The "Holy Grail" of Gnome Themes [Archive]

blue_Sphere

April 5th, 2007, 12:04 AM

Hello Ubuntu Community,

I have found what I consider the "holy grail" of themes. My problem is that it is only a mockup and it is over two years old.

http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/31098-1.jpg

The mockup can be found here:
http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31098&forumpage=6%3Cbr%20/%3E

My question is... is this theme out there? I have looked around on gnome-look with no luck. If not is there something similar? Is there a place I could suggest that this theme get created?

I feel in love when I saw this. Any help that anyone could give would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
-Blue

ubuntu27

April 5th, 2007, 01:37 AM

Wow! That is so good looking theme!!

I also would like to know where I could get my hands on this. :guitar:

jdhore

April 5th, 2007, 03:03 AM

i agree that this looks amazing and i would love to figure out what it is/how to do it any way possible

ubuntu27

April 5th, 2007, 04:14 AM

You know what we can do?

We can pretend that we are using that awesome theme by:
Right click the image and save it
Right click on Desktop and Choose wallpaper
Hide both bars, top and button.

Now you can do a screen shot of it, and people will believe that you really have that theme installed ;)

ComplexNumber

April 5th, 2007, 04:23 AM

why do you guys think the theme looks so special? personally, can't see the attraction. its just a flat looking gtk theme with beryl.

ben.s

April 5th, 2007, 10:14 AM

Getting that to work as-is would probably require some significant changes to GTK+, and definitely a new theme engine.

The panels are kinda pretty, though I don't like the windows.

blue_Sphere

April 5th, 2007, 11:44 AM

why do you guys think the theme looks so special? personally, can't see the attraction. its just a flat looking gtk theme with beryl.

If that is the case, please let me know of a similar theme and I will run beryl just to have it. I would prefer gnome, but this is just beautiful

As to why I personally like it so much... it is because it seems so clean to me. I have never seen such a seamless clean skin before.

Is there anything like it around somewhere?

teaker1s

April 5th, 2007, 11:49 AM

you want beryl

blue_Sphere

April 5th, 2007, 12:31 PM

Any help from the community to help put this togeather is apprecaited. Thank you guys!

Looking around Beryl I have found a window that is similar to this theme.
(found here = http://themes.beryl-project.org/theme_details.php?id=20)

Now I am just looking for a similar top bar, and the modified bottom quick launch bar. Does anyone know of any themes that are close or exactly the same?

teaker1s

April 5th, 2007, 01:18 PM

themes can be modified

ComplexNumber

April 5th, 2007, 03:42 PM

If that is the case, please let me know of a similar theme and I will run beryl just to have it. I would prefer gnome, but this is just beautiful

As to why I personally like it so much... it is because it seems so clean to me. I have never seen such a seamless clean skin before.

Is there anything like it around somewhere?

some points:
-the icon theme is probably dropline neu
-the icons in the top right are almost certainly custom made. i havent got them on my system, and i've had all gnome theems on my system at various points.
-the menu is some sort of addon or separate application. i've never seen it before.

isn't that mockup nothing more than a photoshop/gimp creation?

Paulus

April 5th, 2007, 06:14 PM

someone made a beryl theme inspired by that mockup:
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Azurite+%28more+colors+%3B-%29?content=55140

btw.. it's about time gnome-panel got a revamp don't we think?

Paulus

April 5th, 2007, 06:15 PM

isn't that mockup nothing more than a photoshop/gimp creation?

yes.

blue_Sphere

April 5th, 2007, 09:32 PM

someone made a beryl theme inspired by that mockup:
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Azurite+%28more+colors+%3B-%29?content=55140

btw.. it's about time gnome-panel got a revamp don't we think?

WOW they are making it!!! Thank you! This is EXACTLY what I was looking for!

myst3rious

April 7th, 2007, 06:44 AM

That theme looks great, but unfortunately, not possible with GNOME 2.x releases. Untill Gnome-3.0 is released, you guys, just look for those themes which are available.. About this theme, just Dream...
I dont know when GNOME-3.0 is gonna be out, but people there are taking ideas on new look, which will improve UI looks and usability (as they say). Anyway, there is noting pretty much new development in GNOME, but just bugfixes a alots.

xopher

April 7th, 2007, 11:00 AM

And I suppose there's no date set for GNOME 3.0 yet?

jdhore

April 7th, 2007, 12:36 PM

And I suppose there's no date set for GNOME 3.0 yet?

not only that, the GNOME team has SPECIFICALLY said there's not even a date set for them to start working on GNOME 3.0

ComplexNumber

April 7th, 2007, 01:14 PM

And I suppose there's no date set for GNOME 3.0 yet?
there isn't really any need for a gnome 3.0 at the moment.

blue_Sphere

April 7th, 2007, 06:27 PM

there isn't really any need for a gnome 3.0 at the moment.

I don't understand this comment. Wouldn't there be a need if a user wanted to create a skin similar to this mock up? That was how the topic turned to gnome 3.0, because it is being said that this theme cannot be done with the current gnome.

