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Jerrac
June 3rd, 2005, 09:13 PM
I am building a computer to sell, prolly on ebay, with Ubuntu Linux as its operating system.

I would like to setup the restricted formats on it before I sell, but I am wondering about the legalities of that.

So, would it be legal for me to sell my computer with mp3, dvdcss, and the other windows codecs installed on it?

Thanks! :D

az
June 4th, 2005, 02:12 AM
Good question!

WildTangent
June 4th, 2005, 07:32 PM
just dont tell them in the ebay ad that it has them. i dont think anyones going to complain that they can play MP3s when it doesnt say that in the ad ;)

-Wild

lovebug356
June 4th, 2005, 08:05 PM
I think that you have only a problem with selling this in a country with funny software licences ( like US of A). Here in europe there is no problem selling this. ( Atleast untill they votted the stupid software license law)
Hope we keep living without these laws (http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/)

Jerrac
June 5th, 2005, 05:27 AM
Well, since I am in the US, with stupid software patents, I am not going to put the codecs on.

What I would like to do is have a script whomever buys it can just click and have it install everything for them. Is there one out there? Or will I need to figure out how to write one myself?

lovebug356
June 5th, 2005, 09:48 AM
Well, since I am in the US, with stupid software patents, I am not going to put the codecs on.

What I would like to do is have a script whomever buys it can just click and have it install everything for them. Is there one out there? Or will I need to figure out how to write one myself?
you can try :


#!/bin/sh
#
echo"deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
# add in the same way all the repositories of your choice
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get --force-yes -y upgrade
sudo apt-get --force-yes -y install w32codecs liblame0
# add everything that you want
save this as NoSoftwarePatents.sh ;-)
and run it.

verbalshadow
June 5th, 2005, 12:54 PM
you can try :


#!/bin/sh
#
echo"deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
# add in the same way all the repositories of your choice
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get --force-yes -y upgrade
sudo apt-get --force-yes -y install w32codecs liblame0
# add everything that you want
save this as NoSoftwarePatents.sh ;-)
and run it.
two different views of the auto install scripts. one is a gui the other just a script.

here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
and here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22860

lovebug356
June 5th, 2005, 01:13 PM
two different views of the auto install scripts. one is a gui the other just a script.

here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
and here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22860
Thanks, I didn't know the script exist already

Jerrac
June 14th, 2005, 01:29 AM
OK, I have been fiddling with my computer now that I have it built, trying to make it easy for a new user to get started. But I have run into a problem. I want the new user to change the default user and password I set up when installing. So I go into the Users and Groups gui and make a new administrator. Log out and log back as the new admin. Then I delete the old one. When I log out and in again, it won't let me have administrative access to anything, says "Child has terminated with 1 status" or something like that. In the terminal, it says "user not in sudoers".

So, how can I delete the default user and have a new user that works the same way?

Jerrac
June 14th, 2005, 03:16 AM
Eh, decided I should post my question in a better forum. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=211761#post211761

:|

Jerrac
June 27th, 2005, 04:48 AM
Well, it is complete! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5213277267 Anyone want to buy it? :D

Jerrac
June 27th, 2005, 05:00 AM
Eh, the link won't work until tomorrow... *is embarrased*

Skel
July 21st, 2005, 10:34 PM
If i had that kidna money i would probably buy it but I dont :P looks awesome tho "drools"

Jerrac
July 22nd, 2005, 01:27 AM
If i had that kidna money i would probably buy it but I dont :P looks awesome tho "drools"
Heh, you have 750+shipping? That would recupe the cost of building it... It didn't sell the first time I listed it, and it didn't sell the second time. So....

Skel
July 22nd, 2005, 05:09 PM
sorry i wish i could... thinking about getting a JOB :???: ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) That gonna suck then maybe i would have money :/

maybe jerrac if ya didnt put it under "linux Computer" and ya just put it under No~OS Computer ya could get a bid b/c it looks like a decent pc for the money Linux Scraes Noobs :razz:

Jerrac
July 29th, 2005, 12:13 AM
I relisted it one last time. With a few modificatins. :D

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5223910392&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

ProNoblem
July 29th, 2005, 12:51 AM
You've made a small mistake in your ad, nothing serious though


Operating system: Ubuntu Linux (See left)
I think that should be "See right" :)

And why don't you name the brands of the HDD and DVD burner?
If I was a US resident and had the money, I would buy it, looks like a good PC to me

Good luck selling !

moopere
July 29th, 2005, 10:35 AM
Heh, you have 750+shipping? That would recupe the cost of building it... It didn't sell the first time I listed it, and it didn't sell the second time. So....

I don't want to rain on anyones parade, and I'm certainly not having a go at anyone for trying to run a business or 'do the right thing' by on selling PC's with Linux installed, however, a few comments:

The PC we've been talking about in the last few posts is on ebay for around US$650.00.....to me, thats AU$900ish (australian). As a point of referrence, I can get a Dell with similar (but not the same) specs for around AU$1200 (US$840ish), difference is that the Dell has 12 months warranty, a flat screen, mouse, keyboard, printer, Windows XPhome, Floppy drive etc etc etc.

I don't want to enter into which PC might be "better", Dells are known as being low end, and the few specs I see on the whitebox system is also low end (MSI motherboard and other 'no name' brands - corsair memory and codegen case excepted). Having no brand listed for hard drive or DVD burner doesn't help.


Its a tough game trying to sell PC's - I know, I do it, and I sell whiteboxes. You've really got to know what you want when trying to do it. _Why_ are you trying to sell the PC? To make money sure, but how much money is enough to make it worth your while, how many will you sell, what warranty can/will you offer, after sales support? Etc etc etc.

You won't be able to beat Dell (and similar) at their own game, you just won't. You won't get the parts or a copy of Windows cheap enough unless you're selling ten thousand boxes a month.

If you are prepared to accept that you won't be able to beat the big players on price you have to offer a niche service/system that the big boys themselves can't compete on. By choosing Linux as the installed OS you're targetting geeks or families that know geeks, no one else is going to know or care that you _can_ install Windows on the box, only that when they get home Windows won't be on it.

So, if you're market is already restricted to geeks, give the geeks something that they will actually buy. Brand names are important, use them to full advantage - make sure you list them so that Linux buying shoppers can check your hardware against compatability with Linux.

Price is important to everyone, but as we can't beat Dell anyway, don't let it drive your systems specs. Give the Geek a good system with brand names he'll know and trust - you can't get this from HP, Dell or IBM - ever bought a Dell with an Intel motherboard, Nvidia graphics, Corsair or mushkin memory and a soundblaster card (not compatible, an actual soundblaster?), no, I didn't think so.

Lastly, once you've convinced yourself that you still want to try and make a few dollars at this game, go and take a good hard look at the retail aspects of commercial law applicable to your area. Where I live you can't sell anything 'without warranty', its quite simply illegal, even saying so is an illegal act (though auctions are the _only_ exception to this rule, hehe).

Make sure that this is not so where you live or you'll be getting a visit from your local law officers (smile).

Good luck with the business, I sound like I'm giving you a hard time but I'm really trying to do nothing but give you a friendly heads-up.

Best regards,
Craig

Skel
August 14th, 2005, 04:52 PM
i guess your gonna have to keep it seems noone bought it on ebay :?

Jerrac
August 14th, 2005, 10:04 PM
i guess your gonna have to keep it seems noone bought it on ebay :?
Yeah... Though I am still going to try and sell it once I get down to college. If no one buys it there after a while, I will keep it. :D Which I kinda want to do anyway....

Skel
August 15th, 2005, 12:33 AM
hahaha funny how things work out :razz: