Status of Firefox work?

[jdong]

I'm not trying to bug you devs about FF 1.0; I'm happy with the current version in Hoary!

But I've noticed a bit of patching/updating on 1.0RC1... Which made me curious what the devs are trying to do with Firefox at the moment. Have the segfault issues been fixed? I've yet to experience any problems in that area...

[daniels]

I'm not trying to bug you devs about FF 1.0; I'm happy with the current version in Hoary!

But I've noticed a bit of patching/updating on 1.0RC1... Which made me curious what the devs are trying to do with Firefox at the moment. Have the segfault issues been fixed? I've yet to experience any problems in that area...I'm not sure, but AFAICT the patching was all done in Debian, and then automatically (or semi-automatically) merged back into Hoary from there. I think Eric was trying to fix up a couple of crashes, yah.

[HiddenWolf]

/me would love to see his FF 1.0, but shall wait patiently.

[hkctr]

I am using 1.0.2 from debian sid. Works fine in Ubuntu.

I realize we are here to help with the development of Hoary but the developers can't test every debian package so I test a few. Whenever I have had a problem with Ubuntu, (not often) I have been able to get it resolved by installing a few debian packages. Shortly thereafter, the Hoary repository is usually updated with the same update.

[nuopus]

I am using 1.0.2 from debian sid. Works fine in Ubuntu.

I realize we are here to help with the development of Hoary but the developers can't test every debian package so I test a few. Whenever I have had a problem with Ubuntu, (not often) I have been able to get it resolved by installing a few debian packages. Shortly thereafter, the Hoary repository is usually updated with the same update.
What are you talking about 1.0.2? You are talking FF 1.0 RC2 right? Because even on the mozilla web site it is only 1.0 and the nightlies which are not numbered at 1.0.2. If there is a 2 at the end .... it is probably FF 1.0 RC2.

[panickedthumb]

What are you talking about 1.0.2? You are talking FF 1.0 RC2 right? Because even on the mozilla web site it is only 1.0 and the nightlies which are not numbered at 1.0.2. If there is a 2 at the end .... it is probably FF 1.0 RC2.
The package version may have been 1.0.2. Notice that the default Warty package for firefox was 0.99+1.0PR-reverted to... etc.

There was never a Firefox 0.99, but that was the package name, at least that's what someone in the IRC channel told me, but they aren't quite all knowing.

[nuopus]

The package version may have been 1.0.2. Notice that the default Warty package for firefox was 0.99+1.0PR-reverted to... etc.

There was never a Firefox 0.99, but that was the package name, at least that's what someone in the IRC channel told me, but they aren't quite all knowing.
Okay ... so 1.0.2 may be 1.0 RC2 then. WHEW! I was starting to freak that Debian actually got a package on time! lol

[panickedthumb]

Okay ... so 1.0.2 may be 1.0 RC2 then. WHEW! I was starting to freak that Debian actually got a package on time! lol
Yeah and it may even be a later version of RC1. The debian package versioning is a bit confusing to me.

[daniels]

Yeah and it may even be a later version of RC1. The debian package versioning is a bit confusing to me.Here's how it goes:
Thanks to the wonders of versioning, '1.0RC2' is a larger version than '1.0', so you can't upgrade that way. The standard way to work around it is 0.99+1.0RC2, 3.2.99+3.3beta1, etc, etc. That way, you get a guaranteed upgrade.
However, during the 0.93 days, we tried preview release 1 and had to revert to 0.93 as it was quite horrifically buggy. Thus, warty has 0.99+1.0PR1-reverted-to-0.93, or whatever it is. Something crazy.

Hope that clears things up a little bit. The ~ operator should be able to be used soon, which means 'less than this version'; e.g. 1.0~anything is always guaranteed to be less than 1.0, but greater than 0.99 or whatever. So, you can use 1.0~PR1, 2.8~beta1, whatever.

[nuopus]

Here's how it goes:
Thanks to the wonders of versioning, '1.0RC2' is a larger version than '1.0', so you can't upgrade that way. The standard way to work around it is 0.99+1.0RC2, 3.2.99+3.3beta1, etc, etc. That way, you get a guaranteed upgrade.
However, during the 0.93 days, we tried preview release 1 and had to revert to 0.93 as it was quite horrifically buggy. Thus, warty has 0.99+1.0PR1-reverted-to-0.93, or whatever it is. Something crazy.