ComplexNumber

April 7th, 2007, 06:56 PM

I don't understand this comment. Wouldn't there be a need if a user wanted to create a skin similar to this mock up? That was how the topic turned to gnome 3.0, because it is being said that this theme cannot be done with the current gnome.
not for 1 user, no.

blue_Sphere

April 7th, 2007, 10:33 PM

not for 1 user, no.

?

Thats not the most friendly comment I have heard. Surely you must have noticed that this thread has more contributers then just myself. I dont mean to sound demeaning, I am rather surprised at your response. In any case work seems to have started on a gnome theme for this so I look forward to how that will come out!

What are the limitations of gnome 2.18 that will keep this theme from reaching the artists original concept?

ButteBlues

April 7th, 2007, 10:38 PM

It is GTK, not GNOME that needs updating (GTK is used in gnome).

ComplexNumber

April 7th, 2007, 11:58 PM

?

Thats not the most friendly comment I have heard. Surely you must have noticed that this thread has more contributers then just myself. I dont mean to sound demeaning, I am rather surprised at your response. In any case work seems to have started on a gnome theme for this so I look forward to how that will come out!

What are the limitations of gnome 2.18 that will keep this theme from reaching the artists original concept?
i really don't know what sort of response you are expecting from what you'd said.
i doubt that the gnome devs will want to go out of their way just because 3 or 4 users want to see a particular type of panel/menu. what particular purpose does that panel/menu serve which the current one doesn't? in other words, no practical reason.

blue_Sphere

April 8th, 2007, 12:33 AM

enzobelmont

April 8th, 2007, 01:23 AM

wait for kde4 and its themes, using a REAL toolkit (qt4), hehehe

STREETURCHINE

April 8th, 2007, 04:49 AM

there is the image you were looking for it is found at deviantart.com

xopher

April 8th, 2007, 11:46 AM

there isn't really any need for a gnome 3.0 at the moment.

There doesn't always have to be a need. We can create needs.

Take the car as an example, took ages until it became 'a need', mobile phone - same thing. We just have to sell the idea - create the need.

blue_Sphere

April 8th, 2007, 10:40 PM

Pending the authors release of a GTK theme...

Has anyone seen a similar GTK theme? It doesnt have to be setup exactly the same...

Perhaps off topic but: What exactly does the Murrine Engine do for GTK?
http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine.php

xiangpeng

April 9th, 2007, 09:25 PM

Hi, I just chanced upon this thread. I am the creator of the beryl theme Azurite and yeah, I am planning to create the accompanying GTK theme. Problem for me is that I am working full-time and having night classes every night for the next 2 week, which means I probably won't have time to work on the GTK theme till the end of the month :P

If anyone is interested in working on the GTK theme, I can pass you the psds of the original beryl theme if that can provide assistance :)

blue_Sphere

April 10th, 2007, 12:29 AM

Well you do lovely work. I really look forward to the GTK theme. I have posted thank you's just about every place I can imagine.

Are you going to be working on the bar at the top as in a full theme? Or are you just making an azurite copy?

apoclypse

April 10th, 2007, 06:48 PM

i really don't know what sort of response you are expecting from what you'd said.
i doubt that the gnome devs will want to go out of their way just because 3 or 4 users want to see a particular type of panel/menu. what particular purpose does that panel/menu serve which the current one doesn't? in other words, no practical reason.

Oh, I don't know, the fact that Qt can do it and GTK+ can't might be a good enough reason. Note I didn't say KDE4, who knows what thats going to look like. I said QT, version 4.3 has support for compositing and animation as well as all the fancy svg based effects. The point, I think, being made here is that GTK+ CAN'T do any of whats in that picture. GTK+ is old and it needs huge amounts of work. the GTK devs have said they wanted to break abi/api and start on GTK 3.0, but on the other hand Havoc an friends don't want to go that route. I think that when KDE4 drops the Gnome team will be forced to catch up so don't worry Gnome 3.0 will most likely be announced soon after they see user switching to take advantage of the eye candy. Gnome really isn't the culprit though, its GTK+ but since the two projects are so tied together if abi/api changes are made to GTK+ then Gnome has to follow.

ComplexNumber

April 10th, 2007, 08:25 PM

apoclypse
the fact that Qt can do it and GTK+ can't can do what, exactly?

said QT, version 4.3 has support for compositing and animation as well as all the fancy svg based effects.svg? no. gtk/gnome has good svg support whereas qt/kde support for svg is lacking, to say the least. for example, have you seen any good svg icon themes in kde recently (or ever, for that matter)? lots of gnome svg themes, though.

you seem to be under the illusion that it's gnome that needs to catch up. its time for a rethink.
you also seem to be under the illusion that the screenshot represents some sort of ideal. if anything, its pug ugly.

bvc

April 11th, 2007, 12:46 AM

There's not a lot special about that mockup really. I can make a panel like that with the current gnome-panel that's four years behind the times. The gaim pop up or whatever app that is is an app issue not a DE issue. The systray in the bottom right is well....silly. A waste of screen space and not quickly accessible, but that can be done as far as looks go with the current gnome-panel that's four years behind the times.. Window border is no problem even if done correctly with buttons on a titlebar. It'll be a sad day when the buttons are on the menubar. It's definately not a usable default setup and there's more to designing a DE than what looks good, you have to make it so joe_blow_noob can configure it, or forget it.

