Can we have sticky thread on burning iso properly ?

[dptxp]

Most users do not know how to create a correct CD.

Can we suggest them to use torrents, and Infrarecorder (or any other iso burner) and use 'burn image'
command ?

Most just download the iso and make dead coasters.

[starcraft.man]

Most users do not know how to create a correct CD.

Can we suggest them to use torrents, and Infrarecorder (or any other iso burner) and use 'burn image'
command ?

Most just download the iso and make dead coasters.


Ya, I have had a few questions about that too. Probably should make a thread, where its detailed the differences between alternate install and live cd, how to set up the download via torrent, how to check the md5 sums (lot of people don't know this) and then how to burn it with a free program, probably should write both a version for mac people and windows people.

You might consider Messaging a moderator or administrator, if it gets approved I wouldn't mind writing it up or at least the windows half, don't know much at all about macs. :)

[Happy_Man]

Isn't there one of these on wiki.ubuntu.com?

[confused57]

There's instructions in this current sticky:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=232059

[dptxp]

Every information is there. I have installed without forum help, I take help on other issues.

Many just do not read, some end up destroying their pre-installed Windows. I see such posts
regularly.

I think that beginners team can at least put a post on this on a sticky thread first. And keep
on making the documentation.

Users should be first able to run CD live.

And not end up destroying old OS and data.

Some moderator is surely going to read this. I have already made a list in beginners forum,
so I am not posting again there.

[aysiu]

We already have a sticky in the Absolute Beginner section called READ THIS FIRST prior to posting - IMPORTANT links (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=232059)

Part of that sticky is this section: 2 : HOWTO INSTALL UBUNTU
If you are new to Ubuntu then I recommend the Graphical Installation using the 6.06.1 live cd. (you probably need the 386 one)

System Requirements for Ubuntu (gnome) :
2 GB of free disk space (although 5-10 GB for the system and additional room for your data would be nice)
256 MB of RAM

How to obtain the Install CD
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GettingUbuntu

Once you've obtained the CD image, burn it to CD with this guide
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto The fact that you don't know about the already-existing sticky is just further evidence that stickies aren't read by the people who need to read them. If someone has the initiative to read stickies, she'll likely have the initiative to do a Google search and figure out how to burn a CD herself... or read the already existing sticky that says READ THIS FIRST - IMPORTANT. If not, she's not going to pay attention to the sticky on burning an ISO.

[dptxp]

The title can be confusing. It sort of suggests that the contents are about posting FAQ.

A title - HOW TO DOWNLOAD ISO AND BURN CD - may help.
Similarly - HOW TO INSTALL INCL. HOW TO MAKE YOUR PARTITIONS on another thread.

Small threads with short answers or just a couple of links may be better option.

Of course many will still ignore.

[PriceChild]

The title can be confusing. It sort of suggests that the contents are about posting FAQ.So you don't think you need to read it because you "think" your question is different? Again. people don't read stickies and this is evidence of the fact.

[John.Michael.Kane]

We already have a sticky in the Absolute Beginner section called READ THIS FIRST prior to posting - IMPORTANT links (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=232059)

The thread title has been updated to show, that install methods are included with in that thread.

It's up to the end user to read the stickies made available to them.

[KiwiNZ]

Most users do not know how to create a correct CD.

Can we suggest them to use torrents, and Infrarecorder (or any other iso burner) and use 'burn image'
command ?

Most just download the iso and make dead coasters.

I really appreciate your concern and I think you make a valid point . Unfortunately it is my experience that if we have many stickies it comes messy and no one reads them.

Also in a lot of cases the Horse has left the barn by the time folks seek help from here and they have already done what you are suggesting.

I will look at the Download page on ubuntu dot com to see what the user instructions are like .Maybe that needs improving.

But your point is certainly food for thought.

[dptxp]

Thanks.

Basically there should be one page on downloading, burning iso to CD, running live CD and installation. I am a new Linux user, had problems in r/w access as I mounted my partitions on root. Corrected with Forum help. Right partitioning with proper formats is key to proper installation. Why should I edit fstab without having a full knowledge about it. And most will not be able to do it right. Pasting scripts as patches is not the correct way.

The partitioning tool has changed from Edgy to Feisty, everything changes in this dynamic world, but the documentations lag behind assuming that users shall add 2 and 2 to make 4. Links are provided to external support pages, psycocats is one site.

The support team has used Linux in various flavors for long times, it is difficult for them to understand how a documentation should be made for new Linux user. For example, I read that aptitude is better than apt-get,
but someone says that apt-get is now as good. I do not know what packages are removed and what are disabled in if I remove in add/remove. I have posted but still am not clear on synaptics vs. add/remove. I do not know if I am removing a package or disabling it. I may be using good resources for programs that I shall never need.

There should be documentation with each release. So much efforts go into the software, can we not create a nice guide, short and clear.

[dptxp]

Sorry, duplicate post.

[aysiu]

I don't know what you want. What do you want?

Yes, aptitude was better than apt-get, and now apt-get is better. What's the problem there? Things change, don't they?

As I said before...

1. I've tried my best to create a new-user-friendly guide at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu

The support team has used Linux in various flavors for long times, it is difficult for them to understand how a documentation should be made for new Linux user. Do you know how long I'd been using Ubuntu when I started that site? About two months. That's it. You have a misperception that Ubuntu documentation writers are all Linux experts who have been using Linux and/or Ubuntu for years. A lot of us are beginners just like you. In a few weeks, I'll be coming up on my second-year anniversary of using Ubuntu.

2. If you mention something specifically wrong with the documentation, someone can go in and fix. Link to a page and note the exact part that is unclear or incorrect, and I or another person will probably fix it.

When you feel confident enough, set up a Wiki account and edit it yourself.

You are as much a part of the community as anyone else. You aren't a customer--you're a contributor... or should be.

[dptxp]

It surely is an excellent site, and I too believe that a learner can understand new users better and it is on my post.

What is wrong in saying that we should have more documentation here ? This is my opinion.

I somehow feel that you are bit offended.

[aysiu]

Offended is the wrong word. I'm more frustrated and confused.

The way I look at it--there are practical things to be done. If you have a concrete suggestion for a particular page, then I (or someone else... or you) may implement the change on the Wiki.

I happen to think the Wiki is a mess. The idea of community maintained documentation sounds good in theory, but without someone organizing it and approving changes, it gets pretty hard to navigate. The way I look at it now, individual pages on the Wiki are good, but the overall design is what the real problem is--not the documentation itself.

I guess what I'd like from you is something more like, "See on this page (including a link) how it says 'blah blah blah'? It should probably say 'bleh bleh bleh' or explain what 'blah' is."

[dptxp]

Fine.

I agree with your views on WIKI and the community help pages.

One addition I would like on your Installing Ubuntu page is on partitioner for 7.04.
It is different from 6.10, many shall not find it a problem, but new users are likely
to get confused.

Or separate pages for 6.10 and 7.04

The new partitioner automatically mounts all partitions. That makes job easier.

One more issue, I could not run 64 bit Feisty on my Desktop with 256 MB RAM.
Got stuck when Fnome started to load. The 32 bit one finally ran, though took a
lot of time.

Does it help to create a SWAP first by using just GParted (downloading it from their site)
since running and installing from Live CD uses more RAM. I would prefer this option to
alternate CD. Helps in running live before installation.

If it does, you can put this on site too.

[aysiu]

It'll probably take me a while to set up a proper 7.04 screenshot tutorial, but that's definitely on my to-do list.

[dptxp]

Visited your site today.
Great Job.