Hope that clears things up a little bit. The ~ operator should be able to be used soon, which means 'less than this version'; e.g. 1.0~anything is always guaranteed to be less than 1.0, but greater than 0.99 or whatever. So, you can use 1.0~PR1, 2.8~beta1, whatever.
WOW I never thought of it like that ... makes complete sense now. Thank you for clearing it up. Are you thinking of including FireFox 1.0 final in Hoary sometime soon?

[panickedthumb]

Yeah that does make a lot of sense. Basically if there's version+version, then the first version is just for upgrade purposes, and the second is the version of the app. Pretty slick.

[HiddenWolf]

That clears up some confusion, yeah. :-)

Any idea of the ETA of FF 1.0 yet?

[daniels]

That clears up some confusion, yeah. :-)

Any idea of the ETA of FF 1.0 yet?No idea, sorry. It might well be that it waits until mid-next week -- we'll see.

[HiddenWolf]

No idea, sorry. It might well be that it waits until mid-next week -- we'll see.

Patience is a virtue.
It's just that there where some vunerabilities in the Rc/PR releases that are not in the final, or so I was told.

[panickedthumb]

You were told correctly. You know you can use final without updating the Ubuntu version, right? Just extract it to wherever you want and run it, pretty much. You have to do a bit of symlinking if you want it to access the same plugins and all that, but it's fairly simple.

[HiddenWolf]

I know, but I'm lazy

besides. I like Ubuntu because it does my work for me.
If I felt like building my own OS, I'd mess with Gentoo. :-)

[panickedthumb]

I know, but I'm lazy

besides. I like Ubuntu because it does my work for me.
If I felt like building my own OS, I'd mess with Gentoo. :-)
Wow, that is pretty lazy ;)

j/k

[nuopus]

You were told correctly. You know you can use final without updating the Ubuntu version, right? Just extract it to wherever you want and run it, pretty much. You have to do a bit of symlinking if you want it to access the same plugins and all that, but it's fairly simple.
Only problem is that you should remove the old firefox. And to do that you have to remove ubuntu-desktop. I know you should be able to get rid of it just fine .... but removing ubuntu-desktop is what made my transition on one box a nightmare because ubuntu uses that for all of the changes like removing packages and installing gamin.

As a matter of fact, I think most people who are having trouble with Hoary and complaining of slowdowns and other problems are the people who removed ubuntu-desktop.

And what happens if you install ubuntu-desktop to fix the problems? It will install the old firefox right over the new one because it is a dependancy. For lots of people I understand why they want to wait for the deb of firefox final.

[panickedthumb]

Only problem is that you should remove the old firefox. And to do that you have to remove ubuntu-desktop. I know you should be able to get rid of it just fine .... but removing ubuntu-desktop is what made my transition on one box a nightmare because ubuntu uses that for all of the changes like removing packages and installing gamin.

As a matter of fact, I think most people who are having trouble with Hoary and complaining of slowdowns and other problems are the people who removed ubuntu-desktop.

And what happens if you install ubuntu-desktop to fix the problems? It will install the old firefox right over the new one because it is a dependancy. For lots of people I understand why they want to wait for the deb of firefox final.
Why should you remove the old firefox? I've been using 1.0 Final since before I upgraded to hoary without uninstalling the Ubuntu installed Firefox. Just don't use the one that was provided by the apt repositories and change the symlink in /usr/bin. No problems whatsoever.

And if you DO remove it, and Ubuntu-desktop, and then reinstall Ubuntu-desktop, it doesn't overwrite the version of firefox you installed manually unless you put it in the same place, which I wouldn't recommend anyway, because it's set up differently.

Seriously there's no issue with having the two concurrently existing on the same system.

[flygmaskin]

w00t

Preparing to replace mozilla-firefox 0.99+1.0RC1-4ubuntu1 (using .../mozilla-firefox_1.0-2ubuntu2_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement mozilla-firefox ...

[HiddenWolf]

[QUOTE=nuopus]
As a matter of fact, I think most people who are having trouble with Hoary and complaining of slowdowns and other problems are the people who removed ubuntu-desktop.[/qoute]
Indeed, I had a very smooth transition, the few errors I did experience where solved by re-installing -desktop