As far as svg goes, it's right where I said it would be two years ago. Still a dog. Coming along great for icons (still horribly slow) but if you think fancy svg based effects are coming to a theme near you along with composite/beryl and everything else and joe blows give a hoot about having it, any time soon, you are wrong. The flop 'vista' ringin' any bells? Same with cairo based themes, whoa, think of all the eyecandy everyone said when it first came out, well, where is it?

tscook

April 11th, 2007, 05:55 AM

Looks a lot like fvwm-crystal to me.

ButteBlues

April 11th, 2007, 05:03 PM

apoclypse
can do what, exactly?

svg? no. gtk/gnome has good svg support whereas qt/kde support for svg is lacking, to say the least. for example, have you seen any good svg icon themes in kde recently (or ever, for that matter)? lots of gnome svg themes, though.

you seem to be under the illusion that it's gnome that needs to catch up. its time for a rethink.
you also seem to be under the illusion that the screenshot represents some sort of ideal. if anything, its pug ugly.
You do realize KDE 3.x does not use QT4.x, right?

Because you're describing flaws with QT3 (which IS used in KDE3.x), most of which are not relevant to QT4.

ComplexNumber

April 11th, 2007, 05:08 PM

You do realize KDE 3.x does not use QT4.x, right?

Because you're describing flaws with QT3 (which IS used in KDE3.x), most of which are not relevant to QT4.
yes. but on the other hand, i'm talking about the situation here and now. and thats all thats important. until qt4 is used by kde, none of what apooclypse says is relevant. when kde 4 is released, gtk and gnome would have moved on from now an unknown amount. so comparing then with now is nonsensical,. so until kde uses qt4, qt4 may as well not exist and everything about it is irrelevant to the here and now.

apoclypse

April 12th, 2007, 02:53 PM

yes. but on the other hand, i'm talking about the situation here and now. and thats all thats important. until qt4 is used by kde, none of what apooclypse says is relevant. when kde 4 is released, gtk and gnome would have moved on from now an unknown amount. so comparing then with now is nonsensical,. so until kde uses qt4, qt4 may as well not exist and everything about it is irrelevant to the here and now.

I specifically remember mentioning that I was talking about QT4, not KDE4. GTK+ can't do what QT4 can do. That is all I was saying. You said why should should the devs go out of their way to give 3 or 4 users eyecandy, my response was because Qt4 has the capability of doing it. Why the hell not? QT4 will be the basis for the next KDE, KDE4 WILL have these effects in them in-fact that mockup looks strikingly similar to some stuff suggested for Plasma. You might think that I'm a KDE user since I'm touting QT4 so much. Gnome is the only thing I use and I don't see myself budging until the KDE team makes something useful. But thats my gripe with KDE, not with QT which frankly is much better than QT at a lot of things. This may be due to its commercial nature, though Gnome (thus gtk) has a lot of backing from commercial companies.

Besides that the GTK+ devs are restrained by the fact that they can't break abi/api compatibility since that is one of Gnomes mantras. They are constrained as to what they can do to make the toolkit better. The toolkit needs serious work on the internals that frankly will break something no matter what. That fact will prevent the Gnome devs from including it in their next version.

ComplexNumber

April 12th, 2007, 03:47 PM

I specifically remember mentioning that I was talking about QT4, not KDE4. GTK+ can't do what QT4 can do.i've already covered that issue. it's nonsensical talking about qt4 until it has an application. the performance and capability depends to a large extent on how much kde makes use of it.
its a bit like comparing the performance and capability of 2 cars - Car A that has everything made, and Car B that has the engine but little is known about the actual car. therefore, its nonsensical to talk about what the performance and capability of Car B is like now. imagine if the car is lumbering juggernaut with speed restrictions.

apoclypse

April 12th, 2007, 04:21 PM

i've already covered that issue. it's nonsensical talking about qt4 until it has an application. the performance and capability depends to a large extent on how much kde makes use of it.
its a bit like comparing the performance and capability of 2 cars - Car A that has everything made, and Car B that has the engine but little is known about the actual car. therefore, its nonsensical to talk about what the performance and capability of Car B is like now. imagine if the car is lumbering juggernaut with speed restrictions.

I wasn't talking about performance. I was talking about CAPABILITY. QT4 is more capable than GTK+ at this point in time. Who know what will happen in the future, but this has always been the case.QT hs always been the more developed toolkit. That in part because they have a company that sells the toolkit commercially and thus has an incentive to advance the product. GTK does not really have that push and you can tell.