 08:29:51AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:

> On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 12:51 -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > Looking at the package, it is very simple, essentially just supplying
> > /usr/sbin/pptp. As such, it should be quite safe. We currently include
> > ppp, pppoeconf, etc. in the BaseSeed with similar justifications. However,
> > PPTP is not as commonly needed, and perhaps ShipSeed is sufficient.
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> It would probably be reasonably sensible to move quite a few of these
> packages from BaseSeed to ShipSeed (with existing solutions such as
> bpalogin and eagle-usb). It's rare that you'd use all these different
> kinds of methods in a single installation, though very handy to have
> them available on the disk.

BaseSeed should be sufficient to let you get to the rest of the stuff, and
that certainly includes networking. However, I agree that it's not sane to
try to account for every possible type of networking in Base.

I _think_ ppp is there because d-i can configure it for you, so I'd like
Colin's input before moving that one. Other packages in this category
are the config tools, pppconfig and pppoeconf, but they arguably belong with
ppp.

--
- mdz

[Mark Shuttleworth]

I'm happy for it to be in Base or Ship. We did debate having it in Base
and decided against it, saying it was "too weird", but it actually seems
quite innocuous..

Matt Zimmerman wrote:

>On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 08:29:51AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
>
>
>>On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 12:51 -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Looking at the package, it is very simple, essentially just supplying
>>>/usr/sbin/pptp. As such, it should be quite safe. We currently include
>>>ppp, pppoeconf, etc. in the BaseSeed with similar justifications. However,
>>>PPTP is not as commonly needed, and perhaps ShipSeed is sufficient.
>>>
>>>Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>It would probably be reasonably sensible to move quite a few of these
>>packages from BaseSeed to ShipSeed (with existing solutions such as
>>bpalogin and eagle-usb). It's rare that you'd use all these different
>>kinds of methods in a single installation, though very handy to have
>>them available on the disk.
>>
>>
>
>BaseSeed should be sufficient to let you get to the rest of the stuff, and
>that certainly includes networking. However, I agree that it's not sane to
>try to account for every possible type of networking in Base.
>
>I _think_ ppp is there because d-i can configure it for you, so I'd like
>Colin's input before moving that one. Other packages in this category
>are the config tools, pppconfig and pppoeconf, but they arguably belong with
>ppp.
>
>
>

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[Matt Zimmerman]

http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1644

Requests that pptp-linux be available on the CD, since it is required for
some users to get access to their ISP. pptp-linux is currently in the
SupportedSeed.

Shall we add it to BaseSeed, or only to ShipSeed?

Looking at the package, it is very simple, essentially just supplying
/usr/sbin/pptp. As such, it should be quite safe. We currently include
ppp, pppoeconf, etc. in the BaseSeed with similar justifications. However,
PPTP is not as commonly needed, and perhaps ShipSeed is sufficient.

Thoughts?

--
- mdz