OpenSUSE drops ZENworks, opens YAST

[karellen]

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5210817105.html
I can say only "thanks God for this!" as zen updater sucked in opensuse (and even sled)

[Erunno]

I'll give openSUSE 10.3 a try once it is released later this yeas as I'm currently seriously disappointed about the lack of attention Kubuntu gets. I'm hesitant to try 10.2 as I've read horrible stories about the whole zen updater / package management. At least SuSE has a strong KDE background and is still activly supporting it (for instance kicker and knetworkmanager).

[igknighted]

I'll give openSUSE 10.3 a try once it is released later this yeas as I'm currently seriously disappointed about the lack of attention Kubuntu gets. I'm hesitant to try 10.2 as I've read horrible stories about the whole zen updater / package management. At least SuSE has a strong KDE background and is still activly supporting it (for instance kicker and knetworkmanager).

I thought Kubuntu Feisty was leaps and bounds better than the gnome version, although I agree in edgy and earlier this was reversed... what do you not like about Kubuntu?

If you want a more pure KDE distro, try PCLOS. It has better GUI tools and a smoother interface, plus the community is better.

[Erunno]

I thought Kubuntu Feisty was leaps and bounds better than the gnome version, although I agree in edgy and earlier this was reversed... what do you not like about Kubuntu?

If you want a more pure KDE distro, try PCLOS. It has better GUI tools and a smoother interface, plus the community is better.

Well, one has differentiate between GNOME/KDE and Ubuntu/Kubuntu here. Obviously I prefer KDE and think that it's (technically) better than GNOME. On the other hand, Canonical pours all its resources into Ubuntu. If you look at Ubuntu's feature list you'll notice that all the advertised features are missing in Kubuntu Feisty: No import of data from other operating systems, no easy codec istallation and no 3D effects. Now, I don't really need either of these improvements as I have learned already how to setup all the aforementioned things, but nevertheless, it shows to me a lack of commitment to Kubuntu by Canonical. The only thing Kubuntu excells in is reimplementing stuff nobody asked for (System Settings, new logout dialogue) otherwise it mostly consists of package updates from Debian Sid. On the other hand openSUSE still seems to be actively involved in improving KDE as a platform and I think Novell pays/sponsors full-time KDE developers so they deserve a honest try.

Once my new notebook arrives I'll maybe even install openSUSE 10.2 as there seems to be ways to circumvent the problems with package management. About PCLinuxOS: I use Linux on my work machine so I won't install beta software. I think I was already daring enough by putting Feisty on my current notebook without waiting a couple of weeks before the worst of the post-release bugs have been ironed out ;-)

[karellen]

Well, one has differentiate between GNOME/KDE and Ubuntu/Kubuntu here. Obviously I prefer KDE and think that it's (technically) better than GNOME. On the other hand, Canonical pours all its resources into Ubuntu. If you look at Ubuntu's feature list you'll notice that all the advertised features are missing in Kubuntu Feisty: No import of data from other operating systems, no easy codec istallation and no 3D effects. Now, I don't really need either of these improvements as I have learned already how to setup all the aforementioned things, but nevertheless, it shows to me a lack of commitment to Kubuntu by Canonical. The only thing Kubuntu excells in is reimplementing stuff nobody asked for (System Settings, new logout dialogue) otherwise it mostly consists of package updates from Debian Sid. On the other hand openSUSE still seems to be actively involved in improving KDE as a platform and I think Novell pays/sponsors full-time KDE developers so they deserve a honest try.

Once my new notebook arrives I'll maybe even install openSUSE 10.2 as there seems to be ways to circumvent the problems with package management. About PCLinuxOS: I use Linux on my work machine so I won't install beta software. I think I was already daring enough by putting Feisty on my current notebook without waiting a couple of weeks before the worst of the post-release bugs have been ironed out ;-)

maybe canonical is doing the right thing, not concentrating on both ubuntu and kubuntu. I'd prefer a full featured continuously improving ubuntu and the "poor-relative" kubuntu, as I'm a gnome user, but I know there are many kde users that are somehow dissapointed by kubuntu...

[angryfirelord]

openSuSE is very polished and stable, but it's slower than an old person driving under the speed limit in the school zone during restricted times. Hopefully, this will speed up YaST and maybe allow other distros to include it.

[Amorphous_Snake]

I'll give openSUSE 10.3 a try once it is released later this yeas as I'm currently seriously disappointed about the lack of attention Kubuntu gets. I'm hesitant to try 10.2 as I've read horrible stories about the whole zen updater / package management. At least SuSE has a strong KDE background and is still activly supporting it (for instance kicker and knetworkmanager).

You can always remove the Zen updater and use the openSUSE one. Also you can install Smart, which is very nice (but not as good as Synaptic, to be fair!). I really recommend using openSUSE 10.2 especially if you like KDE.

[karellen]

You can always remove the Zen updater and use the openSUSE one. Also you can install Smart, which is very nice (but not as good as Synaptic, to be fair!). I really recommend using openSUSE 10.2 especially if you like KDE.

yes, smart does his job pretty well, although I prefer by far Synaptic. and speaking of opensuse, I find the gnome in sled very pleasant...:)

[Adamant1988]

yes, smart does his job pretty well, although I prefer by far Synaptic. and speaking of opensuse, I find the gnome in sled very pleasant...:)

GNOME in openSuSE is by far the best GNOME setup I've ever used. I always modify it a bit for my personal tastes, but it's amazing really .